21 thoughts on “Ordinary World for 13 Oct 2018

  1. Re3: I wonder how much the benefit depends upon how the religion or spirituality is presented? Is there a difference between R/S as peace/zen vs fire and brimstone and wrathful?Report

    1. It’s a great question, and I think that starts getting into overall environment as much as religious upbringing. Fire and brimstone would probably be a part of a very strict household, where religious things like prayer for example are probably more regimented in nature. A more new age/eastern type zen home would be pre-disposed to quiet and calm and meditation anyway.Report

  2. Re1: I still have strong problems with the ideas of blue laws because I think they inevitably enshrine a Christian concept. Blue laws are almost always on a Sunday.

    Observant Jews are not supposed to carry cash at all on Saturdays or shop. So how are they suppose to get their errands done?

    The assumption of Lyman Stone is also around everyone being married with children. What about unmarried people want to get brunch with friends? Or go to a movie? Or a sporting event?

    I am all for giving everyone a four day work week because it is civilized and relaxing. I am not for a concept of blue laws where everything just convienently shuts down on the Christian sabbath and conservatives do backflips to justify how this isn’t religiously motivated.Report

    1. While I like the idea of protection from constant work, I cannot support “blue laws” as codified law. Your example of our Jewish friends observing Sabbath is a good one, Muslims have their Friday prayers, and the list could go on.

      The other reality here is the concept of “work week” is itself changing. If you work from home or do things online, an ever growing segment of the workforce, you can practically work whenever.Report

      1. I would use a darker word than whenever.

        I also support protection from constant work. Three day weekends are civilized.

        The non retreat of the work week is an interesting sociological and anthropological. question.Report

          1. I like working fewer hours every day than having days off. I space a 35-50 hour work week over 7 days, work about 360 days a year and prefer things that way. When I don’t have a schedule I tend to get nothing done. It feels too “day off of school-y” to me.Report

      2. And I think “practically work whenever” is a problem, because in practice it fast becomes “practically work all the time.”

        I have had to insert a clause in my syllabi for students telling them that if they e-mail me after four or five p.m. they should not expect a response before 7 or 8 a.m. the next day because I will not stay up all night checking my e-mail (I have heard tell some online school EXPECT their instructors to check e-mail overnight.

        Similarly, I tell them I am not regularly in on weekends – either it is my day for doing fieldwork (my own research) or a day for things like running errands. And I try very hard not to work on Sundays – was raised and currently am Christian but in a larger sense I think it is not good for a person to work seven days in a week. I realize that comes from a position of privilege but I wish everyone could have one solid day off a week, whether Sunday, Saturday, Friday, or whatever day they choose.Report

  3. Re1: Besides what Saul said, most people don’t want their time off from work to be devoted to Sabbath levels of observance. We are much too secular for that. What people want is to have a good time. A total commerce ban will prevent this for many people. Even when Blue Laws were at their height, there were debates about whether people should be allowed to pursue cultural or leisure activities during Sunday since it was there only day off. Many advocates of Blue Laws said no because they wanted people in church, not at an art museum, watching a movie, or playing golf.

    Ev3: We are always going to have people that want to totally transform human life. Many people are really not consumerist/materialist, think that what most people want are bad things, and don’t bring happiness. They believe life would be better in all aspects if people were more austere in how they lived.Report

    1. Re1 wsnt just went through a round of debate on such laws here, as the legislature pushed through the “Brunch Bill” allowing alchohol yo he serve in restaurants for Sunday morning service despite still not being able to buy it in a store until 12pm Sunday. Even though I dont drink this is annoying when I need wine for what usually is a large Sunday supper or to cook with Report

      1. What would work better is a guaranteed two days off from work a week, one of which has to be a Saturday or Sunday and guaranteed mandatory vacations like they have in every other country. Plus some of our federal holidays should be real holidays for more people. People can do what they will with their time off.Report

        1. Personally my favorite shift work that I have done was working 4 and 3 12s. Had the added bonus of being in Europe at the time so lots of ground that can be covered with constant 3 day weekends. Expanding that to a national level would have many practical, and legal, hinderances though and I’m not sure I would advocate for it.Report

  4. I really enjoyed the archived pieces again Andrew! There’s so much good stuff on here it’s nice to get a chance to read some of it. Much appreciated (and to Vikram and Saul too)Report

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