Obama, Punditry, and the State of the Union Address That Ensured a Second Term
The State of the Union address was a bit of a disappointment to the punditry. But of course, the President’s message wasn’t meant for them. There’s probably no better example of what I mean than the intertube reaction to this bit, which was really the capstone of the evening:
These achievements are a testament to the courage, selflessness, and teamwork of America’s Armed Forces. At a time when too many of our institutions have let us down, they exceed all expectations. They’re not consumed with personal ambition. They don’t obsess over their differences. They focus on the mission at hand. They work together.
Imagine what we could accomplish if we followed their example. Think about the America within our reach: A country that leads the world in educating its people. An America that attracts a new generation of high-tech manufacturing and high-paying jobs. A future where we’re in control of our own energy, and our security and prosperity aren’t so tied to unstable parts of the world. An economy built to last, where hard work pays off, and responsibility is rewarded…
One of my proudest possessions is the flag that the SEAL Team took with them on the mission to get bin Laden. On it are each of their names. Some may be Democrats. Some may be Republicans. But that doesn’t matter. Just like it didn’t matter that day in the Situation Room, when I sat next to Bob Gates – a man who was George Bush’s defense secretary; and Hillary Clinton, a woman who ran against me for president.
All that mattered that day was the mission. No one thought about politics. No one thought about themselves. One of the young men involved in the raid later told me that he didn’t deserve credit for the mission. It only succeeded, he said, because every single member of that unit did their job – the pilot who landed the helicopter that spun out of control; the translator who kept others from entering the compound; the troops who separated the women and children from the fight; the SEALs who charged up the stairs. More than that, the mission only succeeded because every member of that unit trusted each other – because you can’t charge up those stairs, into darkness and danger, unless you know that there’s someone behind you, watching your back.
So it is with America.
Most of the people on the intertubes today – at least those that were hoping for Obama to succeed – have voiced concerns about Obama’s use of this story due to it’s militaristic backdrop. Andrew Sullivan, staunch Obama supporter, was pretty unimpressed with the speech in general but with the above bit in particular:
This notion that a country, a democracy, should have the same attitude as troops fighting a war is preposterous and slightly creepy. Yes, we should put aside our differences to get important things done, put aside ideology to focus on solving problems. But we are not a military and the president is not our commander. He is our president. We have every right to argue with one another and to distrust one another at times. The whole idea of getting each others’ backs in a boisterous democracy is deeply undemocratic. I do not want to be a citizen trained like a member of the Navy SEALs. Nor should anyone. This isn’t Sparta. It’s America.
Our own Jason Kuznicki went a wee bit farther than that.
I know that I will be reviled for what I’m about to say, but to imagine that our economy and the rest of our society should be run just like the military is the very essence of fascism.
Don’t achieve your personal ambitions. Don’t try to be different from others. Conform. Work together. We can be great, but only — only — if we are regimented and disciplined like the military. I will lead you.
With all due respect to Jason, much of what he reads into the speech I believe he has brought to the table himself. I usually agree with him on these issues, but this seems a bit of a stretch. I can neither claim to have met Obama nor crawled inside of his head a la Being John Malkovich, but I’m pretty sure the intended takeaway wasn’t that it would be fabulous if the American people were replaced by the androids from I, Mudd.
In any case, I find that I disagree with Jason, Andrew and most everyone else this morning on the speech in general, but especially with the reactions to this particular bit of it. In fact, I’m pretty sure that against the current field of dream GOP candidates this locks up the second term – and for all the right reasons.
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One of the tricks to being a good pundit is the ability to be clever. Being clever allows a pundit to put unique spins on the ordinary, and to describe things in ways that make them tasty and easily digestible. On the whole, this is a good thing. But part of the risk with being clever is that you have a tendency to over think things – (I do this a lot) – and when you over think things you sometimes find that even though you were sure you were almost to Vegas, you’re somehow just pulling into Amarillo. This is why Obama confuses so many pundits on the right and the left, despite the fact that there’s just not a lot of mystery there.
Part of being a clever pundit means that you’re always on the look out for “signals” – those Delphic, unspoken codes in political rhetoric that allow them to be the Oracles of the moment. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. This was certainly the case with Obama’s first presidential run. Conservative wonks, strapping themselves in for the drubbing they secretly knew they were going to get and fully deserved, worked round the clock to take every tiny thing Senator Obama said and use it to create a narrative that he was just slightly to the left of Stalin. Progressive pundits, after eight years of a president they truly loathed, did likewise from the other end. They parsed each speech for its “code” until they heard the secret platform they wanted to hear, and when Obama was swept into office they mistakenly assumed both a self-affirming platform and mandate that just didn’t exist.
Obama was voted into office not just by the usual Democrats and Independents – he was elected by huge waves of voters who had long ago given up on the system and no longer bothered to pull any lever in most elections. The reason he was so beloved wasn’t that McCain was a lousy candidate or that Bush was so unpopular. (Both were, and so any Dem might well have won – but not in the way Obama did.) Nor was it that they assumed the Change he would bring would be a more progressive state. No, the reason he was elected was that he delivered a message that we were one country, and that there was more that connected us than separated us. The Hope he offered the country was never a Fascist-Socialist/Liberal-Progressive (depending on your party affiliation) declaration; it was an acknowledgment that most people in this country don’t want to see everything through the Red State/Blue State filter the two parties push. That divisive narrative never existed to get everyone to the polls; it has always existed to get just enough of only the right kind of people to the polls.
Obama offered a different message and the country by and large believed him; because of that they rallied around him in a way that would have made Elvis jealous.
And now here we are, three years later. Progressives are frustrated with Obama because he constantly looks to reach across the aisle and find ways to compromise in order to get the business of the people done. Which, I hasten to point out, was exactly what he promised to do, and why he was elected. What progressive pundits were really hoping for, of course, was a liberal, handsome, minority version of Karl Rove – and now they mistakenly see it as a betrayal that the President refuses to be so. Conservatives are frustrated because all they seem to know how to do now is talk in platitudes and turn the governing of our nation into a talk radio sound bite, and are becoming less relevant each year because of it. Their response when ever anyone within their ranks notices that they are going backwards, of course, is to label that person a liberal RINO and excommunicate them, which only prolongs their slide. And as they slide, Obama is strengthened. There is no Jedi rope-a-dope in this; Obama is behaving the way he promised to behave, and the GOP the way they promised to behave. And Obama is sitting in the cat bird seat because of it, even though the economy still stinks.
All of which brings me back to that part of the President’s State of the Union Address – the part about the NAVY seals.
As Jason, Andrew and others political junkies listened to that, they heard militaristic jingoism – and, considering what we have been through over the past decade, I can’t say that I blame them for that. But in doing so, they are making the classic pundit error: they are over thinking. There is no secret code here, and the vast majority of American people won’t think so either. Instead, they’ll hear all of the various layered messages that this story is meant to hammer home:
* The person they elected is the same person that sits in the Oval Office. Their President is the man that values working in tandem with the opposition to tackle the difficult jobs. As they hear story this over the next several months (as I’m sure this will become a staple of Obama’s stump speeches) they will be able to contrast it with GOP Presidential candidates and a GOP-led House that looks to reflexively oppose the White House on any stance it takes on any issue, even conservative ones. (Note that the President in his speech gave a heads up to those listening that the GOP was going to favor a payroll tax hike soon, for no other reason than Obama was against it.)
* Hey, nation – remember how for the past three years every member in the GOP or pundit on FOX who had access to a camera or microphone was constantly telling you that Obama was soft on terrorism and would never, ever be able to kill Bin Laden – even though their own guy couldn’t do it over two terms? Remember that? And hey, do you remember how after years of talking about how they wanted him dead on sight, that once they heard that he was killed on Obama’s watch they suddenly declared killing him unseemly in a really, really transparently cynical way? You do? OK, just making sure.
* Nation, most of us don’t crave war, so you might want to ask yourself – when bad things happen to our country, might you want a calm, measured, well-thought out response when actual violence is called for? If so, I ask you to think about every detail that went into this operation of ours, and ask yourself if this is what you, Nation, envision that looking like. Oh, and by the way, did you see how those guys that want to replace me want to start another war with Iran and maybe even Cuba? You should totally YouTube it, it’s pretty funny.
* As we go into the future in these times that seem so disquieting and frightening, we need to have one another’s back. In order for us to see things through, we need to recognize that sometimes who we are as a people is more important than how much power and wealth we have as a political party. (My guess is that in every stump speech this story is told, people will be reminded of last summer’s debt ceiling fiasco – and rightfully so.)
These are the things Obamas’ speech writers want Americans to hear when they listen to this story, and this is exactly what most Americans will take away from it. Not the GOP base, of course, but the rest of the country. That part of us that doesn’t spend our time parsing away at every little thing a year away from an election. That part of the country that elected Obama with delight and exuberance. This speech was for them, not the pundits.
Of course, I may be over thinking this.
No, I think you squared it pretty well, Tod.Report
Concur.Report
Thanks, both of you guys.Report
I think this has about it nailed.
Now in the Convention speech he’ll probably do a “rally around the party” speech.Report
That sounds about right; or he me leave that to Joe & Hilary, and go some variation of “there are no red & blue states” again.Report
In fact, I’m pretty sure that against the current field of dream GOP candidates this locks up the second term – and for all the right reasons.
I thought the same thing. He’s not only a pretty good liberal (on most things), he’s a better conservative than the GOP has put forward.Report
True. He’s like the perfect High/Low hand.Report
Tod, have your views of politics, especially partisan politics, changed a bit in recent months? Is my belief that they have based on noise rather than signal?Report
I’m not sure that I understand what your second question is asking, Still. But my answer to your first is no. Of course I’m the least biased person in the room on the subject of me, but I still think no.
Why do you ask?Report
It just seems like you’re using much harsher language when talking about the GOP than you used to. Or harsher than I remember. But I haven’t really paid attention too closely, which is why I asked.
I didn’t mean to put you on the spot! 🙂
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No, you’re not putting me on the spot.
To answer a bit more clearly though, my position as a “principled pragmatist” (other than I really need to think of a better name for what I am than “principled pragmatist”) is that you need to be able to accept the truths that both conservatism and liberalism bring to the table – and in fact to recognize that they each do have inherent truths. In a best case scenario, we would have two national parties that work with this good faith assumption.
So my beef these day’s isn’t with conservatism. It’s with the GOP. I think that they have gotten to a point where it is far more important for most of them to be on FOXNEWS or their local FOX affiliate radio show than to govern. I think that the entire reason that the two candidates that everyone was so sure were going to be the nominee at the outset – Palin and Perry – were such disasters was that each had just assumed that in order to run to be the most powerful person on the planet all you needed to do was just show up and smile. Even as each kept getting reminded that in fact it’s really, really hard work, neither seemed at all interested in putting in that work. And this, to me, is a distillation of what the party has become. I think that the debt ceiling fiasco was the political embodiment of this mistaken assumption that all good governance ever really was was simply showing up, looking well coiffed and saying an approved catchy soundbite because your cable TV news network would always have your back.
If I am being sharper now than I was 6 months ago when I started, I think it has everything to do with the fact that the party – to my surprise – has gotten worse. I was sure that Romney was going to be the nominee, and that his example of being a grown up that prided himself on knowing how to govern and effectively manage people would force the other candidates to follow suit. Instead I have been really surprised to see that in order to stay afloat, he has been forced to become more like Bachmann, Gingrich and Santorum. That’s the wrong direction.
So if you see me as growing less and less patient with the GOP, that’s pretty much why. It’s not because my political leanings are changing.
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Yes. Perfect sense! And thanks for answering.
Your answer also clears up the confusing way I asked my initial question: I wasn’t asking if your political views had changed, but whether your views of politics had changed. And it seems they have!
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Of the three candidates you claim Romney is “forced to be like”, one of them is already out of the election, one of them will likely be out after the next round of primaries, and Romney has no apparent interest in being like the third. So…Report
so… he’s being rewarded for it.Report
When you come up with this name, could you let me know? That’s pretty much my affiliation, too.Report
yeah, if you come up with a better name write an article, start a party, and run for president…please.
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I think Obama’s rhetoric was less indicative of his own feelings and just the result of a country that is already oozing those narratives.
A SOTU should be just that, the state of the union. What it has become, or perhaps it always was, is a giant pep rally with partisan undercurrents.
We’re number one!! Our union is strong and always will be!! Together there’s nothing we can’t do!! Our workers are the best in the world!! Our Army is the best in the world!! The United States is exceptional and central to the rest of the world!!
The sun is not setting on this great nation, the sun never has set on this great nation, and the sun never will set on this nation!!
Should we expect anything more from our politicians, or the people they pander to? Perhaps not. But let’s not forget how preposterous this whole thing is, and how the President is at the center of that circus, encouraging it and playing his part as best he can.
There were plenty of valid policy proposals that invite valid counter-arguments, and those debates will certainly play out in the coming weeks and months. But the President, Congress, the Supreme Court and the American people are stunningly unanimous in one thing, and that’s that our military should never be questioned, its policies and procedures should always be admired, and the nation is at its best when embracing those imperialist tendencies in as many other lands and areas as possible.
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I think I share your feeling of exasperation, at least some of the time to some extent. I’m not sure what other narratives are possible though. Where is that line between giving us what we need and giving us what we want? In the specifics we don’t agree about what we need, and what we want shifts with a heavy breakfast. The specifics in your last sentence are too extreme, too sweeping. We have room for this kind of politics because we have elections instead of revolutions and tax code changes instead of riots and rapine.
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When did the State of the Union change? My immediate response is to say January 2002 but that could easily be projecting because that was the first SotU that I sat down to watch rather than merely have on in the background while I did other things.
Were Clinton’s speeches substantially different? Herbert Walker’s? I shudder to ask: Were Reagan’s?Report
You can check.
I think the decisive difference was once FDR came on the picture, the audience became broader and more toward the general public than the joint houses of Congress.
Grover Cleveland’s second annual address for example, gets into the weeds a bit in terms of policy. But by the time you get to LBJ, you get a lot of “rah rah pass my agenda” stuff.
Link available below!
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/sou.php#axzz1kV0i9kE2Report
I figured that I’d read one from one of the last decent presidents and clicked on Coolidge’s from 1927.
Golly, the past is another country.Report
Coolidge was hardly a decent president…but maybe you’d find something from TR more interesting.Report
I also like Ford. I read 1975’s speech and the part that I found most interesting was that it was given at 1PM in the afternoon.Report
I suspect a “just the facts” speech at 1:00 in the afternoon had everything to do with what had just happened in the past year, and why it was Ford giving the SOTU.Report
One of the things I wanted to check was whether there was a pattern or tradition when these things were given and there are a *LOT* of “as delivered in person before a joint session” notes in the modern era but the earliest time mention that I saw was LBJ in 1965 where he gave the speech at 9PM (in front of a joint session). (Scratch that, Harry Truman gave one at 1PM in 1947…)
Nixon 1970 was given around noon, 1971 was given at night…
There doesn’t seem to be rhyme or reason.
A big insight is given in Gerry Ford’s 1975 speech where he says:
Now, I want to speak very bluntly. I’ve got bad news, and I don’t expect much, if any, applause.
That tells me that applause was a big part of the immediate feedback for the speech by that point (but, of course, it doesn’t give any hint as to when that may have started).
It does look like that was the last one given in the middle of the day (though Carter’s 1981 speech does not mention a time).
So, if I had to guess, it changed in the 70’s. That’s when it stopped being a speech for Congress and started being a speech in front of Congress.
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That just means it took a little while for politicians to clue in to the fact that TV was watching.Report
Verdict: as good as any of the commentary I’ve read online this morning. In fact, substantially better. Go Tod.Report
Wow, Blaise. Thanks.Report
Bravo.Report
I take your point, Tod. However, while I don’t think that the country is in present danger of sliding into a militaristic mode of operation or that Obama was speaking code to this effect, I nonetheless found the President’s language here kinda creepy. I suppose my habit of thinking explicitly (and maybe too much) about narratives and their affects on thought and discourse has rendered me overly sensitive to seemingly minor myths and metaphors, and yet there’s a reason for my sensitivity: sometimes these narratives matter. When repeated over time, especially without reflection or understanding, they shape the way we think, and they can build to some pretty dangerous ideas about the world. Given that the president was implicitly talking about power, I don’t fault Jason or Andrew for raising a red flag.Report
Oh, me either, to be clear.
But we’re a different context than the people Tod’s talking about and what they hear.Report
Agreed, Pat. Plus I can’t help but notice that unlike Bush, who talked about freeing nations (as the wars raged on), Obama chose a very different tact. He did not, strikingly, use the SOTU as a way to focus on his role in the Arab Spring the way a neocon might have. Instead he chose to focus on a single, finite operation that was successful, had a quick resolution, and in which only criminal terrorists were involved. I do not believe this was an accident; I think it was drawn this way entirely to juxtapose himself to the foreign policy rhetoric in the GOP right now.Report
That’s not entirely true. The part that you didn’t quote, the part where he lists the acheivements made because people put aside their personal ambitions and did what they were told, was this bundle of claims:
“We gather tonight knowing that this generation of heroes has made the United States safer and more respected around the world. (Applause.) For the first time in nine years, there are no Americans fighting in Iraq. (Applause.) For the first time in two decades, Osama bin Laden is not a threat to this country. (Applause.) Most of al Qaeda’s top lieutenants have been defeated. The Taliban’s momentum has been broken, and some troops in Afghanistan have begun to come home.”Report
This is both true and a good point. I will still say in defense of mine, though, that one was a in a bundle and the other a centerpiece was not accidental.
(And since you said “not entirely” I assume you were already giving me that benefit, Brad.)Report
90% apparently loved the speech, which shows that the President is only giving the people what they want. We are all enablers now.Report
Yes it reads as the opening movement of a rally the base symphony. Frankly that makes me nervous because I’ve always been skeptical that the Dem base can pull off the whole election even if riled up. We’ll have to wait and see.Report
Thoughtful piece Tod–as usual. I agree with your basic premise; that is, that people who watched the speech without then feeding it through the pundit filter were likely to walk away with a much different perspective on it than those who are paid to analyze politics for a living (and those who put too much credence in what they say). I don’t know that it’s the speech itself that likely guarantees his re-election as much as it is getting a good dose of Obama’s actual talents and personality after an overdose of Republican primary Obama-bashing. He comes off so much better than his potential opponents.
I don’t see how anybody who hasn’t been trapped inside the Fox News propaganda box for the past few years wouldn’t find Obama about ten times more likeable than the two Republican front runners. Take away the hate and resentment from Newt Gingrich and what do you have left? A lobbyist for Fannie and Freddie who got ran out of Congress by his own party because of his failed leadership and because most of them couldn’t stand the guy. Add in a personal life which has all the makings of a reality show hit and it’s not going to take you very far. As for Romney, he’s got a better resume but his signature reform as governor of Massachusetts is pretty much Obamacare writ small, while his business record can and will be characterized as making millions by stripping solvent companies of their capital, laying off their workers, and ensuring his fat cat investors got theirs. Add in the perception that the guy has zero empathy and zero ability to connect to a crowd of people who, unlike him, don’t make a few million a year in interest off their investments and you have another losing combination.
Last night’s speech (and I’ve only seen bits and pieces) probably did remind a lot of people of what they like about the guy, and he hasn’t really warmed up yet. While it’s unlikely he can repeat his 2008 performance, on the level of personal appeal, he’s got his Republican rivals beat.Report
As far as this SOTU guaranteeing a second term, that’s a classic example of a pundit trying to be clever. Sorry, but it had to be said. Yes, this was a preview of Obama’s campaign, but we’re still 8+ months away from election day, and if you think this speech can guarantee the public’s perception more than half a year from now, I want some of what they’re smoking in your particular smoke-filled room.
As to the militarism bit, I’ll try to be polite, but you really hit one of my nerves here. “Oh, sure, he’s making a military reference, but that doesn’t mean people will take it as having any military meaning.” Nonsense. The analogy works precisely because the American public is a bunch of militaristic jingoists, and Obama’s speechwriting team was intentionally tapping into that. It works perfectly for every American who ever said, “my country right or wrong,” and didn’t realize there was a second half to that quote; every one who ever said “I trust the president,” or “politics stops at the water’s edge. Our government is increasingly shifting authority to the military (see the NDAA) and your response to military references is complacency that no real Americans will get the jingoism?
On another level it was a tortured…no, patently stupid analogy. The Seal team were not policymakers–they were street-level bureaucrats assigned a task by policymakers. When Obama was talking about all of us pulling together he was talking about pulling together on the policy level, not the level of executing the policy. It’s a fantasy, it’s an anti-democratic fantasy, and it badly confuses two fundamentally different activities. But conflating dissent with infidelity is not shocking coming from someone who’s standard tone is moralistic hectoring.Report
The point about the headline is a fair one, but I disagree with you about the rest. As I said to Kyle above, “I can’t help but notice that unlike Bush, who talked about freeing nations (as the wars raged on), Obama chose a very different tact. He did not, strikingly, use the SOTU as a way to focus on his role in the Arab Spring the way a neocon might have. Instead he chose to focus on a single, finite operation that was successful, had a quick resolution, and in which only criminal terrorists were involved. I do not believe this was an accident; I think it was drawn this way entirely to juxtapose himself to the foreign policy rhetoric in the GOP right now.”
Also, if I came across as saying that the story had nothing to do with military operations then I was less then clear. That it did so was definitional. What I did not hear were the additional messages that he was planning on turning our domestic world into a militaristic police state the way others heard it.Report
“was planning on turning our domestic world into a militaristic police state the way others heard it.”
I think it’s less about doing that, or older, more traditional understandings of “the police state,” then the more subversive way in which greater centralization in policy making, specifically in the executive, as well as the proliferation of “top-down” approaches, is leading to more Caeser and less Republic.
Obama’s speech further de-legitimized Congress rather than seeking to re-substantiate and re-invigorate our troubled but democratic institutions.
This is a trend that is slow moving and nearly invisible on a day to day basis, but one which is best captured by moderators asking Republicans in debates “what would you do about X,” rather than more basic questions about governance, justice, and their views on national foreign policy.
Obama’s speech embodied that form of cynical triangulation that Clinton was notorious for in which both parties, and the Congress, are subverted while the Presidency, and its office holder rise to ever greater reverence.Report
I don’t think Obama’s speech delegitimized Congress anymore than its own actions have over the last year. 13% approval ratings don’t build themselves.Report
I see why you see it this way, and policy-wise I certainly agree with you. However, I don’t believe that this is either the way this story is meant to be perceived, nor the way it will be received my almost everyone that hears it.Report
It certainly won’t be ” the way it will be received my almost everyone that hears it,” which is part of the problem.
I enjoyed the post, but perhaps you can clarify something for me. Are you simply arguing that on process, Obama knew his audience and delivered his speech accordingly? Because i certainly agree, and what should follow a speech like this is an analysis of the people who heard it (and agreed/disagreed) rather than the man who only gave them what they wanted.Report
I would argue that, whether or not you agree with either the operation to terminate OBL or liked this story’s use in the SOTU, it was not intended to be heard as either a call to arms militarily, nor that he was “signaling” a move toward fascism, nor that he wants you to think of him as the war president.
The intended message was the message I outlined above. He highlighted it rather specifically to show that a). he has not been rolling over to foreign enemies, as those running against him are claiming, and b). he wants you to draw a comparison between a bipartisan, well constructed, deliberate and finite military action (that he believes you will think of as necessary) and those that are saying we should send more troops into Afghanistan, send forces back into Iraq, declare war on Iran and begin military action against Cuba – Holy S**t!!! Cuba!!! -a year from now.
I also argue that this is what Americans are going to hear him saying. And that it’s going to be very, very well received. In other words it is not, as I keep hearing on the intertubes, intended to be a “jingoism” message – it’s intended to be a “hey, who’s the grown up in the room?” message.
Again, I see why you see it differently, and I agree with you and Jason about all the bigger picture policy stuff – but that’s not what people are going to hear.Report
Tod, just so you don’t feel like your single-handedly fighting a rearguard action, I completely agree with you about this.Report
I also agree with everything said in that comment.Report
“he wants you to draw a comparison between a bipartisan, well constructed, deliberate and finite military action (that he believes you will think of as necessary) and those that are saying we should send more troops into Afghanistan, send forces back into Iraq, declare war on Iran and begin military action against Cuba – Holy S**t!!! Cuba!!! -a year from now.”
And that’s where my problem is. He is contrasting the Republican’s quite insane brand of conservative realism with his own brand of *sane* conservative realism. And he’s doing that because he knows, as you state, that the country itself is of a conservative mind on international politics.
I’m looking for some Jimmy Carter Malaise, he gave us Reagan Triumphalism with some populist tinges.
“it was not intended to be heard as either a call to arms militarily, nor that he was “signaling” a move toward fascism, nor that he wants you to think of him as the war president.”
Even if one doesn’t see it as a call to arms, to fascism, or to continued war, the fact of the matter is that he is a conservative realist on foreign policy, a wartime president, and has no problem stoking the imperialist sentiments that reside in people’s hearts out in the rest of the country. Come this fall he has offered the country a conservative alternative to crazy conservatism. A winning strategy, but a sad development.Report
I agree, strongly, on both points.
In my post I talked about pundits hearing what they wanted to hear with Obama. I’ll count myself amongst them on this: I was pretty sure I was reading between the lines on the campaign that Obama would pull us out of the Middle East post haste, but was signaling it because it would be political suicide to come out and say it out loud.vvTurns out he was pretty much who he said he was, and I heard what I wanted to.Report
In my own perverse and obtuse way, I’d like to make the Liberal case against Obama’s pandering and Jingoism Lite.
I never met Osama bin Ladin during my time in the Jalozai camps in Pakistan but I heard his name. I met a few Arabs who were doing logistics for the mujahidin, running little supply depots inside Afghanistan. I can’t say for sure if these were Al Qaeda operators or not: OBL was then just one of a fairly large contingent of Arabs then hanging around Jalozai. But they were brave guys, low-key, intent on laying the groundwork for expelling the kuffar Soviet troops.
There were other Arabs who tried to lord it over the Pashtun mujahidin, Saudis, Yemenis, Kuwaitis driving around in big Land Cruisers, all billy bad ass, tossing money around. But OBL already had a reputation for austerity and humility and the refugees admired him greatly. The silly rich boys didn’t go up through those mountain passes in their Land Cruisers. The nightmarish HIND helos, airborne tanks, just waited for any kind of vehicle to come through the mountains. Everyone who went into Afghanistan went in at night, quietly, scared to death, man-packing everything they’d need through the rocks and snow.
These were brave men, waging a quixotic war against an implacable and murderous enemy who would destroy a village on a whim.
Tell you this right now, I wouldn’t do it and I wouldn’t lead men into that kind of fight.
What might have happened if the USA had established a relationship with OBL? Of all the two-bit Pashtun warlords and assorted Islamic idiots around during those terrible days, OBL was one of the few guys anyone admired. Why did we go for the Devil We Knew in the Pakistanis, allowing them to back the very worst of all the warlords? OBL was then a very minor player, known only by his excellent reputation. We might have made a friend in him, sent him an envoy, entered into some rapprochement with him?
It’s all so much woulda-coulda-shoulda. I’ll probably attract more flames for writing this than a dog turd attracts flies. I don’t care. This is no defense of Al Qaeda or OBL or even anything but a personal feeling of missed opportunity, the musings of an old man who loved and admired the noble Pashtun people with all his heart and who has watched Afghanistan with a broken heart for far longer than the interval between 9/11 and today. OBL didn’t have to be our enemy. He volunteered to fight Saddam Hussein.
OBL might have been our friend. Other, less-savory and far less admirable characters are supposedly our friends but they’re not. OBL is dead and I’m glad he’s dead. But when OBL was running his little way stations in Afghanistan, he wasn’t our enemy.
So let Barack Obama treasure his flag, signed by the operators who killed OBL. God knows OBL needed killing but we’ve only made a martyr of him, which was all OBL ever wanted from life. God answers the prayers of the stupid, literally and immediately.Report
I don’t know if you’re right, because as you say it’s “woulda coulda shoulda,” but it’s an argument that’s worth pondering for lessons that might be applied in other circumstances. I had the opportunity to participate in a meeting at the State Department in, iirc, ’08, on the subject of how the U.S. should try to communicate with Muslims, and for certain political appointees in the room it all came down to, as one explicitly said, “tell us whether we should back the Sunnies or the Shiites in Iraq.” Those numbskulls could have benefited from some time pondering what you wrote, if they were capable of thinking that deeply.Report
We could have simply asked them what they wanted. The Wahhabi/Salafi are probably the only people we could have asked, since the Sunni and Shiites both hate them.Report
Whether OBL or the corrupt Pakistani government, that such nuts are ever on “our” side (I don’t recall seeing that agreement…) serves as yet another addition to the pile representing the absurdity and utter moral bankruptcy of U.S. foreign policy.
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How very true. Perhaps we ought to think through the problem of American Foreign Policy as a process of learning what other people might want, affording them just a little respect as we learn from their responses. Two ears and one mouth and that’s about the proportion in which they ought to be used.Report
Obama’s speech further de-legitimized Congress rather than seeking to re-substantiate and re-invigorate our troubled but democratic institutions.
Agreed. I was struck by the number of time he said, “I will sign an executive order…” All perfectly within his authority, but still sending a message of administrative governance of the type Nixon longed for, but came too soon in the history of the presidency to achieve. But any president in Obama’s place–at this time in history, facing a heels-dug-in opposition–would do the same, so this isn’t an anti-Obama complaint; it’s an anti-presidency complaint.Report
Very much so. I only somewhat single Obama out because of the narrative in some quarters that he is different, or above the game. He will run a billion dollar campaign, continue his reign of executive secrecy, and never fail to deliver his speeches with an uplifting smile and positive inflection. He is only as bad, or as good, as those who came before.Report
I think the real criticism should really go to Congress for being so dysfunctional (particularly the senate) rather than the presidency.
Dysfunction creates a power vacuum that allows the presidency to fill and congress is often only too happy to unload some of its responsibilities.Report
Yes, this is the other side of the coin. Presidents will take what power they can commander, so Congress really shouldn’t be opening the door and waving them on through.Report
Well, it’s one way to limit the negative effects of too much democracy, no?Report
??? Right over my head with that one, I’m afraid.Report
And finally we get to the end of the rope: I (we) should really blame the voting public (ourselves) for holding the President responsible for laws he can not pass, and thus encouraging him/her to triangulate against Congress and blame it even further.
Congress is a deadlock because Republicans don’t want to give the President a victory, because they know doing so will help dupe the American people into voting for him come election time.Report
I do wonder how abusive a president would have to be until Congress decided enough was enough and tried to take back their prerogatives.Report
Well, Nixon.Report
That was then. Since then we’ve had Iran-Contra and “clear proof of WMD.” I hope I’m just cynical, but I wonder if a Nixon wouldn’t cause as much reaction now.Report
Well, yes, but…
Referring back to Hamilton’s argument for a singular rather than plural executive in the Federalist Papers, it’s easy to determine responsibility when a single person holds office, but hard to do so when multiple people hold an office because responsibility gets diffused and hidden. So we the people can blame Congress, but that’s an abstraction–it’s individuals in Congress who are responsible, but which ones? And even they are only tenuously responsible because it is the structure of the institution that weakens it vis a vis the president, rather than just the actions of individually identifiable congressmembers.
Hell, those who are the “obstructionists” that push Obama to resort to executive orders are also the ones who are defending Congress’s legislative prerogatives against the demands of the executive branch. Paradoxes ‘r us.Report
Ethan, I would frame it slightly differently. I would say that we focus our democratic authority on electing an Executive to check Executive power. But that’s not the Executive’s job – it’s Congress’s.
I believe if we keep looking to one brach to limit themselves to the trough and let another off the hook for shirking their oversight duties, it will just get worse over time.Report
I would say that we focus our democratic authority on electing an Executive to check Executive power.
Oh, well put. I’m so totally stealing that phrasing.Report
Every now and then… 🙂Report
How many times did he say “send me a bill and I will sign it”?Report
Lots of times, but that was rhetoric. It’s an election year and he knows the GOP isn’t going to give him anything he can take credit for.Report
I was struck by the number of time he said, “I will sign an executive order…”
And I was struck by how few times he mentioned corpsman.Report
He doesn’t want to be accused of necrophilia.Report
The American public is a bunch of militaristic jingoists the same way that black people like watermelon.Report
Everybody likes watermelon, Duck.Report
So… you’ll pretend you have no idea what Hanley’s talking about just to make an obtuse point about something that isn’t clear?Report
Holy cow! You really changed your avatar!Report
And somehow got logged out. Oops.
In any case, yes. I wanted something that resembled me, at least for a while. The Firebird joke is so obscure that it doesn’t do anything for me anyway.Report
Probably doesn’t help that Pontiac doesn’t exist anymore.
Or am I misinterpreting that joke?Report
No, you got it. Thanks!Report
Hey, if you can’t follow the reasoning, that’s your problem, although I kind of wonder how such a moron as you claim to be is able to type without getting your fingers tied together.Report
Dude, personal attacks man!Report
Notably, I am not claiming that I’m the moron here.Report
Yeah, and I’m rubber and you’re glue.
If you say that a simple allusion to both popular knowledge and recent conversations at this website “isn’t clear”, then you’re saying you lack the capability to understand much of anything at all.Report
Sigh. I realize this is hard for you, but what I’m saying “isn’t clear” is what your position on black people and watermelon was supposed to establish. The allusion was perfectly clear, albeit stupid.Report
That new gravatar is weirdly humorous, Ryan.Report
I spend a lot of time making that exact face.Report
I guess you can look at this one of two ways, depending on where you are on the “moderate/radical” spectrum:
1. Obama is imploring the American people to meet in the middle and come to a consensus on moving forward.
2. Obama is calling out obstruction and obliging people to let go of their own preferences and get behind the elite center (which he just happens to represent).Report
There is much truth in this comment, Brad.Report
The appeal here was, “Hey look, there’s Republicans in the SEALs and Democrats too, and they put aside their political differences and got the job done.” Which is nonsense because to join the military is to commit to serve, and one’s personal political preferences are irrelevant to the job.
To not consider personal political preference is the essence of military service. To consider personal political preference is the essence of holding political office.
Now, on the one hand, the emotional appeal of wrapping oneself in the flag, calling for bipartisanship, effective action, not caring overmuch about the differences between people, let’s git ‘er done — that’s good politics on an emotional level, and that’s the sort of political pitch Obama makes exceedingly well. He makes us believe that such things are possible, he makes us want to do such things.
Then reality hits. Congress is not, and was never supposed to be, a squad of Navy SEALs. It is, and was always supposed to be, a deliberative, slow-acting body where political differences get hashed out slowly, roasted in analysis, alloyed in compromise, and ultimately used for the political footballs that they are, all in the hopes that such a process will produce policy that is roughly congruent with the consensus will of the electorate.Report
It is, and was always supposed to be, a deliberative, slow-acting body where political differences get hashed out slowly, roasted in analysis, alloyed in compromise, and ultimately used for the political footballs that they are, all in the hopes that such a process will produce policy that is roughly congruent with the consensus will of the electorate
So, either they have not achieved what they were desined to do, there really isnt any such thing as the consensus will of the electorate or the consensus will of the electorate is dysfunctionally insane.Report
I’m picking option C. I’ve always thought the problem is not democracy, it’s the electorate. If only people were smarter and if only more of them thought more like I do about the important things.Report
I thought the ‘electorate’ was ‘democracy?’
What if we limit who gets to vote?
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I’m open to that, but I hate to admit that it is going to be pretty difficult to do so in a non-corrupt fashion.
On the one hand, we do not want to give it to the haves just so they lord it over the have nots. But maybe adminstering a kind of political literacy test might work (though that too is open to abuse in rather nefarious ways)Report
I think EVERYBODY should pay a federal tax. No pay tax, no vote.Report
Poll tax, anyone? Nostalgic for the Jim Crow era, are you Bob?Report
Somni, no, I’m like Barry and the commie-Dems, I’m looking for ‘fairness.’Report
I wish people would stop using phrases like “commie-Dems” and “socialist-Dems”. It’s such an insult to actual communists and socialists.Report
I mean, what the heck kind of self-respecting socialist can’t even manage to end Bush-era tax cuts for the rich??Report
+1000.Report
I’ve vocalized this position about a million times. Do people seriously think the left would find Democrats such a disappointment if they were actual socialists?Report
People should travel to actual or at least semi-socialist countries and see what it REALLY looks like. Socialist and communist have just become meaningless slurs, completely divorced from their actual meaning.Report
If they were actual socialists, Rush “Blacks are 12 percent of the population, who the hell cares?” Limbaugh wouldn’t know what to do with himself.
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In his defense, I do not believe Bob uses “Commie Dems” because he things liberals are communists. I am pretty sure he uses it so that people will bristle, object to it, and post threads about it.Report
It is no taxation wihout represent, not no representation without taxation. Unless you live in DC.Report
I think it’s statements like this, Bob, that make me seriously wonder if Jason’s right and you are a performance artist.Report
I’ve heard Bob’s position well-articulated before, actually. I don’t think it’s that far fetched. The extremely poor would throw in like five bucks. The idea is that it instills a culture of ownership of the government.
Still, I lean in the direction of less taxes for everybody.Report
But isn’t there a clear difference between “slow roasted analysis” and outright obstruction?
Its one thing to analyze and debate Presidential appointments, but filibustering each and every one is nothing at all like analysis, slow roasted or cold fermented.Report
Congress is not, and was never supposed to be, a squad of Navy SEALs. It is, and was always supposed to be, a deliberative, slow-acting body where political differences get hashed out slowly, roasted in analysis, alloyed in compromise, and ultimately used for the political footballs that they are, all in the hopes that such a process will produce policy that is roughly congruent with the consensus will of the electorate.
You are of course absolutely right about what Congress is and was always supposed to be.
But at the same time, what the presidency has been since it began was an office whose holder hectored and cajoled Congress to overcome its divisions and inertia and act as he calls on them to act. At which point Congress either does or doesn’t. That’s what presidents do; the Congress does what it does; and that’s what our system is. The cajoling is part of it.
Whether this example of cajoling crosses some other line we want to keep is a separate question – it very well might. But in general cajoling Congress out of inaction is just a bog-standard presidential function.Report
Tod –
I agree with the others here who have applauded this commentary. I think you are right on the mark. Early polling I’ve seen would seem to bear your premise out.
In the OBL section of the speech, I thought his reference to the Situation Room (where he, Gates and Clinton were working together) carried as much weight as his reference to SEAL Team 6. It was the whole “Team of Rivals” thing that was discussed a lot around Obama’s election. In that concept, both “team” and “rivals” are essential to the meaning. It’s not that the people involved are no longer rivals, but that in order to accomplish the work at hand, the rivalry becomes secondary.
Burt notes about Congress:
I agree this is how Congress is supposed to be, but I’d stress that the adjectives don’t serve to cancel the verbs. Yes, Congress should be deliberative and slow, but it still has to act. Yes, there will be differences, but they need to get hashed out. Yes, the process will be rife with politics by design, but Congress is still required to produce policy.
The disdain with which the public now holds Congress is not because it is deliberative, slow, factional or political. The disdain comes from Congress not being able to be all those things and still get sh*t done.
Obama’s SOTU is pointing that out. Bully for him.Report
Jay Rosen lucidly refers to political journalists’ prioritization of being clever and connected over being correct and useful as ‘the cult of savviness’. Good summary of his thoughts here.
Most of it comes from identifying more with the people they eat lunch with than their audience.Report
Of course, what was most stunning about that moment — and why I think it might signal powers henceforth unknown to mankind — is that it led to Andrew, Jason, and Max Boot taking the same position on the same issue for much the same reasons. My head, quite frankly, nearly exploded.Report
“I think it might signal powers henceforth unknown to mankind”
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Mr. Kelly,
Your thoughts are always thought provoking and I enjoy them. Your always have a few salient points with which I agree and yet I find that your underlying meanings are typically off-subject for me.
For me, the State of Union Address has evolved into a campaign stump speech for the sitting President. This year was no different. I believe that you give too much credit to the pundits as though anyone is listening to them that can swing an election anyway. If anyone is listening to Fox News or CNN or Air America for that matter, it’s only political wonks who believe they are smarter than the room anyway.
My point is that your focus is on an election, as seems to be the rest of blogdom and prime time news media. Everything that I have heard centers around eletions and debate and speech fodder and rhetoric. I can’t seem to get the word “rhetoric” out of my head. If there is one thing that Obama is GREAT at…and I truly mean “great” as in legendary…it’s campaigning. He is perhaps the greatest campaigner in history. You describe his meteoric rise to the Presidency as built on the Hope of previously apathetic voters who are now willing to stand behind the man who has fulfilled his word. I would argue that this surge was fueled by an 8 year hate-affair of the Bush-headed Republicans.
Now that we have this man in office you claim that he is who he said he was. He has never said who he is. He was once a 20 year member of a church that was led by a man who hated America. He has divorced that church because it was detrimental to his ambitions. What have seen him do to fulfill his promise is focus the full force of his time and energy into the health care legislation that ended up in a muddled mess that won’t smack us in the face for 2 more year…after his reelection.
When he was focusing on this legislation he was neglecting jobs. My assumption is that he figured he could focus on jobs just late enough to become our savior right before the election, essentially leveraging our hurt for a while so that he could cash in on the pain later.
What pains me is that this amazing campaigner and wonderful candidate is not a good President. I have not read all your writing, Mr. Kelly, but tell me what makes Obama a good President. Tell me how he has made my life and that of my family better. Tell me how his 800 billion dollar band aids have helped me in the long term. I’m hungry for this.
I agree that the Republican field for this election is woeful, but I don’t see how that is a victory for anyone other than candidate Obama. How does this make America stronger, better, more stable? Help me understand this.
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Reason, sorry if this is late in coming, but I was traveling all day yesterday.
My short answer to your query is that I think you might be reading too much into this post that was intended. THis post was not meant to be a pro Obama speech, so much as a commentary about his speech’s rhetoric. I actually agree with most of what you say above, both in the meta- and about Obama specifically.
As to how he has made you life better through $800 billion, I cannot. I can tell you that X number of economists say it was needed to curb a recession, and that you would be so much worse to day if he hadn’t done it – but I don’t know if that’s true. To be honest, I think none of us do – and we take is as an article of faith that that helped or hurt, largely based on our party affiliations. Because at the end of the day these conversations fall into the same campaign rhetoric that you correctly note seem to be driving the governing of our country.
My own sense is that Obama is an OK president, neither great nor terrible – and that the current strategy of the GOP to let let him get anything done has made him thus. I think that come Fall I will be like a lot of other Americans – someone that would have been happy to vote someone else in as President, but will instead give Obama his second term because the opposition party has chosen the wrong moment in history to become a bit of a train wreck.Report