Jane Wick
I read a tidbit that claimed 007 is going to be played by actress Lashana Lynch, who is…GASP…a woman.
007 is not a super interesting character to me. I’ve watched most of the James Bond movies but begrudgingly, because I thought I was supposed to rather than because I enjoyed them much. It’s not a series I give a rat’s patootie about either way.
But it did remind me of something I’ve wanted to write about for a long time.
Why are there so few action heroes that are women, anyway? Is it sexism? Misogyny? Or is there something else going on?
This would be a pretty boring thinkpiece if the answer was sexism and misogyny, just sayin’.
Because those are the knee jerk reactions. Those are the obvious and dare I say thoughtless responses. Those pieces have already been written. Many of us have been trained to view the world through that lens, so everything we encounter looks at first blush like sexism and misogyny.
But as they say, you shouldn’t attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, or Hollywood.
It’s not that women don’t like action movies, either. I promise. I love them. Prefer them, even. And I don’t think I’m alone. I think there is a vast market for action movies featuring female leads. I even wrote an action movie for chicks called “Action Movie For Chicks” because I think there’s such a big market for it.
So what gives? If consumers want action movies with female stars, why is Hollywood giving us so few? If not sexism and misogyny, what other explanation could there possibly be?
I’m going to say something now that may shock you to your very core. You better sit down.
The average woman is smaller and weaker than the average man.
Please do not now inundate me with pictures of buff women. There are many many really very strong women on Planet Earth, but even the strongest woman is significantly weaker than the strongest of men and even a good-size chunk of average men. It isn’t due to patriarchal machinations, nor is it the result of a global conspiracy to deny Gina Carano what is hers by divine right. It’s just a biological fact that is objectively true. Thus, in my very humble opinion, it’s kind of hard to BELIEVABLY make a female action hero that is kicking men’s butts with aplomb because even when you check your disbelief at the door a movie has to obey some of the laws of physics to be any good.
Hollywood often tries to write their way around this by making female action heroes supernatural in some way. Sometimes this works, as with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and other times it doesn’t, as in 7 zillion terrible Buffy the Vampire Slayer knockoffs. More often, Hollywood gives women a gun (to paraphrase Samuel Colt, “The Great Equalizer”) and a man to help her. Either of these solutions can work; I tend to prefer the latter, I suppose, because I find it more relatable. I am not supernatural, but I have a gun and can usually find a man to help me. But a good many times Hollywood simply pretends that a 110 pound woman – who isn’t even supernatural! – is able to easily dispatch a dude because she knows karate or has had assassin training or because a dude spent 30 seconds showing her a special move at the beginning of the movie or something. It just isn’t real, and so these movies often flop at the box office because audiences far less discerning than I roll their eyes at them. Thus the bean counters erroneously conclude there’s no market for women in action, when really the conclusion is just that people dislike bad movies.
What I would vastly prefer is a movie that takes a woman’s physical size and capability into account and uses that as a plot point. Instead of denying reality and giving us characters that are ⅔ the size but somehow 100% as strong as men, why not just take it into consideration and use your imagination, Hollywood? Remember imagination, that thing you’re supposed to have so much of?
This is not a unique concept; men’s physical limitations are often taken into account when writing action scenes. One of my favorite action scenes ever is when Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman) notices a barefoot John McClane (Bruce Willis) and tells his minions to shoot the nearby glass, causing McClane’s feet to be all cut up and forcing him to withdraw from a fight. A realistic moment that took into account basic human biology, and it worked.
It’s not weakness to admit weakness when it exists, okay? In fact, it’s kind of stupid not to. Would it have been more sensible for Hollywood to have McClane run across the glass and miraculously remain uncut? Or have the ability to fly, thereby avoiding the danger entirely? Of course not, and we’dve been robbed of a great movie moment.
A female action hero with normal female strength and ability could add interest to a genre that has been flayed down to its bare bones. Because let’s be honest here; action movies have gotten boring. We’ve all seen the delicate beauty “unexpectedly” kick the bad guy’s butt a thousand times over already. I don’t want to see that any more. With the exception of Mad Max: Fury Road (which of course featured women as leads) and the John Wicks, I haven’t seen an action movie that thrilled me for quite a while. Some of the superhero flicks have been fun, but none of them left me walking away stunned and amazed like I was the first time I saw Die Hard.
Hollywood has a reality problem. It sounds counterintuitive to say that Hollywood, spinner of fantastical yarns, needs a dose of reality, but I seriously think they do. An action movie without a good dose of reality is just a video game you don’t even get to play. It’s boring. Watching CGI being fight CGI being in a world where rules of biology and physics don’t apply is boring. It’s deus ex machina with explosions to distract you from the fact that it’s just deus ex machina. And it’s all couched in laziness. The people making movies right now sit around and tell each other “you know what would be like, totally kewl, is if King Kong fights a dinosaur for what feels like an eternity!” and then someone else says “omg dude seriously, but what if it was TWO dinosaurs?”
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Personally, I think it would be super interesting to see an action sequence in which a female character had to take into consideration her size and plan accordingly. We’ve seen numerous fight scenes in which a small guy has to use cleverness or agility or stamina or stealth to defeat a much larger opponent.
Sometimes this gets taken to even greater extremes:
Why is it so often the case where female characters are involved that writers choose to deny reality all together and make them somehow as strong as or even stronger than the men? Even if a woman was way more skilled than a man she was fighting, the physics of such a fight would be altered. It wouldn’t be like two similarly sized dudes whaling on each other. It would be a different fight entirely and you cannot tell me there aren’t thousands of martial artists who would be only too happy to choreograph such a fight.
Some of the best scenes in action movies come from fights where the rules of physics have changed, like in The Matrix where Neo figures out he’s The One:
Or the hallway scene in Inception:
Sometimes creators blend lots of drastically different fighting styles together, like the various styles of bending used in Avatar: The Last Airbender:
You cannot convince me that it’s impossible to make an exciting fight scene in which one party has strengths the other lacks or fights with a different technique or faces challenges/limitations that make winning a fight more difficult.
Hollywood CAN do it. So why don’t they where women are concerned? Why are the only two solutions Hollywood can come up with when it comes to women fighting, are superhero or let’s-pretend-this-girl-is-a-guy?
I’ll admit that in part this is probably due to sexism and misogyny. I mean I’m sure that underlies at least some of the decisions Hollywood makes. There seems to be no shortage of men who think women are ok and everything but aren’t worth a whole lot unless they’re wearing a bikini, and others who flat out hate seeing women do anything BUT wear a bikini. Yet I honestly think that for the most part it probably just never occurred to them. Maybe they really thought no one would go see an action movie featuring a female lead not because they don’t like women, but because they hadn’t seen people go to action movies featuring female leads (since there weren’t any).
But the world is a totally different world now than it was even 10 years ago. People WANT action movies with strong women in them, lots of people, with lots of money to spend. Just because something didn’t happen in the past, it doesn’t mean it could never happen. That’s what innovation is all about. Personally I’m sick to death of the only strong women I see onscreen being magic or so ridiculously overpowered that it strains my belief to the breaking point. There’s a market for a realistic female action hero, capitalist pigs, please fill it.
I have an example of what I would like to see – Ares (Ruby Rose) in John Wick: Chapter 2. Ares is not the perfect example because she doesn’t fare well in this fight, but she fights her heart out and is just outclassed. She’s tough and brave and skilled but she has to fight John Wick, and even though he’s injured and tired (giving her a better chance than she would have had otherwise…a realistic way of leveling the playing field!) he’s just bigger than her, that’s all. He’s stronger. His legs and arms are longer. She can’t win, but she tries, and she tries in a way that is in keeping with the physical limitations of being a petite female without her being a weakling. It’s just super good for me. Great choreography, great acting, and totally rooted in keeping it real.
I for one find it way more uplifting to see a woman fight to the best of her ability, within the natural limits of her body, and LOSE, than to watch some magically delicious female superhero smite people without breaking a sweat, or a fingernail. It doesn’t inspire me one iota to see CGI bodies perform feats of strength that are impossible for persons of any gender. I honestly don’t understand how anyone can find that inspiring. You may as well watch a robot beat someone up and cheer because the robot is pink.
I don’t want a robot action hero. I want a woman, like me. I believe it’s totally possible to have a woman who can successfully fight men. It wouldn’t be the same kind of fight, that’s all. It’s my hope that someone takes female action heroes to the next level – not as a novelty act, but as a genre unto itself. If writers and directors would think outside the box they could come up with ways to level the playing field and make smaller people go up against bigger ones in all sorts of different, realistic ways. And it would be all to Hollywood’s benefit, since action, the genre, needs an influx of fresh blood and new ideas.
Why couldn’t a woman be a 007, anyway?
She wouldn’t even have to be magic; she’d just need to be well-written.
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Frankly, I often see women beat me or fight me to a standstill, in jujitsu. OK, it’s not a “real” fight in the sense that no one’s life is in danger, but I’ve experienced women half my weight and strength resist my efforts to choke them or triangle them. They will never have the raw power of strength or cardio, but leverage, flexibility, and technique can often win the day. And men have “sensitive spots” to be taken advantage of. Nothing says a spy has to be confrontational. Sneaking around is what they do isn’t it?Report
One of the things I really enjoy about some of the higher-level women’s MMA matches is that their flexibility makes the jiu-jitsu sequences really interesting. Felice Herrig specifically comes to mind. She has had some ground sequences that were a thing of beauty.
Agreed on jiu-jitsu being the great equalizer in a fight with rules or when a trained female practitioner is attacked by an untrained male.Report
Semi-counterpoint: When I was training, my dojo had many girls/women, and when fighting them, they were oftimes fierce, clever, skilled and tough. Years later, I heard that they all complained about me hitting too hard. I was 5′ 11″, 145#—couldn’t put on weight to save my life—and pulling my punches so much that I actually had trouble punching full strength when I needed to.
And I realized, also years later, that while I respected them, I was never *scared* by them. I never got the same frisson, shall we say, when facing down a big or even average-sized dude.
I think “Fallon Fox” resolves a whole bunch of disputes, frankly.Report
I suspect Fallon Fox will be part of a very interesting conversation next year.Report
I agree. Women have a harder time taking physical punishment. Avoidance would have to be a large part of their “game”.Report
Yep, and they wouldn’t target the cheesy (sorry) “sensitive spots” on a man but the structural weak points. Knees and feet, e.g., eyes.
In a lot of cases, they would prefer to pretend helplessness and strike when their assailant’s guard was down. For a man, that would be “dirty”. (I’d do it, though. =))Report
In horror movies, the girl almost always wins. The monster is all but unkillable, but she manages to find his one weakness and beat him. But I often find those movies uncomfortably misogynistic, because usually that girl will get tossed around and beaten up pretty bad.
I miss Alias. That show somehow found the right balance. Syndey Bristow was a perfect spy, the child of two great spies and trained since birth. She used all the gadgets and could fight or shoot her way out of most anything. She took her share of punches, but the show was fantastic enough that I didn’t feel like I was watching a woman getting hurt.Report
Two movies come to mind (okay, technically it’s three):
– Kill Bill 1 & 2
– Atomic Blonde
In the Kill Bill movies she avoided the strength queetion by being a badass with a sword. But I never thought of it as a woman fighting well. I just thought of it as a great action movie. Basically, the made me forget her gender was even a factor.
Atomic Blonde’s fight scenes are seriously some of the best I have ever seen and I am an action movie junkie (thank you 1980s). These are different because they are filmed in a way that shows she is the superior fighter but sometimes a guy will get a hold of her and his strength advantage will allow him to temporarily get the upper hand. She eventually gets the advantage back with more technique or pure rage. The fight scrnes tell this unspoken story that were it not for temporary biological advantage of her male opponents, she would never even have a tough fight. It essentially makes you hate Bad Guy #2 even more because you feel like he is cheating. Brilliant.Report
Second Atomic Blonde, seriously one of the best action movies of late, because it’s pretty realistic.
The more recent movie, Anna, might be in the same vein (haven’t seen it yet).
As for fighting sideways, the two Equalizer movies were great for that. Denzel is not getting any younger, and the fighting reflects that. He doesn’t try to over power younger opponents, he employs dirty tricks to disable them or traps to kill them.Report
I also recommend Peppermint. It’s a bit like Death Wish, but the heroine actually spends 5 years training her ass off for vengeance.Report
I know it probably doesn’t count, but Resident Evil was a hell of a run.
Also the tv show ‘The 100’ attempts to tilt to that direction.
‘The Americans’ had a strong showing.
Even in John Wick 3, there was a issue with shooting Halle Berrys dog.
Not sure of what the norm should be, or what the exceptions to the norm should be.
I guess at some point there is a question of how maleness or womaness has a role in long standing roles.
I know if the MRA peeps started demanding a dude play Wonder Woman, i would have the same subsets of bias arise.Report
I think in general TV is way ahead of movies on making women badass. Agree on The 100 (awesome, awesome show). Also, Walking Dead, Z Nation, Alias (someone already mentioned this) all the way back to Xena, Warrior Princess.Report
Another great post! Totally agree on the action movie stuff. It’s not just that it’s unrealistic. it’s that it goes on FOREVER with nothing being resolved, no one getting even seriously hurt and guys just wiping the sweat off and keep going. There was scene recently in Dare Devil (probably not recently) where he was shown panting and gasping for air during a fight. I found that much more interesting.
Wrote about it a bit here: http://michaelsiegel.net/?p=6251Report
Somewhat related to our other discussion about mass shooters, why is so little of the world’s real life violence performed by women?
As Colt said, guns are the great equalizers, so why don’t we see female criminals blowing away clerks and gas station attendants, or kneecapping local stores into paying extortion?Report
Define ‘violence’ and then go watch Mean Girls.Report
If white supremacists could confine themselves to saying AOC has a fat ass, the world would be immeasurably a better place.Report
Chip, I’m not going to get drawn into your obsession with white supremacy on another thread. If you want to, in general, talk about male violence vs. female violence I’m up for that.Report
Hey look, its not my fault I happened to read this article just as I was posting:
Man Charged After Saying Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ‘Should Be Shot’ And Stockpiling Ammunition
https://www.dailywire.com/news/50490/man-charged-after-saying-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ashe-schow
But hey, maybe we should have a show where a female bartender from Queens has a secret life as a kickass vigilante crime fighter. And she goes around killing misogynistic men, while delivering witty catch phrases like, “Hey, punk, make me a sammich.”Report
She was stumped by her garbage disposal and freaked out over a Japanese sink/toilet. She wouldn’t do well as a crime fighter because she’d assault someone from taking a movie from RedBox, thinking it was theft.Report
I’d watch that.Report
Isn’t a related factor that — either in reality or in perception — what makes male action heroes strong (i.e., muscles) also tends to make them sexy while what would make female action heroes strong (i.e., muscles) tends to make them less sexy? This isn’t my opinion but seems to be somewhat of a consensus among men or at least the perception of men?Report
I never thought Bond was a muscular guy. It was his swagger and confidence, and his aloofness that got the job done, I think.Report
I’m painting with broad strokes obviously… but the extreme male action hero is Ahnold. The extreme female action hero is digital dream/realistically impossible Lara Croft.Report
While I think muscular women are just as hot as non-muscular (Demi Moore in GI Jane, Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raider, Jennifer Garner in Alias – all hot) I also don’t think it’s necessary. But you’re right that society at large might feel differently about that.Report
I agree but even those are women were still tiny… muscular and toned yes but not jacked. Add them to the poster for The Expendables and they’d be invisible.Report
Remember the pull-ups scene in Terminator 2? Shot to emphasize Sarah Connor’s (Linda Hamilton’s) back, shoulder, and biceps muscles.
(Also reminds me of this: When T2 came out, we all went to see it and my friend’s girlfriend jokingly complained/asked if there were any love scenes. FFWD to the scene where the orderly is securing Sarah to her bed and, once she’s secured, leans in and licks her cheek (ew). My friend leans over to his girlfriend and whispers, “There’s your love scene.”)Report
I think the changing perception of what is attractive in women and men negates this. Now, fit women are considered sexy, and the bodybuilder types like Arnold Schwartzenegger are not considered especially sexy.
But 30 years ago you had a lot of Arnold or Stallone types on screen.Report
Well, just a few years ago super ripped Thor was the rage, but now the ideal body type is fat drunk Thor.Report
You have to go back probably 45 years to find unfit women, that late ’60s/early ’70s cocaine-skinny type. Remember the late ’70s was the beginning of aerobics, and the women of the ’80s were much buffer than before. (Think Linda Hamilton, Jamie Lee Curtis, sex romps like “Hardbodies”, etc.)
Actually, prior to the ’60s, women were pretty fit as well, but they were expected to hide that. Or more accurately, the aesthetic was a layer of fat over the muscle. (Think Marilyn Monroe or any of the dancers of the day.)
I think the more recent aesthetic of very low body fat ages women faster.Report
I am in complete agreement. But my main point was what is considered attractive changes over time.
Much like hemlines.Report
Certainly true, at least within certain constraints. There’s that classic line from “Some Like It Hot” where Marilyn Monroe tells Jack Lemmon he’s lucky because he’s flat-chested, the clothes all look better on him…Report
In addition to the fight sequences, there’s a number of other standard scenes in contemporary action movies. One of them is the protagonist dangling over the big drop, then gather themselves, swing sideways hanging from one hand and reaches up a couple of feet to get another grip, then pops up to (relative) safety. Most male action stars show enough upper-arm mass and lat spread while they’re dangling to make it seem believable. Few actresses do.
My wife watches an occasional episode of American Ninja Warrior for grins. She claims you can tell which women will do badly from the first moment when they come out and raise their arms to acknowledge the audience applause. Many/most of the obstacles require serious upper-body strength. My wife points out the women whose very first “pose” lacks the upper-arm and lat mass to handle those.
Except for the few action actresses who look like they do at least some Crossfit, give them a way out of the perilous fall situation that depends on quickness or cleverness, not upper-body strength without the corresponding muscle mass.Report
Yeah, kinda fun is that often in movies when they use stuntwomen, they’re so much bulkier than the actresses, it’s comical. I remember “My Alibi” (way back in the ’80s) when Paulina Porizkova was supposed to be a carnival gal. Uh huh. When it came time for her to climb the rope (just using her arms, mind you) they couldn’t find anyone CLOSE to her body type who was able to do so.
It’s almost as bad as when Shatner climbs El Capitan in “Star Trek 5”. Good lord.Report
Maybe there should be a show about some female democrat, and everytime someone surfaces that would create grief in her life, they suicide or die in a unfortunate accident.Report
Striking comment from my daughter who is well versed in action movies after seeing Capt. Marvel. She saw Wonder Woman and liked to female dominant character. She liked Capt. Marvel better “because the character wasn’t sexualized in the way she was portrayed”-her words.
Great piece KristinReport
I really enjoyed this piece, both because I just love action movies and because of the depth of your discussion. I don’t have a lot to add substantively, but I’d like to join in the folks offering recommendations. In addition to Atomic Blonde, which was directed by one of the directors of John Wick and really does have some of the greatest fights in recent American action cinema, I’d like to recommend Haywire. It’s a Stephen Soderbergh movie that stars Gina Carano, a former MMA fighter. It’s a spy action movie with various twists and betrayals, but importantly for this discussion it has some incredible fight scenes, all of them against men, that very much rely on her superior technique to overcome their strength. This fight from the beginning of the movie is a nice sample: https://youtu.be/PqoX5bSn_tY?t=186
Also, I haven’t seen any footage from it yet,but I know John Woo is currently remaking The Killer with Lupita N’yongo in the lead role that was played by Chow Yun Fat in the original. I’m REALLY excited to see how that turns out, though it’ll probably be a lot less gritty than John Wick, given that it’s John Woo.Report
Started watching Wu Assassins on Netflix last night. Two of the female leads are both fighters and both use very different styles compared to the guys who fight.
Also, Wu Assassins has the fight choreography you wanted to see in Iron Fist.Report
My husband pointed this show out to me the other day saying “It’s what Iron Fist should have been” How is teh story line so far? Its on our queue to watch.Report
Only on the 3rd episode, so it’s all still setup. One thing that bugged me at first was how oddly unflappable the main character, Kai, is. Until you realize he grew up in the Triads, so things that would probably phase normal people are things he has learned to deadpan.
That, and he was a competent martial artist even before he got the powers of the monks.Report
In Zhang Yimou’s “Shadow” (in my top 5 movies of 2019) the key to defeating the master comes when the general’s wife suggests a yin to his yang. The actual battle is fought by women–with umbrellas!
Underrated gem!Report
Not movies, but Karren Murphy from Jim Butcher’s Dresden series could be an example of a well-written female fighter. She’s Chicago PD and described as “blonde, cute, 5-foot-nothing, and tough as nails.” The series talks about the hours and hours of work she’s put in to become a master of firearms and multiple fighting styles, focusing on each style’s techniques for fighting larger opponents–and for Karren, they’re ALL larger. And far from being a woman who has to have a man to help her, she’s the one Harry calls when he needs backup. She and Harry get the snot kicked out of them all the time, but they win because they utilize their skills (Harry’s magic, Karren’s marksmanship and fighting) in a maximally complimentary fashion. And because love and good guys, I guess. Great piece!Report