just for a little context
I linked to Jon Chait’s epic takedown of Ayn Rand previously. Will Wilkinson responded here. I didn’t think that Wilkinson’s response was up to the challenge of convincingly disputing Chait’s piece, and I particularly felt that Wilkinson was more complaining about Chait examining Rand in a way contrary to how Wilkinson would like her to be considered than anything else. But then, I am certainly not an neutral observer. Wilkinson, it’s worth saying, is himself critical of Rand, although he maintains a defensiveness about her that I think is misplaced and driven by emotionalism.
The thing is that, even were I to accept all of Wilkinson’s defenses of Rand, I couldn’t close myself off to what experience tells me about how popular Wilkinson’s conception of Rand’s ideas is among Objectivists. My personal experiences dealing with Objectivists, and from what I have read and heard, is that they are very much in favor of the kind of crude readings of poverty, wealth and their relationship with virtue that Wilkinson denies. I can’t say this with any kind of statistical certainty, but my brief surveys of various Objectivist websites and videos seems to indicate that very straightforward, black and white equivalences between wealth and virtue, and poverty and lack of virtue, are exactly what are most celebrated about Rand by many Objectivists. The naked and explicit “poor people deserve it” attitude that is promulgated among many Objectivists is, I take it, precisely the appeal.
Take, for example, Objectivist Youtube star “Mr. Cropper,” who, when he isn’t asserting that Objectivist philosophy disproves modern science (and Objectivist takes on physics and cosmology richly deserve more public ridicule than they have been exposed to), explains quite heatedly that poor people want to be poor and that the deserve to be.
My point is that Will Wilkinson is a bright, compassionate person with a discriminating eye for philosophical nuance, and a man deeply dedicated to the task of human liberation. Many Objectivists– most that I have met or read, though I do admit and caution that this is anecdotal and incomplete– many Objectivists are not nuanced, and not self-critical, and not interested in eliminating human need. This isn’t a criticism of Ayn Rand, really, but it is a request for placing beliefs about her teachings in the larger context of how many of her followers understand her. (And this is equally a caution for me, as I have to place whatever small sympathies I have with Karl Marx in a context where many of his followers, historically, were frankly monstrous.)
Oh, as for Mr. Cropper, he is apparently now sleeping on his brother’s floor. Hey, man. Lifestyle choices!
You write that “Objectivist takes on physics and cosmology richly deserve more public ridicule than they have been exposed to”, and link to YouTube for a representative sample.
This is totally new to me and I agree, this deserves more exposure. “Objectivist”, if you’ve never heard the term, doesn’t sound particularly bad, but it appears to deny empirical results at the quantum level. Or rather, it takes a pro EPR-paradox view that there are yet-to-be-discovered hidden variables that, if properly understood, can be part of a calculus that makes the universe’s progress absolutely predetermined. That’s a kind of thinking that was part of the Classical Physics era of the 19th century: the universe is made up of some basic “things” that move along trajectories that are calculable.
Emotionally satisfying on one level: the universe is comprehendible by us mere humans (which might be a step towards us becoming gods). And it’s also neat and tidy.
I used to think that way during my teenage years. I was enthralled by calculus and read that Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Dalton, and Faraday pretty much figured it all out – except for those pesky situations at the very small scale (subatomic ‘particles’) and the extremely large (with gravity). Well, those uncommon situations – uncommon in daily macro-scale life – are still part of nature and cannot be ignored no matter how much one desires a Popular Mechanics understanding of the universe.Report
Anyone with the name “Quiddity” is someone we must read and not critique. Objectivism seems singularly intent on mucking up (hypostatizing) the transcendent pole of human existence while adding just a pinch of gnostic hubris and a dash slavish devotion to Kant’s derailed paradigm that defined the noumena and phenomena as substantially different. In other words (and thank you for allowing me to get that out!) Objectivism more closely resembles the failed ideologies of the past century, ever reflective of the “proton pseudos”, than it does any effort to understand man as being with the possibility of nous (reason), or the self-manifestation of the divine in human consciousness.
Will someone give me an Amen?Report
Bob, I’m going to shout out an Amen because you earned it the instant you managed to put hypostatizing into a sentence with gnostic, noumena and phenoumena and not sound like a crazy man. Amen!Report
Chait nicely shortens his critique of Rand and her fellow-travelers with these seven words, “They would rather be vain than grateful.”Report
The Big Question is how to combine Incentive with Fairness and both with Sustainability. The Objectivists get nowhere near in their answers!Report
Bruce my man, that is the most delightfully succinct summary of the marxism-capitalism spectrum I’ve ever read. I tip my monocle to you.Report
It’s a good question, but one not likely to give pause to Randians. Just too much social context. “Fairness,” what a crock!Report
Well yes Bob, but that’s to be expected. Randians came about as a reaction to the excesses caused by marxist dogmas which hold fairness as the ultimate and incentive as a crock. So of course Randianism would dismiss fairness and embrace incentive. It’s an extremist position but that isn’t to say there isn’t value in it.Report
It’s good to have them around (not too many, of course).
But if one is going to be plagued by critics, it’s best if at least some of them have read a book before.Report
Indeed, this is also why it’s good to keep a handful of Marxists around as well.Report
It’s also good to keep a handful of Libertarians around as well.Report
For tech support, if nothing else.Report
I’ve long thought that Objectivism is best understood as reaction to Stalinism.
When I meet objectivists who don’t understand it as such, well… they’d probably make decent DMs.Report
Yeah, I agree– I have sympathy for Ayn Rand, and a kind of respect with many reservations. Part of the problem is that she would have absolutely no respect or sympathy for me. But then I shouldn’t let that change how I feel. You’re absolutely right– it would be irresponsible and unfair for me to fail to consider Objectivism as a response to Stalinism from someone who lived underneath it.Report
Fewer and fewer of those types around, anymore.Report
Question:
Would you put YOUR kid in an Objectivist kindergarten?Report
Would it be significantly cheaper than Montessori?
Because, lemme tell ya, those people won’t be happy until your corpse is sucked dry.Report
Well I guess that set of exchanges suggests the Objectivists couldn’t see beyond their reaction to Marxism. Shame that Greenspan couldn’t either!Report
It’s like e e cummings. Love him or hate him, he wasn’t a hack.
It’s the millions of people who picked his book up and said “I NEED TO START LIVING THIS WAY!” and then writing poems like that that were predominantly hacks… to the point where encountering a poem by e e cummings immediately makes bile rise into your throat… not because his poem is bad (it probably isn’t) but because it reminds you of the thousand bad copies of that poem you’ve read.
And you hate him. You hate him not for him, but because of his followers.
Like Marx, I suppose. Or Jesus.
Rand has the same thing going on. Her followers, if you ask me, seem to have a lot more of the “harmless” thing going on than those other white males… but I would say that, wouldn’t I?Report
“Or Jesus.”
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First I’ve ever heard of Jesus being described as a “white male.” Chances are, Jesus was as much of a white male as Arafat. Or any Sephardic Jew, for that matter.
Interesting what that construction of “whiteness” reveals…and I don’t mean that in a snarky way at all, actually.Report
Jesus gets depicted as a white dude all the dang time. 🙂
With blue eyes, to boot.
That said, I’ve never heard Rand called a “white male” either…Report