Put Away Childish Things
In Mexico, there lives a salamander that never grows up. It’s called an axolotl.
Somehow those clever axolotls found a way to become sexually mature and even reproduce without ever entering adulthood. Axolotls retain their childish characteristics even at older ages. The scientific word for this is “neoteny”.
Some people say humans are simply neotenous apes. This is because we retain a lot of childlike features and behaviors into adulthood – adult human faces more closely resemble baby chimps and gorillas than the mature specimens – and indeed we may be somewhat (or in my case, totally) programmed to prefer the faces of babies to those of adults.
One of the most prevalent childlike behaviors our neotenous apes retain into matury is the desire to play. Other animals play into adulthood too, of course – dangle a piece of yarn before the most dignified and elegant cat and it will return to kittenhood posthaste – but humans have elevated adult play to an art form.
This tendency to play in adulthood, some would say, has possibly run amok in modern America. We’re obsessed with sports, with comics, with video games. Some adults continue collecting toys and building Lego models into adulthood. YA books (young adult, tailored towards older teens) are more popular than ever before – even among adults.
Being an adult has become “Adulting”…not something you are, but an artificial behavior, like a costume we don when we have to be mature or responsible.
Is this a problem or is it all in good fun?
In the interest of full disclosure, I am a big kid at heart. I still like superheroes and spaceships and everything kawaii and playing games both video and board. I have a massive collection of children’s books I refuse to part with, and this is only in very small part due to my having children. I don’t see any appreciable difference between me enjoying those things and my parents joining clubs and going out to lunch with their friends and playing bridge, things they always found interesting and important that seem fairly immature to me. So on the one hand I do think being playful and childlike into adulthood, is harmless, even desirable, and is absolutely nothing new.
On the other, even I, roving axolotl, must admit that our whole culture seems just a little TOO caught up in childish pursuits. Some days it feels like the whole world is made up of kids wearing their parents’ clothes and as soon as the adults’ heads are turned everyone whips out their phones and starts playing Fortnight. But things matter – actual things actually matter. Real things, not games, not playing pretend. There is real work to be done in the world – not only in our own lives, but for the betterment of the world around us – and spending endless hours masquerading as Donkey Kong doing the “work” of collecting coconuts seems kind of wasteful sometimes.
I sometimes worry that in spending so much time perfecting the art of childhood, we are losing the ability to be adults. Like, it’s withering away from disuse or something. Some of you may recall I wrote a bit about the Ballad of Buster Scruggs, which is among the more grown-up movies I recall seeing in a very long time. One of the weirder headlines I encountered when researching the movie was Harry Potter Fans Will Squeal When They See Who is in Buster Scruggs!!!!!! Someone clearly assumed the only way to get younger people to watch a movie with serious themes was to equate it giddily to something they recalled from their youths. (ps – it was dudley)
By being immersed in the joys of the nursery, have we lost our ability to leave it? Are we losing the ability to be adult salamanders and turning into perpetual axolotls?
Films where a young person faces off against their elders who just don’t understand their refusal to grow up, abound. The Little Mermaid is about a mermaid who prefers collecting trinkets to growing up and taking on her very important mermaid responsibilities. In Dead Poets Society, a teenager actually commits suicide because his dad doesn’t want him to be an actor, and it’s kind of painted as a necessary, even heroic choice. Seize the day, I guess, or something.
My favorite example of the phenomenon is Bend It Like Beckham, in which a young Punjabi woman argues with her parents over her continued desire to play soccer as an adult. Her parents saw soccer as a game, and games are for children, not adults. (This trailer makes it out like their parental concerns were solely due to her being a girl. While that was a part of it, it really doesn’t represent the movie accurately.)
Maybe it was because I was raising semi-recalcitrant teenagers myself then, but that was the first time it hit me – maybe we really DO have a problem with growing up. Because soccer IS a just a game. What really matters to most humans throughout time is marriage, family, making a living, helping others, making the world a better place in some way. (even if you don’t personally see value in some of these things, it’s simply a fact that historically speaking that has been the working definition of human adulthood). And while I wasn’t necessarily taking the parents’ side in BILB – after all, in this day and age soccer can be a legitimate way to make a living, even a good living – looking at it from a parents’ perspective, it did seem a little odd for a grown adult to be so passionate about what is essentially a child’s pursuit.
Growing up is normal. Becoming an adult is what human children are meant to do.
Playing a game your whole life IS actually kind of strange. Keep that in mind as you check out this trailer for Whip It.
She is IN LOVE with this! (“This” is rolling around on wheels smashing into people.) Her decision to lie about taking an SAT class to impress her stodgy old parents is presented as heroic and necessary to her happiness, just as suicide was presented as such in Dead Poets Society. Excelling at the roller derby was presented as a better option to having a boyfriend – perhaps rightfully, but then again up until quite recently, growing up, getting married, and settling down was de rigeur for most human adults. (again, whether you want to quibble about marriage and childbearing as being “necessary”, we’re talking about axolotls here and sexual maturity entails breeding – it’s true for all other species and so in a discussion of humans and biological maturity, it seems reasonable to use reproduction as a metric.)
Now, there’s certainly some truth in the message of Whip It. The protagonist’s boyfriend may not have been an entirely good guy and her parents were a bit overbearing (albeit well-meaning, in the same way the protagonist’s parents in BILB and the parents in DPS were well-meaning…genuinely concerned over their child’s adult life, just with a different idea of how best to go about ensuring future success and happiness). But at the same time, isn’t it just a bit WEIRD? Things like school achievement, pleasing your family, finding love, playing second (or even third or fourth) fiddle to a game?
Becoming a human adult, remember, is what human children are meant to do. Becoming an adult involves a particular set of behaviors and the primary message of Whip It, Bend It Like Beckham, and similar fare seems to be that the best way to find fulfillment in life is by rejecting the arc that billions of humans and human ancestors have taken since time began. We are told it’s better to remain an axolotol in perpetuity, getting really good at something that’s like, so super fun or whatever, while all other more mundane pursuits fade away into the background.
It’s a compelling message. Who doesn’t want to do the thing they like best forever and ever?
The problem is, we can look at the situation of Jess in BILB and say “yes but she had a viable path forward to a profitable life as a pro soccer player or at least at the collegiate level while she pursued her education.” It made some sense for Jess to push onward with soccer over her parents’ objections. She could end up as a professional soccer player, certainly could pursue her education while playing soccer at university in America. But for Bliss, playing roller derby in Whip It? Roller derby takes money, it doesn’t earn you money. Roller derby takes massive amounts of time and is physically punishing. It is not a path forward in life.
And what of the people who spend thousands of dollars on action figures or video games? Yes, there are a handful of people who end up making gross amounts of money filming YouTube videos about gaming like Pewdiepie or from buying and selling action figures but they are the exception, and not the rule. “Do what you love and the money will follow” only works if there aren’t 10 million other people also doing what you love and expecting to make money at it.
Unfun fact – a lot of the childish pursuits we cling to are not viable adult lifestyles. They’re borderline dysfunctional for a good number of us. People stay up half the night collecting coconuts as Donkey Kong and then show up to work/school – their real, actual work – exhausted and bleary-eyed. People postpone marriage and family indefinitely in favor of playing the field (again, argue if you must, but it’s called “playing” for a reason) and end up alone. People immerse themselves in the good-evil, black-white morality of superheroes and never have to wrangle with all the shades of gray that exist in the real world. People give a like or a share to a virtue-signaling cause instead of actually lifting a finger to help others and think they’ve done something to help save the world…but it’s no more real than collecting imaginary coconuts.
I’m just saying we spend an awful lot of energy playing that we’re doing things instead of actually doing them, and I say this as a person who once wrote 28 pages about a magic couch that eats people.
The inclination is to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the young. “They’re spoiled, lazy, immature; they want things easy instead of embracing the struggle of adulthood.” And that may be part of the equation; certainly no one will take a harder road if they don’t absolutely have to.
But I am of the opinion that many of us have stuck with childish pursuits because the adults of the past couple generations failed to properly pass the baton.
For starters, it’s glaringly obvious that childhood has become a fairly sweet gig compared to what it’s been in the past. I was flabbergasted when my half-sister, 11 years younger than me, rented a limo for her graduation from MIDDLE SCHOOL and all the parents (including my mother, who would have never in a million years allowed me to do such a thing because it wasn’t necessary and it was like she had become a pod person or something) were like “oh it’s so wonderfully special for them!” My other half-sister, 13 years younger, went to constant camps and to concerts and sporting events and activities. And of course, despite being horribly deprived compared to my half-siblings, I myself had many more happyfuntime opportunities than my parents, who had way more than theirs.
At some point, childhood, for a whole awful lot of us, became a pretty nice place overall.
If childhood is that wonderfully special, why ever leave it? If you start off life in a happy land where all your needs are met effortlessly and all but your wildest dreams are made reality, the only direction from there is down. What is adulthood, really, except a terrible place much less good than childhood was for a lot of people? If kids have all the same opportunities as adults, if 14 year olds can rent a limousine for cripes’ sake, why would anyone ever want to grow up? If growing up simply entails having LESS stuff…having to give up your Captain America jammies, for example, what possible motivation would anyone have for embracing adulthood?
But that’s really more applicable to the Millennials. For those of us in Gen X, I’ll admit it stung a bit, being the neglected first child from that failed marriage that everyone would prefer to forget, watching the kids only a decade or so younger than us showered with limo rides to space camp while we took the city bus and watched heavily edited reruns of Banana Splits – edited to fit in more Ronco commercials, naturally – during summer vacation. It’s probably equally understandable that we glommed onto childish things; we never got them when we were children ourselves.
At the same time the gr-ups were making childhood Disneyland, the generation ahead of us made venerating youth and rejecting the wisdom of elders a cottage industry. Many born after WWII grew up hearing “don’t trust anyone over 30” and “hope I die before I get old” as rules to live by. That we would all eventually be over 30 and then get old didn’t seem to occur to people.
Those are definitely pieces of the puzzle, but you know what I think the primary reason is? Why so many of us axolotls still love Star Wars and Star Trek and the world of Harry Potter and the torrid affairs of Little Ponies instead of growing up and getting all serious and picking up Don DeLillo as serious adult salamanders ought to do?
I think it’s in no small part because a real whole lot of the stuff we’ve been handed in our adulthood, has sucked. It’s sucked in myriad ways that are beyond the scope of this piece, but there’s one specific element that keeps coming up again and again and again, that puts me off above all else. I tweeted about it recently.
What has put me off “serious” culture is that right there. Not only the terrible pretentiousness, but that so much of what was presented to me as culturally important has been terribly pretentious in all the same way, so it’s also dreadfully dull.
A stunning number of the movies and literature of the recent past have been harping on the same darn theme – a very, very, very smart boy, smarter than the other boys, and his penis, who is also surprisingly intellectual, and how they struggle for recognition and adoration from their parental units and society as a whole even though women are insipid and disappointing and men’s precious penises deserve much much more, hopefully they can find it before they die.
This is what passes for grown up entertainment, for my whole entire lifetime. And I am not young, people.
While I did have some pushback, for the most part my hypothesis resonated with people:
Regardless of your opinion on penises – and I got nothin’ against ‘em – IT’S BORING.
Some people probably think I’m not being totally fair to men here, and they’re right; there are also some works of fiction about being a Baby Boomer and some about women being oppressed and abused and some where smart people who think they’re right take delight in how much smarter and righter they are than their parents’ generation. Or in other words, about being a Baby Boomer. But it’s mostly penises.
Don’t get me wrong, some of these movies and books are fricking spectacular. Many of them completely deserve their place in the highest echelon of American literature. But at the same time, for a whole lot of us, adulthood has been represented via fiction as a fairly unpleasant place full of self-indulgent people who really don’t offer much in the way of hope or insight because they’re so intent on staring directly into their own navels that they can’t see anything else.
Forgive me if I prefer Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
I simply don’t see myself, Axolotl-At-Large, represented in modern fiction. I don’t see my husband, my friends, my children, my grandparents. I don’t even see my parents, who like most of their age cohort embraced their generational stereotype as personal ethos – even the people who should be there, aren’t there. I don’t see themes I care about or experiences that I relate to. What I do see is a plethora of one-dimensional caricatures enacting the same handful of storylines whilst I’m breathlessly told by those who claim to know these things that there’s meat on what appears to me to be to be little more than dry, picked over bones.
And I think, well, if that’s what being an adult salamander is all about, maybe I’ll keep on being an axolotl.
Is it any wonder given the choice between a dark and depressing and dull tale of angst and woe and sexual malaise featuring an untrue representation of reality, and something we enjoy, that many of us choose the latter?
The fundamental mistake of those who roll their eyes at chronically immature axolotls is this – they think it’s all fun and games for us. They think that superhero movies and cartoons are the literary equivalent of high fructose corn syrup – and in some cases, ok, I’ll grant them that. But the truth is, most of these stories are about something, something that we aren’t getting from allegedly grown-up works of fiction. They are about things that are true and meaningful to a whole lot of us. They’re the only thing we can find that isn’t all sad penises and abused women and beloved Baby Boomer icons.
This is why we axolotls stick with kids’ shows and YA novels and superheroes. It’s because the subject matter resonates with us way way more than whatever-that-is in Portnoy’s Complaint.
As most of you know by now, I not only love superheroes and sci-fi and slaying vampires, but I also love cartoons. I love things like Samurai Jack, Avatar: the Last Airbender, Spongebob Squarepants, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Samurai Jack and Avatar feature storytelling that is magnificent and uplifting (not to mention the art is glorious). There is truth in Spongebob – about people, about self-acceptance, about the workplace – the likes of which I’ve never seen reflected in more grown-up fare. I have often thought that if I was a thief I could slightly rewrite the plots of My Little Pony without the magical stuff and have the greatest, most female-friendly sitcom of all time because the plotlines and characterizations in MLP are spot on-relatable for me.
One of my favorite books of all time is A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a coming-of-age story about a girl and her mother, how strong they are and why they have to be so strong. It isn’t about a man’s idealized imagination and how he’s disappointed in a series of women for no particular reason, it’s about women being disappointed in a man for very good reasons. (there’s a man bites dog story for ya.) ATGIB is about poverty and alcoholism and the American Dream and gender differences and human endurance and human weakness. This is not a “junior novel”; in fact it was deemed so inspirational that the Army had copies of it printed and shipped to soldiers overseas during WWII.
You can even make a case for ATGIB being the Great American Novel or at least deserving of a spot in the pantheon of the Greatest. Likewise Where the Red Fern Grows, The Yearling, Little Women, Old Yeller, Little House on the Prairie, Charlotte’s Web, and many other so-called “kiddie lit” classics.
Now, you may say that these books are far more literary than Harry Potter and I’d wholeheartedly agree. If you’re reading this piece and you love Harry Potter but have never read ATGIB or WTRFG in particular, I strongly recommend you read them (the others too, but especially those two). But even newer, more pop-culturally-beloved books such as The Hunger Games and The Golden Compass have hefty themes. The Hunger Games offers scathing insight into modern culture and social class and is far more effective at holding a mirror up to America and showing us what’s there than many similarly-themed adult books. And even though I don’t personally care for The Golden Compass it’s a veritable smorgasbord of themes any of which are more interesting to me, your friendly neighborhood axolotl, than the sexual hijinks and nostalgic remembrances of middle aged, upper middle class intellectual men.
Belittle them if you like, but young adult novels can be about something, about things that are real and true. YA novels can discuss topics and concepts that in books for adults often get lost behind the same old, same old subject matter that’s plagued literature my whole-entire-life.
Now, it’s possibly true that in olden times people were too sexually repressed and we needed the Sexual Revolution and all the literature that came out of that time, to combat some attitudes and assumptions that were preventing people from being fulfilled. Possibly. But as is so often the case with revolutions, the revolution maybe became the end itself rather than a means to an end. As the French Revolution had the Reign of Terror, the Sexual Revolution had its own excesses, many of which we’re wrangling with right now. People temporarily forgot that there were things in this world aside from sex – a lot of things, and that these things were just as worthy of reflecting upon as the needs of ones’ genitalia. But people never forgot that in the world of YA literature, probably because plotlines where men actually turn into boobs are generally frowned upon in books for children, so they had to actually, you know, think of some other stuff to write about.
There’s a deep irony to me in people telling me to put away childish things and come join the world of adults in which everything is sex, sex, sex, all the time. Because to me that’s about the pinnacle of IMmaturity, IMO.
I was in the 8th grade already, thanks.
At such a point in time that grown-up fiction wants to actually, you know, GROW UP and stop taking the “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours, but I’ll undoubtedly find it disappointing” storyline as sacrosanct and inviolable, hey, then I might find something there to enjoy. Maybe I’ll have a compelling reason to stop watching cartoons and reading coming-of-age stories.
Until that happens, I’m gonna remain an axolotl.
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My sense of it is: what do you do “in the clutch”? What do you do when there’s an emergency at work, a death in the family, a budget crisis?
Some people flake totally on everything. They say they’ll do whatever they’re supposed to to take care of the emergency at work, but then they don’t do it. And they sometimes lie about it. I’ve seen families (NOT MY OWN) where when a member was grieving, other close relatives “ghosted” on them. And I’ve seen people incapable of being responsible about money.
That’s being childish.
I’ve become MUCH more unapologetic and open about traveling with a favorite stuffed animal to sleep holding crushed to my chest in recent months. Because I’ve come to realize: I’m pretty damn good at being an adult out in the world. I survived a major budget crisis at work and kept a smile on my face and kept helping my students even when both they and I knew I was being paid 1/3 of what I normally made one summer. I made some hard decisions after my dad died when my mom was too overwhelmed by other decisions she had to make. I’ve managed to live within a budget for the past 30 years.
So no one gets to tell me crap about liking “The Goonies” (which I just bought on dvd) or needing to watch cartoons instead of the news some times
One of the things the grief counselor pointed out to me yesterday afternoon, after talking to me for a while about what I was doing to cope and hearing my concerns: the things I was referring to as “distractions” (re-reading “The Hobbit” for about the thirtieth time, watching cartoons, going fabric shopping) are actually “breaks” – that I AM processing the grief, but humans need a break from the grinding quality of something like that from time to time.
I think it’s a spectrum: yes, I’m sure there are the people who stay up until 3 am playing Fortnight and aren’t functional at work later. But then there are people who spend a couple hours watching, yes, “My Little Pony” and who show up to work the next day *more* rested than maybe they would be if they watched what passes for grown-up fare these days….
I think the other thing is, a lot of us, we look at the world now and we see a nearly-literal dumpster fire. Huge fires in the Amazon and a circular-firing squad of passing-the-blame for who set them. World leaders who seem more interested in working out their own personal beefs with each other than the well being of the people they’re supposed to lead. Being told in a pre-semester meeting that fundamentally, if a shooter comes to campus, some of us will die, and maybe faculty be prepared to make the sacrifice to protect the students. Talk of recession, which would wipe out the retirement savings of those of us in Gen X who were privileged enough to HAVE retirement savings. It’s all terrible! And so I do take hot baths with fizzies in them, and think about what color I’m going to paint my toenails next, and spend time looking for amigurumi (crocheted toy animal) patterns online, and watch cartoons and work on my epic-but-totally-imagined mental story and check my Neko Atsume cats.
Because I’d go absolutely mad if I always had the awfulness of this world shoved in my face 24/7.
And I think in the 50s and earlier, grown-ups had OTHER coping strategies – they drank a lot, or they carried on affairs, or they ran off and played golf. Is watching cartoons *really* worse than downing three martinis most evenings in order to “cope”? I don’t think so.
(And sitcoms used to be funnier and nicer some years back – somehow, something you said, made me think “What if The Golden Girls, but with My Little Pony characters” and now I am so on-board for this I may have to find a random GG script online and try to rewrite it. And yeah, GG had more than its share of racy jokes, but it seemed different, somehow)Report
There is also absolutely that element of it, which I skipped over because I felt like others had mentioned it before. But yeah, I def. feel many days like I don’t particularly want to watch Saving Private Ryan or similar equivalent, KWIM? I just don’t have the emotional energy left to spare.
I should have very likely split this piece but I liked the overall theme.
ps – love your idea! 🙂 Fun!Report
YES so much about “I don’t have the emotional energy.” I usually use the shorthand of “spoons,” which I admit I stole from someone with a chronic physical illness (The Spoon Theory) about how you have limited reserves, and when they’re gone, they’re gone.
And right now, I have very few “spoons” for the fires (both literal and figurative) going on in the outside world; watching five minutes of world news makes me throw up my hands and say “that’s it, we’ll all be dead in six months, so what does anything matter any more?”
While I never have a high tolerance for news, it’s extra hard now with all the surprise crap I’m learning about how grief works. (We don’t talk about grief enough, or openly enough.) Most of my energy is focused on working through that and getting through the day at work and remembering to shower and feed myself and stuff. So if I can replenish my energy by watching “We Bare Bears” or whatever instead of “grown up” shows, I’m gonna do that.Report
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{Ed Note: Even if Tom Payne weren’t already a banned commenter, this one would have gotten him a nice suspension.}Report
lol…I have no idea what this ban was about, but I love the Editor’s note.Report
You had me for most of this piece until about the third act. I’m not on a Saul level disgruntlement with pop culture. I follow my local sports teams too much and watch too many dumb horror movies to claim to have totally jettisoned the cotton candy of youth. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t find a lot of it cringey, insipid, and over-indulgent.
But where this goes off the rails to me is when it turns into yet another defense of the merits of super heroes, YA literature, etc. which itself has become a genre of its own. I’m in the Xennial range so not a true Gen Xer but my parents are boomers and I agree that a sort of failure to pass the baton came out of the 60s. It’s something I often think about with my son, and how I can do a bit better, and how we all could do a bit better with the next generation.
I don’t want to criticize the essay you did write for the essay me, a random (and appreciative) reader for not being the essay you didn’t write but here’s the question I’d ask. How do you think we can do better? Because I feel like a defensive appreciation for Star Wars or whatever else isn’t going to pick up the baton and better pass it off. To me the correction you seem to be calling for requires considering those issues.Report
Yeah, if I’d had enough time I’d have split it into three pieces, because I already split it into two, gonna post the other on my blog shortly. I felt some (totally self-imposed) time pressure on this one and it shows, unfortunately. Big gear shift towards the end. Would have been better for a month of rumination, no doubt.
I’m not super interested in offering solutions. I’m a libertarian and that means that I believe when there’s a problem, eventually someone will come along and start fixing it, and I think we’re already seeing that happen with quite a few of the superhero shows really bringing the heat (S3 of Daredevil, and the newly released The Boys, for example). I’m just naming the problem as I see it, because I’m tired of everyone acting like people don’t want to grow up, when in reality they just don’t want to read/watch a certain type of show.
Thanks for reading.Report
The judge smiled. Men are born for games. Nothing else. Every child knows that play is nobler than work. He knows too that the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the skill and strength of the opponents and the humiliation of defeat and the pride of victory are in themselves sufficient stake because they inhere in the worth of the principals and define them. But trial of chance or trial of worth all games aspire to the condition of war for here that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.
Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player has labored clanking to this moment which will tell if he is to die at that man’s hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man’s worth could there be? This enhancement of the game to its ultimate state admits no argument concerning the notion of fate. The selection of one man over another is a preference absolute and irrevocable and it is a dull man indeed who could reckon so profound a decision without agency or significance either one. In such games as have for their stake the annihilation of the defeated the decisions are quite clear. This man holding this particular arrangement of cards in his hand is thereby removed from existence. This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one’s will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.
Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
The point of that is that games, and other so-called childish pursuits may have a place in the world of Adults and a very important one at that.Report
Nice. Thanks for reading and sharing.Report
Kristin Devine lays the trap for Saul. Let’s see if he takes the bate.
This essay went in.a way that I didn’t inspect. I forgot her name but a few years ago a female author made the same point of sorts in the New York Times. There is a lot of adult literature and media that ins’t about sex and it isn’t that hard to find. For instance The Republic: A Novel by Joost De Vries is about how modern society treats history as entertainment. Deep River by Karl Malantes is an old fashioned family saga. The man and his penis genre of literary fiction is not that prominent.
I do think that this essay does prove my point that when it comes to heterosexual romances/sex novels, both genders find the material aimed at the opposite gender to be highly annoying at best. My theory is that since romance/sex novels are fantasies of desire, the pissed off gender doesn’t like how the ideal partner of their own gender is depicted.Report
No trap intended; I started thinking about this post ages ago because I understand his reasoning, and I like to think about why things have evolved the way(s) that they have. This is what I’ve come up with that feels truest to me. Would welcome his thoughts and input but there is no adversarial intent whatsoever on my part, simply curiosity.
I was well aware upon writing that many commenters would have plenty of examples that don’t fit the bill, but it’s widespread enough that many of us find it offputting and as I’ve not ever heard anyone discuss it before (would love to read the NYT piece if it crosses your mind who wrote it) I thought it was worthy of discussion.
Thanks for reading.Report
I think the author who made that point was Jennifer Weiner. A. google search reveals that I’m right.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/01/13/written-off
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/11/opinion/the-snobs-and-me.htmlReport
Thanks! Reading the New Yorker piece now, will have to wait till my NYT resets as it’s behind a paywall.Report
huh-huh
“why modern literature is not all about penises”
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Jennifer Wiener…Report
{Ed Note: This is a good comment. If there were more coments like this we probably wouldn’t even know to check if they are someone who has already been banned. And by the time we noticed, maybe we wouldn’t care.}
> “Do what you love and the money will follow” only works if there aren’t 10 million other people also doing what you love and expecting to make money at it.
I know this wasn’t the raison d’etre of your piece, but this is a great point worthy of its own essay. People forget that you can’t repeal the laws of supply and demand, so occupations that seem like they are easy and fun quickly become “winner take all” with a skewed compensation structure.
Also, just because you enjoy an activity doesn’t necessarily mean you want to want it to consume your life. Even if you like sports, do you want to be forced to watch sports as your livelihood? If you work in college athletics because you love football and basketball, you are still going to give up almost every Saturday working a game. Plus there are other sports you might not enjoy like soccer and field hockey and baseball &c that still need coverage.Report
Great point. I’m actually fortunate to do something I really do love and it still burns you out after a while. That would def. be a great piece, thanks.Report
Hold on: there are people who don’t like baseball?Report
In Tom’s defense, college baseball is only tangentially related to actual baseball.Report
“Do what you love” goes both ways. If you can’t do what you love, then you can at least love what you do.Report
the rest of the piece explains it a little more, and I expanded on it in my blog: https://atomicfeminist.com/2019/08/24/on-glorious-bastards/Report
While I agree that “do what you love” doesn’t work terribly well as life advice, I can’t help but feel a little absolutism in your position here Kristen.
Now in the Dead Poets Society case we have someone wanting to act as a job, which is a career you want to have a back-up for at minimum. But why must soccer or Roller Derby be careers to be worth pursuing? My office (which is a government department, just as a reminder) participates in an inter-office soccer league, and I know of at least one person in the department who is involved in Roller Derby. I’ve worked with amateur actors, artists and musicians. I, of course, have my own hobbies, I spend much of my off-hours playing games of various sorts. I note that the Ellen Page character in Whip It was moving her work schedule around to play Roller Derby, not quitting her job. That isn’t a foolish youth pursing pleasure at the expense of responsibilities, it’s a young woman balancing her responsibilities in order to pursue something she enjoys – to become her own person instead of a reflection of her parents. Isn’t that an adult thing to do?
It strikes me as an essentially American idea that as adults we should do nothing but work until we fall over dead some day. An adult must meet their obligations of course, but many people can do that and pursue other things as well.Report
This is Saul bait.
Despite appearances on the Internet, I do not think all pop culture is evil or wrong. Marvel movies can be entertaining. I think you get it correct though when you discuss how fun and entertaining childhood is for many people. Adulthood is hard. You need to work, pay taxes, be responsible, etc.
But there does seem to be something really limiting in just sticking with childhood entertainment. There is also a cultural change. I think there used to be more importance placed on sophistication. It was cool to know about Truffaut and Goddard films and appreciate them. The modern pop culture fanatic insists that there is no such thing as liking anything deep or serious. People only pretend to like contemporary art, serious literature, jazz music, whatever to “appear cool and urbane.” The pop culture fanatic insists that deep down we all prefer being overly sugared diabetic ten-year olds full of squeeeee!
I can’t be the only person who thinks there is more freedom and interesting things in being an adult than a child.Report
You aren’t. A stop at McDonald’s now and again isn’t hurting anyone. But, while I try to be gentle about this opinion, I think fanatical commitment to childish things is a crutch, and a pernicious one at that.Report
Ha! I was just about to post “This is some grade-A Saul Bait” when your comment scrolled into view.Report
I think that the problem is that there is no limiting principle between “It was cool to know about Truffaut and Goddard films and appreciate them” and “that’s why Jeff Koons is a more important artist than Bob Ross.”
I think arty types could get away with saying something like “some art is the equivalent of cotton candy but the *GOOD* art is the equivalent of a steak”… if they didn’t have to then explain “Fountain”.Report
Jeff Koons is a hot mess. I think he has produced some legitimate contemporary art masterpieces like Bunny. He also produced some stuff that is really horrible and gives contemporary art a very bad name as merely being baubles for the very rich.
I will defend Bunny as a masterpiece until the day I die.Report
It’s certainly the most expensive piece of art ever produced.
I’m not certain it passes the dumpster test.Report
And I will defend Rob Ross as the 20th Century’s most underrated performance artist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DaVnriHhPcReport
So all this time he was a Russian spy.Report
This? Not exactly the hill I figured you fer dyin’ on… but whelp, I guess we all gotta die.Report
Mark my words: We’re going to find out that Koons was at the center of a huge international money-laundering ring.Report
Or it’s some kind of Uwe Boll thing where his whole deal was being a tax shelter for his buddies and somehow it turned into a career.Report
So a somewhat more minor, less international, money-laundering ring.Report
It would be kinda meta if the super rich invented their own currency such that they traded “rabbits” for favors and a whole slew of merely rich folks couldn’t even earn the necessary currency.Report
The Isle of Yap, but for rich people.Report
Have we checked the ownership of those stones recently?Report
so basically an invitation-only bitcoin
or, possibly, the “you can’t even buy these with dollars” bit from Snow CrashReport
Theoretically similar, but aesthetically inferior… the point isn’t the exchange, its the lack of exchange that makes is valuable.Report
I think it might be more accurate to say that the social circles where knowing about Truffaut and Goddard could get you cool points used to be wider. I’m not sure if arty feels were ever universally cool like Marvel movies.Report
Of course some artistic or cultural works are more substantial than others, and I agree that it is good to consume more substantial works. But I would caution you against assuming that genre fare in general is unsophisticated, or that being anointed by artistic gatekeepers implies something is deep.Report
This was a really good essay.
I know that part of my neoteny has to do with the fact that I don’t have kids. I’m perpetually in the “just got married/no kids yet” part of married life. My friends have kids graduating high school and, at my age, my parents were in the same boat. My grandparents were welcoming grandkids at this point in their lives.
For me, being “grown up” means “dealing with children becoming adults that can have children capable of becoming adults capable of helping children become adults that can have children capable of becoming adults that can have children capable of becoming adults ad infinitum” rather than “enjoys pinky-extended movies rather than ‘splodey ones”.Report
Part of that is steering your children towards the cultural equivalent of steak (or even kale) in addition to bacon-wrapped fried Snickers. Case in point:
My daughter and I just saw a local production of Pinafore, which completes the Big Three for us (I wrote about The Mikado here). I thought she’d been going mostly to humor me, but when they announced that their next show would be Princess Ida, starting around her next birthday, she told me that that was what she wanted for a present. A very proud moment.Report
Throwing this out there:
Being an adolescent is about what you consume. Being a grown-up is about what you produce.Report
“I know it can be hard to tell someone you care about things that will hurt them, but it’s important to be truthful. Otherwise, you’re like George Lucas reshooting that scene so that Han didn’t shoot first.”Report
I loved G&S more as a 13-15 year old than I have at any age since. (And that is as someone who *really really* loves their stuff, even the stuff that as an adult makes me wince a lot, both as a listener and as a musician.)
I think sometimes people have weird ideas of what people can just genuinely really enjoy at what age. Glad you’re making sure not to do that to your kid.Report
She’s 26 🙂Report
Hah! Well never mind then. (It’s still true that I loved G&S more as a 13-15 year old than at any age since.)Report
And I already raised a passel of kids and had to be so grown up before 18 that I’m honestly more of a refusenik than anything else at this point.
Want me to be your sidekick and help you be all adult and paternal and grandpaternal and etc, I’m 100 percent there. I will happily be the fun aunt or uncle or nonecle or whatever label you want your kids to slap on me.
And if you are in a real crisis and I love you or you don’t have anyone to help you, yes, I know how to be a pillar and/or an anchor and please let me help you.
The rest of the time? I’ll be a grown-up at my job, where I actively model and teach different ways of claiming the baton for one’s own damn self without having to put on a gray suit, for 18-22 year olds who are going to be WAY more effective in 20 years than I have a shot at being, and then come home and play as much as I want. All day erry day.
yes, I did spend a large portion of the night working on what songs go best on a batman fanfic’s playlist. I *never* had the kind of time i wanted for music when I was a teenager, even though it was the thing that made it less awful to stay alive most often.
(this is a very sideways way of saying, “what a delightful essay this is, Kristin!” so let me be a tad more direct: What a delightful and thought-sparking essay this is, Kristin!)Report
I don’t give a rats hooey what someone does with their free time. It may seem childish to me but ultimately who cares? Do what makes you happy.
But to be an adult is to be someone who takes responsibility and accountability for themselves. Now, this can mean different things for different folks for various reasons, but ultimately you need to handle your shit. Doing so allows for free time. But free time comes after. That’s what makes it “free”.Report
Yeah, this. I’m bracing for the annual wave of pumpkin-spice-latte hate. I don’t give a flip about ’em myself, I don’t drink coffee and I’m not a big fan of pumpkin. But you know? If it makes someone happy and it’s not hurting other people*, we don’t get a say about someone’s personal choices like that.
I saw something on twitter that went like:
“2009 Twitter: Person A: I like apples. Person B: well, I like pears. Person A: Oh, that’s cool, tell me why you like pears….”
“2019 Twitter: Person A: I like apples. Person B: Oh, you mean you’re anti-pear than. You are a fruitist. Person A: No, I just said I like apples. Person B: Yes, but that means you don’t like pears. Blocked and unfollowed”
(*And yes, of course, we can lawyerball everything down to “well, actuallies” like “but the production of pumpkin flavoring uses these synthetic chemicals that are harmful to the environment’ (but in a very small way compared to many other things) or “but it comes in a paper cup, that’s bad for the environment” or “but you’re contributing to Barista Oppression by shopping at coffee shops” and it makes me very extremely tired)Report
The thing is… I’m often up for a good ol’ round of curmudgeonly complaining about something or other. It can be fun! But there is a big difference between, “UGH! How many damn flavors are Oreos going to come in?!” and “You are a bad person because you think Diet Coke takes better than Coke Zero. I will try to get you fired now.” It is the conflation of differing opinions with value judgements that really gets us into trouble.Report
I think the pumpkin spice stuff (lattes and other things) uses the spices one usually uses in pumpkin pies – ginger, cinnamon, nutmeg, cloves, allspice, that kind of thing – not actual pumpkin or pumpkin flavour.
Which might remain largely irrelevant to you if you don’t care for coffee.Report
Graduate school is where I really learned the value of keeping hold of a few childish things. When a regular week is at least 70 hours*, and any time you sit down you can make a list of at least a half-dozen things related to academics that you should spend time on, plus sleeping (I’m an 8.5 hours/day guy), and doing the necessary stuff like eating and laundry and shopping and getting to-and-from campus, squeezing in an occasional childish bit was a handhold on sanity. For me, it was usually 20 minutes of reading something that was purely for entertainment, without any deep thinking, in bed before I rolled over and went to sleep. Occasionally dinner with someone, or a movie, but it was harder to do planned things with other people because there were so many deadlines I didn’t control.
As for other people’s childish things, I’m a live-and-let-live sort. Whatever rocks your boat.
* One of the biggest mental adjustments about leaving graduate school for a non-academic position was finding things to fill up all of the newly-available hours in a week. Bell Labs had a ton of young people with shiny new graduate degrees who had to adjust to that. Help was available.Report
Wasn’t golf a game? Wasn’t bridge a game?
I think you are spot on with regards to YA literature. In the 1960s, proper grown up literature was reduced to “oral sex in the suburbs” as one critic put it. No wonder real readers went for genre fiction. Look at the 19th century classics that kids are forced to read in high school. They tend to be about something, financial chicanery, sexual repression, social pretensions or what have you. The extremely personal novel that came in starting the 1950s was claustrophobic. If Charles Dickens had to write Oliver Twist or Emile Zola had to write J’accuse nowadays, it would have to be YA fiction. (Hell, Milton’s Paradise Lost was just fanfic.)
Becoming an adult is about being able to pay your bills, acting responsibly with friends and family, and following and acting in the political arena. Adults were expected to have hobbies, that is, to do thinks for their own pleasure rather than as part of their responsibilities as an adult. That meant playing bridge or golf or knitting or running model trains. Well, bridge and gold aren’t as popular as they once were. Why not comic books, fantasy novels and video gamingReport
Golf is a religion. Bridge is too much like work. :^)Report
Whilst in the shower, I composed a comment discussing how Video Games were a superior entertainment to film or books given that Video Games were interactive and required more from the user than merely sitting back and consuming.
And once you go down that path, you start seeing the counter-arguments and seeing how people compare, say, Citizen Kane or The Godfather to Pac-Man rather than comparing Friday The Thirteenth Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan to Shadow of the Colossus.
And then I got exhausted.Report
Thinking and analyzing and discussing a work of art is active, not passive engagement.Report
True, but how many people are actually thinking about and analyzing what they’re watching, as opposed to merely passively absorbing it? In my personal experience, at least, not many.Report
Could this defense be used, word for word, with Video Games?
Then we remain in the same place.Report
lol…I have no idea what this ban was about, but I love the Editor’s note.Report
I’m not sure if that post about the deleted comment is going through twice or not. Well, I apologize to any adults who might have to clean up my mess.
I’ve already written 2,000+ worse in response to the spin-off post Kristin wrote to this, so I’ll keep it brief here:
1. One of the worst thing adults to do kids is to convince them growing up offers no benefits.
2. There is no difference, objectively, between work and play. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine what that says about why we create subjective differences.
3. I don’t object to a lot of the modern kid culture per se, I do object to its blandness. I’ll take a goofy, fun, even “gritty”, Asian action flick over most any recent American one.
4. I agree “adult” culture has been reduced to boring sexual things, and further object to its blandness which is possibly worse than the kids stuff, because it’s dictated by a very small number of approved narratives. You know who makes great movie for grown-ups? Israelis. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. (I highly recommend this year’s “The Other Story”, but recent years have given us classics like “Fill The Void”, “The Women’s Balcony” and “Ushpizin”.)
Kidlit from 60-70 years ago or more is far more sophisticated in terms of writing and raising the big questions than modern adult tales, hands down.
And now I’ll shut up.Report
people: “it’s stupid that grown-ass adults pay so much attention to little kids’ entertainment, grow the F up and look at REAL ADULT STUFF that has complexity and nuance and isn’t just four-color Heroes Punch Villains”
same people: “wine is bullshit, there’s no proveable difference in flavor between that $300 bottle with some fancy-ass French on the label and this Two-Buck Chuck I got at the grocery store, if you think alcohol needs to be sophisticated you’re just being pretentious”Report
There’s also an argument that YA lit is just as much a monotonous exploration of white authors’ issues as Adult lit, only instead of being mens’ empowerment fantasies it’s womens’.Report
I think there’s a good distinction to be drawn between “childlike” and “childish”.
It is childlike to enjoy cartoons, onesie PJs with animal ears on the hood, YA novels, playground swings, etc.
It is childish to throw tantrums, to resent people when their needs impinge on our wants, to get in physical fights over perceived slights, to blame others for our own wrong behaviour.
We should strive to put away childish things, and hang on to as many childlike things as we would like to.Report
Nicely put.
At the risk of gilding the lilly, it struck me that in another milieu we’d have just said:
1 Corinthians 13:8-13
Mark 10:13-16
But those were different ways, a long time ago.Report
+1 yes, this too. I am a monkeyfighting adult when I need to be. I don’t demand to speak to a manager when there’s some glitch at the bookstore, I don’t ghost on people I agreed to do something for, I tell my students “no” when it’s good for them to hear “no” even if they whine at me (and oh, the whining gets to me). So I think I should be allowed to enjoy my stupid cartoons and my stuffed animals and my occasional indulgence in YA lit. But apparently some people think that makes me a bad person. Fine. Whatever. I’m not QUITE to the point of being able to say ‘fish them, then” but I’m slowly getting there.Report
Only slightly connected to the topic, but – I recently encountered your namesake! I’m reading my daughter “Moominsummer Madness” for bedtime stories (the same copy my dad read to me).
I really am enjoying all the fun novels we get to read now. Picture books were fun too, but it’s great her being old enough that we can get into real longer form books.Report
“We should strive to put away childish things, and hang on to as many childlike things as we would like to.”
This is extremely well put, Dragonfrog.Report
Man, if growing up means I can’t wear Star Wars pyjamas, play video games, read fantasty novels, watch super hero shows, and stan for Tony Stark then what was all this for?
Good post!Report