AOC and “Squad” vs Nancy Pelosi
Nancy Pelosi recently gave an interview to Maureen Dowd. Most of it was the usual stuff — boo Republicans, down with Trump. But what’s garnering most of the attention is remarks she made about the hard progressive wing of her party and their opposition to the bill to fund relief for the border crisis. In particular, she had this to say about the “Squad” of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Pressley:
Pelosi feels that the four made themselves irrelevant to the process by voting against “our bill,” as she put it, which she felt was the strongest one she could get. “All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world,” she said. “But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people and that’s how many votes they got.”
I’m actually going to recommend you read the whole interview just to put this pull-quote into its proper perspective. The media (and um, this post) have focused on the internecine rift because it’s interesting. But to hear progressive Twitter talk about it, you’d think she’d spent the entire interview on the subject. To the contrary, Pelosi pulls no punches on calling out Republicans (“If he could be president, this glass of water could be president!” she says of Trump). And she calls out the media for letting Trump suck all the oxygen out of the debates.
But the internal rift in the Democratic Party is interesting. We’ve seen flares of it before — the progressives calling for Trump to be impeached while Pelosi demurs; the progressives calling for the Green New Deal while leadership backs a more cautious approach; the progressives pushing to have Medicare For All abolish private insurance while the moderates support something approaching a public option. Pelosi’s remarks have brought this fight out into the open with multiple publications going after her and AOC herself tweeting numerous responses to the Pelosi quote. The anti-Pelosi-ists argue that moderation doesn’t get them anywhere and they should be thinking big (and, as an aside, that the leadership of the Democratic Party is too old and white to understand this).
Age and Guile Beat Youth, Innocence and a Fashionable Haircut
At the risk of achieving my lifelong goal of maximum condescension, I have to say that this little kerfuffle reminds me of a teenagers grousing at their parents. The teenager thinks they know everything; that their parents just don’t get it. It takes time for them to eventually realize that their parents actually get it much better than they do.
What exactly have these new progressives accomplished so far? They have proposed several ideas (not legislation) that have gone nowhere. Their big thing was the Green New Deal, which was roundly mocked and immediately voted down by Mitch McConnell as he grinned like Cheshire Cat.
By contrast, what has Pelosi achieved? Well, she shepherded Obamacare through Congress and it is notably the one part of Obama’s legacy that Trump has not been able to entirely undo. Progressives, of course, criticized her (and Obama) for not doing single payer when they had the chance. But getting Obamacare through was almost impossible. And if Clinton hadn’t blown an easy election, they’d be building on that right now.
Over Obama’s first two years, Nancy Pelosi got one of the more aggressive Democratic agendas in years through an extremely hostile opposition party. Once she became Speaker again, her first act was to stare down Trump over a government shutdown. A stare-down she won.
Pelosi has accomplished these things because, like anyone who pays attention to politics, she understands that getting things done in Washington is hard. It’s hard when you have to deal with the other party but it’s hard even when your party controls all three branches of government. Because even one party has factions within it, not all of whom are on board with the headline agenda. You can’t just tell the special interests to take a hike; you have to get some of them on board so that you can turn them against the other ones.
Hearing the AOC-ites criticize that reminds me of … well, of Trump. Or more accurately, the movement that gave rise to him. There is a common delusion among Americans that political change is easy. That all you need is for someone to “stand up to the special interests” and give a big speech and the opposition will melt away like an episode of The West Wing. But it’s not like that. There are a million agendas and a thousand interests scrambling around Washington. Any agenda is going to find opposition. And no, not just because of evil special interest money and lying media news networks. It will find opposition because people — a fair number of people — will disagree with you, no matter how brilliant, obvious and popular you might think your agenda is.
The practical boring legislative side of politics is not a revolution in which all your dreams come true in the first 100 days. It’s finding that narrow window in which the opposition is minimized and you can get something you want. And getting through that window leads to… more windows, each of which has to be approached in a different way. And as tempting as it may be to smash the windows, Targaryen-style, that approach rarely works.
To cite another issue which illustrates the difference between the “we can do anything” progressive wing and the “we can sort of do some things” moderate wing: take climate change. I think climate change is one of the more important issues right now. And I think dealing with climate change means taking on Big Oil. That’s a mammoth task; almost an impossible one. That effort failed in 2008 (albeit with a plan I thought was poor). But it can be tried again now. Maybe the Democrats can get a carbon tax. Or more investment in alternative energy. Or (my preferred policy) way more money into research and innovation.
Now contrast that against a Democratic Party pushing the Green New Deal. Suddenly they’re taking on the oil companies…and the healthcare industry…and the insurance industry… and the construction industry…and the automotive industry…and labor unions…and about 90% of our citizens. That’s not going to happen, no matter how passionately people believe that the country will wake up their awesomeness.
Look, I’m no fan of Pelosi. I consider her quite liberal, a bit daffy and, yeah, somewhat out of touch. She’s older than Methuselah and richer than Croesus. But she knows how things work. It must be frustrating for Democrats to constantly deal with the wet blanket of their leadership. But they kind of need a wet blanket right now if they’re going to succeed. They have 3,425 Presidential candidates making an increasingly elaborate list of promises that can never be kept. They have a progressive wing that thinks they can transform the country with their sheer unadulterated optimism. Someone needs to say, “No, that’s not going to work. Here’s what will.”
Moderation Works
What’s more, moderation… works. It works in the electoral sense. For all the progressive dreams of a great blue wave sweeping the country on promises of free healthcare, free college, free daycare and free pickles, they have never won with that kind of agenda. The times they tried — 1972 and 1984 in particular — they got destroyed. They were able to advance more aggressive agendas in the 60s and 70s but their success in building the Great Society flowed from an odd coalition of northern liberals and southern segregationists, an alignment that came apart in the 70s and 80s. We are not going to see that moment again, thankfully.
But moderation? Bill Clinton won two elections as a moderate. Obama won two elections as left of center (Republican demonization not withstanding). The Democrats won Congress in 2006 on the back of “blue dog” moderate Democrats. And they won in 2018 using the same tactic. Hell, they won a senate seat in Alabama….ALABAMA…running a moderate Democrat. Granted, he will probably lose next time and won mainly because Roy Moore was so repellent. But that’s a seat that Jeff Sessions won unopposed in 2014 and won by almost 30 points in 2008. Even with Moore’s considerable baggage, that seat should not have been in play.
Do you think it’s any accident that Joe Biden is currently polling the best against Trump? That’s mainly because he is perceived as the more moderate candidate.
But more than that, moderation works legislatively. Had Obama proposed single payer, it would have gone down in flames. But by proposing a more modest reform and getting most of the special interests on board, he and Pelosi got it through. Had Bill Clinton proposed raising the top marginal rate to 70%, it would have failed. But a rise to 39.6% got through. LGBT rights have advanced piece-by-piece. Civil rights have advanced piece-by-piece. Every success the Democrats have had over the last 30 years has been a result of advancing their agenda as far as they can without the coalition completely coming apart.
Ultimately, the path forward for the Democrats is what it has always been: center-left. If they want to advance an agenda, they do what they can, endure the backlash, maybe lose Congress. And then they come back again once the Republican screw things up (which they inevitably do). I know that sounds frustrating and tedious to our liberal friends. But it’s how the ball gets moved downfield. Our political system isn’t set up to be an arena football game. It’s set up to be a 1970’s defensive struggle. Move the ball, punt, hold the opposition. Manage field position. Set yourself up for the occasional field goal. Once in a while, get a big run. Minimize turnovers.
That’s how the country has moved so far on issues of LGBT equality. That’s how the country has moved so far on environmental issues (excepting global warming). That’s how the country has moved so far on healthcare. No, it’s not the revolution liberals want. But 1932 was the anomaly, not the rule. American politics grinds slowly; it’s intended to. But if you keep your shoulder to the wheel and keep pushing, you can get some things done. I’ll oppose a lot of those things, of course. But I think progress — in the lower case sense — comes from everyone pushing on the wheel until it moves a little sideways. As an independent conservative-libertarian, I think our political system work best when we have two functional parties mostly stopping each other from stupid things but occasionally grudgingly haltingly doing things that need to be done.
Whither the Republicans
It’s at this point that progressives always whine, “Well, why are we the ones who always have to moderate? Republican never do!” This is a popular talking point and it is absolutely 100% complete brass-bound manure. Republicans once talked of privatizing Social Security; they abandoned that talk halfway through Bush’s presidency. They once ran on a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage; they’ve almost completely abandoned the issue. To be fair, they have run to the right on a number of issues (abortion most notably). But even as they were repealing parts of Obamacare, they were adopting the language of Democrats. The biggest expansion of Medicare since its foundation took place under Bush. So did the biggest expansion of federal education spending. And one of the most ambitious agendas to tackle HIV.
In fact, the dirty little secret of Trump is that he moderated the GOP on a lot of issues. I know that sounds crazy since his immigration stances are quite extreme. But Trump moderated the GOP’s stance on trade, entitlement reform and the Iraq War. Trump massively moderated the GOP’s stance on LGBT issues, the trans soldier ban notwithstanding. The foreign policy he laid out was to the left of Hillary Clinton. And regardless of what you think about Trump or how he has governed, polling consistently showed that the voters considered Trump much more moderate than McCain, Romney or either Bush, none of whom were exactly rock-ribbed conservative flamethrowers.
Far from being a counterexample to the theory that moderation pays off, Trump’s election is, if anything, a testament to its power. The millions of progressives baffled that someone as coarse, ignorant, and scandal-plagued as Trump could win an election should reflect on the fact that he was able to partially recover from those things due to his positions on the issues.
That’s not to say that Trump ran a sober-minded, issue-oriented campaign. Far from it. His main themes were dedicated to mobilizing ugly racial sentiments. But racism is not new to American politics. Had Trump ran on a conventional Republican platform of cutting Social Security and Medicare, Democrats would have hammered him for it — just as they hammered Bush and McCain and Romney — and won the votes of many older non-college whites who are racist enough to like Trump but sufficiently non-racist to have voted for Democrats in the past.
I would also add that the GOP has a lot more room to run to the extreme. This country tends to lean center-right. It tends to find far-Left candidates more alarming than far-Right ones. The Republicans’ only identifiable agenda right now is stopping the Democrats from doing anything. People are a lot less alarmed by a party standing athwart the tracks of history yelling “Stop!” than they are by a party driving the train and throwing ever more coal into the tinder.
Moreover, the GOP is presently in an odd and not entirely sane place. The party — at least the grifter/commentariat class — has been taken over by a group of people to whom success is entirely defined by opposition to the Democrats. During Obama’s tenure, the GOP commentariat praised them to the skies for mindlessly opposing Obama, which accomplished nothing. And then they raked them over the coals for cooperating with Obama on a budget which imposed the tightest spending restraint in two generations and cut the deficit in half. They blasted Romney as a sell-out for winning an election in a blue state and advancing a conservative agenda within it. But they praise Trump as he blows up the deficit, coddles dictators and lavishes subsidizes on businesses because Trump tweets out insulting names at Democrats and the media. They just drove Justin Amash — one of the most consistently conservative members of Congress — out of the GOP because he refused to genuflect to the Dear Leader.
This approach has had some electoral success — although that is mainly because of structural factors that favor Republicans (e.g., the geographic concentration of Democratic voters). But it has been a legislative disaster. The actual conservative agenda — such as it is — has gotten nowhere. The clearest example was the Obama budget deal. The chance at real entitlement reform — a long-desired conservative goal — slipped away because the Tea Party caucus refused to “surrender” on an accompanying tax hike.
The GOP has had more success at the state level — e.g., the abortion bans that have passed in numerous states. But those have only happened in states where the GOP has an overwhelming majority in the legislature. And their pursuit of the hard right wing has left them with almost no power in blue states.
In short, the GOP’s example is not one that should be held up as a model. It should be held up as a warning of what can happen when you let the hotheads take over the party.
All Those Followers
I’m also kind of with Pelosi in her dismissal of the importance of Twitter and social media. AOC is pointing out that, thanks to her massive social media presence, she isn’t having to raise money. She’s getting her message out via Twitter instead of paying for TV adds.
I find this response to be incredibly self-centered and myopic. I asked how many people watch TV vs. Twitter and Andrew noted:
7% use Twitter, wi/4M followers AOC is fraction of that. It is a powerful tool, but your message & methods still make the difference. And the “four freshmen’s” message & methods are running afowl of the real power. The real power will win. Pelosi knows this. AOC is yet to learn.
— Andrew Donaldson (@four4thefire) July 7, 2019
Andrew’s right: social media is a powerful tool. But ultimately it is an addition to, not a replacement for, the well-established tool kit that politicians use to raise money, win elections and get legislation passed. I’m glad that AOC has enough of a Twitter following and lives in a liberal enough district that she doesn’t have to raise money (although she might be a bit less glad of that come primary time). But the rank and file of Democrats don’t have the luxury of four million Twitter followers, an overwhelmingly liberal district and worshipful media following. Most of them have to struggle and claw just to stay in office. And most of them represent constituencies that are far more moderate than AOC’s.
Trump has an even bigger social media presence than AOC. And yet, he’s smart enough — and it’s rare that I use that word to describe him — to know that traditional fund-raising is still necessary (as witnessed by a record-breaking $105 million haul last quarter). But what has his massive social media presence reaped? He got his tax cut and an elimination of the Obamacare mandate and … that’s kind of it. No wall. No Trumpcare. No deep cuts to discretionary spending. The wall in particular is a perfect illustration of the failure of the take-no-prisoners my-way-or-the-highway legislate-via-Twitter approach to politics. Trump could have gotten his wall had he agreed to a permanent DACA fix. But he refused. And so he got nothing.
The Road Ahead
Ultimately, I don’t think this will matter. The AOC wing of the party is getting lots of media attention. But the party is not defined by it. They are more defined by the vast millions of center-left people who aren’t political junkies. Those people are currently supporting Biden. And unless Biden completely blows it — a non-zero possibility, to be fair — he’ll be the nominee. And the hard progressive wing will have to gnash their teeth as he advances a much more modest agenda, probably with a fair degree of success. Even if Biden does collapse and they nominate someone like Warren, she will likely be dealing with a Republican Senate (if not immediately, then definitely by 2022). And then she’ll be forced to adopt a moderate agenda, whether she wants to or not. And I expect that Pelosi will still be there: enraging Republicans, annoying her base…and getting things done.
If you’d told me ten years ago that I’d one day write a 3000-word blog post praising Nancy Pelosi (kinda), I’d have said you were crazy. I still disagree with her on almost everything. But it’s a sign of how crazy the times have gotten that many libertarians and conservatives — including this one — now see her as the voice of reason.
Because…she is.
This reminds me of the LBJ biopic with Bryan Cranston “All The Way”, where LBJ is frantically negotiating between Southern Democrats and the Civil Rights leaders, trying to bring the Civil Rights Act to completion.
He wheedles, flatters, placates, and outright lies to get each side to make concessions and compromises. We saw Pelosi do the same thing during Obamacare, where she had to negotiate half a dozen different options and alternatives depending on which wing of the party was in need.
But the important part is that the extreme edge needs to be defined, and the unreachable goal has to be pointed to before you can talk compromise. Because AOC and her gang actually represent millions of Americans who really do want Medicare for All and really would like to see Trump impeached.Report
Sure. I have no problem with the AOC wing existing. I do have problem with them thinking that the only thing keeping their agenda at bay is a lack of will.Report
“I do have problem with them thinking that the only thing keeping their agenda at bay is a lack of will.”
Per Hidden Tribes, AOC’s wing is approx 8% of the population. Anyone who reads the above quote and thinks, “Yeah but…” is truly living in a fantasy. There is a HUGE disconnect between the SJ Left and the rest of the country. I have no doubt that many of them think they just need more brave soldiers, but geez that isn’t reading the room very well.Report
Well, most of them are so woke that they would mistake a UAW meeting for Klan rally, and the UAW members are probably well aware of that.Report
You could easily say the same about any political group, because every political faction contains unpopular stances.
What percentage of Americans want to hang women who get abortions?
What percentage of Americans looks at that picture of a father and daughter floating face down and shrugs in indifference?
The answer to both of those questions is simultaneously “Not very many” but also, “Wow that many??”
By the same token, things like first trimester abortion, gun control, breaking up large corporations, and a more progressive tax system poll extremely well with American generally.Report
Serious question – let’s say one of the candidates just adopted all of the AOC’s positions and ran on that as her proxy…do you see them getting the nod next year?Report
How many votes would she get?
Not that many, but WOW that many??
The radical wing of the Democratic Party is still on the periphery of power.
Whereas the radical right, the ones who really do want to hang abortion providers, occupy seats in the Senate, SCOTUS, and the White House.
There is a bigger disconnect between the median Republican officeholder and America, than the median Democrat.Report
“The radical wing of the Democratic Party is still on the periphery of power.”
So we agree that AOC’s agenda is not a winner right now?Report
Maybe!
But I suspect that if her proposals were stripped of her name and party ID, they would fare very differently.
Like those things where some professor reads from the Declaration of Independence or the Communist Manifesto to people on the street, and a shockingly large number of them think one is the other.
Notice how even hard righties are now going around using terms like “crony capitalism” and the “global elite”, and talking about reining in corporate power but since they are imagining effete liberals, they think its like some Burkean conservatism.
Because honestly, and I know I am beating a drum here, but the divide between our tribes has very little to do with any sort of policy, and everything about race and culture.
The problem with AOC’s agenda is AOC.Report
“Because honestly, and I know I am beating a drum here, but the divide between our tribes has very little to do with any sort of policy, and everything about race and culture.”
I’ll give you culture…race is mostly manufactured by the SJ Left, but we can debate that another day.Report
Because AOC and her gang actually represent millions of Americans who really do want Medicare for All and really would like to see Trump impeached.
Some of them are even old enough to vote!Report
Good point. How many of AOCs Twitter following is people of voting age?Report
Moreover, how many of them vote? Even in 2018, the 18-29 demographic lagged the 65+ demo by 30 points in voter participation.Report
She won her primary with something like 18K votes. Her General with 110K-ish. Perspective is important here.Report
Her district’s activist wing showed up for a primary that nobody else was paying attention to, because it was a safe Democrat seat with a high-ranking incumbent, so the primary just didn’t matter.
After the Amazon debacle, those voters know it matters a great deal, and a thousand seasoned New York steely-eyed politicians know that they, and even their odd cousin, is more experienced and better qualified to hold it than AOC is.
For primary purposes, I would regard it as essentially an open seat.Report
Pelosi actually passed a bill somewhat to the left of the final Obamacare. Eg, the House bill included a public option. Reid had to drop that to appease Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman. A public option might have passed in the Senate if that’s what came out of a conference committee, but Mark Brown won the Massachusetts special election, Reid lost his filibuster-proof majority, and Pelosi’s choice in the House was suddenly approve the Senate Bill or get nothing.Report
The Later Silent Generation and early Boomers seem to be unwilling to abandon their leadership positions in politics and the private sphere. This seems true across the developed world and the political spectrum.Report
Quite possibly because they are the first generations where enough of them have retained relatively vigorous health into their 70s. The big killers for oldsters — heart disease, cancer, stroke — are much more treatable. Sanity test: treatable enough that news stories about potential detection/treatment for dementia now get bigger play than a new cancer treatment.Report
One of the keys to winning a Presidential election is to be the sanest candidate, the safest choice, the adult in the room. Biden is the only Democratic candidate even trying to play that role, and even he is supporting the idea of bringing back the individual mandate to penalize American workers while giving free, even better universal health care to Guatemalans. That gives Trump enormous room to say all sorts of bizarre things and still not be the the crazy candidate. If the Democrats knock Biden out, they’ll likely be running on unicorn-powered Marxism, forced school busing, and government funded abortions for trans women.Report
I sort of love both parties to this argument, actually. Pelosi gets it done. And AOC is the dreamer. These sides need to understand something about each other, and when they work together, they can accomplish a lot.
Lincoln famously had the Radical Republicans in Congress constantly harrying him. If he couldn’t take that, he’d not have been fit to be president. I think that more moderate Dems need to get the idea that the radicals work in their favor, even when it doesn’t seem like it. Their hearts are in the right place.
This “fight” doesn’t bother me very much.Report
Obama famously told the bankers in 2009, that he was the only thing standing between them and the pitchforks.
FDR told them he was the only thing blocking the Communists.
Its good for Pelosi to suddenly be the sane adult, rather than “San Fran Nan”, the specter of socialism.Report
When I was younger, my rural Iowa grandfather would tell me Great Depression stories. One of them was about the communists and the fascists coming to the Grange Hall to talk about a week apart. Both, he said, got a very respectful hearing. Rural America had been in a recession/depression since the early 1920s, and the farmers were willing to listen to anyone who wanted to burn the whole system down.Report
I gotta say, approvingly quoting Eva Peron is a bold statement.
Although maybe she just doesn’t actually know who that is. I mean, we already saw that nobody knows who Alfred E Neuman is.Report
I think people consistently misremember what happened on the West Wing. Typically the heroes never got anything big done on their agenda and spent the bulk of their time defending previous gains or negotiating marginal changes. The big speeches were to themselves to keep up morale as they grinded through the mud, and almost nobody got anywhere just with a big speech.
It’s like people deliberately missed interpret the show to bet on a strawman version of technocratic liberalism.
That the characters were insufferably smug, is totally a fair cop though.Report
My mother, who lives in Virginia, gets all of her information from Fox News, which she just calls “the news”. I talk to her once a week, so I know very well at this point that Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is perhaps the most corrupt, dishonest, and stupid person ever elected to office in the United States. Prior to this, it was Hillary Clinton, of course, who was also a murderer and possibly the Biblical anti-Christ. Prior to that, Barack Obama was the stupidest and most corrupt and dishonest, etc.
I can only assume my mother dislikes Nancy Pelosi too, of course, but she really hates AOC. It sounds from this, however, like Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez are playing the classic Good Cop/Bad Cop routine and the moderate American position is something like “I really hate that Bad Cop, but I’m surprised to find that I kinda like that Good Cop.”Report
Fox News, 2050:
“Is The Democrat Party Trying to Take Away Your Medicare-For-All?”Report
Typo?Report
It’s funny because my parents are somewhat in that boat. And they’ve both turned 180 on Pelosi, seeing her as a critical restraint on the Democrats.Report
Also, I gotta say, from the perspective of “The Outside World”, America has a weird idea of the reasonable middle and the extremes.Report
We’re an outpost of the future.Report
Such that remains of it, yes. I agree.Report
Obamacare is abstract to the well to do and the poor.
Why do I, a poor vet living in a leaky travel trailer have to pay?
That is only because my family barely lives above the poverty line.
I do not understand the secure and comfortable folk discussing how to force the poor into the big game. Jim Crow writ into the script for hillbillies, even the PHDs.
I suspect the middle management of that company store uses souls for examples. Good market for profit. If that is the business of our betters.Report
I think the tone of this post is a bit sexist. I don’t consider myself socialist (plenty others do that for me). I also don’t think AOC is correct on anything but it is a mistake to just criticize her as a tweeter with a good set of hair. It is condescending.
This blog seems to swing older, whiter, and more male than the Internet overall. That does not mean AOC represents a negligible demographic. Younger generations are more brown and grew up in a very different economy than this blog’s readers. I think lots of people have a hard time understanding situations outside of their world view and student debt is a prime example.Report
The comment on her hair is a reference P.J. O’Rourke’s book, “Age and Guile Beat Youth, Innocence and a Bad Haircut” in which he contrasts the radical idealism of his youth against the curmudgeonly conservatism of middle age. I changed it because no one would accuse AOC of having a bad haircut. But it’s meant to highlight the contrast between the young Turks and the old Guard of the Dem Party, not to be a sexist slight.
And considering that AOC and the Squad use Twitter a lot for communication and that this new use of media is touted as one of their strengths, I don’t see that as unwarranted. In fact, late last year, I praised her for using to talk about Congressional orientation and how Congresscriters are immediately introduced to lobbyists to try to influence their votes. I did address the one piece of legislation she proposed, the Green New Deal, in a larger post. And I have previously noted her intense questioning of witnesses during congressional hearings.Report
While I think that I agree 100% with the thrust of this piece, I think the “moderation” angle isn’t quite on the nose. I doubt there is much ideological room between a liberal from SF and a progressive from NYC. What is different is an approach to politics. AOC defends her positions as forms of self-expression, which is a legitimate approach for a Representative without a leadership position. Pelosi can and should be judged as a leader on her tactics and strategy.
They should be assessed on different standards. AOC is most likely expressing the views of her constituents, and from what I can divine will not be a politician of national influence outside of the press and certain blogs. I think there is greater room to question Pelosi’s handling of the recent immigration issue, though much of it was in the hands of the Senate. When the Republicans control both the White House and the Senate, the Democratic majority in the House essentially operates as a party in opposition. They can either attempt to soften the political preferences of the party in power or propose a bill that illustrates what Democratic control would look like. Here, neither occurred, in some part owing to (1) a lack of leadership from Pelosi; (2) an intransigent progressive faction within her ranks; (3) superior leadership from McConnell in persuading moderate Democrats with additional funding for immigration lawyers and Immigration NGOs; and (4) ticking clock in which time was of the essence for aid to refugees. It was not an easy row to hoe.Report
Man, those wacky Democrats.Report
On the one hand, you’re right that the Twitter superboosters aren’t enough of a group in themselves to swing an election.
On the other hand…they’re more likely to *stay* engaged. I mean, everything is a brand these days, and one thing people sure do like doing is grabbing onto brands and not letting go.
So these folks aren’t about right now; they’re about six years from now, and twelve, and thirty. They’re about being there to say “AOC has always been there for me!” when someone asks who to vote for.Report
Sure, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez hasn’t gotten a great deal accomplished since her election in late 2018, compared to Nancy Pelosi’s accomplishments to date since election to the DNC in 1976 and/or her machine-backed anointment to congress in 1988. That’s not especially surprising.
What national politician first elected in 2018, or even in 2016, has done more than Ocasio Cortez to move the Overton Window in a direction favourable to their respective party? By this measure, Ocasio Cortez is probably less accomplished than, er, Trump. Maybe others can think of someone else who’s got her beat, but that’s all I’ve got.
What had Pelosi accomplished on that or any other front by 1970 (if we go by equivalent age), 1979 (equivalent tenure in the party) or 1989 (equivalent tenure in congress)?Report
Well, it depends what “favorable to their party” means. For exaple, AOC has certainly made anti-Semitism a mainstream Democratic position. Her chief of staff even made an important video message in a Subhas Chandra Bose T-shirt. Bose was the self-declared prime minister of India who met with Mussolini in the 30’s to push Fascism, met with Hitler in 1942, and in ’44 said that India “should be a synthesis between National Socialism and Communism”, and said he’d execute anyone who opposed him. Fortunately he died in a plane crash a year later.
The other day AOC loved Trump’s comparing her to Evita Peron. Peron, a high-school drop out, was a Fascist. Her husband protected Josef Mengele and Adolf Eichmann. He gutted the universities, and the common slogan was “Build the Fatherland. Kill a Student.” He was overthrown, exiled, and his party was banned, and Evita’s corpse was hidden in Italy.
She is the gift that keeps on giving.Report
“AOC has certainly made anti-Semitism a mainstream Democratic position”
Has she though? Has she actually accomplished that, or have oppo researchers found things to pick out so they can paint her as antisemitic, to an audience consisting solely of people who were never going to listen to her ideas anyway?
My impression from afar is that there was more antisemitism among Bernie bros. And certainly much much more among the “very fine people” Trump can only ever bring himself to half-heartedly condemn for a day or two at a time before reversing himself.Report
For clarity – I didn’t know about either of those things you mentioned, so how “mainstream” they are is unclear to me.
I agree that the Subhas Chandra Bose shirt was a head-shakingly poor decision, but also (a) not a thing she personally did, and (b) would have vanished with barely a notice if one of the relatively few Americans who have a clue who Subhas Chandra Bose is hadn’t pointed it out to the press.
As far as the comparison to Eva Peron – it seems more like she’s going, OK, I’ve been compared to Peron, I might as well find some Peron quotes to go “oh yeah” with. Anyway, again, 90+% of Americans probably know of the Perons exclusively through the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical, which as I recall didn’t exactly mention much about the specifics of their politics. So, again, as far as the result in public perception, how much “pushing fascism” is happening vs. how much “oh yeah, she’s totally spunky like that lady in Evita. Oh, hey here’s a speech she made about how migrant children should be treated better.”Report
AOC has cozied up to Jeremy Corbyn as well. Then there was the appropriating language from the Holocaust to describe detainment camps on the border, which is in really bad taste IMO. The whole thing is troubling but I don’t really know what AOC’s longterm goal is or if she even has one other than maybe to be a good pal to Ilhan Omar who isn’t even trying to pretend she hates Israel.Report
Joe Biden wrote, introduced, and/or supported our worst drug-war laws, including the Comprehensive Forfeiture Act of 1983 (civil asset forfeiture – legalized theft for federal agents) and the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 (equitable sharing – getting the local Barney Fifes in on the scheme). He’ll never get my vote. In fact, he’s the biggest reason I didn’t vote for Obama.Report
Oh, NO!!! I’m a woman, but can say with all confidence ——-Why don’t we give these HAGS matching BROOM STICKS ???There seems to be NO end of stupid stuff that they will go through !!! Pelosi isn’t QUITE as bad as the other two, but she’s clearly struggling in the throes of DEMENTIA, and just basically needs to opt out before she shows up in chambers in only her underwear. I KNOW that’s tough, BUT the time has come for rigorous honesty here, before the whole bloomin’ country goes to Hell in a hand cart.Report
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