So You Say You Want to Make a Meatloaf?
As far as I’m concerned, there is one way and only one way to make a meatloaf. Growing up, it was simply meatloaf. We ate it. It was delicious. And that was that. When my mom re-married and my stepfather moved in, suddenly there was a new meatloaf in town*. This one had carrots and celery in it. There was something tomatoey baked into it and some sort of alien-ketchup glaze baked onto the top. This was not meatloaf. Not MY meatloaf, anyway. And not any meatloaf I’d ever eat. Thankfully, my mom intervened with the real-deal meatloaf and order was restored to the universe.
Since then, I’ve come to understand “my meatloaf” as Italian and/or New York style meatloaf. This seems to make sense, given that my mother was an Italian from the greater New York area. It also explains my stepfather’s meatloaf (well, as best as it could be explained): he grew up primarily in the mid-west where people are most generally not Italian, not New Yorkers, and ohbytheway have terrible palates and eat the worst food known to man.
But I’m digressing. The point is, I’m going to share with you the One True Recipe for The World’s Best Meatloaf. And you are all going to love me for it. Even you mid-westerners, who likely balked at my description of your local cuisine before begrudgingly nodding and hoping you weren’t forever banished from Meat Loaf Heaven.
Ingredients:
- 1 lb ground beef
- 1 cup seasoned bread crumbs
- 1/2 cup grated parmesan
- 1/2 cup diced onion
- 2 eggs
- parsley (fresh or dry, but fresh is much better)
- salt, pepper, and garlic powder to taste
- milk
Recipe:
- Mix all ingredients except milk well.
- Slowly mix in milk until the mixture won’t absorb any more.
- Free-form into loaf on lined baking sheet.
- Bake at 375-degrees for approximately one hour.
- Eat.
- Pass out.
- Wake up.
- Cut remaining meatloaf into thin slices, fry in butter until browned, and make a sandwich using Wonder bread and ketchup.
- Send Kazzy a ‘Thank You’ card in the mail.
Seems simple, eh? Well it is, and it isn’t. First off, you’ve REALLY got to mix the ingredients well. I tend to use my hands for the first few minutes and then finish it off in the stand mixer, slowly pouring the milk in until the appropriate moistness is reached. And, if you want it to be extra delectable, you’ve got to have the time and the patience to clean and chop the fresh parsley. There are also some minor variations you can make to it (and none of them involve adding vegetables, mind you). I like a course chop on my onion because I like the texture it adds. You are free to chop it finer. I’ll sometimes finish mine off under the broiler for a few minutes because I like a good crust, but be careful because it can quickly burn and/or dry out. You can use different types of meat, including ground chicken and buffalo, but you need to account for the lower fat content. Both usually require an extra egg, and I’ll often make the chicken-loaf into two smaller ones to avoid drying it out. Traditionally only black pepper is used, but if I’m making the meatloaf just for myself, I’ll add some white pepper in there (Zazzy can’t take much heat). If you haven’t yet explored white pepper and you like heat… what the hell are you waiting for? It adds intense, flavorful, back-of-the-mouth heat that won’t burn your taste buds off. You also need to pay attention to the cooking time and what level of doneness you are seeking. I generally cook it to medium, because I find this tends to best highlight the flavors and I tend to be skeptical of beef that was ground by anyone but myself. If I ground my own meat and am using a better cut, I might tend towards medium-rare.
So there you have it. Kazzy’s Mom’s Famous Meatloaf. In some parts, it is known as Lonely Cowboy Meatloaf, due to an (un?)fortunate instance wherein I ate an entire one myself once, sitting alone in a parking lot, wearing a cowboy hat, because my friends thought it was funnier to photograph this than to actually join me as planned.
* This was one of many innocent faux pas my stepfather made that almost led to a riot in our household. It is not easy being a step-parent. My hat is off to those among us who successfully navigate those waters. Just don’t fuck up the meatloaf, mmmkay?
All I had to do was read the ingredients list.
Dude.
No bacon?Report
I’ve tried three approaches to incorporating bacon:
1.) One was to grind the bacon into the meat. This didn’t work. Bacon doesn’t grind. Not raw anyway. It was stringy and doesn’t cook crisp when mixed.
2.) I’ve tried to drape bacon over and around it. This imparts a solid bacony flavor but makes it hard to get a good crust on it, which I think is important.
3.) I’ve tried to cook the bacon first and then break it into the mix. The problem is, I tend to just eat the bacon.
Call me crazy, but as much as I love bacon, I don’t know that it necessarily augments every dish. This is one of those times.Report
Ah, I see.
Yes, #1 and #3 are out.
I can see the objection to #2 on the basis of crust.
My solution? Cook it the #2 way, eat one slice with mashed potatoes, and save the rest of the meatloaf for frying, which is the proper way to eat meatloaf anyway (and imparts said crustiness).Report
Heh; I’m only just now getting to the process.
See, you already *know* the right way to eat meatloaf!Report
Mama didn’t raise no fool.Report
That might be it, right there. I’m curious to see what b-pscyho has to say.
Of course, you can always replace any and all fats (which the eggs are) with bacon. You’ll still want some egg to serve as a binding agent, but mixing some bacon fat in, especially if you are using a leaner base protein… well, I wouldn’t shiv you for it.Report
Dude, you were doing great until you got to this:
Negative. I repeat, negative on number eight.
Copy back, please.Report
It is entirely possible that is a better method. But what New York-based Italian has those laying around? *I* do… but I’m not a typical New York-based Italian.
And I thought it went without saying that garlic mashed potatoes were the perfect compliment to meatloaf. But thank you for pointing that out.Report
I would like to know what a Californian thinks “Cajun blackening seasonings” are.Report
SHOTS FIRED!Report
me too… I’m familiar with the Holy Trinity, and roux… but what the hell does a Californian mean by that???Report
I’ve been told by my betters that blackening isn’t really Cajun.Report
a nearly-black roux is certainly cajun.Report
My wife says she makes rue very dark but never black. The first people around here heard about blackened food was Paul Prudhomme and his blackened redfish.Report
*nods* yeah, actually black is burnt! and who wants burnt flour? yuck.
I’ve never spent any time in anyplace that’s properly cajun, and just a coupla days in Nawlins, but, I do love to read about food!Report
The beating heart of Acadia is Lafayette, Louisiana.Report
I’ve seen roux of various hues, but only in NOLA did I see a black roux. Now my experience is by no means any guide to these things, for I was taught to make roux by a woman of colour, from the Creole tradition, but if it got darker than shoe leather, especially if it got black spots in it, I was taught to throw it out and wash the cast iron within an inch of its life.
Furthermore, I was taught to make roux on butter and all-purpose flour in cast iron, which does not lend itself to a terribly dark roux.
I have seen Paul Prudhomme make roux and do not approve of either his high heat or his whisk. Roux is made with a spatula and is done slowly. I cannot abide bitter roux.Report
You still owe us a roux recipe, sir.
Don’t think we’ve forgotten.
Sincerely,
EveryoneReport
Blackened food was always called creole when I was a kid. The old joke went something like this: “If a cajun chef burns her food, she says, ‘Eh, let’s start over.’ If a creole chef burns her food, she says, ‘Eh, let’s add more spice.'”Report
My hunch is that the confusion comes from outsiders using the terms “Cajun” and “Creole” interchangeably.Report
Probably. Here’s my method: ask them to say the word “baby.” If you can then imitate the way they say it, they’re cajun. If it contains phonemes you’ve never heard before, they’re creole.Report
I don’t know about phonemes, but when the mother of my children, a born and raised in New Roads cajun and whose maiden name ended with an “eau” went to Fairbanks, about half the people she talked to thought she was a New York Jew.Report
*blink* that’s about as weird as people thinking I’m from Britain. Or Philly.Report
Cayenne pepper, onion, red pepper, black pepper, celery seed, hot and sweet paprika, garlic, parsley, thyme, savory.Report
I admit to ignorance of the distinction between cajun and creole.Report
Creole’s from The City — in this case Nawlins
Cajun’s country cookin, from the bayousReport
There are varying definitions on this front. As an honorary Cajun, dubbed into that fraternity by Terry Angelle (of blessed memory) at Whiskey River Landing, I have been told the essential difference between Cajun and Creole is the time of their arrival. The first wave of acadien arrived from Nova Scotia. The second wave, which corresponds to your NOLA definition, came from Haiti, refugees from Toussaint L’Ouverture’s slave revolt. It was the second wave which build the “French” Quarter, which is nothing of the sort.
The simplest of all distinctions between these cultures is musical. The Cajun music is almost all in waltz time, 3/4 or in two-step. Fiddle music. Creole culture gives us Zydeco: Clifton Chenier. If it’s got a rub-board, c’est zodeco. Both musical traditions honour each other and are always welcome in each other’s establishments, but they are separate.Report
is the first wave cajun or creole?
I bow to your wisdom.Report
The first wave is acadien. And do not bow before my wisdom in these things. I was a guest among them and they took me in, a lonely travelling man whose African French was a perpetual source of embarrassment in the company of modern Frenchmen. I cannot sufficiently express my gratitude to the Cajun and Creole people I met and cannot wait to move down to New Orleans, starting on the 17th.Report
The acadiens are cajun. In fact, that’s pretty much what cajun is. The creole people came from all over the new world, and there’s spanish as well as french in their anscestry.Report
Well, yes. Acadien is Cajun. Creole is fundamentally Caribbean. But the first Creole culture was white, the Haitian aristocracy in exile.Report
My wife the dance instructor says a good definition of zydeco is the cajun waltz with happy feet.Report
Seriously, Wonder Bread and ketchup? You’ve just destroyed centuries of New Yorkers pretending to be more sophisticated than the rubes.Report
The Red Sox fan in my rejoices!Report
Burt,
I will one-up you. Around here we just eat the meatloaf cold on some WonderBread (or Butternut). Now that is a quality breakfast.Report
I like to incorporate a lil pork into mine, whether its some sausage or by wrapping it in bacon.Report
See above for a conversation about bacon. You can certainly play with the meat mixture… I’ve used ground pork and veal as well in conjunction with beef. My trouble with the bacon is noted: no crispy crust. If you have a remedy for this, please share!Report
Depends on your definition of “crust” I suppose. For the bacon one the overhead broiler has been sufficient, though I tend more towards adding sausage.
I’ve done one where the sausage incorporated was chorizo before. Gotta be a good kind though, not that crap in the tube that just turns to undifferentiated grease. Meat department at a local grocery here makes a good one, plenty meaty and spiced without dominating.Report
Wonder bread?
Really?Report
First off, this is basically the way I ate it growing up.
More importantly, while I am generally fine to leave Wonder Bread to the unwashed masses, somehow it works perfectly with greasy, buttery fried meatloaf. The goal is to get it such that the bread is basically see through and functions solely to keep your hands from getting gunked up.Report
It’s also really the only thing for peanut butter sandwiches; I don’t why. Usually I hate that crap, but it’s just right for the PB (no J).Report
Okay, the *right* way to make the meatloaf sandwich is to fry the meatloaf, then put it on two slices of sourdough and fry the sourdough. No cheese, though. That’s crazy-talk.Report
First off, who said ANYTHING about cheese? Blasphemy.
And, more to the point, the sandwich is typically a morning-after and/or hangover meal. It doesn’t necessarily get the forethought needed to ensure fresh sourdough. But, yes, if you want to class it up, that sounds like a fine way to go.Report
Sourdough. Now you’re talking.
To me, once it’s in my mouth Wonder Bread feels like someone covered my meat and veggies in a vaguely-bread flavored paste.Report
Extra sour rye works excellently.
I however grant that most people don’t understand why rye bread is awesome. I blame it on the political parties.Report
The Official Bread Of The League! 😉Report
(I’m secretly curious how long my elitist reference to Wonder Bread can stand unchallenged… a few more minutes and I might declare the LoOG as a whole far more bourgee that we realized…)Report
When I do get plain white bread (which is rare — it doesn’t seem to last long, always end up having to throw out the last bit) it’s the cheap ass store brand. If you’re gonna slum it, why pay more?Report
I don’t see Wonder Bread so much as slumming it as a very limited bread. There are a handful of things that Wonder Bread is great for. But it doesn’t have the taste or versatility of most other breads. As far as basic white breads go, it is the best. I think there is a noticeable difference between Wonder Bread and generic white bread.
Also, my hometown had a Wonder Bread store in it. Was this not common?!?!?!Report
I’ll admit to a curiosity at what particular bread was used at my encounters with the burnt ends sandwich while in Kansas City. Was just plain white bread visually but seemed to break down from its starch to sweetness quicker than I can recall possible.Report
Both where I grew up and where I lived down south for a few years had Wonder Bread stores. Hell, high school years I was walking distance from a Wonder Bread factory.Report
Phew… I thought I might have been crazy.
The Wonder Bread store was wonderful. It closed when I was still young, but if memory serves, it literally was just rows and rows of Wonder Bread.Report
The answer was one minute after you threw down the challenge.Report
Not sure I follow…
I’m referring to my comment that I normally leave Wonder Bread to the unwashed masses which, if seriously stated and consequently deconstructed, is a horribly offensive statement.Report
“Once a year, put aside nutritional admonitions against white bread and mayonnaise and indulge in the classic, inimitable tomato sandwich. The bread must be spongy and fine-grained. The mayo must be Hellmann’s regular. The tomato must border overripe. Add only salt and pepper.
Julia Child, in a 2002 interview with Larry King, confessed her adoration for this exact combination, specifying Wonder Bread. King dubbed it the Julia Child Tomato Sandwich.”Report
If you’re eating white bread, it SHOULD be Wonder Bread.
I steer clear of Wonder/white bread for two main reasons:
– nutrition
– versatility
As I’ve said, Wonder/white bread is *PERFECT* for some things. But there are a great number of applications for which it is sub-ideal, and these are the applications most common at least in my household (sandwiches, toast). I take no moral, class, or cultural stand on the matter… I simply think, in a vacuum, most other breads are tastier. Many folks do take such stands though and should be admonished for unnecessary food snobbery (which is distinct from necessary food snobbery, would is entirely justified).Report
Mea culpa. I thought you were referring to criticsm of Wonder Bread itself. Tod was on that pretty hard, pretty fast. (And I’m not contradicting him.)Report
I was going a different direction with the joke, given how many discussions we’ve had around here of late about the generally ah…rather ‘pale’ nature of the LoOG’s reader/writer demographics.Report
Well played. Particularly ironic because there are also racial stereotypes about black folks and Wonder/white bread.Report
Are there? I had no idea. Did you ever see Talladega Nights? Wonder Bread was Ricky Bobby’s sponsor, he had huge logos all over his car and clothes. Where I’m from, calling someone ‘Wonder Bread’ is a reference to how white they are.
AND now my joke – not that great to begin with – is well and truly dead.
I like the fact that the food posts you and Sam have done both have a semi-confrontational tone to them.
I think when it comes to food, that’s when the Gentlemanly gloves need to come off.Report
I should clarify with regards to the racial element of Wonder/white bread.
Working in crunchy independent schools, we are often at the forefront of food movements. Twice I’ve had black colleagues comment on the discomfort they feel when white educators start waxing in about the evils of Wonder/white bread, since such bread is more often than not what black kids are growing up and eating. This is likely a blend of race, culture, and class, but I’ve only heard the discomfort from black folks.
In a nutshell, it is one thing to talk about the health benefits of whole grains over processed and bleached flours. It is quite another to say that parents who give their kids Wonder Bread should be looked at for abuse (no joke).
“Racial stereotypes” was the wrong term. My apologies. But, more broadly, there are racial, cultural, and class elements to many food debates/snobbery, with Wonder Bread becoming an odd symbol for some of the divides that exist.
There is more to it that I can’t quite articulate, unfortunately.
To your other points, folks ought to be confrontational with their recipes. Come hard or not at all!Report
Dammit. What’s Kain’s e-mail again? (or Jay’s, since he’s so kind as to post my random natterings…) Now I’ve got to do a post on Jamaican Blue Mountain and Wonder Bread….Report
Sigh. It’s all over my webpage.Report
I always wondered why they call that shit bread. I like the stuff my mom called “weeds & sticks” bread. Or a good sharp sourdough. Marbled rye makes good sammiches too.Report
Wonder bread is for eating with barbecue, you uncouth Yankee.Report
1. I had been planning my own post on this topic. So, grumble.
2. Re: your recipe – wrong.Report
Bring. It. On.
I see no reason we can’t have dueling meatloafs. Or, better yet, a meatloaf symposium!Report
1. 2 lbs ground beef (85-15 sounds good)
2. 1 lb hot ground italian sausage (open up some casings if you can’t find the real deal)
3. 1 cup italian bread crumbs
4. a heaping portion of Worcestershire sauce (a half-cup perhaps?)
5. salt, pepper, other spices
6. An egg.
7. Optional (because I have kids and a wife that don’t eat them): onions
Mix thoroughly, shape, cook for an hour and a half (ish) at 350-375.
Really want to show off? My mother used to put hard-boiled eggs (peeled, obviously) into the meatloaf before cooking, so that when cutting it up, you’d get slices of hard-boiled egg soaked in meat juices.Report
Man, I can’t get past people who do odd consistency things. I’ll eat a deviled egg with a meatloaf, all day long.
Put that in there? That’s wretched. It squicks me out.Report
Whole pearl onions, though? Yum.Report
Hmmm… this is interesting…
On the topic, Rays the Classics in Silver Spring, MD (sister restaurant of Rays the Steaks in Virginia) which is dollar-for-dollar the best steak I’ve ever had, has their own version of deviled eggs where the yolk mix is replaced with steak tartare. Sounds weird.. feels a bit weird… but, holy crap!Report
I don’t do the egg thing. I stick to the simple 2:1 ground beef to other meat (it can be ground pork or turkey or veal) ratio, make sure to get the additional liquid in there (for moisture’s sake), and spice it. Then cook, slice, and serve.Report
We’re not too far off, really. Does your 3lb. monstrosity cook through in 90 minutes? Do you go for longer and skinnier? Or cook it rarer?Report
If you’re worried it isn’t cooked through, let it go for 2 hours.
I use a meatloaf/bread dish.
I also cook for leftovers. A good meatloaf can get two solid dinners and a cold slice for lunch on day three.Report
If I’m eating well, Zazzy and I can get similar out of my one-pounder.
If I’m not… well, the Lonely Cowboy DID eat a whole one once.Report
2 hours, huh?
Now I’m wondering if I can smoke a meatloaf.
Now that I’ve thought of it, I think I have to try.Report
Parchment paper! Of course!
Okay, now I totally need to try this.Report
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/steel-grill-perforated-meatloaf-pan/
My mom bought me this recently so I can make meatloaf in the summer months. I’m yet to use it, and it might too deflect the heat and/or reduce surface exposure to smoke but it’s worth a looksie.Report
This recipie is much closer to what I’m used to in my meatloaf. Excepting that I now blacken mine, as discussed ad delicium above.Report
Re-reading that recipe…why the milk?Report
Moisture purposes.Report
Um…how lean is the meat you’re using? I’ve never used milk and never had an issue with moisture.Report
It depends, especially if I’m grinding my own. It’s never really a lot of milk and may be wholly unnecessary but… I’ve never had a dry meatloaf using it and damned if I’m about to risk that now.Report
…I hate you so much right now. I is jealous.Report
Oh, it is not hard at all, brother!
If you’ve got the default KitchenAid stand mixer, you can get a workable meat grinding attachment. Mine was a hand-me-down, so I can’t speak much to cost, but I think most of the add-ons are between $100-200… which is to say more than they ought to be but still worth the price. The money I save on ground chicken alone is worth it…Report
Holy Jeebus, I was way off!
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/94052/?catalogId=91&bnrid=3120901&cm_ven=Google_PLA&cm_cat=Electrics&cm_pla=Mixers_Attachments&cm_ite=KitchenAid_Stand_Mixer_Food_Grinder_Attachment&adtype=pla&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=94052
$50 on sale! That is the plastic one, which is what I have. Over the years, mine got a small crack which occasionally will leak out juices. It appears there is a more expensive metal one. But if you care for it (mine was rescued from the basement, where the crack presumably developed), plastic should serve you. Unless you are skeevy about plastic.Report
Don’t have. And from search looks a bit rich for my blood.
Pity. Much as I’d love to tinker with that and grind my own. Between spotting regular deals on bulk meats and having deer hunters in the fam in a region so chock full of deer I see one every other night…oh, I could do some thangs. I’ve got a small food processor type thing I use for fresh mincing garlic (the kind in the jar is never pungent enough, IMO. I want the full funk) & blending spices on occasion, that and a meat grinder would be a deadly combo.Report
Kitchenaid’s great for making ice cream too!
And whipping up some fresh whipped cream.
And pies, and cakes, and mashed potatoes!Report
Those would not be mashed potatoes ma’am, but whipped potatoes. And nary a whipped potato will cross this man’s plate. I like my potatoes like I like my ummm… something… WHATEVER! I like them with the skin on and CHUNKY!Report
I got me a tater masher at home! It gets used before the Kitchenaid (which is mostly for mixing salt/butter in).
My taters are still lumpy, they are still mashed!
(oh, and my Kitchenaid makes good bread too).Report
You may be able to find a standalone one that doesn’t involve hand cranking (I can’t imagine doing that for any large quantities of meat). The KitchenAids aren’t cheap, though I’d venture to guess you could get similar quality without the brand name for less. KA’s are what you’ll see in everyone’s kitchen, so they charge a premium, but they are far from the only game in town. They also have a wealth of attachments, some great (like the meat grinder or pasta maker) and some a bit silly (ice cream maker) but the sky is the limit.
Anyway, should you procure the ability to grind your own meat (especially with the deer hunters in the area!), you won’t be sorry. And, use it enough and it will eventually pay for itself.Report
Check your local pawn shop.
Kitchenaid is one thing you should have in your kitchen.Report
Maybe we should start a fund… Operation Get b-pscyho a Kitchen-Aid?Report
I take donations at my site. Unless someone wants to set up a kickstarter or somethin’.
If I come up with a particularly nice recipe I shall share with everyone.Report
Do you have a large food processor, b-psycho? I know Mark Bittman has instructions on using one to grind meat in one. Not sure if it would have good results but the man has yet to steer me wrong on anything food-related.Report
The one I have isn’t big enough. Says 20 ounce on the box but that’s pushin it considering how low the blades are.Report
Yes, they are pricey. Worth it, though. I consider my Kitchenaid mixer as valuable a tool as my Cuisinart food processor, only one step down in priority from good knives.Report
My girlfriend stood by at the hotel desk, appalled, as I gave away a perfectly serviceable printer/fax combo and a monitor when I checked out of the hotel in Baton Rouge. Everything has to fit in the truck. No matter how ruthlessly I have pared down my possession count, I will never be parted from my Kitchenaid mixer.
My kitchen stuff is precious cargo. Three good copper bottom pans and a stock pot, ceramic knives, a Zojirushi rice cooker, a Dualit convection oven, Kitchenaid blender and mixer — used to have another mixer but it was a cheapie and tore up. Before I got serious about cooking for myself on the road, I put on 14 kilos from restaurant fare. Never again.Report
eesh… ceramic knives?? you can’t even hone those things…Report
Roughly annually, they must be taken to a professional and entrusted with her for several days to maintain their edges. On the other hand, they slice like a dream. Sometimes you want a nice heavy knife like for meats and root vegetables, and sometimes you want a light one for herbs or breads. My ceramic santoku knife is a permanent addition to my collection.Report
It’s not meatloaf with only one kind of meat in it, this is just a big spicy hamburger that you’re slicing for a sandwich!
Classic meatloaf was equal parts ground beef, pork and veal, most folks I know now are just doing beef/pork, I mostly do beef and italian sausage. We eat it with mashed potatoes on the side and make sandwiches the next day with leftovers.
A ketchup-based glaze is an important addition because it keeps the top of your meatloaf from being too crusty while the inside finishes cooking. The proper way to do it is to brush on once the top starts to brown (I use ketchup, worcestershire, garlic, pepper and lots of smoked paprika).Report
“It’s not meatloaf with only one kind of meat in it, this is just a big spicy hamburger that you’re slicing for a sandwich!”
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
I compare it more to a meatball, as I don’t like to gum up my burgers with breadcrumbs. Though meatballs also often have a meat mixture.
Perhaps my family had a bizarre bias towards beef? Might have something to do with grandpappy being eaten alive by a pig.Report
*blink* *blink* that last statement’s true…?
… and people think some of my stories are strange.Report
True? Who needs true? IT SELLS, BABY!Report
This comment explains so very, very muchReport
… the fact that I can pull news stories on people who got eaten by pigs on da farm?Report
Milk and ground beef do not mix. That’s just nasty.
One trick I do with hamburgers is to finely chop fresh cherries and knead them into the mix. The cherry bits release moisture during cooking while the sugar caramelizes so it’s not sweet. I don’t know if this would work in a baked loaf though. It could solve your moisture problem but make the whole thing too sweet.
True story: My grandmother (who made the midwest style meatloaf you describe, complete with ketchup baked on top) once decided to do something new for a Sunday dinner instead of the more typical meatloaf. No ketchup on this variety; the whole thing looked like a tray full of pink, uncooked ground beef. I eyed it suspiciously. My brothers had long since learned to trust my every movement at the fine dining experiences (read: etiquette tests) at Grandma and Grandpa’s, so the bros also stared at the strange meat-mass and looked horrified. This time, however, my instincts failed them. Grandma noticed what was going on and snapped at us: “Well, what’s wrong?!” (Very little would make Grandma snap, but insulting her cooking was a surefire way to do it.) I tried to look more appetized than I was and meekly inquired “Is this steak tartare?” Shock. Smiles. Laughs all around. “It’s HAM loaf!” So, ham loaf was a thing. Who knew?Report
says the man who’s never had a bolognese.Report
I don’t follow. To me, bolognese is a beef ragú. I’ve not had it in loaf form.Report
yeah, bolognese is not a loaf. but he said “milk and ground beef do not mix”… and they do in plenty of dishes.Report
Ah. Copy that. Thanks for the clarification.Report
You lost me at the no tomato sauce point. Midwestern meatloaf contains tomato sauce, but Italian meatloaf doesn’t? We’ve just picked up where you abandoned your ethnic roots.
I might give yours a try (minus the frying–I’m 47 and want to live to at least 50), but my kids will probably rebel, especially if I don’t put capers in it.Report
No tomato sauce. No vegetables at all, save for the onions (if you consider those to be a ‘vegetable’). As others have pointed out, this is more akin to a giant meatball, though the cooking style greatly alters both the taste and the texture.
How old/high-minded/douchey are your kids that they’d rebel over absent capers?
Speaking of capers, which makes me think of olives, and gives me an excuse to offer this up… I am increasingly making things “dirty”, as in using the olive brine to add a unique saltiness to dishes and drinks. The best use yet I’ve found is in a Bloody Mary. I don’t often eat capers… is their liquid similar? Or is it more oil-based?Report
My kids are young; they just have good taste. They also love capers on their pizza (with olives and feta). I think the liquid in capers is pretty similar to that in olives, fairly briny, but not real oily, I don’t think.
But now I see where your tomato juice is going. I’ve never dared try a bloody Mary, as I just can’t quite fathom putting tomato juice and Worcester sauce in my precious vodka. Orange juice, sure. Milk and coffe liqueur? That’s my standard cocktail. But food in my liquor? That just sound like a terrible mistake. But maybe I’m just a Philistine.Report
You’ve… you’ve never had a Bloody Mary?
Is that possible? IS THAT LEGAL?!?!
Holy crap dude… we NEED to hang out!Report
And, don’t get me wrong, capers are good and that pizza sounds delicious. Kudos to you for providing your kids an expanded palette. I just find it funny that a younger kid would say, “F you, dad. I’m not eating meatloaf sans capers!”Report
Well, my kids are funny critters. They have strong opinions on things. They’ll eat the meatloaf, but I’ll get the really disapproving looks and the pathetic sighs of disappointment. And as delicious as capers are, who can blame them?Report
A good Bloody is a thing of beauty. Food and liquor all in one. Restores, renews, re-vivifies – complete satisfaction. If you find a place or a bartender who makes a good one, rejoice.
There’s a local place that uses a smoked rib as a stirrer/garnish in theirs.Report
James, a Bloody Mary is part of a balanced breakfast. All God’s people know this is so. Your precious vodka goes down the savoury route quite as well as the sweet.Report
Truth be told, I’d probably make half my drinks (morning, noon, and night) a Bloody Mary if it weren’t for A) price, B) the difficulty finding a good one, and C) BM^2, if you know what I’m talking about.
Another tip… make a Bloody Mary with fresh tomato juice. As in what you get when you pour a bushel of tomatoes through a juicer. It will change your life. Just stir constantly and/or drink quickly to avoid separating.Report
And, of course, use jalapeno-infused vodka.Report
Last night, I took a buttload of fresh tomatoes, cleaned and halved them, put them on my cookie sheets with two chopped yellow onions, white and black pepper, maybe a tablespoon of Tony Chachere’s, minced basil and oh maybe half a dozen cloves of chopped garlic. Roasted the whole thing at 450F for 20 minutes, caramelised it all.
Heated up about two quarts of chicken stock.
Threw the roasted stuff into the blender, added chicken stock, gave each blender full a minute on high. Put in back in the stock pot, reduced by perhaps a third. Et voilà, tomato soup. Ate too much of it with hot baguette and cheese, froze the rest.Report
I want to burp just reading that.Report
I must demur. The word “buttload” does not belong in a recipe.Report
Unless it’s Smoked Boston Butt Roast, in which case it’s unavoidable.Report
Honorable Mention, G-man, with a star for firstness.Report
Unless , of course, you’re throwing meat on overnight for pulled pork. Then I believe buttload is the actual measurement of pork.Report
Thread winner, Tod. Now let’s have that recipe.Report
So far, we’re waiting on…
…Murali’s grilled cheese
…BlaiseP’s roux
…Rtod’s pulled pork
…whatever Sam wants to throw at us
Fall’s comin’, boys. On with the comfort food.Report
Jaybird’s psketti sauce.Report
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And, at least in my time here, I believe we owe a debt of gratitude to Jason Kuzniki, who got the food post ball rolling with his pie crust recipe. Am I remembering this correctly?Report
*cough*
Yours truly has been offering food advice online since the days of the Bush Administration. See, e.g., Chicken parm and a cautionary note about custard, January 14, 2008. Formal, standalone recipes like risotto milanese also since at least 2008.
Not to diminish or disparage the growing food and beverage culture here. I love it. Even if Murali uses partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil as his fat and browning agent for toasted cheese sandwiches, for no good reason that I can think of since it’s less healthy than real butter and doesn’t taste nearly as good. Vive l’difference.Report
No okra, Blaise?Report
No okra?
Couldn’t get any. That gumbo was made in the Extended Stay in the Twin Cities area, an okra-deprived landscape. My g/f brought up the roaster from Eau Claire.
I tend to make huge quantities of gumbo and freeze it up in two-serving containers. I’ll also make up roux and freeze it in ice cube trays, then add a cube into anything wanting rouxification.
As such, this “land” gumbo provides a good starting point for anything I want to throw in it such as the odd shrimp or frozen crawfish, neither of which want much cooking and should not be added to an overnight cooking. I don’t add much Tony’s heat to this, nor file, both can be added later. Okra follows this rule of later addition.Report
BlaiseP-
I’m going to lock you out of these comments if you mention your roux one more time without giving us the recipe.
Seriously.Report
Butter Roux:
Melt one stick of butter in a clean cast iron frypan, slowly, slowly. Do not allow it to brown. Reserve perhaps a tablespoon of butter, cut it off and leave it in the paper.
Add tablespoons of all purpose flour, stirring in with a spatula. It will reach an almost Play-doh consistency, though if you’re lucky, you’ll hit the sweet spot before that point and it will slump down. Once it reaches that consistency, add the remaining tablespoon of butter. The melted butter should “carry” as much flour as it can. If you see liquid butter roaming around the pan, you haven’t added enough flour.
Sometimes a roux will go rogue. Should black spots appear in the roux, it cannot be rescued and must be thrown out. This is usually a problem with the frypan, though I am not entirely sure. A properly seasoned frypan won’t have this problem. It doesn’t happen often but it is a caution.
Hereafter, there are two schools of thought and I have no particular preference. Cover the frypan and put the roux into a 325F oven and allow it to brown. This method is better for darker roux, much to be preferred for sea gumbo.
But stovetop will work fine as well. Turn down the fire as low as it will go, cover the pan and stir at regular intervals, every 10 to 15 minutes will do fine.
You will observe the bottom of the roux getting darker than the top. Using the spatula, move the roux about until it’s consistent. Darken to a desired degree.
I am a butter man, for so I was taught. Others work with canola oil or corn oil. Roux is an article of faith.Report
As the seasons roll around, it is the time when folks with gardens inflict their excess tomatoes, cucumbers, onions and peppers upon their unsuspecting friends. And thus it was with me.
Before I head down to NOLA, I am currently camped out with the g/f in Eau Claire, a home with far too many things in it. I found a gigantic old pickling jar and feel I must do something with these cucumbers.Report
I took a buttload of fresh tomatoes
Great. Now I’m going to lay awake wondering just how many tomatoes Blaise can fit up his ass.Report
James, you are a silly person. You should know a buttload is six seams or two hogsheads. A seam is eight bushels.Report
That’s a lot of ass-tomatoes!Report
It’s not an exact conversion.
More of an asstimate.Report
I am partial to putting sriracha in my Bloody Marys now.Report
Russel! BRINGING THE HEAT!
Sriracha, fresh horseradish, black/white/red pepper, jalapeno infused vodka, Tabasco or Crystal hot sauce, Old Baby (bonus points for a rimjob)… find the right proportion of these, and you’ll breath fire and love every second of it. The olive brine is key, as well, but isn’t a heat component. I am personally partial to the New Orleans style, with pickled green beans.
To anyone in DC, I recommend this spot: http://www.theheightsdc.com/wp-content/uploads/Bloody-Menu.pdf
It’s a bit hipstery (right in the heart of Columbia Heights), but there are few better Saturdays than sitting out on the patio and working with a crew of friends to build the perfect Bloody Mary. By the 3rd or 4th one, you won’t even remember where you started.Report
bonus points for a rimjob
Butt of course.Report
a Bloody Mary is part of a balanced breakfast. All God’s people know this is so.
Well, that may be the problem. God’s people cast me out long ago.Report
I have it on good authority that God, The Devil and Charles Darwin meet once a month for brunch & Bloodys.
There’s no reason you should miss out.Report
It’s not meatloaf without cheddar cheese mixed in.Report
Kazzy,
First off, how awesome is it that a meatloaf thread is now 98 comments deep?
Second, my go-to recipe is almost exactly like yours except for one minor variation. I use 8 slices of white bread (Butternut) instead of the bread crumbs and soak them in the milk for about 10 minutes. Then I add everything else and mix well with my hands. The bread gives the meatloaf the perfect texture IMO.
I also do some more gourmet variations with spinach and feta and some other items but the family keeps requesting grandma’s recipe.Report
I still think half of the people commenting think we’re discussing the Meatloaf pictured above. I have to assume that explains the popularity. But, yes, pushing a meatloaf post beyond 100 posts does make me tingle in all the right places.
More importantly, I feel we might be meatloaf kindred spirits. I like that.
And when you mention soaking bread in milk, I immediately leap to thinking of soaking it in buttermilk. Is this the milk you mean? If not, what do you think the result would be? I should also point out that I do experiment with making my own “bread crumbs” from a variety of sources (Triscuit makes a quality crumb especially if you’re trying to stay whole grain and you don’t need to let it stale). The processor works well for this.Report
Awesome²: a meatloaf thread on a blog that is heavy on dudes. Impressive.Report
ground turkey, zucchini, onion, seasoned bread crumbs, a little bit of ranch dressing mix and an egg. baste with ketchup/steaksauce/hint of sriracha mixture. Make sure the turkey is not extra lean and save some sauce for serving. free form the loaf and in the oven.Report
I felt really left out with this post (since not only have I never had meatloaf in the past, I’m not going to have any meatloaf in the future) So, if we are going to do recipe blogging, I’ve got an idea for a grilled cheese sandwich post. I want to test the waters a bit to see what the demand for such a post is. Do you think I should go ahead?Report
Try some vegetarian meatloaf.Report
This is what I’m talking about when I talk about the world going to hell in a handbasket.Report
I didn’t want to say anything… but, yea, J-Bird nailed it. Even the libertarians among us can agree that such travesties should be outlawed, yes?
Vegetarian food is at its best when it’s not trying to be non-vegetarian food. I’d rather eat a well-made ratatouille than vegetarian meatloaf.Report
Generally I agree, but I’ve has too many amazing black bean burgers to make this an ironclad rule.Report
Yeah, there’s a local joint that makes a veggie burger that can give many beef ones a run for their money. If you put it up against the best beef burger it still loses, but I’d put in my area top 10, and that’s saying something.Report
They make a pretty high quality black-bean burger at my work. It’s got some heat to it, which makes it passable and downright enjoyable if I’m eating healthy. Plus the beef burgers are meh… cafeteria grade.
I’m not saying there is no such thing as a faux meat dish. Only that there are plenty of great veggie dishes that don’t even need to be faux to be delicious.Report
And have you ever had a portobello mushroom sandwich? A beef patty size shroom between two buns–awesome.Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68wZOVOoIkReport
I dunno, Chris’s vegie meatloaf recipe looks like it might be tasty. Maybe it just needs to be called something other than [oxymoronically] vegie meatloaf so as not to immediately turn off lovers of meat.Report
“Veggie log” doesn’t sound any better.Report
Ick. Sure doesn’t. How about … Savory Vegie Patties. Off the top of my head.Report
That doesn’t sound anything like meatloaf! I suppose “veggieloaf” is the obvious choice, but I’m going to go with Tom’s suggestion on this one.
Full disclosure: I’ve had, and enjoyed, vegetarian meatloaf. I was pretty much OK with it being called vegetarian meatloaf, even if that is an oxymoron, or perhaps something more like “The king of France is bald.”Report
I personally have no problem with calling it vegie meatloaf or vegie log or whatever– your link still looked like a tasty recipe to me. I was simply trying to help Jaybird and Kazzy out with their collective “Ewwws”. I was just thinking that perhaps if it’s not perceived as a “substitute” for the meat version, maybe it lives or dies on its own tasty (or un-) merits.Report
My point is that, if I wanted meatloaf, this likely would not satisfy me. But if you used those same ingredients for some awesome veggie dish, while not satisfying the meatloaf itch (which I believe is officially listed in the DSM IV), I’d probably enjoy it far more.Report
Call it “Ethical Food That Tastes Just As Good As Meat And I Also Don’t Own A Television”.Report
“Food to Vote Democratic To”Report
Now THAT’S funny.Report
Heh… There was a time when, if I were in a bar, say, and talking to someone I’d just met there, there were two things that person could say that would immediately cause me find an excuse to exit the conversation: “I don’t own a television” and using “derivative” as an adjective in a conversation about music.
“I find Fleet Foxes music to be derivative. Oh, they make interesting music videos? I wouldn’t know, I don’t own a television.”Report
I considered a post on the bizareness of criticizing music as “derivative”, but I don’t really know much about music. I was set off by a friend bashing band X for being too derivative of bands Y and Z, two bands he really enjoyed. He seemed positively flummoxed when I said, “Well, if you like Y and you like Z and X is like those two, why is that inherently bad?” I can see how blatant and poor imitation would be weak. But simply being inspired and influenced by a band? Isn’t that basically what all music is? Bleh.
That quote there would send most right-thinking people into a tizzy.Report
“Most rock journalism is people who can’t write, interviewing people who can’t talk, for people who can’t read.” – Frank ZappaReport
You know who else was a vegetarian.Report
I used to sit next to a cranky-ass old British expat telecom engineer. Favorite exchange ever:
“You don’t own a teevee?”
“I have discovered I can’t own a television and guns at the same time.”
A different spin on the television-denialists, that’s for sure.Report
There are things worse than vegetarian versions of non-vegetarian foods. All of those things involve turkey pretending to be non-turkey.Report
Word.Report
If I’d wanted mucilage, I’d’ve ordered mucilage.Report
Murali-
A grilled cheese post would be well received by myself. And I’d venture to guess by others.
Also, check out: http://smittenkitchen.com/
Good recipes that I think are vegetarian (if not officially so, most dishes are) and amazing photographs. I go there for a lot of my veggie side dishes, so they have a lot of entrees as well. If you see a post above by BlaiseP about the tomato soup he just made, they had a similar recipe there. One of my favorite dishes (in part because I can make it fairly quickly) are zucchini fritters. Basically it’s like a latka (potato pancake) but it is made with zucchini, so a great way to get a good dose of veggies, especially if they are fresh and in season.
But, yea, bring on the grilled cheese!Report
This comment made me think of this blog, which I used to read religiously back when I blogged at my old place and I haven’t been to it in forever. I don’t remember how I found it, but Wendy blogs about food and photos, and the food always sounds amazing and the photos are always awesome. She’s not a vegetarian, but she blogs vegetarian dishes fairly often (at least, she used to). I’m now looking at it again.Report
We really do eat with our eyes, no?Report
Murali:
A friend of mine is involved with this.
Show us whatcha got.Report
When I was a kid, if you put stuff that wasn’t cheese in it, it was a melt.
Now, a mac and cheese post, there’s an argument waiting to happen.Report
Mac’n’cheese? I’m actually surprised that hasn’t been posted yet (that I know of).Report
I won’t go near mac&cheese. If we had it growing up, it came from a box. As I’ve grown, I’ve come to enjoy numerous varieties in all their glory. I’d love to kibbitz on a post, but dare not right one myself with so many talented chefs around, and a large portion of them with Souther roots or influences.Report
Understandable. It is at base a super simple comfort food after all. Hell, if it’s just for me I’m not purely anti-box, I save scratch and effort for relatives on that.
My truly homemade take on mac’n’cheese makes its course less on complexity than on Shameless Overkill. Jumbo elbow noodles, plenty of real butter, heavy cream instead of milk (really), 5-6 different cheeses (I’ll get those “italian blend” bags plus co-jack or cheddar jack), and for additional flavor beyond the cream/butter/cheese combo I include with the requisite salt & pepper & paprika a hint of onion powder and a more-than-you-would-expect quantity of garlic. Half the cheese I use gets put with the cream and made into almost an alfredoesque sauce, which I put the noodles in, then layer in the pan with the rest of the cheese, making sure some is on top. No bread crumbs, that’s cheating.
My brother dubbed it “crackaroni”.Report
Yours sounds a lot like mine, b-psycho. Maybe I’ll submit a guest post on it and see where we can go, I think there’d be lots of room for argument on cheese selection, noodle type, as well as proper cheese sauce techniques. I’ll keep my secret ingredients to myself just in case I get around to writing it.
Of course, I like to have a box every now and then, it’s not even the same thing to me as the home-made kind. There’s a reason our northern neighbors purchase ‘Kraft Dinner’ instead of ‘Kraft Macaroni & Cheese’.Report
As a general preference, I prefer bigger noodles, very cheese, and a hard-almost-burnt-and-actually-burnt-in-some-places crust. No breadcrumbs. I like some savoriness mixed in, though I don’t want any cheeses that are too sharp. I like sharp cheddars, just not in my mac. And if you want to throw some pork product in… well, by all means! But, yea, I don’t know how to cook the stuff. I just know how I like to eat it.Report
On the way to the ballpark last night, we passed a cafe whose menu is entirely grilled cheese. And gourmet ramen is becoming a thing. I’m expecting, any day, to find a pricey sweet shop that specializes in fancied-up twinkies, ding-dongs and snowballs.Report
that wasn’t Melt was it?
… that store is a joke. literally.Report
I love to cook, but I’m pathologically compelled to tweak recipes. Even the old tried & trues. I admit, it’s a sickness. I’ve fielded no small amount of complaints about this quirk of mine, mostly from my kids who whined stuff like “just when you got the pot roast perfect, you go and change it!”
So I’m totally game. I’ll try your meatloaf recipe, but I doubt I won’t tweak it in some way. Someone mentioned capers … what a fabulous idea! Plus, I’m not sure I can keep at least a plop or two of Worcestershire from making its way into the mash.
I draw the line at ketchup, however. I’m a midwest gal, yes, but as far as I’m concerned ketchup belongs nowhere near hotdogs or meatloaf.
p.s. OMG all the awesome links in this thread! A proverbial candy store.Report
I don’t think I’ve ever made anything the exact same way twice.Report
I knew there were others out there like me. I like the idea of a support group. Cooks Anonymous or something. We share recipe tweaks and related trauma stories.Report
I am only just learning how to effectively use a recipe. Zazzy says I treat the kitchen like an episode of “Chopped”. I can freelance halfway decently, but struggle to follow directions, in part because I stupidly think, “I know it says to do THIS, but I’ll do THAT instead and I bet it’s a billion times better.”
I’m bad with directions. I’m a bad listener. And I don’t like being told what to do. Even by a recipe. Clearly I’m perfectly cut out to be a Pre-K teacher.Report
Heh. I hear you. I taught Pre-K myself for a few years.
I too am bad with following directions in the kitchen. (Constructing IKEA furniture, otoh, I’m all about the directions. I count screws.) After, crikey, 30+ years of cooking, I’ve found my tweaking compulsion serves me just fine as a cook, nevermind what my kids said.
But I do not bake.
Good results in baking requires following a very precise recipe, and any substitution/addition involves some kind of rocket science that eludes me. The extent of my baking skills stops at quick breads and an oatmeal-raisin cookie recipe that I’ve trained myself to follow to the letter because, well, I love oatmeal raisin cookies.Report
I’ve learned to bake only because I bake with my students alot. But, yea, there is no freelancing. It is much more chemistry. It is not nearly as hard as I thought, especially if using a stand mixer, but I still need to follow the recipe and follow it well. I watch cooking shows where people will make a cake from scratch just based on what they know about formulas. HUH?!?!
I tend to see cooking as a combination of art and science. There are specific forms and formulas, but also a lot of room for creativity. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. You might not make what you had originally set out to make by a strict definition of the thing, but if it’s tasty… who the F cares?
To all these ends, the newest cookbooks I’ve acquired but not yet picked through are both by Michael Ruhlman: “Ratio” and “20”. They’re less “cook books” and more textbooks on cooking. From what I understand, you learn how ingredients interact and the basic ratios you need to make everything. Similar to how I find Alton Brown more useful than Rachel Ray, because the former gives me knowledge I can export elsewhere while the latter simply gives me a single recipe good for a single dish, I feel these might be the way to go for folks like us. Check ’em out. I may even get to read them one of these days!Report
For sure, I’ll check out those books/sites. I have a veritable library of cookbooks. Including my very tattered 30yo copy of Joy of Cooking which remains my primary go-to source for the fundamentals. I also have a full file cabinet drawer of nothing but online recipes I’ve printed out over the years. I collect recipes with much the same “I might want that one day!” fervor as folks who collect coins or comic books. Scouring recipe sites is, for me, just as dangerous as going to the grocery store hungry.
For years I was glued to PBS’s Saturday cooking shows which were awesome for picking up technique. Especially America’s Test Kitchen and Lydia’s Italy. (Sigh. I miss PBS.) By the way, ATK is like Consumer Reports for anything kitchen related, from canned tuna to can openers.Report
It occurs to me that there is one recipe which I make every year and I’ve not ever felt compelled to tweak. It’s just that good.Report
I want to try that.Report
Heads up though: your fellow Thanksgiving feasters will insist henceforth that you make it every year. Plain ole cranberry sauce will never again satisfy.
I play with the turkey every year: different brines, different herb combos, etc. But I’ve made this exact cranberry sauce for, I think, at least the better part of a decade. I’ve even had to make a double batch on occasion to ensure leftovers.
For sure, make it a day or two ahead. Much like pasta dishes, it’s better after a day or so in the fridge. And one less thing to worry about on Turkey Day. (But bring it to room temp before serving. I just pull it out of the fridge early Thanksgiving morning and by the time we sit down to eat, it’s dandy.)Report
Dope. Thank you.
By the way, I’m sure your name is meant to be read as either “Kate Ward” or “Katie Ward”, but I can’t stop reading it as Kay Tward”.Report
That totally made me laugh.
Kaz — may I call you Kaz? — you are welcome, in every possible sense of the word, to read my user name in any way you like.
It’s a pseudonym that I created when I started blogging sometime in the mid 2000’s. More precisely, it’s an amalgamation of my maiden name that not a single person on earth, with the exception of family and close personal friends, would ever be able to use to either discern or track my real identity. (Sure, if some tech geek somewhere were interested enough to dig, I’d be found. But seriously, that caliber of tech geek has ever been the least of my worries.)
What can I say. At that time, I was a single mother with young kids and a bad experience with a stalker under my belt. Today that’s ancient history, but I’ve since kept the pseudonym mostly as a matter of super-duper convenience.
My name is Kelly. Feel free to call me Kelly. Or Kel, as my friends do. Then again, if you stick with Kay Tward I’ll take zero offense.*
*Same goes for all the League folks.
Call me anything but Late For Dinner. (I’m never late for dinner since I’m virtually always the cook. I can think of only one specific exception to this, which I’m going to now post to my TWSS fb page. Since you sorta brought it up, Kaz, I’m now thinking it’s more noteworthy than previously occurred to me.)Report
Kaz is fine. Mine is a nickname I picked up years back, one of many, many nicknames I’ve accrued. A group of my friends likely could figure out who I was and I wouldn’t care. I’m a teacher, so I’m really just trying to avoid parents who will somehow find ways to make problems out of anything (A teacher said “Fuck” on the internet? FIRE HIM!”)
What is a TWSS fb page?
I’ll probably keep calling you some variation of “ktward” if only to make it clear to everyone who I’m addressing and to avoid any sense of being “inner circle”.
I’d venture to guess that “Kay-Tward” comes from sports nicknames like ARod and the nine-billion copycats since.Report
I read it as “K-tward” as well. Then again, I read greginak as gregin-ack, and Jaybird as “that fisher,” so…Report
I read “greginak” as “Greg-Knee-Ack”. Reading is hard.Report
After all these years of gaming, I just start to think of people by their handles. Some people call me ‘Plinko’ in real life and I don’t even give it a thought, as a result, I rarely worry about deriving folks’ “real” names – your handle here is the persona with whom I interact and so that’s who are you are, as far as I’m concerned.
That said, I read greginak just like Kazzy does, but I read “ktward” as “K.T. Ward”.
You’d figure out what TWSS would be if you’d click some links, Kazzy!Report
I read it as “K.T. Ward”.Report
I’m glad I’m not the only one who gets a mild case of dyslexia when I read “Greginak”. Are we sure he didn’t use to spell it “Gregniak” and is now just fucking with us?Report
Ah jeez. It’s an honest question on your part and one that I undoubtedly asked for, but it embarrasses me to explain it. Make no mistake, the shortcoming is on my end.
The short answer:
TWSS is my fb page that you can click on via my user name anytime I post here at LoOG.
Paradoxically, the long answer bleeds the kind of drama I typically find little use for:
Longtime and arguably successful marketing/advertising gal faces the challenging throws of menopause and empty-nesting and, talk about bad timing, feels compelled for various familial reasons to uproot herself from her deeply-rooted Chicago life and everything her kids ever knew. Consequently, she’s trying to build a life from scratch in Puerto Rico while caring for her aging folks. TWSS is an altogether imperfect glimpse into a choral attempt to re-imagine and re-invent her life.
I’m her.Report
Oh.
Sorta sounds like a new Fox sitcom. Are you Zooey Deschanel?Report
I wouldn’t have guessed the Puerto Rico part. 😉Report
I’ve heard generally good things about ATK. From what I understand, they’re much like Alton Brown/”Good Eats”. Speaking of: http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/GEFP/index.htm This has full transcripts and YouTube clips of all the shows, as well as links to all his recipes. Generally speaking, I don’t find any of his recipes beyond the very basic anything particularly special. But the depth of knowledge, the science (which piques my sciencey brain), and the universality of the techniques are great. My wife hates his shtick, which makes that website all the better.
I have to check out ATK. I’m maxed out on gadgets right now, but am trying to learn more about better ingredients. Thanks!Report
ATK’s show is good, less entertaining but more practical than Alton. I don’t really care for their cookbook, though.Report
ATK is fantastic I have also found a great cookbook called Radically Simple. Fairly quick recipes, minimal ingredients but everything I have tried so far Yummy!
Also read as K Tward and Greg-Knee-AckReport
Where possible, I’ve tried to register myself as KtWard with the goal that folks might be more inclined to see me at K.T. or Katie. Neither is accurate, as I’ve purposefully designed, but I have to admit I never saw K Tward coming at me. I’m okay with it though!
Point being, I’ve ever been okay with the fact that pseudonyms can take on an unforeseen shape. I mean, if I’m going to go to the trouble of inventing a pseudonym, it seems a bizarre notion to me to complain on whatever shape said pseudonym takes.
Meanwhile, I’ve always ever read greginak as Greg In Alaska. (My recollection extends back to FrumForum’s pre-Beast days.) Even when he’s got occasional spell-check issues. (I think there was a recent post where I noticed him as “gregiank” or something similarly off.)Report
Adulterating meat with bread is heresy.Report
Counterpoint: Wiener Schnitzel.
Better yet, Jaeger Schnitzel.
On a similar note, a place I used to go had awesome Cuban breaded steaks, topped with onions grilled in a white wine sauce, with a side of black beans & white rice, washed down with cafe con leche.Report
So you’re probably a fan of that KFC sandwich that replaced the bun with fried chicken, eh?Report
Yes.Report
I’ll have to get you a Horny Waitress one day.Report
So this octogenarian is having yet another birthday party and his grandkids hire a stripper and she says “I’m here to give you some super sex!” and he says “I’ll take the soup.”Report
KFC Double Down, right?
This seems like as good a place as any to link to this. “This is how bacon is supposed to be.”Report
That was beautiful.
There are people who wander through life without ever understanding why they ended up where they are. Some try to forge meaning through metaphysics. Some try to numb themselves into a stupor with drugs or money.
It’s beautiful to see someone say “This. This is why I am here. This is why I am here right now. This is why God created the universe, why He created me, and why He placed me here.”
It’s beautiful to see someone Awake.Report
I feel precisely the same way about that. My first thought was, “Damn, I wish a burger could make me that happy.”Report
All that breading!Report
honestly, I agree, at least about meatloaf.
Greasey hamburgers are a different matter.Report
Jesus, 200+ comments on meatloaf? Wow.
I generally don’t make meatloaft, but a good receipe I’ve seen is mixing the ground meat with salsa. Yum. You opinion may vary. And no, no bacon for you pork hounds!Report
If I somehow worked race into the OP, we could probably set a record for comments…Report
http://www.miettas.com/cgi/srch_recipes.cgi?id=1400 Highly recommend this recipe – especially good if you brown well in a heavy based casserole on the stove then complete cooking in the oven. There’s generally enough sauce for the first round of eating – not much left for the slab of loaf you’ll have left for sandwiches. We make double so it’s a meatloaf beast! 🙂Report
Holy cow, over 200 comments on a post about meatloaf! I’m not reading them all.
You sure now how to make a vegetarian miss meat :(.Report
“You sure now how to make a vegetarian miss meat.”
Mission: Accomplished.Report