Election 2020: What Happens If Trump Dies?

President Donald J. Trump waves as he boards Air Force One at Joint Base Andrews, Md. Tuesday, Sept. 15, for his flight to Philadelphia International Airport in Philadelphia. Official White House Photo by Joyce N. Boghosian [Public Domain]
But what happens if Trump dies?
Does that mean Biden automatically wins?
Does Trump just get replaced with Pence?
What happens if Dead Trump gets more votes than Alive Biden?
ANSWER KEY: No, No, Probably but not necessarily, and Probably but not necessarily Mike Pence.
Dead men do win elections. Most famously, Missouri Governor Mel Carnahan was in a neck-and-neck race with Senator John Ashcroft. He died, then he won. In that case, it created what was essentially a senate vacancy. Carnahan, having died, create a vacancy for the governorship that he held and the senate seat that he won. The governorship went to Lt Governor Roger B Wilson, who turned around and appointed Mel Carnahan’s wife Jean to the senate position.
Our presidential process, however, is less straightforward. As in the Carnahan case, it is simply too late to change ballots. So, it’s not a simple matter of putting Mike Pence’s or someone else’s name on the ballot. But the electoral college kind of comes to the rescue here, by providing an intermediary that can straighten out the messy situation.
As you know, the president is not chosen by the people. They are chosen by electors who are chosen by the people (bracketed by state lines). In the event of a candidate death the electors can simply choose someone else. Problem solved!
The electors are chosen the same way as they always are. All the same laws and statutes apply. To pick an example, here are the applicable statues in Texas:
Sec. 192.003. METHOD OF BECOMING ELECTOR CANDIDATE. To become a presidential elector candidate, a person must be nominated as a political party’s elector candidate in accordance with party rules or named as an elector candidate by an independent or write-in candidate for president.
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Sec. 192.005. VOTE REQUIRED FOR ELECTION. The set of elector candidates that is elected is the one that corresponds to the candidates for president and vice-president receiving the most votes.
And boom! There you go. The parties nominate electors, and electors are chosen on the basis of the party whose candidate wins the most votes in the state. If that’s Trump, then alive or dead it’s the GOP slate of electors that vote for the state. They will vote for whoever the party tells them to.
But how does the party decide? It turns out, the GOP has rules in place to handle this contingency (credit to Sarah Isgur for finding this):
Filling Vacancies in Nominations
(a) The Republican National Committee is
hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all
vacancies which may occur by reason of death,
declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate
for President of the United States or the Republican
candidate for Vice President of the United States, as
nominated by the national convention, or the
Republican National Committee may reconvene the
national convention for the purpose of filling any such
vacancies.(b) In voting under this rule, the Republican
National Committee members representing any state
shall be entitled to cast the same number of votes as
said state was entitled to cast at the national convention.(c) In the event that the members of the
Republican National Committee from any state shall
not be in agreement in the casting of votes hereunder,
the votes of such state shall be divided equally,
including fractional votes, among the members of the
Republican National Committee present or voting by
proxy.(d) No candidate shall be chosen to fill any
such vacancy except upon receiving a majority of the
votes entitled to be cast in the election.
In other words, they got this. Presumably the Democrats have something similar, though in this case it’s Trump in the hospital.
But could the GOP force its electors to vote for whoever they nominate?
Can the electors, even if they want to, vote for someone who didn’t win the votes?
ANSWER KEY: Probably not, and Probably so
The delegates would almost certainly be free to vote for who they want, but they would almost certainly do what the party says. Electors are honorary spots given to loyalists. They don’t appoint mavericks. We have had faithless electors in the past, but they’ve done so with the full knowledge that they were not swinging the election. In this case, a lack of coordination could very well lose them the election. It’s critical that everyone is on the same page. Too many mavericks means it gets sent to the House. Right now, that actually still means a GOP president, but that is subject to change1. So, if the party says to vote for Pence, they’ll vote for Pence. Keep in mind, in this scenario, Mike Pence is already president.
Now, some of you may be recalling that the Supreme Court recently ruled that states can require that electors vote for the party’s nominee. Which in this case is Trump, isn’t it? Well, the Supreme Court considered that scenario in their ruling (Credit to Charles Fain Lehman for finding this):
The Electors contend that elector discretion is needed to deal with the
possibility that a future presidential candidate will die between Election
Day and the Electoral College vote. See Reply Brief 20–22. We do not
dismiss how much turmoil such an event could cause. In recognition of
that fact, some States have drafted their pledge laws to give electors
voting discretion when their candidate has died. See, e.g., Cal. Elec. Code
Ann. §6906; Ind. Code §3–10–4–1.7. And we suspect that in such a case,
States without a specific provision would also release electors from their
pledge. Still, we note that because the situation is not before us, nothing
in this opinion should be taken to permit the States to bind electors to a
deceased candidate.
So that base is covered. In fact, it’s possible that this could be used to require electors to vote for whoever the party tabs (by which I mean Mike Pence).
In short, everybody thought ahead for once!
But what else could happen?
Could state legislators get involved?
ANSWER KEY: Many things including a meteor strike, and Yes
Electors are picked by the state legislature. They could likely intervene at any point and determine that the electors just go for whoever23. There have been some allegations that Team Trump is trying to get the Pennsylvania legislature to consider it. Now, those dastardly Republicans may consider it, but in this case they wouldn’t need to. If Dead Trump wins, that means they won4. Would Democrats do it? I doubt it. I could imagine the thought being put out there if Biden were to win the popular vote but Dead Trump won the electoral college, but if they tried then Republican states would do the same thing and Republicans control more state legislatures. If they couldn’t succeed, they would not likely try.
Long story short, for such an ad hoc system that had existed as it was originally designed to, the system handles this contingency pretty well. The RNC planned for this, the Supreme Court considered it, and the Electoral College is flexible enough to work it out.
So now we can all wish Trump a full recovery, knowing that this cannot be used to change the outcome of the coming election.
- Right now the GOP has 26 state delegations, Democrats have 23. However, it’s the new congress that would elect the new president and there are multiple states that could flip in one direction or the other. Democrats could flip Alaska, Montana, or Florida. Or they could take Wisconsin off the table by having a split delegation. Republicans could flip Arizona and flip or negate Iowa. Pennsylvania is tied and could go either way. Democrats would need to net three states, which is possible. If Republicans lose a net of one, then they no longer have the majority they need. President Mike Pence comes back in as vice president and then automatically becomes acting president after the term expires. So, Republicans keep the presidency! But it’s fragile. More Democratic gains in 2022 could mean that they could just give the presidency to Biden if he’s still alive, or absent that they could give it to anyone else who got any electoral votes in 2020 if they are in the top three. Most likely they’d make sure someone gave Harris electoral votes for just this contingency. Long story short, even though they would get the presidency in the absence of a House majority, it’s not a desirable scenario. They want to be united.
- This is one of the weaknesses of the interstate compact model for the National Popular Vote. If a state’s preferred candidate lost the popular vote but won their state, the legislature could just back out of the compact. Or they could use the transition as an excuse to go back to when the popular vote was ignored even within the state. Our current system is not democratic but is reasonably stable. It can even handle a dead candidate it would seem.
- For the record, I do not support the electoral college. Not important to this piece, but I thought I would throw that out there that this isn’t really a defense of the model.
- If Trump recovers and Biden dies, though, the Republicans might try it. Unlike Democrats, they’d have the votes to pull it off.
Electors are picked by the state legislature.
This is too simple a statement. It’s at least “electors are chosen by a process specified by the state legislature.” See, for example, the Texas statute you quoted: electors are nominated by the parties and selected by the voters. Or Colorado’s equivalent: each candidate must include a slate of electors in their paperwork, because candidates in Colorado are not required to be affiliated with a party*. Since Arizona v. Arizona it’s probably “electors are chosen by a process specified by whatever method or methods the state uses for legislating.” In that case the SCOTUS held that the voters, by means of a ballot initiative, count as the Constitutional “legislature.”
I’m not aware of any states where the (possibly lame duck) legislature meets and chooses electors.
* Anyone who meets the Constitutional requirements and is willing to pay a $5,000 filing fee can get on the presidential ballot here. Yes, we have vanity candidates.
** The decision surprised the hell out of the East Coast pundits. They forgot that Kennedy was a California boy who understood that all of the western states had laws (or state constitutional requirements) affecting federal elections that had been put in place by initiative. To disallow that would have created chaos that would have taken years to sort out.Report
The important thing is that the legislature can meet and change the rules.
So maybe we should say they are chosen at the pleasure of the legislature.Report
In general, sure. There may be a handful of states where the rules about electors are embedded in the state constitution. In some, it may require overriding a veto by the governor. For this year’s election specifically, depends very much on the state. Here, the legislature adjourned sine die and can’t come back into session before January unless the governor calls them.
Changing the rules on this, particularly in a way that looks like overruling the voters, strikes me as something that a legislature could only get away with once. Many of them would lose their seats before they got a chance to do it again, and their replacements would most likely refer a constitutional amendment to the voters. Much like the Queen and Parliament in the UK. She can overrule Parliament, but if she ever does so Parliament will promptly strip her of the power to do it again.Report
Biden seems to be cruising to victory so it could be pointless speculation. I’m going to crack open a beer I think when it happens.Report
IF it happens, and IF we do have a successful transition, I have a single barrel bourbon that will make it all worth it.Report
Trump dies and the Republicans proclaim Ivanka Goddess-Empress.Report
The serious answer is that people vote for Trump even though he is dead. If he wins, the Republican National Committee selects who becomes President. That seems to be the law in nearly every state. So apparently, this scenario is contemplated in the law even though it never happened.Report
How many states recognize the existence of a national party? My state doesn’t — the state party has to name the candidate that appears on the ballot originally, and the state party would have to name the replacement. The chances that state parties defy the RNC are slim to none, but there are at least some where it’s possible.
Side note, the SCOTUS upheld our state law that says an elector not voting for the party’s candidate is a resignation, and the governor names an alternate who will vote properly. No faithless electors here :^)Report
Faithless elector laws just make the corralling easier!
And yeah I’m betting the state parties follow the national lead.Report
What happens if Trump survives, but is not capable of performing the duties of the presidency?Report
That’s straightforward 25th Amendment territory. Either he hands power to the VP voluntarily, or the cabinet votes to give the VP his powers.Report
I think this is correct. Pence takes over the presidency, then if Trump/Pence wins in 2020, the cabinet immediately makes him president again. (Worst case. They might be able to work something out with the electors. Depends on the courts and whether Democrats cooperate.)Report
Well then he’d be in the same boat Biden is already. A person claiming to be a former campaign insiders has said that Biden is on Amenda, and that various staffers in Philadelphia are getting his prescriptions filled under fake names. He added that everyone at the top levels of the campaign know about it, and they’re just trying to get him across the finish line and then replace him. Some outside observers wonder if Biden’s eyes might indicate he’s also on Aricept. Both are prescription drugs for treating Alzheimer’s symptoms.
Kamala Harris probably has all the 25th amendment paperwork filled out and ready go on day one, though she’ll probably try giving him Covid first because his funeral would be better PR for her administration.Report
You missed the joke. No surprise.Report
How could we tell the difference?Report
(Rim shot).Report
We would call him Biden!Report
The scarier question is what happens is President Trump is re-elected and the U.S. has four more years of chaos. Will President Trump become more lazy since he is not running for office or will be become more insane and narcassistic and to stupider executive orders.
Also, will the left become unhinged and riot for the next four years.Report
We’ll have even more chaos if Biden is elected, since he might get indicted for rigging the 2016 election, bribes, corruption (Ukraine, Russia, China etc), and he barely has two functioning brain cells left. So instead, we’d be guaranteed to get Kamala Harris, who is a raging lunatic that almost everyone instinctively loathes.Report
Tell me George, how big is the hole in that drum you keep beating? Because even Ron Johnson – himself now sickened with COVID – couldn’t find anything wrong that Biden did.Report
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/polls-biden-lead-widens-trump-coronavirus-seriously-avoided.htmlReport
Trump turnaround: Biden lead cut to 49%-47% as coronavirus, debate don’t hurt president
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-turnaround-biden-lead-cut-to-49-47-covid-debate-dont-hurt-presidentReport
This entire article sorta leaves out the _other_, much more complicated side:
What happens if Trump dies after after the electoral college votes (And casts enough votes for him to win, obviously.) on Dec 16, but before that vote is counted Jan 6?
Before that point, the electoral college will just vote for someone else, after that point, Trump will becomes president elect so Pence will end up being sworn in.
But between those two points, it can get very weird. Specifically, you can get points where a Republican elector (Just a single one), knowing the president could die, preemptively defected and voted for Pence as president, which then puts him on the list of ‘top three presidential candidates’ that the House can then vote for if the threshold of 270 votes is not met.
This then turns the VP election process into nonsense. The Senate can only pick the two winners there, and if the VP has already been picked to be president, he’s probably ineligible to be vice president.
If Trump becomes very ill around December 15 or so, enough for the party to figure this out, but doesn’t die until later, it is entirely possible to end up with Pence as president and _Kamala Harris_ as vice president. Or Biden as president and Pence as vice president. All sorts of dumb things can happen.Report