A Long Drink From The Well of Theocracy
It’s been over twenty-four hours since I wrote about Newt Gingrich, so I’ll complete my trilogy of observations about his insurgency here. I’d be less interested in Gingrich if it didn’t look for all the world like he’s about to win the South Carolina primary. South Carolina voters, at least, seem to like what he’s selling. And the political goods hawked in Gingrich’s shop, if not exactly theocracy, are a flavor of republican democracy that’s been flavored by it. I offer evidence below, from the man’s own words, which I propose demonstrates why he ought not be President — Christianity is more important to him than the American value of religious tolerance.
As is well known, Newt Gingrich was raised Lutheran, became a Southern Baptist when he was in graduate school, and in 2009, converted to Roman Catholicism, thus adopting the faith of his third and current wife. He states that he was moved to join the RCC in part by a visit to the United States by Pope Benedict XVI. Which is a perfectly fine sort of personal spiritual journey, one with which I have no particular quarrel. If believes himself reconciled with his God for his personal sins, well, that’s between him and God. American Catholics commonly divorce and remarry while still unblinkingly professing their faith, so while intellectually it doesn’t seem possible to reconcile Gingrich’s personal life with his avowed faith, it’s also prosaic that such a tension exists. But it’s not the candidate’s personal spiritual journey that concerns me, it’s the spiritual journey he’d attempt to lead the country.
A page of Gingrich’s campaign website is devoted to explicating his platform plank of “Protecting Life and Religious Liberty and Standing Up To Activist Judges,” thus combining three primary sources of seething social conservative resentment of political life into a single political brush stroke. A review of this tells me that his opposition to Obamacare and hostility to judicial independence are informed and motivated by his personal religious faith. The degree to which he’s willing to assault judicial independence exceeds the point of being willing to defy the law itself, suggesting to me that if President Gingrich’s religiously-informed values tell him that something in the current Federal healthcare laws are immoral, he’s willing to break those laws, too.
Gingrich debuted his renewed high public profile by grandstanding against Cordoba House, the “ground zero mosque.” He wrote in July of 2010:
Apologists for radical Islamist hypocrisy are trying to argue that we have to allow the construction of this mosque in order to prove America’s commitment to religious liberty. They say this despite the fact that there are already over 100 mosques in New York City.
In fact, they’re partially correct—this is a test of our commitment to religious liberty. It is a test to see if we have the resolve to face down an ideology that aims to destroy religious liberty in America, and every other freedom we hold dear.
But despite the nonsense-on-its-face equation of the use of government authority to prevent construction of a house of worship with religious liberty, Gingrich pressed on, sensing that by playing on fear of Muslims, he could quickly regain a political profile he’d not enjoyed since his time as Speaker of the House of Representatives. So he pressed on, urging that construction of the mosque and community center be prohibited until and unless Saudi Arabia permitted the building of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues. There is no evidence that the sovereign nation of Saudi Arabia had anything to do with Cordoba House, although of course Gingrich’s Islamophobic grandstanding about CH’s unwillingness to disclose the sources of its funding in the face of no legal obligation to do so, raises that possibility. Interestingly, he has taken down that statement from his political website; a search of the campaign website for the phrase “Cordoba House” produces no hits. But the statement is easy enough to find, and its clarion call to action rings shrill a year and a half after he first made it:
We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years. Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history.
Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.
America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could.
No mosque.
No self deception.
No surrender.
The time to take a stand is now – at this site on this issue.
But the internet remembers, for instance, his likening of the sponsors of the mosque to Nazis (along with similar likenings of President Obama) or remarks he made in June of 2010 when he proposed “a federal law which says no court anywhere in the United States under any circumstance is allowed to consider shari’a as a replacement for American law”* to the American Enterprise Institute in an effort to forestall a “stealh jihad” advanced through the use of “political, cultural, societal, religious, [and] intellectual tools.” Which is funny, because he seems to be perfectly willing to use “political, cultural, societal, religious, [and] intellectual tools” to promote religions he likes. Including, for instance, films produced by his own company.
An enthusiastic counter-insurgent in the non-existent war against Christmas, Gingrich has argued passionately to reinstate the right of Federal employees to wish other people Merry Christmas (never mind that they were always able to do so):
This is actually weird . . . I’ve been investigating this for the last three days. I am told that this is actually a 20- or 30-year-old law, which I have to say I find strange, and I would advocate repealing the law. Apparently if the president sends out Christmas cards, they are paid for the Democratic or Republican National Committees because no federal official at any level is currently allowed to say ‘Merry Christmas.’ And the idea, I think, is that the government should be neutral. … I’m going to go back and find out how was this law written, when was it passed. We’ve had this whole — in my mind — very destructive attitude in the last 50 years that we have to drive religion out of public life.
Now, I cited to PolitiFact above, a site which is not above criticism itself. I think “Pants on Fire” was too strong a rating for this in light of PolitiFact’s own investigation (it found that Congress’ internal rules prohibit sending holiday cards of any sort with the no-cost “franking” privilege, which would include Christmas cards to constituents). But “false” seems right.
“Lacking the remotest shred of credibility” would be the reaction of a rational individual to Gingrich’s contention that the same impulse that leads one to advocate same-sex marriage is also at the root of the nation’s current economic problems:
You have to recognize that free enterprise is based on free people and … free people are based on faith … . The very basis of our belief and freedom is that we believe we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights. The very source of our strength is that we believe these are truths – not theories, not ideologies, not gimmicks, not political consultants, powerpoints – truths, and so there’s a core absolute overlap between free enterprise, freedom and freedom of faith. And if you don’t have freedom of faith in the end you’re not going to have free enterprise because there’s no moral force that defends and protects you.
Maybe if I were a person of faith, that would make more sense to me. But I also wouldn’t want to insult my friends and colleagues who do have faith, because that ought not to make a lot of sense to them, either. Neither should the former Speaker’s contention that secularism – as manifested by taking prayer out of the schools – is at the root of every problem facing our society today: “A country that has been now since 1963 relentlessly in the courts driving God out of public life shouldn’t be surprised at all the problems we have, because we’ve in fact attempted to create a secular country, which I think is frankly a nightmare.” I cannot construct a chain of logic that leads from a finding that the First Amendment does not permit mandatory school prayers in public schools (remember, voluntary prayer is still allowed) to America being mired in a no-win war in Afghanistan, in debt up to the point we’ve had to soberly talk about defaulting on debt service payments, and in fact pretty much whatever other problem we face as a society. Again, this must somehow make sense to Gingrich. I believe I’ve found his best attempt to construct a logical linkage, and it’s not code – it’s just a collection of buzzwords strung together nearly at random.
Nevertheless, this puts me in the same boat as Muslims, Gingrich’s perspective: because I oppose “religion in the public square,” my intent is to destroy all that is good about America. This was not the first time he’d indicated that prayer was an integral part of politics: “I pray before virtually every speech and virtually every major decision,” the former Speaker said this New Year’s Eve.
In March of 2011, Gingrich spoke at an evangelical megachurch in San Antonio, Texas, and hinted darkly, if incoherently, at the grave danger that I and people like me pose to this nation:
I have two grandchildren — Maggie is 11, Robert is 9 … I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they’re my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American.
Translation: won’t someone please think of the children? Query, Mr. Speaker: if the U.S. becomes a “secular atheist country,” then how could it be simultaneously “dominated by radical Islamists”? Don’t radical Islamists want to impose Sharia law? Your presumably Christian grandchildren would at least be entitled to second-class dhimmi status in an Islamified United States; an atheist like me would be completely S.O.L. in a nation “dominated by radical Islamists.” But the idea that the United States will, over the next fifty years or so, become massively secular is difficult to hold seriously. The United States is the most religious industrialized country in the world, and the cultural roots of religion here are deep, protected by the highest and most fundamental law of the land, and effectively, religion is permanently embedded in our society. The idea that by 2068 the U.S. would be even as secular as today’s continental Europe is hard to envision.
When asked about personal faith and governing in Las Vegas a few months ago, Gingrich said that someone like me could not be trusted with high office:
Well, I think if the question is, does faith matter? Absolutely. How can you have a country which is founded on truths which begins we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights? How can you have the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 which says religion, morality and knowledge being important, education matters. That’s the order: religion, morality and knowledge. Now, I happen to think that none of us should rush in judgment of others in the way in which they approach God. And I think that all of us up here I believe would agree. (APPLAUSE) But I think all of us would also agree that there’s a very central part of your faith in how you approach public life. And I, frankly, would be really worried if somebody assured me that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments, because then I’d wonder, where’s your judgment — how can you have judgment if you have no faith? And how can I trust you with power if you don’t pray? (APPLAUSE) Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God. But the notion that you’re endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by America.
Excuse me if I have a bit of trouble being objective about a man who indicates that my own attitude towards matters of faith and the supernatural, deeply and sincerely considered, disqualifies me from a position of leadership in the government of this country. It’s, well, kind of insulting.
This means that not only must you believe that you have a Creator, you must also believe in the right creator. No one else is privileged to participate in American civic life, because no one else can be trusted to have the morals and ethics to do so without crippling our communal ethics. It should come as no surprise that I urge voters to refrain from doing anything that could potentially put a man such as this in the Oval Office. To Mr. Gingrich directly, I say, if you really feel this strongly about religion, you should seek a position in the lay ministry of your new church, not in Washington.
* Subsequently, a similar law at the state level was found to violate the U.S. Constitution.
I wonder what the “historian” Mr. Gingrich thinks about the Barbary Treaties that explicitly state that America isn’t a Christian nation.
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I wonder if the historian has heard of them.Report
Newt did his dissertation on colonialism in the Belgian Congo without ever bothering to travel to the Belgian Congo to do any research. He got drummed out of the history department at the podunk college where he was employed and into the geography department, then he was denied tenure. Given his statements and writings, I’m pretty sure he knows next to nothing about American history. It’s an insult to serious historians everywhere, people who actually give a damn about the facts and their interpretation, that he still calls himself a historian. He’s a charlatan.
I’ll stop foaming at the mouth now.Report
Would that there were a Secular Atheist Party! Part of the charm of being a Christian, by my estimation, is the proposition that God loves us all. Yes, atheists, too. Imagine that. Jesus never condemned anyone for his religion. Plenty of what Jesus had to say about ethics ended with “even the heathens do these things.”
Jesus did, however, have plenty to say the religious authorities of his own day who were conniving with the Romans to stay in power. Something about whitewashed tombs full of dead men’s bones if memory serves.
Newt Gingrich’s religion has never stayed his hand, nor yet any other part of his anatomy, from breaking whichever commandments he felt like breaking at the time. Jesus told us to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, which means we have to pay our taxes, a sore point with me just now, what with having to file both corporate and personal returns. Newt doesn’t have to file his taxes.
When Newt’s confronted with his many sins, he wants to turn the tables, demanding forgiveness. Alas that only God can forgive sins and even He demands repentance, metanoia, a change in direction. I can see no change in Newt’s direction, therefore I do not feel obliged to forgive him anything. He who sins cannot demand Forgiveness. He might be forgiven, were he to own up to his errors. Newt hasn’t quite reached that point.
Hurrah for the atheists, I say. Brave souls, staggering about under the weight of their own stern ethical constructs. They don’t demand forgiveness. No Jedi Mind Tricks for them about the Blood of Jesus, washing away every sin and stain. Being something of a consequentialist myself, I am acutely aware of its shortcomings. This I do know about consequences, nobody, not even God, will save us from our own reputations.Report
All of this was great, Blaise, but count this among those things I wish had penned myself:
“Newt Gingrich’s religion has never stayed his hand, nor yet any other part of his anatomy, from breaking whichever commandments he felt like breaking at the time. “Report
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Would that there were a Secular Atheist Party!
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It’s about time atheists started standing up, really it is. What the atheists really need is better PR as I’ve been saying around here for some time. How tiresomely repetitive I am!
See, if I was writing PR for the atheists, I’d set about finding a proper atheist mystic. I’m sure there must be several good ones, I just don’t know of any. Buddhism should have been that avenue: unfortunately what passes for Buddhism in most quarters looks far too much like a religion to pass muster.
The atheist evangelists could learn a thing or three from religion’s successes and not preach its failures so obstreperously. If God has proven a bad excuse for many evil deeds, atheism could easily circumvent a great deal of nonsense and point to the good things religion’s done and make the point that God didn’t do those things, we did them for each other.
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“I’d set about finding a proper atheist mystic. I’m sure there must be several good ones, I just don’t know of any.”
Carl Sagan? Not an actual atheist according to Wikipedia, but close enough that I’ll take him.Report
I’m not sure it is Christianity that is demonstrably more important to him than the American value of religious tolerance. I rather think it’s the polygamous marriage of Christian truth (as he understands it) to political power and to national identity. Secularism isn’t preventing him from worshiping and otherwise living his faith either individually or communally–it doesn’t stop him or hinder him from being a Christian–but it is seeking to divorce religious faith from the coercive arm of society. For Newt, secularism strikes at the heart of what it means to be an American. It’s unfortunate, because secularism is good for religion and for the state.Report
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I shall attempt a third time. I suggest taking a careful review of your site code, as two previous responses vanished into an error stating “error: please type a comment”.
I do find it interesting that this discussion is still occurring in the American States, given that you colonials over two centuries had a situation wherein a rather vocal and violent minority of you declared a war upon your parental nation and proceeded to establish what was a very secularist government, only now to retroactively seem to be declaring it to be in actually a stealthy christianist government instead.
My own nation has had our other issues with religionist governmental problems, not the least of which is the similar situation of a separatist element on the neighboring island being willing, after constantly losing referenda attempting to secede from our union, to go to violent asymmetrical war to insist that the 70% in their borough who disagree with them go along with the whole secessionist issue anyways. It is also quite amusing that they continue to declare their separatist intent to be the result of religious discrimination, since the head of our own “state church” is a figurehead barely given lip service in our own laws beyond the occasional appearance in the tabloids, ribbon-cutting ceremonies, or the ceremonial greetings of pompous leaders of other nations whether also figureheads or actual figures of some authority in their respective governments.
We also have our own declarations against religious discrimination in our laws, not the least of which is the ECHR made binding by our own Human Rights Act, forbidding the restriction of any citizen from having a religion, changing their religion, adopting a new religion, or worshiping and professing as their religion indicates. I did note with some sadness the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief, which the UN altered from guaranteeing the right to have, change, or adopt a religion to merely the right to have one, an intervention by the remaining theocratic states in the UN that has allowed them quite a bit of freedom to engage in the suppression of minority groups in theocratic states without being held to account for this violation of human rights.Report
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Hey, David, a quick logistical note.
For whatever reason some of your comments are still (obviously) showing up, while some others are being picked up by the spam filter. I have a suspicion that this is caused by your coming in with a “spaminator” address, but I don’t really know.
This has to be a monumental pain in the ass for you, so on behalf of everyone here: apologies. I will try to periodically check the spam filter and search under your name. However, it might just be with that address it’s an ongoing issue.
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IIRC, our complaint against HM George III Hanover’s government was not that was either insufficiently Christian, nor too overbearingly Christian. It had much more to do with the scope of participatory democracy, criminal procedure, and military/civilian relations. Perhaps in your green and pleasant land history is taught differently.
But you raise an interesting example, David — religion and politics mix, all too often, like vinegar and baking (bicarbonate of) soda, creating a smelly, messy, and sometimes violent reaction. On our side of the Pond, we’re very pleased to see the Troubles receding. It is partially out of an abundance of caution that such a state of affairs does not arise here that I write cautionary posts such as these.
And I think I’ve got all the HTML cleaned up, as I noted below.Report
If I was imprecise in my third rendering of my words, Mr. Likko, I should probably clarify. My first two attempts were much longer and hopefully clearer, but I was frustrated when they vanished and attempting to recall from memory both encouraged me to shorten them and introduced a few errors.
I was not insinuating that your revolution was a result of the religion of the King of the time or the religion of its government, though it is probably worth noting that many of you colonials originally emigrated in order to found religious enclaves a continent away from the seat of the Anglican Church. The source of my mirth is instead the fact that your constitutional government and the writings of the violent revolutionaries who were your leaders evoke a definite goal of founding a secularist government that would be neutral to all forms and flavours of religion, and yet two centuries later your political leaders are arguing that your government ought be a christianist government and are decrying your founding secularism as some form of degenerative disease.
I daresay that it is entirely possible that my education in our green and pleasant land walked upon by feet in ancient times, in respect to your own government’s history, may very well be a better education than that which your own citizens receive in regard to the history of the American States.
But I also daresay that in our modern day, we have no desire to build a “Jerusalem” of any sort in our green and pleasant land.Report
And a great song when ELP does it.Report
I suspect that the histories we are each taught are actually quite similar, based on what I’m hearing you say – save, of course, that you can bet you’ll never see that certain group of men referred to as “Founding Fathers” in your text books, nor “the violent revolutionaries” in ours.
Still, I must say that the irony you note is spot on. That being said, you might be overstating the case. We do remain a secular nation by and large. While there are indeed those that wish to make a New Jerusalem, they are a minority. It sometimes seems like there are more of them than there are, because:
a). They are louder and in general better organized than most, and therefore they are basically a “winner take all” voting block
b). from a media standpoint, they are by far the most interesting voting block, and therefore they get a substantial amount of play by the press on the left (looking for a boogeyman), the right (looking for a Heroic Struggle story), and the basic mainstream (looking for good ratings).Report
One of the things TVD gets right is that the founding of this country was almost certainly more religious, and specifically more Christian, than you think, both in its intellectual foundation and in the people who did the founding.Report
This is true. My own arguments have never been that a secular society that allows Muslims and Atheists to hold office and gays to marry was what the Founding Fathers would have wanted. It’s always been that in these areas they were wrong, yet they still gave us the framework that allowed us to work toward these truths.Report
Indeed. If you spend anytime over at American Creation, you will definitely come away with a much more nuanced view of the founders and their thoughts on the whole issue of religion. And those folks over there are dealing with original sources, too.
It definitely was an eye-opener for me to see that it wasn’t as black and white as I might wish it were. Not to say that there isn’t still some disgreement and back and forth about just what the founders meant, but that it is never as conclusive as one side or the other would have you believe.Report
Oh, David. They’ve been at it forever, even those Founding Fathers. George Washington and John Adams (and Randolph Scott!) were installing National Days of Prayer and Fasting. It took Thomas Jefferson to evict these little religious dingleberries from America’s patoot and establish the supremacy of the Supreme Court.Report
Not to digress this thread into a IRA morass, but a nitpick:
The 70% in their borough who disagree with them go along with the whole secessionist issue anyways.
The demographic skew in Northern Ireland is pretty much a direct result of ~100 years of policy. Now, the U.S. has plenty of forced relocations in its history and thus any American ought not to be lobbing any stones here, but stacking the deck precisely to bring about a majority doesn’t give your majority much in the way of weight. This is like swapping out a regular deck of cards for a Pinochle deck and then saying, “Well, those 9s are out of line trying to get all the face cards to see things their way!”
The history of English-Irish relations is a long collection of colossal screwups by both sides, and many of the modern inhabitants are divorced from most of that context, so let’s just say that after 600+ years of tortured relations the status quo is remarkably better than Israel’s relationships with its neighbors and leave it at “European colonialism, on the whole, produced a very mixed bag of results”.Report
The trouble is its not ~100 years of policy, its conservatively at least 400 years of policy. Once policy lasts that long, people think its the natural state of things. Every ethnic division in the world started out as someone’s policy. When Carson and Bonar-Law started making explicit the whole idea that Ulster was different from the rest of Ireland, they weren’t making it up out of whole cloth. They were reifying the 400 years of history that went back to the plantation of Ulster, which for participants who may be less familiar with Irish history occurred at the same time as the initial settlement of Virginia.
That said, in spite of the fact my grandparents are from Ulster and stolid Unionists, I don’t think the partition of Ireland is going to last my lifetime, and that’s a good thing. In truth, the unionist side dislike the British nearly as much as the nationalists do, and that’s really the key. When Martin McGuiness and Ian Paisley Jr are in government together and arguing vehemently about education policy, you know progress has really been made.Report
What you are calling “policy” are the same things as the demographic shifts responsible for the emigration of masses of Irish people to your colonies both preceding and following your “revolutionary war.” Need I remind you that Northern Ireland has not just been given constant chances to secede, but under the terms of the treaty of 1922 after the mainland Irish government were made a part of the Irish nation only to vote themselves back into our union?
I, and most of the people of the union, have no problem with the secessionists continuing to hold a vote on secession every few years. It is their right of self-determination to do so, after all. What I and most well-thinking persons object to is the inevitable wave of violence when these ruffians lose the vote and find out that they are in the minority. It would be rather like if Quebec were to declare a secessionist war upon your neighbors to the north, following their many years of constantly losing their referenda.
As I understand it, you Yanks have it somewhat backwards. When the inevitable turn came for you to respect the right of self-determination of your southern states, you instead went to war to make them remain part of your union. I have always found it amusing, whatever the other circumstances of the war or its relation to the odious institution of slavery that still colours your national dialogue today, that when your time came to respect the right of self-determination of your own states you opted just as HM George III had and waged a terrible and bloody war to prevent them from leaving.
The circumstances of the Irish secessionist war in 1920 were far different, as the Irish representatives had already been granted that which they asked for only to go to war with each other anyways. I could go into it in great depth, far greater than the wikipedia entry you point to, but I shall sum it up as quickly as possible: the people of Northern Ireland have rejected every referendum since the earlier part of the 20th century. They have, when deliberately freed from the union as part of treaty, voted to rejoin the union. That a small and violent minority in one region that does not wish to be part of the Irish state continues to attempt to violently browbeat the majority into doing something it does not wish to do is a problem.
I shall still have to object most strongly to your attempt to blame “policy” for a series of demographical shifts that had more to do with events such as the great potato famine. It is also important to point out that the policy of the union since well before your bloody American Civil War had long dissolved the structural differences making the Catholics into second-class citizens and that we had engaged in extensive programmes to right the economic wrongs committed and help the Catholics to buy back the land they had lost under such policies.Report
The evangelical dilemma, adulterer or Mormon?Report
Adulterer, every time. Case in point, Ronald Reagan.Report
This is the most awesome WWJD question ever.Report
You should put that on a T-shirt!Report
And as the great American statesman Thomas Jefferson once said: “If my neighbor worships twenty gods or no god, it totally picks my pocket and breaks my leg”.Report
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I am appalled by how much this made me giggle.Report
Burt –
This is just an awesome post, and my favorite so far of the All Newt All The Time posts here. I’d say it’s a shame that this wasn’t available for the good people of SC to read before voting, but I suspect it would just make those that were going to vote for him more convinced they were right.
I’ll also say this: Far be it for me to declare without hesitation what happens within a man’s soul, heart, and head. But unlike Santorum or Romney, I have a hard time believing that any of Newt’s religious proclamations are made out of anything other than political expediency. In other words, I’ve never been very convinced Newt wants a theocracy; I’ve only ever been convinced that he wants power.Report
That was my thought until recently. My fear is that his recent political positioning has painted him in something of a corner in the gratefully unlikely event he were to actually be elected — and I’ve noticed that recent converts to a new denomination, as Gingrich is, tend to be exceptionally enthusiastic about Spreading The Good News.Report
This might well be true. And even if I’m right, were Newt ever elected I have no doubt that he would be willing to do all matter of things to stay in power; and if he thought it was his Wrathful God approach that was part of the key to doing so, those things might be very scary indeed.Report
I’ve noticed that recent converts to a new denomination, as Gingrich is, tend to be exceptionally enthusiastic about Spreading The Good News.
That’s my experience as well.Report
Or it could be that he converted to Catholicism to make his android of a wife happy. Much easier for him to do that than to have the large carrot surgically removed from her ass. Could that woman be anymore uptight?
I’m pretty cynical when it comes to Newt. I think his embrace of old-time religion has a lot more to do with appealing to the evangelical Republican base than it does with any deep-seated faith. The guy has always known how to seize on resentment and hatred and play it for what it’s worth. This latest version of his strategy plays on the evangelicals’ fears that their brand of Christianity is somehow losing out in a more secular society and their desire to force it down the throats of us heathens. But the strategy as a whole isn’t new to Newt. He’s one of the chief architects of the linguistic bombs used to vilify liberalism and Democrats, and brought whole new levels of divisiveness. I think the only thing that he really truly believes is that he’s a “great leader” sent here to change the course of the country. That’s why he’s so dangerous. He believes his own messianic brand of bullshit.Report
My fear is that his recent political positioning has painted him in something of a corner in the gratefully unlikely event he were to actually be elected
This seems true of Romney as well, FWIWReport
For some reason, publishing directly from my word processor fished up all the hyperlinks to all the quotes from Gingrich I’d found; I believe and hope that I’ve fixed all the broken hyperlinks in the OP now.Report
What I find particularly delicious is that Gingrich is willing to ignore the supreme law of the United States to score political points and would be amenable to provoking a constitutional crisis by declaring war on the judiciary, but it’s atheists who can’t be trusted with power?
Would it be constitutional to implement a “no opportunistic weasels” test for public office?Report
If we did that, we would be reduced to choosing our public officials by lot.Report
You mean we aren’t doing that already?Report
You know, I’m becoming increasingly convinced that lot drawing – for the primary – would produce about as equally skilled a group of idiots.Report
Slighty OOT, but when I wrote a comment about people applauding Newt for putting Juan Williams in his place the other day, I was exaggerating, and perhaps being very uncharitable. Imagine my surprise:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/gops-minority-outreach-we-talk-you-listen-and-repeat/2012/01/20/gIQAK2l3DQ_blog.html
Oh well. It’s possible that Newt never intended any racial dog-whistle at all, but some people are still hearing the whistle loud and clear.Report
I’m hearing some pushback that putting Juan Williams in his place might mean putting a liberal in his place, or putting a representative of biased liberal MSM in his place, that it’s not necessarily because Williams is black. Not buying this for a second because:
1) Williams works for Fox News, hardly the bastion of biased liberal MSM.
2) Even if some conservatives might conflate black = liberal, in the case of this particular black man, it’s not really a believable excuse, after all the brouhaha about NPR firing him, Fox hiring him, and his book talking about, hey, what do you know, biased liberal MSM.Report
How quickly they turn….feels like only yesterday that Juan Williams was the latest in a line of brave truth telling conservative martyrs of the liberal media complex.Report
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Williams wasn’t (and isn’t) conservative. A big reason for the flap is that he was fired for his comments despite the fact that he is “a liberal.”
Anyhow, I am not sure how much of that came in to play (how many of them remembered, or cared, about Williams being fired by NPR). I think what they saw was a black journalist accusing a white politician of racism and were excited about a white politician not allowing himself to be rolled.
I’m not saying this point of view is particularly defensible, but that’s my reading of it. I will say that the accusations of how terrible racist South Carolinians are (or SC Republicans, at any rate) feed into the mentality that caused the cheers.Report
Was Williams accusing Newt of being a racist? I don’t seem to remember that part, from the debate. Sure. liberal bloggers have called Newt a racist or pandering to racists, but I don’t remember Juan Williams the black journalist accusing Newt the white politician of being a racist.Report
Oh, just because they saw it does not mean it happened. We see what we are conditioned (or condition ourselves) to see.Report
If the journalist in question is white, do you think they would have had the same response? Regarding the “putting him in his place” and “being excited about a white politician not allowing himself to be rolled”.Report
Truthfully, I’m not sure how it would have gone. Just like I don’t know how things would have played out if it were Herman Cain instead of Newt Gingrich.
If you’re looking for me to claim that there is no racism in the South Carolina GOP, that is not what I am saying at all. Just to be clear.
What I am saying, to the extent that I am saying anything, is that this is at least partially an issue of excessive defensiveness. Saying “We will NOT allow ourselves to be called racist” rather than approaching it a more constructive (and inward) way.Report
Newt using the same song as Obama did at the ’08 convention = Irony? I think?Report
According to ABC anyway, Newt won tonight. Romney second, Santorum third, and That Man came in fourth.Report
And speaking of nice long droughts from theocracy wells, there’s this article here.
A row has erupted over an atheist society at a top London University posting a cartoon sketch featuring the prophet Muhammad having a drink with Jesus on its Facebook page.
A student Muslim group is demanding the ‘offensive’ image of Jesus and Mo having a drink at the bar, taken from an online satirical sketch, be removed from the social networking site.
The president of the Atheist, Secularist and Humanist society at the prestigious University College London (UCL), Robbie Yellon, has stepped down over the controversy.
Now, of course, England doesn’t have a First Amendment and it doesn’t have similar traditions of freedom of Religion and it still even has an established church and everything and cannot claim the same Enlightenment Traditions that the US has tattooed on its butt.
This is still an interesting contrast.Report
Sort of way off topic, but they are actually investigating and discussing possible charges against English and Chelsea center back John Terry for racial slurs he purportedly used in a football game. I play with an English guy in our Mexican soccer league here in St. George and he is absolutely amazed that we could essentially use racist terms all day in a game with our hispanic friends and not be held legally accountable for it. We’d just be racists.Report
And of course the ironic thing about that little bust-up is that the objection came from the Ahmadiyya Society. For those who don’t know, the Ahmadiyya are a Muslim sub-sect who are almost universally persecuted throughout the Islamic world as heretics and are liable often to be subject to random violence and, err… having their speech suppressed.Report
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Not necessary. Gingrich is a classic and unremarkable case. His supporters like him because he sounds like an intellectual, and they are exactly right; he sounds like one. It’s a talent to be sure, but one that we needn’t expend a great deal of effort deconstructing. When you plow into the actual content it is as laughable as anything coming from Bachmann or Santorum.
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Submitted without comment, for your consideration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_QXncmmufkReport