A Third Kind of Green Libertarians Should Care About
The environment is a tricky issue for libertarianism, in many ways environmental issues are “ideologically inconvenient” for libertarians – life would be easier if they didn’t exist. Of course that’s not sufficient reason to actually act as if they didn’t exist, something I don’t think enough libertarians are willing to recognise.
So given that the environment creates complications for libertarian thought, it is incumbent on libertarians to find a way to reconcile libertarianism with environmental issues. Since my own brand of libertarianism is influenced heavily by my study of economics, my thoughts on how to create libertarian environmental policy are heavily influenced by environmental economics and therefore an understanding of what markets can an cannot do. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I think there are proper justifications for the government intervening when it comes to the environment. In this post I intend to be more specific, looking specifically at pollution.
Pollution is perhaps the classic case of an environmental issue requiring government intervention. The theory behind externalities goes back to an economist named Pigou in the 1930s, significantly before the modern environmental movement even existed. The basic principle here is that when an activity (say running a smoke-belching power plant) inflicts harm on others that cost is not borne by the owners of the factory, so they have no incentive to account for it when deciding whether to run the factory, or how they run the factory. This is a market failure in the formal sense in that it means the market is not properly accounting for all the costs of benefits of the activity. The economic prescription is a tax equal to the marginal cost to society of the pollution, these are known as Pigouvian Taxes, after Pigou. This tax realigns the factory owner’s incentives with wider society’s thereby restoring the market’s ability to manage the issue efficiently.
I think this is also a legitimate approach from a libertarian standpoint. What, a tax? You might object. Well, why not? First off, let me be clear that we are discussing a situation where one person’s action inflicts a tangible harm to others. By the standards of any non-anarchist libertarian this is a legitimate reason for the government to get involved. But what about the courts I hear you ask? Those of you conversant with the literature might even cite Coase’s work suggesting that private bargaining can substitute for direct government intervention. The important thing to bear in mind here is transaction costs. Sure when we’re talking about neighbours we can probably let people bargain, and let the government just adjudicate as necessary. But that’s not going to fly for a situation where thousands (or millions, or billions) are affected. If you require every affected party to sue for damages then in practice you have placed no restriction on a wide range of pollution, and if you require the polluter to get permission from every affected party then you have created an effective ban. By contrast, a Pigouvian tax scales the degree of intervention to the harm caused. Surely we libertarians care about proportionality?
As an aside, it is probably worth discussing climate change as it’s a big enough issue to be worth mentioning separately. First off, while I understand that a lot of people feel they are in a position to dispute the scientific consensus on this issue, I’m going to suggest that unless you actually are a climatologist you are not qualified to do so. In any case I’d rather not have that debate, so I’m just going to take it as given here. I’ll let them deal with the science, and I’ll take care of the policy implications: my side, your side.
While what I said in part 1 might lead you to think I support carbon taxes, this isn’t entirely true. Sure, my ideal first-best solution would be a global carbon tax starting small and then slowly ramping up over 20 years or so, I know full well that’s not going to happen. The level of coordination required (getting 100+ nations to sign up to an agreement and then continue to abide by it for decades) is simply beyond our global political structure. Even Europe has done less than you might think in dealing with climate change, and I still doubt it is possible to China to agree to any sort of abatement at all.
The best solution I can think of is government support for research into alternative energy (at the theoretical end, let’s not have a repeat of Solyndra), which I feel can be justified because of the positive externalities such research tends to generate. If necessary we may need to use geoengineering to buy ourselves some time, but we can hold off on that for now. This is not a great solution, but given the real world constraints it’s the best I can come up with. Ironically, the best technology we currently have to replace fossil fuels, nuclear fission, has been stymied by the very environmental groups that are loudest in their concern over climate change. Now that’s the law of unintended consequences.
In summary, I think there is a legitimate basis for the government intervening to restrain polluters. Libertarians should focus on pushing policy makers toward Pigouvian taxation and away from more direct regulations instead of claiming that there is no problem to solve because this is one case where the market won’t sole the problem by itself.
Given that we can’t implement a global carbon tax, what’s wrong with federal or state ones? BC’s implemented a carbon tax that’s been reasonably well-tolerated (well, at least, people were distracted by hating the HST more until they’d gotten used to the carbon tax) and is revenue-neutral, having been balanced with cuts to income and corporate taxes.
Even if it doesn’t have a major effect on carbon use, it’s still an improvement in taxing something bad (carbon emissions) rather than something good (work, in the case of income taxes). A revenue-neutral carbon tax means that libertarians don’t have to feel bad about supporting it, since they’re not raising taxes, and it removes the potential adverse effects a carbon tax over and above current tax rates could have if some carbon-intensive activities function as inferior goods.Report
The big problem with national carbon taxes is that they just move carbon-emitting industry from one country to another. This can be worse than useless. For instance, the US has the best GDP to CO2 ratio in the world. If carbon taxes drive carbon emitters off shore the result could be an increase in global CO2.
Also even if that doesn’t happen, by reducing the demand for fossil fuels in one country you lower the global price of fossil fuels. That just creates an incentive for others to burn them, and as I said before Western countries generally manage to burn these fuels relatively cleanly, the environmental impacts of a lump of coal burned in China are likely worse than one burned in the US or Europe.
Unfortunately this is a textbook case of a collective action problem, and without a global government I don’t see a solution.Report
Western nations produce far more carbon dioxide per person than the developing nations like China, so I think it can’t hurt for us to start reducing our carbon output first. Most of the industries that haven’t already moved overseas for cheaper labour are here for reasons other than cost (presence of expertise, stability, good governance), which a carbon tax won’t change.
And if we reduce the price of oil by reducing our use (something that’s not likely to happen rapidly even in a best-case scenario), wouldn’t that also mean China is more likely to use it rather than the relatively more-polluting coal, producing a net benefit? Carbon taxes would also provide an incentive for businesses to develop and, especially, to adopt cleaner technologies here, making them more marketable, and, once mass production introduces more cost efficiencies, enabling developing countries to buy them and use them rather than fossil fuels.
It’s not as if China and India and Brazil are unaware that climate change is an issue; there’s just a strong sense that it’s unfair that the countries that already industrialized using fossil fuels are asking developing countries to bear the costs of our prior actions. I don’t see them starting to act unless we do; conversely, if we do take substantial action, we’re likely to have more moral suasion to get them to reduce emissions, especially if we can offer them green tech in compensation.Report
Yeah, but this really isn’t about fairness, it’s about the climate and the climate doesn’t care where a CO2 molecule is emitted. And if more of them get emitted per unit of output in China than in the US then moving that output to China is a net loss for the climate.
I don’t think fairness is the primary issue here. I think, like every other country, they would rather the bulk of the cost of averting climate change be borne by other countries. That’s the problem. I don’t blame them but the dynamic results in no one doing anything.
The short-run effects on economic growth could throw China into revolution, I don’t think moral suasion is going to cut it here, especially if they have the option of appearing to comply without doing very much (As Europe has). Truth be told I think moral suasion has basically no power in interstate relations, especially on issues of significant cost.Report
Well, let’s look at the EPA’s Inventory of US Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks. To what extent is GHG production likely to move to different countries?
Fuel burned for transportation isn’t going to get moved offshore, and that’s the second biggest GHG source, accounting for more than a quarter of total GHG emissions.
Electricity production, the number one source accounting for almost a third, can’t directly be outsourced (except, maybe, to Canada and/or Mexico, but getting agreements between three countries is much easier than the entire world). Electricity-intensive industries can be, but let us consider the Energy Information administration’s numbers for Retail Sales and Direct Use of Electricity to Ultimate Customers. Residential and commercial demand comprise almost three quarters of electrical demand.
Transportation plus 3/4 of electricity production is about half of all GHG emissions that can’t readily be outsourced. I’m not going to go through the rest of the list, which consists of a bunch of little sources, each much smaller than those two. Some things could be outsourced (Iron and Steel Production), some can’t (Residential Fossil Fuel Consumption for energy, presumably heating), some I can’t tell (“Natural Gas Systems”; vague enough for ya?).Report
All worth knowing, but that only addresses my first point. My second point, that reduced US fossil fuel usage will simply result in greater usage in other countries.Report
Does that argument apply to things other than fossil fuel, like Uranium? Does the US eschewing nuclear fission simply result in cheaper Uranium and greater use of nuclear power in China et al?Report
This is a good point, but I don’t think the two commodities are somewhat different.
The bulk of our economic infrastructure runs on petroleum and for a decade or two at least enough stuff runs on petroleum that if you consume a bit less here, a bit more will be consumed by soemone else. It doesn’t cost much to make a new car for the road and for a Chinese or Indian family the fuel cost might make all the difference between the car being affordable or not. Equally, China is producing a large number of new coal plants, so building a couple more isn’t going to be a big strain.
By contrast there are relatively few nuclear reactors in the world and the cost of the uranium in them is a small fraction of the cost of a nuclear reactor (most of the cost is construction, which requires no uranium at all). So it would take a huge change in uranium prices before I would expect to see any noticeable effect on the demand for uranium.Report
Damn, JamesK, that’s such a duh I’m embarrassed it never even occurred to me. If the USA outlawed petroleum products tomorrow, the price would sink for the decreased demand, and the developing world would use even more of it, since oil remains the champ of BTU bang for the buck.
BTW, I was reading on yr
http://www.chancerygreen.com/index.php/news/entry/ets-review-panel-recommends-delayed-implementation
today. I of course find it laughable: NZ emits .00038 or whatever of greenhouse gases and that’s a piss in the ocean. But still, it does prove that only affluent societies have the extra dough to make such enviro-gestures. Survival comes first.Report
Even to the extent that fossil fuel use moves elsewhere, a tax increasing the cost of carbon in the United States provokes private entrepreneurship and market-driven research and development on carbon-reducing technologies, especially on products that are close to being market-ready, which you point out is exactly where you don’t want direct government intervention.Report
This is true only to the extent that carbon prices rise, and a national tax only increases these prices in the US, and decreases them elsewhere. So you get more innovation in the US, and less everywhere else. The net effect is ambiguous.Report
Aside from the disturbing absence of any discussion of Ron Paul in this post i agree. I do think there are some enviro problems where direct regulation is the best answer. Those would areas would be involving substances that are too dangerous to tolerate anything but highly limited use or that need to be completely avoided and in how dangerous substances are disposed of Ex. nuke waste). The EPA has done a lot drive the cleaning up a lot of terribly polluted areas.
A good college friend of The Wife lives in a subdivision in SoCal that some Evil Corporation, apparently, dumped some cancer causing chemical in the ground decades ago then built over it. Now a few people have cancer that, i’ve been told, is directly linked to the chem exposure. Her college friend and family, and the rest of the neighborhood, are still waiting to find out what is going to happen. How much, if anything, will they be compensated for their houses which will have to be razed? What happens if they have health complications? If there is a point its that there is a need sometimes for Gov to use its power to force people to do certain things and the pace of courts, and businesses with many lawyers, is not a pace that serves individuals.
As a vauge cultural stereotype, libertarians don’t like environmentalism or show much concern for the enviro.
What would be your view on national parks and wilderness? I’ll say up front i’m a huge fan of them.Report
Mr. Gregniak, that’s a tort, a liable party, direct harm caused, damages able to be calculated. I’d put it in a separate category. By the time we get to global warming, none of those particulars are calcuable except in theory.Report
Unless of course the liable party buys better lawyers. Or if you do happen to win because it’s just that obvious, good luck collecting – ask the victims of the Valdez how that’s going.Report
I wasn’t discussing GW. A big company has every incentive and often can stretch out cases like this. Individuals don’t have that same power and their lives are often on hold waiting for interminable court procedures. I was offering anecdata that relates to JK’s forth para.Report
It also assumes you can put a monetary figure on something like cancer. For many people, you can’t. Which is why remedy-after-the-fact doesn’t work universally.Report
It’s the best we can do with criminals, after the fact, not prior. I do favor more criminal charges for such malfeasance, however. Oddly, OPA90 has them, although oil spills seldom result in the loss of human life.Report
But, we have plenty of ‘laws’ against robbery for robbery. I don’t have to file suit against a mugger if he steals my wallet. So, we do have ways to punish and deter a criminal before the act. Just like we should with the environment. Look at the good the Clean Air Act did.Report
This is where I think our legal system gets very muddy with regards to intent and outcome. If you and I both fire a bullet into the heart of a man and, through the miracle of medical technology, my victim survives while your victim dies, I likely get charged with a different crime than you. Is that right? I don’t know. At the same time, if a third person accidentally drives his car into a gaggle of nuns each carrying a gaggle of babies, killing all of them instantly, he gets a different punishment than either of us (likely lesser, assuming it was a true accident). Is this right? I’d say so, but how does this mesh with my previous position wherein outcome matters over intent?
I don’t know what the answer is. Thankfully I’m not a lawyer or a judge or a lawmaker. But there does seem to be an issue when our legal system doesn’t take a firm, consistent position (at least that I know of) on what matters more between intent and outcome.
My two cents is that if it can be reasonably foreseen that a given act is likely to lead to a given outcome, one which violates the rights of another, non-consenting party, than it is justifiable to take steps before the act is carried out. We know that pouring mercury into drinking water supplies will have horrible outcome from those who draw from it. As such, that action should be illegal and reasonable steps taken to prevent it from happening in the first place. If the outcome is unforeseeable, than we are probably left to after-the-fact solutions. However, that can then set or change the precedent for what is considered foreseeable.Report
It’s the difference between a tort [civil] and a crime [criminal courts]. In a tort, like spilling mercury that gives somebody cancer, intent isn’t necessary.
We do have
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages
but they’re largely a different category. Some interesting stuff in there that touches on some of your concerns. The philosophy of law isn’t the same in every country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/us/26punitive.html?pagewanted=allReport
But if spilled mercury is only remedied through tort, than we are essentially setting a price for cancer.Report
Yes, it sounds awful, BSK, but that’s how it’s done in the real world. Google NHS and NICE.
[Hope you enjoyed that courteous set of links above on punitive damages, in the interest of principled engagement.]Report
BSK:
The EPA does set a price on lives. So what is wrong with it being done in other circumstances? It would be done if your husband, wife etc. was killed in a car accident.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25626294/ns/us_news-environment/t/how-value-life-epa-devalues-its-estimate/Report
I understand what is. I’m focusingo. What ought to be. If I lose a loved one because a company decides it stands to make more money by engaging in a dangerous practice andpaying off families, the money is little solace. Perhaps confiscate all profits related to the dangerous acts? That sure would put a stop to it.Report
Jesse:
A criminal prosecution of the nugget won’t necessarily compensate you for the loss of your wallet or your medical bills. Only a civil suit will do that. Remember, OJ beat the murder rap but the civil suit cleaned him out.Report
Yes, in special cases like that I can see the wisdom of direct regulation. In fact once you reached sufficiently deadly substances releasing them seems less like nuisance and more like assault. And I think the majority of libertarians would consider it proper for assault to be a crime.
Personally, I dislike natural spaces, I’m a born urbanite. But as for the government setting up national parks? I don’t really have a problem with it. Like anything it can be taken too far, but other than that I don’t really have any feelings other way.Report
You’re from Middle-earth and you don’t like nature?
The mind boggles.
(j/k)Report
Greg and James,
This libertarian agrees with James. Pollution harms others and should be controlled or limited in practical ways and a tax is often an efficient way to do this.
CO2 is an odd duck. As James mentions it is a global issue and national limitations just push the problem around. A NEW WORLD ORDER could address it, but then a libertarian and anyone with a passing familiarity with human exploitation would be afraid of the costs associated with this cure.
I suspect the eventual efficient solution to CO2 will be to be to extract it back out of the air. Even here, we need to ask who will be in charge of the thermostat.Report
Nice to see a libertarian actually grappling with this issue. Mostly I just see a bunch of hand-waiving or denials.
I wasn’t much of an environmentalist until I got into my current job (which involves insurance claims made by companies tagged for polluting). Now I take the issue of pollution seriously. It’s not that all regulations are good – regulation is a tool and often a clumsy one. But expecting companies to regulate themselves is pure folly. 9 times out of 10, if a cost can be pushed off onto someone else (particularly someone with little recourse), it will be pushed off.Report
9 times out of 10, if a cost can be pushed off onto someone else (particularly someone with little recourse), it will be pushed off.
In my limited experience with insurance companies and etc., this strikes me as the correct default position to assume in advance of any further discussions. If two people can’t agree on this, one of them is either willfully ignorant or lying. Both are argument killers.Report
If there’s one thing economists believe in is it’s the power of incentives. People won’t always follow the incentives, but it’s the way to bet.Report
Curiosity – what are the first two types of green? I’m guessing that the first is ‘greenbacks’, i.e. money, but can’t come up with the second.Report
Golf?Report
Marijuana.Report
The good stuff is purple, dude.
So I have been told.Report
So you only think people should have a right to smoke high quality marijuana? You are such a snob 😉Report
Kermit.
(He and Piggy have been denied their rights to have their marriage recognized outside the County of New York for far too long.)Report
Besides the issue of pure Pigouvian taxes as environmental policy, what do you think of recent EPA rules concerning mercury? These basically are an attempt to create national emission standards under the Clean Air Act, which results in power companies having to install “wet and dry scrubbers, dry sorbent injection systems, activated carbon injection systems, and fabric filter” for their plants–on the companies’ own dime. Is this too heavy-handed for your ideal (i.e. setting numerical standards), even though it tackles the cost/benefit issue?Report
I still think a Pigouvian tax would be superior to what they are proposing. After all, even if a given policy has a Benefit-Cost ration of greater than one doesn’t mean it’s the best policy.
The advantage of a Pigouvian tax is that it gives polluters the maximum freedom to reduce their omissions – they can buy filters, pay more for higher quality raw materials, cut down their output, or just pay the penalty (the latter can be socially optimal if the benefits of the production exceed the cost of the pollution). Direct regulation can end up pushing polluters down certain technological lines, which can have perverse effects.Report
IMHO, a simple pollution tax or trading scheme is inappropriate for certain pollutants if they are (a) really toxic, or (b) very locally concentrated. The problem is not whether it passes some society-wide cost benefit balancing, but whether the demands of justice are met for the people who are affected. Mercury checks both boxes — there are hot spots and the highest risk areas can be very geographically concentrated. The people who live there are getting screwed, or to phrase it more libertarian-ly, their property rights (and health) are being trampled without redress.
If memory serves, Bush tried to institute a trading scheme for mercury and was quickly shot down. At any rate, the new mercury rules pass the CBA test. Maybe they’re not equivalent to some theoretical ideal policy, but they’re a hell of a lot better than the status quo.Report
While I agree that sufficiently toxic substances would merit more direct regulation, I don’t know if mercury is toxic enough. A substance would have to be dangerous enough that exposure is akin to assault before I’d be comfortable with doing this that way rather than just by imposing a tax (bear in mind that the more damaging the pollutant is, the higher this tax should be). And when direct regulation is called for I would favour emissions standards over prescribed methods of preventing emissions, though if I’m reading that EPA document right, that’s more-or-less what they’re doing.
Oh sure, they probably are better than the status quo. It’s hard to say since I have no idea what the status quo is, but assuming the BCA was performed properly, I expect it is.Report
The problem I see with this is that any notion of “toxic enough” has more to do with the dose and the details of the exposure than just the identity of the pollutant. A big dose of mercury to a developing infant is pretty toxic, while a small dose to a healthy adult is probably no big deal. So how do you define “toxic enough”?Report
Well I wouldn’t define “toxic enough” you’d want a toxicologist to do that. The general principle though would be that it would have to have a fairly high change of causing harm from a single exposure.Report
Thanks for the post, James K. It’s so nice to read a libertarian actually engaging with environmental issues — mostly it seems they either (1) ignore the topic, (2) take a non-libertarian position, or (3) mumble something about ‘courts and torts.’
I’m curious if you know of any other libertarians who write about the environment? Any recommendations?
On bad days I share your pessimism about a global deal on climate (at least for the moment), but I don’t think we should abandon all hope on switching over to clean energy production before we’ve even taken the first steps. There are a lot of scenarios that don’t involve a massive global treaty as a necessary pre-condition.Report
Thanks Tim, I’m glad you liked it.
Unfortunately I can’t think of anyone else. Ron Bailey at Reason covers some of this stuff, since his beat is science generally, but that’s about it. That’s one of the reasons I wanted to do this.
This is true. Maybe we’ll get the technology we need before the wheels fall off. If alternative energy gets cheap enough the transition to low-carbon will be cheap enough that people will do it without kicking up too much fuss. It’s not that I think we’re doomed, I just think there’s very little governments can do (beyond encouraging research, and in a pinch geoengineering) to stave off any doom that happens to be coming our way on this issue.Report
One policy area where governments can help is by helping people realize gains from energy efficiency. I used to rent a house that was a huge energy leak, with old windows and roof and an inch gap under the front door that we would stuff with a towel in the winter. It had been that way for decades since neither the renters nor the landlord had incentive to fix it. The landlord didn’t pay the heating bill and the renters weren’t going to pay for capital improvements on a house they didn’t own and were only renting short-term. Probably hundreds of dollars each year just lying there on the sidewalk (as the old joke goes). Various policy pushes would help with stuff like this and it would save people money, so it shouldn’t (in theory) be controversial.Report
There may be some potential for gains there.Report
In the UK power companies promote this kind of efficiency with various discounts and promotions. I’m not sure how much government push there is in the background but given the companies incentive to keep costs down it may not need to be much and the resulting competition to attract customers at least looks like a libertarian solution.Report
Tim,
There aren’t a lot of libertarians writing seriously about environmental issues, but you can check out the Property and Environment Research Center (perc.org) and the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment (free-eco.org/”).Report
Thanks! I’ll check them out.Report