Few people actually care about partisanship
Unlike quite a few of my liberal fellow-travelers, I think Megan McArdle is a pretty decent econ-blogger. That said, she tends to stumble a little bit when it comes to political prognostication:
I now put the chances of a substantial health care bill passing at 75%, and the chances of the Democrats losing the house in 2010 at about 66%. […]
I think that ramming through the bill on a party line vote makes it very likely that the Democrats will lose the house in 2010; the American public doesn’t like uniparty votes, especially on something this controversial. A lot of liberals have gotten angry at me for saying this, but it’s not a normative statement; it’s an observation. IF the Republicans had been willing to push forward on a controversial bill with no Democratic cover, we’d have private social security accounts right now. But they weren’t, for a reason.
Megan’s right to say that the American people don’t particularly like party-line votes (which is why Obama found success railing against them and other forms of “partisan excess”), but she’s wrong to think that this has any bearing on the public’s electoral preferences. For the most part, voters are completely uninterested in the details of legislative action; in the eyes of most voters, how something is passed matters far less than whether something is passed. That is, voters regularly express their preference for bipartisan legislation, but in practice, they could care less about who is responsible for what. You can see this in how voters apportion blame/success for failed/successful policies: that the Iraq War was a thoroughly bipartisan enterprise had absolutely no bearing on the electoral consequences of the war. The war was started by a Republican president, and as such, voters hold the Republican Party responsible for its failures. Likewise, welfare reform was a political winner for Democrats despite the fact that it was largely a Republican initative.
If Democrats ram a health care bill through Congress, I really doubt that it will have any impact on their electoral fortunes, especially if the bill is successful in the short-term. In that case, any concerns about partisanship will be eclipsed by the fact that Americans really really want health care reform. Insofar that accusations of partisanship can ever be effective, it’s when the party in question is already unpopular. Voters will readily accept excessive partisanship as an explanation for failed policies, even if their original dissatisfaction had more to do with the failed policies than it did with any concerns over partisanship (see: Obama 2008).
I agree with this 100%.
The seeds for why Republicans are fighting tooth/nail are contained within as well. There is no, absolutely no, (political) upside for compromise to get a handful of conservative riders attached.
Additionally, if no Republicans have their name attached to the bill, there is no (political) downside for the Republicans when folks above a certain age start getting fliers explaining how the new Medicare bill will mean that we all will save money because co-pays will be going up by $X or that being assigned a much more local doctor will save everyone time and the fact that you won’t be forced to choose your doctor anymore will mean more savings on overhead for everyone.Report
I said the same thing but not quite as nicely as you last week.Report
Health care reform will be a done deal by 2010.
And by the time 2010 comes around, we’ll be discussing immigration and deep in investigations over the nasty little things done by VP Cheney.
Republican base gone nuts is the likely result. I predict Republican losses coming from center-right folks disgusted into staying home in a mid-term election.Report
Agree in general. If the Dems get something out that people consider substantive their base is going to be inspired and turn out well. Frankly the Republican disarray at this point seems significant. Can anyone tell me who the Republican appointed successor is? McCain is done. But I don’t see an obvious heir. Isn’t orderly succession how it’s usually done on that side of the aisle?Report
Bush redefined the party.Report
There’s a lot of players out there. How things look in 2011 will determine if the Right picks a strong contendor or a sacraficial lamb.Report
It’s too soon to tell. If nobody new shows up it could be Palin, Romney, or Huckabee (between those three, I’d predict Romney; Palin’s too unpopular and Romney, unlike the other two, can counterfeit being a moderate), but with three years could go it could also be someone completely new. I don’t think in 2005 many people would have predicted Obama as the Democratic candidate.Report
To respond to the orginal post: I’m curious about a couple of things. Democrats seem to believe that the public will forgive them for a partisan vote. Fair enough. But isn’t that supposing that everything turns out like roses? I mean, yes, it’s probably going to be hard to determine if it was a successful bill by next year’s election, but a lot more analysis will be done. More details are going to be out there. just like the stimulus, opinions will be formed and while some who might be effected negatively by the bill won’t have suffered yet, some who will benefit won’t have…and something tells me they have less patience.
Perception of the bill and it’s ultimate success will determine Democratic chances in 2010 and 2012. Given the way Democrat’s sought the political cover of bipartisanship, i’m not convinced they believe it will succeed, which means there’s at least a 50/50 chance it won’t.Report
I’m not convinced of this. I think the President wants bipartisanship because that’s his shtick/MO, also because I think Presidents have institutional incentives to prefer bipartisan bills. I think saavy Democratic Senators wanted bipartisanship because they think (and probably would) get more of the reform they want through normal legislative processes than they might down the risky road of reconciliation.
Finally, I think the Blue Dog Dems have their own sometimes mystifying calculus of why they’re seeking bipartisanship, surely some so they can get the Republicans to ask for things they want but don’t want to be on record asking for. Or to keep their seats. Who can fathom the mind of a BDD?
Either way, I’m not convinced that the political incentives and relatively low risk, high reward outlay for a bipartisan bill reflects so directly on a Democratic fear that they might be wrong. I’d be willing to bet good money that the time between today and the last time anyone on the hill feared they might be wrong more than the illusion of being wrong could be measured in decades, if not quarter-centuries.
If you were talking about the optical success of the bill and not substantive success, Mike, than strike the last (three paragraphs).Report
With Jaybird, total agreement here.Report
The commie-Dems can have a ‘health care’ bill anytime they want. History will tell us if they pay a price. I think it all depends on how far to the left the American public have swung.
I do know the congressional commie-Dems are real goosey back in their districts which kind of indicates they know they’re stepping in dog doo.
The POTUS’s goal, of course, is to wreck the economy and create the people’s paradise outta the ashes, think Yugoslavia (1948).Report
That explains the scrapping of the missile defense in East Europe. Obama must have cut a deal with Putin to swap the missile system for a whole bunch of crates of those swank old soviet uniforms under the table. Made with real cotton too.Report
Commie-Dems? Really? Trolling again Bobbo?Report
“The POTUS’s goal, of course, is to wreck the economy”
That seems plausible.Report
Commie-dems?
No wonder the corporatist-repubs can’t win elections.Report
Be nice to Bob. He’s our local provacateur.Report
Seriously though I don’t think that the affairs on the healthcare bill will be clear enough in 2012 to necessarily define the election unless it’s a huge stinker or a real gem. Since I anticipate that it will be a muddle somewhere between the extremes I’m guessing that barring a black swan the election will hinge on the economy. If the green shoots we’ve been seeing turn into full fledged trees that’ll give the dems a hugely powerful narrative.Report
Especially true since most of it isn’t due to phase in until 2013.Report
“Decent” does not mean good.Report