Ordinary World for 13 Oct 2018

Andrew Donaldson

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website Yonder and Home.

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  1. Avatar Oscar Gordon says:

    Re3: I wonder how much the benefit depends upon how the religion or spirituality is presented? Is there a difference between R/S as peace/zen vs fire and brimstone and wrathful?Report

    • It’s a great question, and I think that starts getting into overall environment as much as religious upbringing. Fire and brimstone would probably be a part of a very strict household, where religious things like prayer for example are probably more regimented in nature. A more new age/eastern type zen home would be pre-disposed to quiet and calm and meditation anyway.Report

  2. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Re1: I still have strong problems with the ideas of blue laws because I think they inevitably enshrine a Christian concept. Blue laws are almost always on a Sunday.

    Observant Jews are not supposed to carry cash at all on Saturdays or shop. So how are they suppose to get their errands done?

    The assumption of Lyman Stone is also around everyone being married with children. What about unmarried people want to get brunch with friends? Or go to a movie? Or a sporting event?

    I am all for giving everyone a four day work week because it is civilized and relaxing. I am not for a concept of blue laws where everything just convienently shuts down on the Christian sabbath and conservatives do backflips to justify how this isn’t religiously motivated.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Can’t we just get rid of “observant” in general? Everybody’s happy!Report

    • While I like the idea of protection from constant work, I cannot support “blue laws” as codified law. Your example of our Jewish friends observing Sabbath is a good one, Muslims have their Friday prayers, and the list could go on.

      The other reality here is the concept of “work week” is itself changing. If you work from home or do things online, an ever growing segment of the workforce, you can practically work whenever.Report

      • Avatar Saul Degraw in reply to Andrew Donaldson says:

        I would use a darker word than whenever.

        I also support protection from constant work. Three day weekends are civilized.

        The non retreat of the work week is an interesting sociological and anthropological. question.Report

      • And I think “practically work whenever” is a problem, because in practice it fast becomes “practically work all the time.”

        I have had to insert a clause in my syllabi for students telling them that if they e-mail me after four or five p.m. they should not expect a response before 7 or 8 a.m. the next day because I will not stay up all night checking my e-mail (I have heard tell some online school EXPECT their instructors to check e-mail overnight.

        Similarly, I tell them I am not regularly in on weekends – either it is my day for doing fieldwork (my own research) or a day for things like running errands. And I try very hard not to work on Sundays – was raised and currently am Christian but in a larger sense I think it is not good for a person to work seven days in a week. I realize that comes from a position of privilege but I wish everyone could have one solid day off a week, whether Sunday, Saturday, Friday, or whatever day they choose.Report

    • Is Stone actually suggesting people stop attending NFL games?Report

  3. Avatar LeeEsq says:

    Re1: Besides what Saul said, most people don’t want their time off from work to be devoted to Sabbath levels of observance. We are much too secular for that. What people want is to have a good time. A total commerce ban will prevent this for many people. Even when Blue Laws were at their height, there were debates about whether people should be allowed to pursue cultural or leisure activities during Sunday since it was there only day off. Many advocates of Blue Laws said no because they wanted people in church, not at an art museum, watching a movie, or playing golf.

    Ev3: We are always going to have people that want to totally transform human life. Many people are really not consumerist/materialist, think that what most people want are bad things, and don’t bring happiness. They believe life would be better in all aspects if people were more austere in how they lived.Report

  4. Avatar atomickristin says:

    I really enjoyed the archived pieces again Andrew! There’s so much good stuff on here it’s nice to get a chance to read some of it. Much appreciated (and to Vikram and Saul too)Report