The Specific Problem of Hipster Irony
In the New York Times’s ongoing philosophy column, The Stone, Christy Wampole informs us “How to Live Without Irony.” Actually, the more accurate headline would be “Why We Should Live Without Hipster Irony.” Her plea is mostly convincing, if familiar. Her upshot is that irony is a self-defense mechanism that protects one from criticism. If one is sincere, one may be criticized and found wanting. She bemoans the fact that being a hipster shields one from committing fully to life, or from trying and failing. Let’s be sincere, she pleads. I for one, can’t argue with that.
The column is a bit off in some ways, however, and there is much else that should be said about both irony general, and the particular version that is hipster irony.
First, she recalls a Gen-X 1990s as devoid of irony. I find that so strange. I was there, too (born in 1973 ohmygodI’malmost40). We all seemed pretty ironic to me. My peers wore T-shirts printed with New Kids on the Block rather than Justin Bieber. They also mimicked childish fashion. Women wore backpacks with stuffed animals peeking out of them. They had velvet Elvis paintings on the walls. Wampole mentions that the supposedly sincere 1990s were bracketed by two collapses: the Berlin Wall and the World Trade Center. Wasn’t it the latter that made Graydon Carter wrongly declare 2001 the moment of the death of irony? We thought of ourselves as pretty ironic, back then, pre-2001. Wampole recalls the 1990s as a time of greater campus feminism. Which is almost certainly true. But (and I haven’t seen studies on this) it’s not obvious to me it was a time of greater campus activism or sincerity. In the past 8 years that I have been teaching undergraduates, I’ve seen students get pretty worked up and sincere over Darfur, the environment, gay marriage, or in particular, electing Obama.
Second, bizarrely, she seems to attribute the rise of dictators to irony. At least, I think that’s what she’s saying:
This ironic ethos can lead to a vacuity and vapidity of the individual and collective psyche. Historically, vacuums eventually have been filled by something — more often than not, a hazardous something. Fundamentalists are never ironists; dictators are never ironists; people who move things in the political landscape, regardless of the sides they choose, are never ironists.
Of all my worries about hipsters, the worry that they might lead to a new dictatorship is fairly low on the list. I mean, I guess dictators and fundamentalists aren’t very ironic. But how does that mean that irony created “vacuums” that were filled by dictators and fundamentalists? When in history did ironic culture clearly cause the rise of a dictator or fundamentalist movement? It’s one thing to say that ironists tend not to be passionate, and it is the passionate people who get things done. Granted. But this vacuum stuff is tenuous, at best.
Also, she never mentions something which strikes me as a very significant aspect of the hipster version of irony: its sense of contempt. So many of the trappings of irony, e.g., the trucker hats — which are, I suppose, old hat (ha) for hipsters, but I’m a suburban mother and can’t keep up with these things — the mustaches, the bad musical act T-shirts, etc., are the genuine preferences of lower class people. Or of people who have not managed to update their taste. Wearing such things with air quotes is to feel superior to the schmucks who wear them sincerely. Take how Wampole describes her gift-giving habits:
I often give what in the past would have been accepted only at a White Elephant gift exchange: a kitschy painting from a thrift store, a coffee mug with flashy images of “Texas, the Lone Star State,” plastic Mexican wrestler figures. Good for a chuckle in the moment, but worth little in the long term.
Why are these products worth a chuckle? Because no one with upper class taste would choose them. They aren’t produced for upper class people to give as joke gifts, and if they were, it would not be ironic to buy them. These products are made for lower class people who might like them sincerely. It’s funny because she doesn’t have such crappy taste as poor people.
After citing dictators, fundamentalists, and political movers and shakers (hazardous people more often than not, she says) as examples of non-ironic living, she says something else perhaps unintentionally interesting:
Where can we find other examples of nonironic living? What does it look like? Nonironic models include very young children, elderly people, deeply religious people, people with severe mental or physical disabilities, people who have suffered, and those from economically or politically challenged places where seriousness is the governing state of mind. My friend Robert Pogue Harrison put it this way in a recent conversation: “Wherever the real imposes itself, it tends to dissipate the fogs of irony.”
Observe a 4-year-old child going through her daily life. You will not find the slightest bit of irony in her behavior. She has not, so to speak, taken on the veil of irony. She likes what she likes and declares it without dissimulation. She is not particularly conscious of the scrutiny of others. She does not hide behind indirect language. The most pure nonironic models in life, however, are to be found in nature: animals and plants are exempt from irony, which exists only where the human dwells.
What should we make of this list of those whom we are to emulate? Besides dictators and very religious people (specified as more hazardous than not), her list of the non-ironic comprises mental beings without full rationality, plants (huh? Why do plants even make it on the list? She forgot pencils and traffic lights…), poor people, and people facing difficulties. Forget about the “real imposing itself” or any other overdramatic language, which I’m guessing doesn’t mean very much to a 4-year-old, or a person with severe mental disabilities. She seems unaware that her list indicates that hipster irony is for smart people. Smart rich-enough people with leisure time. Hipster irony is an upper class statement, just as much as a snazzy car used to be. But a snazzy car is now, in some circles, a bit of a lower class statement. You may have money, but money can’t buy taste or intelligence. Displaying money is for lower class people who happen to get money. Hipster irony, on the other hand, means, “I am not stupid, blindly religious, disabled, deluded. Nor am I as tasteless as [shudder] poor people. Whether or not I have money, I am upper class.” It is no accident, I think, that her list of the non-ironic people in the world is to a degree co-extensive with the targets of hipster irony: children, religious people, poor people.
Also, Wampole tends to paint irony with one brush. She mentions in passing its usefulesness against dictators and fundamentalists. But there’s more to it than that. I am completely in favor of ironic humor in a general sense. I think it is very valuable for taking the sting out of painful situations in everyday life. Contra Wampole, I know my family made it through our most difficult times, when “the real imposed itself,” partly through ironic humor. And we still do. It’s a way of communicating the pain you feel a little bit, but don’t endorse whole-heartedly. You get it off your chest, and laugh it off. It takes away its power over your mental life. And in public life, irony doesn’t cause dictatorships. It’s politically helpful. The world is a better place for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
Irony itself is not the problem. The target of irony is, as is the psychological reason for doing it. Are you using irony as A) a necessary coping mechanism, or B) a way of avoiding decisions and confrontations and commitments? Are you using it as A) a way of speaking truth to power, or B) a way of feeling superior to those less fortunate? If your answer is B in either case, as I think it is with the usual hipster irony, then it is indeed something we ought, as Wampole suggests, to learn to live without — on pain of not growing up and not learning true humility. But I disagree with Wampole on another point. One should not strive to be like a 4-year-old. The point is to be able to be (sometimes) as sincere as a 4-year-old even while knowing what a 4-year-old does not: that you might try and fail, that other people may not like you, that other people may not like your taste or your work, that you may get criticized. But you will get things done.
Yes.
Although my 3-year-old sometimes seems to show flashes of irony. (Should I be worried?)Report
i wish mine would graduate to irony. right now we seem to be stuck on a good year’s worth of situationist antinomian insurrection and scatological surrealism that is, quite frankly, starting to take its toll on my sanity.Report
“A) a way of speaking truth to power”
I find that, after successive rounds of employing irony to do this, if the problem persists, which it almost always does, other tactics must ensue.
To the hipster as anti-activist, I think the use of irony is often the result of laziness, as in: I could try and fail to do something about X, but if I just make a clever meme or meta-comentary about it I can get home in time to make gifs from that night’s episode of mad men.Report
Roger that, EC.
“The ironists, seeing through everything, made it difficult for anyone to see anything.”–Roger RosenblattReport
Considering your observations on Generation X and my general idea that hipsters are merely a continuation of Generation X, this does raise a question:
How much of this “irony” is a product of economic anxiety in the face of being young during a bad economy?
The prime Gen Xers graduated college during the recession of the early 1990s, when I graduated college 10 years later it was during the recession caused by the tech boom, now young people are graduating college during or in the shadow of The Great Recession and the loop-sided recovery of the Great Recession.
I remember during the early 1990s that there was a lot of talk in the media about how Gen X “would be the first generation of Americans to be worse of than their parents” The same was said when I graduated college and the same is being said now. This is combined with the general dread of perpetual student loan debt for many people. Obviously some to many Generation Xers are doing okay to good compared to the recession they graduated into but others bemoan how things happened later for them.
The only non-ironic cohort seems to be those of Tech Bubbles 1.0 and 2.0 respectively. 2.0 is going on strong. The arrival of twitter and other companies in SF is causing rents to be jacked up considerably.
So middle to upper-middle class young people are very anxious about whether they will experience that kind of lifestyle ever again. Could this produce a mocking (and wrong) but pre-emptive embrace of blue collar culture with irony in air quotes? Could these very educated young people wonder about whether they will be part of a new economic landscape and never leave their underemployed status?Report
Excellent post. Irony as a statement of superiority gets to the heart of what’s annoying about hipsterism.
I can kind of understand what Wampole is getting at with the comment about dictators, but she’s off the mark. People who are disaffected, who want something to believe in but can’t find it, tend to be susceptible to charismatic figures and cults of personality. When a country or generation or era is going through a crisis where they’ve lost hold of old value systems and have yet to replace them with new ones, that’s a state of valuelessness that’s dangerous. People whose self-identification revolves around the deliberate decision to not take anything seriously don’t produce that kind of danger.Report
We are what we pretend to be. Something something.
One thing I’ve found with my handful of friends who, for whatever reason, found themselves watching pro wrestling. The first handful of times, it’s done ironically. “That punch was so fake! That dropkick didn’t even touch the other guy!!!”, over time, becomes “I like how he does that dance before doing his finishing move” and, eventually, “the producer screwed that up… he should have chosen a different camera to show that particular dropkick.”
They started doing it ironically. Next thing they knew, they were merely doing it.Report
She lost all credibility with me when she made reference to an irony-free 1990s. Unless I was quite the cultural outlier, irony was everywhere.
Also, David Foster Wallace got there first.
[Edited to add: Also “The Simpsons.”]Report
Or any episode of Daria.Report
Hipsters have mostly been outside of my perception until very recently, probably because I’ve always lived in areas that were authentically poor. Anyway, we started getting them here about a year or two ago and I sort of connected the gripes and jokes I’d heard about hipsters to actual people. That said, they just strike me as a somewhat more unhappy version of yuppies. My wife and I went to a party last month where there were some real life hipsters and, aside from the fact that they seemed wrapped up in things that were bizarrely trivial, I was most struck by how deeply unhappy they were. Everything was a problem to them. If there’s a reason to dislike them, it’s that they’re a buzzkill.
Note: I agree about the post- it says what I’m trying to say but more more clearly, thus I like it.Report
The only self-professed hipster I’ve ever know was a young woman I used to work with. When she explained that she did X, Y, or Z because she was a hipster, my (silent) reaction was invariably, “No, you do those things because you’re 24.” For what it’s worth, she was also extremely intelligent and diligent, and was deservedly promoted several times within a couple of years.Report
Wait, people actually call themselves “hipsters”? I thought it was something one was called by others, not a label one claims for one’s self.
How deeply lame.Report
They do. Ironically, of course.Report
This all makes my head hurt.Report
If you can’t hang, I guess you’ll have to go back to that “healing the sick” thing. Whatever.Report
of course they do.Report
At least here in San Francisco, there were hipsters around in the late 90’s and early 00’s with most of the trimmings: PBR, mustaches, wifebeater tees, aviator shades, etc… I’m not sure if the irony part of it was fully formed then, but it was definitely a self conscious sort of scene. O so sophisticated kids dressing up as white trash most every night at the Zeitgeist. That scene disappeared for a half dozen years after the dotcom bubble finished popping only to return fully formed. Did anyone else find this in their city?
I have 2 tangentially related thoughts: First, how much of that initial mini-hipster wave had to do with our Gen X fascination with obscure pop culture references – and does that make it less ironic? I remember the 90’s as being plenty ironic, too, but maybe it was all simply less intentional.
Second, and this may just be me, but doesn’t the music popular with the hipsters seem achingly sincere? Or is this another great irony?Report
Zeitgeist is my second to least favorite bar in SF. They have a good beer selection but I hate the music and decor.
I supposed I first noticed hipsters during my junior year of college which was 2000-2001. Though at the time, I thought of them as just stereotypical art type majors. In 2002, after I graduated I hung out in Williamsburg for the first time and saw Hipster central and got my first taste of the archtype. Williamsburg has gotten more developed and they have fancy condos (my brother lives in one) but it is still Hipster central.
The music is indeed very sincere and I do enjoy it. Many people find it too twee though.Report
I agree with all of that, and bon Iver is indeed too twee for me.
Just a guess, but if you’re thinking Zeitgeist is the second worst bar in SF, then the worst would be….Toronado?Report
Is the Holy Cow still there? And is it still the same meat market it used to be? That’d be my pick for the worst bar in SF back in the late ’80s/early ’90s.
Most awesome was the Armadillo, a biker bar where attitude was strictly shunned.Report
My landlord back when I was just a punk living at Haight and Pierce owned the Armadillo, too. The Holy Cow is still around I think, and I am sure it still sucks.
the Albion, the 500 Club and the Uptown were my usual haunts back then. You know, before the Mission was all mainstream.Report
Heh, we lived on the Panhandle and then up the hill near Buena Vista park. Good times.
And the best Thai restaurant in the city (lower case, I insist) was across the street from Armadillos; Thep Phenom. God, I miss that place. I’ve yet to find a really good Thai restaurant in the Midwest.Report
I like Bon Iver
Tornado is okay. A bit too small. My least favorite Bar in San Francisco is Buckshot. Largely for the reasons mentioned in the post.
Generally though, I am tired of loud bars that blast their music so it makes you strain to talk. I went a place where the music is good but played at a reasonable volume and with a wide selection of beers. The Page is okay. I like La Trappe in North Beach. There is a
a bar in the Mission near the Roxie that I like. I like Alembic, Magnolia, and Local Edition. I like Place PigalleReport
Random thought: the phoniest-seeming thing about Romney is his constant earnestness.Report
Ironically, one can say the same for Al Gore.Report
Was in Austin for the F1 races over the weekend and I can safely say that the only thing worse than a hipster is an aging hipster.Report
Was in Austin for the F1 races
Awesome.Report
2 chances next year in the U.S. James. I highly recommend it. Austin put on a good show and I’ll be curious to see how NJ does.Report
Both unfortunately far from me. I’ll have to content myself with the IRL in Detroit (since I can’t stomach NASCAR, event though MIS is only 20 minutes from my house). But maybe if the Austin contingent here promises to buy me drinks I’ll figure out a way to get there.Report
I’ll buy you a good hipster beer like a (512) Pecan Porter (yes, they actually put the parentheses in the name).Report
That sounds goodReport
It is, actually, if you like dark beers. I had two this weekend at Trudy’s, which is a decidedly non-hipster hangout, and I quite enjoyed them.Report
I don’t drink beer; I drink ale.
So, yes, if I make it down there, sign me up for the Pecan Porter.Report
And I drink doppelbock.Report
Kim, if you’re ever in Austin, I’ll buy you whatever alcoholic beverage you prefer, and we can talk about Sony’s tanks.Report
In Austin I want Dublin Dr. Pepper. 😉Report
I don’t think they make them anymore. But you can get Mexican Coke just about anywhere around here.Report
Was in Austin for the F1 races over the weekend
You and the entirety of Europe. And most of its money.
Austin does hipster as well as any city other than New York, I suspect. Its hippie infrastructure was easily converted into hipster infrastructure. Anyway, I’d say more, but I have to go get some organic eggs at Wheatsville, and then maybe a torta at this great little “authentic” Mexican place I know.Report
We played a game: Guess who is the real euro and who is the hipster euro. Good times.
I read that 35-40% of the attendees were from other countries. Very strong contingent from Mexico. Also Brazil.Report
Let me rephrase the game: Who is the real euro and who is the hipster that has taken on a euro affect. Hard to do until you hear them speak.Report
Hah… I walked into Target and immediately heard Italian being spoken loudly. For a moment, I wasn’t sure where the hell I was. Also, who knew Italians liked Target?Report
The eye-talians were looking for folding chairs, I’d wager.Report
Because the G*DDA*N TSA took theirs away!Report
Just when I thought facial hair was making a comeback those tools showed up with their irony-staches and patchy beards. I swear if they ruin it for the rest of us I’m going to start hurting people.Report
Observe a 4-year-old child going through her daily life. You will not find the slightest bit of irony in her behavior.
And if you move her to a desert island, she will never develop any dependence on the State.Report
I think this article from Paste magazine, while three years old, is relevant:
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2009/12/the-evolution-of-the-hipster-2000-2009.htmlReport
PS ironic mockery is hilarious up until it’s not the stuff you actually care about.Report
There was a great Gore Vidal line about irony that I can’t fishing remember, but it was along the lines of irony being a weaselly way of expressing one’s opinions without having to really express their opinions, so the literary form of “you wouldn’t hit a guy with glasses would ya?”Report
I thought I might be able to find the quote, but when I Googled, I got page after page of people describing Vidal’s works as “ironic”. That’s kind of iron…, I mean, curious.Report
Not sure where it came from:
“Irony is the song of the prisoner who’s come to love his cage.”Report
Stone walls do not a prison make
Nor irony a cageReport
Please let my lack of commenting on your posts, Ms. Woodhouse, not suggest any lack of appreciation on my part. You’re an awesome, thought-provoking contribution to The League. I just lurk way more than I comment.
I was born in ’61. Trailing end of the Boomers. My firstborn in ’88. You and all your sensibilities land smack dab in the middle of all that. For that reason alone I appreciate your take, as a bridge of sorts.
Just so I’m clear, when you refer to “hipsters”, what demographic(s), specifically, are you referring to? I mean, my 21yo daughter [proudly] calls me a hippie and a feminist, but I don’t kid myself: she doesn’t really even know what that means much beyond the single tye-dye shirt I happen to still own.Report
I think Hipsters can roughly be anyone who graduated college between 2002-now or possibly is still in college. Largely it seems to refer to people between the ages of 22-27. They are largely university educated and living in cool urban neighborhoods.Report
Okay.
But … I’m not sure why we need focus on what such a teeny tiny sliver of Americana thinks, above and beyond any other teeny tiny sliver of Americana. Is Rose really speaking to such a teeny tiny sliver? Really? I dunno, maybe she is. But I have a hard time paying much mind to such a sliver when there are much larger slivers, indeed collective chunks, of Americana arguably more worthy of attention.
I echo the Doc: this all makes my head hurt.Report
My reply was meant for New Dealer. I am so not a hipster.Report
Not really. But I do think it’s worth thinking about whether irony itself is inherently problematic or the way it’s done.Report
But I do think it’s worth thinking about whether irony itself is inherently problematic or the way it’s done.
And long dead philosophers are rolling over in their graves.Report
Because of my grammar or the subject matter? If it’s my grammar, I agree. It should be “or if it’s the way it’s done.” if it’s the subject matter, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Starting with Plato and Aristotle, you have discussions about imitating people or playacting and under what circumstances that is beneficial or problematic. Both discuss comedy. And philosophers are always interested in linguistic meaning and other meaning-making. So a case where the literal meaning is the opposite of intended meaning is of interest. How one treats people is also historically kind of a big deal. Whether or not you develop the virtues of, say, courage to be sincere or generosity of spirit or willingness to face and accept criticism – also a big deal.Report
Because of my grammar or the subject matter? If it’s my grammar, I agree … How one treats people is also historically kind of a big deal. Whether or not you develop the virtues of, say, courage to be sincere or generosity of spirit or willingness to face and accept criticism – also a big deal.
No, I don’t ever care about grammatical imperfection on blogs. Despite my editing background -or perhaps because of it?- that stuff has always seemed like petty points made by petty people. (No doubt I’ve committed plenty of grammatical sins myself. Whatever.)
Everything you mention is, I totally agree, a big deal. Has always been a big deal. However, your previous comment seemed to me a belittling of the importance of irony as a means of punctuating said big deals. A misunderstanding on my part, no doubt.
You’re the philosopher, not me– has any prominent philosopher ever actually questioned the inherent worth of irony? I mean, has irony ever seemed to be so inherently problematic that any philosopher has said, “F**k irony, it sucks.” ?
As far as how irony is done … it’s done how it’s done. No? Folks who do it well are recognized as doing it well … and the folks who think they can do it but can’t, are not. Isn’t successful irony as dependent upon perception as it is on delivery?
Gah. My head is officially starting to hurt.Report
I think the point is rather that sometime how irony is done, even if successful, can be harmful (in fact, the harm may be the success, depending on the object). Socrates famously used irony to make people question their preexisting notions of very basic things like the good, knowledge, and the nature of things. Voltaire used irony to make existing political, social, and even philosophical notions look absurd. Some people use irony to avoid having to think about things like that, or much of anything at all besides the price of a couch at Urban Outfitters or which brand of circulation-restrictingly tight jeans to buy. Sometimes irony is subversive, sometimes it’s in the service of power, and sometimes it’s just privileged indifference pretending to be above it all.Report
“Socrates famously used irony to make people question their preexisting notions of very basic things like the good, knowledge, and the nature of things.”
And we all know how well this turned out for Socrates…..Report
Well, what Chris said. I have indeed heard a conference presentation on just irony, but the conclusion wasn’t that it sucks. This NY Times piece, although not by a philosopher,was presented in their philosophy series. And of course, the more general topic of “how should I live my life?” is a philosophical one, and Wampole was making an argument about that. She made a blanket statement that it was not valuable. At the end, I meant to suggest what I would consider irony that is valuable and not valuable.
Just because not many philosophers have addressed it directly does not mean that it doesn’t touch on a lot of important philosophical issues or have important ramifications. We wouldn’t still be in business if it had all been said before.Report
There’s always this. It’s also a fairly common topic in Continental thought.Report
Why does everyone think about the 1960s and remember the Hippies? Most people were probably not true hippies during the 1960s. I had an English teacher in high school who was in his 20s during the 1960s but said he did not hear about Woodstock except for an announcement on the radio during a family dinner. My parents graduated undergrad in 1968 and went straight to work. They liked the music but did not have time to dress or act like a hippie.
Every generation has its archtype and hipster seems to be the one for the current generation. I would say more people can be hipsters than true hippies because the hipster’s landscape is generally urban, there is no contradiction to capitalism, urban farming has replaced the commune, and politics is fought via facebook meme instead of protest.
Plus I suspect people feel that current hipsters will be like the Baby Boomers and dominate the political landscape. My generation (late Gen X) seems more like we will be the Silent Generation politically. We will have Senators and Congress people but no Presidents. No real stars. Lena Dunham’s gang seem to have more media pull and attention. I can’t think of anyone born during 1978-1982 to really command that kind of media attention.Report
“I had an English teacher in high school who was in his 20s during the 1960s but said he did not hear about Woodstock except for an announcement on the radio during a family dinner.”
What? He thought Snoopy lived alone?Report
Every generation has its archtype and hipster seems to be the one for the current generation … Lena Dunham’s gang seem to have more media pull and attention. I can’t think of anyone born during 1978-1982 to really command that kind of media attention.
So, to your mind it’s all about media attention? Lena’s on HBO, notoriously exclusive. How many young folks actually subscribe to HBO? Compared to all HBO subscribers? Compared to Millennials in general? (Neither of my [20-25yo college-educated] kids do. But I do.)
I dunno. Unless and until I see some kind of meaningful demographic measurement re this “hipster” crowd, however defined, it’s more or less just another meme to me.Report
I think it is largely about media attention and the journalistic/pop-sociologist desire to create a grand unified theory called generations and come up with common markers.
This has been going on since the 1920s if not earlier.
It doesn’t matter how many people participate but what the purchasing or eventual purchasing power of said cohort is. Madison Ave eventually learned to co-opt the Hippies and every counter-culture movement since.
Hipsters might be small in numbers but they are creating the bands, the tech innovations like Spotify and Pandora, the new shows and movies. Lena Dunham’s show only has an audience of around 900,000-1,000,000,000 but she gets a damn lot of media attention and is being proclaimed the voice of her generation. She is considered the pulse, the zeitgeist.
I think this goes beyond memes. There are intellectual symposium on hipsters:
http://nplusonemag.com/what-was-hipsterReport
Lena Dunham’s show only has an audience of around 900,000-1,000,000,000 but she gets a damn lot of media attention and is being proclaimed the voice of her generation. She is considered the pulse, the zeitgeist.
I’m old, but I’m not at all trying to be reflexively contrarian here. However, your n+1 article hardly solidifies the hipster as demographically meaningful. And who is it, exactly, that’s proclaiming Dunham as the voice of her generation? I suspect it’s the marketing zeitgeist of HBO. I don’t know a single young person (and I know quite a few) who even know who she is.Report
“I don’t know a single young person (and I know quite a few) who even know who she is.”
This is entirely plausible considering our divided and niched our current media market is. I feel like with most of my media sources, I can’t go a week without seeing someone or some people gush over Lena Dunham. She is the Toast of the Town in my media diet.
Lena Dunham is not the only person who benefits from this. Very few people watch Fox News or Glenn Beck, only a few million on a regular or semi-regular basis. But you would think Fox News has the ear of tens of millions of people if not more. Same with Glenn Beck.
Sometimes it doesn’t matter how many people listen to you but who they are. I imagine that Lena Dunham has a lot of fans who are in very high places or will be one day.Report
To add to ND’s point, hipster tendencies matter because of the share of the conversation they control, the residual effects their trend setting has on other non-hipsters who nonetheless adopt (intentioanlly or not) certain of its attitudes (I’m gona throw out Matt Y. for the sake of controversiality).
Also, they have, as I said in an earlier post, economic mass—-in so far as they have a lot of disposable income (very few obligations) and thus are a not insignificant portion of the consumer population.Report
What hipster tendencies has Matt Y adopted?
Now it would be really interesting to see how much power Matt Y has. In reality, he is just a blogger on one small part of the Internet. Slate probably has decent readership but I can’t imagine that Think Progress.Report
The term Hipster itself is a few decades old. Norman Mailer coined the term in a late 1950s issue of Dissent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Negro
He used it describe affluent white people who co-opted the African-American Jazz culture of the time and before including ventures into Harlem on the weekend for “slumming” purposes.
I am not sure but I wonder if the modern use of the term arose from someone who knew of the original essay and was making a comment on the current Hipster’s tendencies to be gentrifiers of largely minority neighborhoods like The Mission in San Francisco, Williamsburg in Brooklyn, Silver Lake in Los Angeles, etc.Report
I have little problem with the particulars of hipster culture itself. Hell, having grown up a redneck in Tennessee, I just think, “Hey, that’s how I used to dress, except I didn’t know any better.” Plus, vinyl is better, I’m chronically nostalgic, so I don’t mind all the retro fads that come out of hipsterdom, and most of my caps could safely be worn by a trucker. The majority of hipster culture ranges from completely harmless to actually bringing back cool shit that I wish we hadn’t lost in the first place.
My only real issue with it is, as I suggested in the other hipster post, the blind privilege that it asserts. Its play poverty, its silly hipster racism (“Hey, this is my black friend John”), and the fact that I’ve seen it have real impact on neighborhoods bugs me. This is where it’s not harmless.Report
As others have mentioned, irony has been prevalent, all the way back to the origins of the Modern movement. Dada, Surrealism- these guys were plenty ironic.
Which is where I see the room for criticism.
Irony seems to me to be the natural fallback position of the avante-garde, when it has broken the thread of communication with the culture it wants to critique.
Pre-Modern art generally had a dialog with the culture- it often added layers of other meaning, or subtle subversion, but usually there was a back and forth communication between artist and viewer.
Modern art conceptually broke with this- it defines itself in opposition, yet is increasingly marginalized and irrelevant to the culture it critiques; so it can only feign indifference and mockery.Report
Nice post. I actually like the clothes that guy in the picture is wearing though. That’s more of less how I’d dress (beard + flannel shirt) if I didn’t have to please HR types.Report