30 thoughts on “The Weekly Standard pulls a Cully Stimson

  1. Well done.
    But how many times does Weekly Standard, caught up in its ideological zeal, get to screw up before it is rightfully treated along the same lines as, say, World Net Daily?Report

  2. I’m really glad you’ve brought up the issue of foreign nationals. When we start talking about denying legal procedures to captured combatants as non-citizens, the first question I have is where does this leave refugees?Report

    1. Habeas applies to citizens and non-citizens alike, at least it should. I think the law is still on the books with respect to being able to deprive habeas rights to foreigners on US soil (since the al Marri case was withdrawn) but it would surprise me to see that take place. I could be wrong though.Report

      1. Foreigners have due process rights, and not even Scalia would say they don’t if they’re detained inside the US. (see his dissent in Boumediene)

        As for refugees, the way the Boumediene decision was written, it’s likely that they’d fall under the same broad heading and be allowed a habeas hearing.Report

  3. Well you’re talking about a bunch of different things here, but about the Stimson thing in particular, I never got why it was such a big deal.

    If AQ can afford it, they can spend $500/hr and hire Barry Scheck. If they can’t, they can hire somebody out of the phone book who makes a living defending DUI cases. In any case, one thing the WoT defendants don’t need is free representation from our law faculties and prominent firms.

    Pro bono is actually short for pro bono publico, and I can’t see how the public is better off for their work.Report

    1. Stimson was interviewed in his capacity as a government official working for an administration that was actively litigating many key cases against many of the people and firms he was specifically discussing. It was a completely inappropriate thing for someone in charge of detainee affairs at Gitmo and a former JAG lawyer. He should have known better.

      In any case, one thing the WoT defendants don’t need is free representation from our law faculties and prominent firms.

      Defined how? What do you think determines need? Are you a lawyer? If law professors decide to take on pro-bono work based on the belief that they think they have a winnable case and the defendant chooses to have this attorney represent him/her, so be it.

      Pro bono is actually short for pro bono publico, and I can’t see how the public is better off for their work.

      Can you please elaborate?Report

      1. The benefit of the community, ie, “pro bono publico”. If the accused terrorists/criminals want to have attorneys represent them, let em hire somebody out of the phone book. It’s not like there’s a shortage.Report

        1. It’s very much for the good of the public that the rule of law and the Constitution are defended by those best suited do it and if those people are in our universities, than they are the ones who should petition their cases in a court of law.

          Is defending the Constitution against government overreaching not in our interest?Report

          1. Great. Then the professors and the can represent indigent capital defendants, drunk drivers, deadbeat dads, insurance scammers, and the like. That way, they can build a history of case law the court-appointed public defender can cite in defense of KSM or whoever.Report

            1. On occasion, they do. The case of Anthony Porter was one such time where a law professor worked to get a wrongfully convicted death row inmate freed. Should we complain about that too?Report

              1. I simply told you that on occasion, law professors do represent other clientele than Guantanamo detainees and I’m sure they will continue to do so long after Guantanamo becomes an afterthought in our minds.

                Am I missing something?Report

              2. “I simply told you that on occasion, law professors do represent other clientele ….”

                Which is in general ok, like I mentioned in my prior comment.Report

              3. Yet, you take issue with law professors and other attorneys working pro bono on behalf of a specific sort of defendant? Even if those are the attorneys best qualified to represent that defendant?

                Is that what you are saying?Report

              4. “Yet, you take issue with law professors and other attorneys working pro bono on behalf of a specific sort of defendant?”

                Yes (to the extent that such people are defendants at all, which in many cases they’re not).Report

  4. “Surely the Constitution doesn’t mean *THAT*!!!”

    This is why I vote for the crazy people party. The two parties dedicated to sanity just don’t do it for me.Report

  5. Dave,

    Excellent post. We had an interesting back and forth on which rights accused terrorists must be afforded over at our site (some frequenters of Ordinary Gentlemen participated). I’m sure you are busy, but I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on the debate.

    The link is here.Report

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