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Remembering Susan Collins
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The Turning of the Narrative
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Protecting Workers Is How We Protect the Economy
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Howard County Maryland and the Devil in the Religious Service Details
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Clare Briggs
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Minnesota Burning
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AvatarPhilip H
+ Susan Collins did a lot of good as a Senator and we must remember this. However, we also must remember that when it counted, [. . .]
AvatarInMD in reply to Dark Matter

It's definitely counter-productive. The only building where I think destruction was justified was the precinct.

AvatarDark Matter in reply to LeeEsq
+ Rosewood. Also burning down the economic infrastructure of your own community seems unlikely to create jobs/wealth/money/opportunity and much more likely to destroy those things. Looking up the [. . .]
AvatarLeeEsq in reply to veronica d
+ MLK might have said that "a riot is the language of the unheard" but he was also very apprehensive about them and believed they can [. . .]
Avatarveronica d in reply to Jaybird

Currently unconfirmed.

I would be very unsurprised if the person in question was a cop, but there is no confirmation that it is that particular guy.

AvatarDavidTC in reply to Dark Matter
+ Amazon offers reasonable benefits to _actual_ employees....who work in the hellish nightmare that is their company. However, from what I have understood, a lot of employees [. . .]
Avatargreginak in reply to Stillwater

And it somehow gets even more revolting.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/1266237702208282624

Avatargreginak in reply to Stillwater

Amoral degenerate with twitter throwing gas on the fire because how can he not.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1266232685686480897/photo/1

AvatarStillwater in reply to greginak

People cooped up, unemployment sky high, slow burn anger at cops and courts, an insane amoral degenerate in the WH...

Avatargreginak in reply to Stillwater
+ Yup. A precinct on fire, lots of wild allegations, more riots. Not seeing any of the pols with the ability to chill things. Every bit [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to greginak

I don't know how to do that cool Tweet-linky thing, but check this out.

https://twitter.com/Seth_Kaplan/status/1266214898171772930

Alsotoo, 500 MN National Guard are rolling into the area.

Avatargreginak
+ FFS 2020 is managing to suck and blow in every way possible. The tin pot authoritarian bs from on high can't even crack a medal [. . .]
AvatarStillwater
+ 400 Years of Anger’: Minneapolis Police Station Set Ablaze During Protest Protesters demanding action over the death of 46-year-old George Floyd took over the Minneapolis [. . .]

Would you say you regularly use this level of skepticism or is it a level of skepticism you only bring out on occasion?

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Stillwater
+ It could be that Floyd and the cop were putting on a show to keep Floyd from getting burned as an informant. If the [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Jaybird
+ Oh, oh, I think I figured it out. The prosecutor said there was evidence exonerating the cop. This is it. He was friends with Floyd, [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Stillwater
+ That's not what I said. I said I have no way of independently assessing the study and I still don't. Because, y'know, I'm not a sociologist [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Jaybird

Some of those who work forces
Are the same that start riots

AvatarOscar Gordon in reply to InMD
+ Yep. Police use more force with minorities not because of capital 'R'acism, but because dark skinned minorities are least likely to file complaints that have a [. . .]
+ And apparently the two knew each other: #BREAKING: George Floyd & Police Officer Allegedly Responsible For His Death Knew Each Other & Worked Together, Report Says [. . .]
+ Confirmation? HOLY SHIT. The cop who started the vandalizing was outted by people who know him. His name is Jacob Pederson of the St. Paul PD. [. . .]
+ It's nuts. You'd think that something as simple as a "of course we'll do *EVERYTHING* in our power to make sure that justice is served!" Then [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Jaybird
+ The amazing part about this, and I'm being dead serious here, is that leaving the obvious criminality of the cop's actions aside, this prosecutor* is [. . .]
AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Chip Daniels
+ You have to read between the lines of his statement. "You think the rioting and outrage is bad now? Well hold my beer!" Is keeping a knee [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
+ This demonstrates how structural injustice is always perpetuated by individuals making choices. This prosecutor has the power to prosecute, or not. He isn't constrained by capitalism, [. . .]
+ It's like jury nullification, but before you even get to the grand jury part. NEW: Minnesota prosecutor says video showing George Floyd's death is "terrible" but [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter
+ History IS anecdotes. Seriously, talk to any historian or social scientist and they will tell you that any history is partly statistical analysis, combined with personal [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Swami
+ No, you haven't even begun to explain the wild disparity between the millions of eyewitness testimony and your statistics. Millions of white people report that police [. . .]
AvatarAaron David in reply to InMD

I'll sign on to this 100%.

AvatarCJColucci in reply to Jaybird
+ I do not watch the television but have we tilted from “trust the system, here’s a TV show about prosecutors” to “the system doesn’t always [. . .]
AvatarSwami in reply to Chip Daniels
+ There is actually a term for the phenomenon, but I can’t think of it right now. When something is commonplace it is often ignored as [. . .]
AvatarInMD in reply to Aaron David
+ The only answer is a consistent, principled adherence to due process and respectful treatment of all citizens, no excuses, end of story, and serious consequences [. . .]
AvatarAaron David in reply to Oscar Gordon
+ One issue with tying this to a racial angle, rightly or wrongly, is that racism has become a red/blue polarized issue. And while I might [. . .]
Avatargreginak in reply to Stillwater
+ Seems like a good study to me. Police unions are a problem. What seems lost in all these discussions is all the other things that [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Jaybird

Yes, right. I forgot about that little quirk.

AvatarAaron David in reply to Stillwater

God, you used to be such an interesting commentor.

So sad.

AvatarKazzy in reply to DensityDuck
+ Did you read your own link? The first two paragraphs: Robert LaVoy Finicum (January 27, 1961 – January 26, 2016) was an American spokesman for the militia [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Jaybird
+ That was an interesting thread/discussion. My favorite part was when Chip said he hasn't seen any evidence that cop unions cause are correlated with corruption [. . .]

Did you edit something? (I can normally include multiple links without incident...)

If you want to see one of the times we've discussed Police Unions, you can do so here.

AvatarStillwater in reply to Aaron David

So the perspective of the rioters isn't equally valid?

AvatarStillwater in reply to Stillwater

Two links trips the moderation wire?

AvatarAaron David in reply to Stillwater

Yes I do remember writing that, because it is true.

That is not analogous to this.

If you cannot understantd that, I cannot help you.

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Oscar Gordon
+ It sounds like you've given up on convincing Elena Balan, the lone hypothetical adult on the Internet who would respond with "Oh? You say [. . .]