The Trump Economy On the Brink
It’s hard to keep track of all the things President Trump is melting down over this week. I thought cancelling a trip to Denmark over Greenland was the low point. But the most dangerous stuff came on Friday with two sets of tweets. The first:
….My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 23, 2019
Trump is furious that the Fed — and the Chairman he appointed because Janet Yellen was apparently too short — are being opaque about monetary policy (which is their usual standard so they don’t affect markets) and not lowering interest rates. This is the same President who assures us every day that we have the best economy ever … which should result in Fed maintaining moderate to high interest rates to keep inflation in check. He’s also mad that the Fed has labelled his trade wars as an area of concern, which I’ll get to in a moment.
Powell is acting entirely appropriately, trying to keep the economic expansion going without creating inflation. That’s a tricky balance at the best of times and one made much more complicated by trade wars and political unrest. Trump, as far as I can tell, is demanding that the Fed do everything it can to keep the economy from going into recession while he’s President. And while, at first blush, that sounds good, it’s actually kind of bad.
We have some experience with a Federal Reserve that would burn everything down if it meant preventing a recession in the short term. Starting in the mid-60’s the Federal Reserve engaged in a monetary policy designed to keep unemployment low, even if it meant high inflation, based on what turned to be a broken theory called the Phillips Curve. By the end of the 1970s, we had high inflation and high unemployment and a bunch of Keynesians insisting that it was reality that was at fault, not their models. Everyone knew what had to be done: the Fed had to get control of the money supply. But no one wanted to do it because they knew it would cause a short but severe recession. And so they kicked the can down the road, making the inevitable recession worse with each passing day. Finally, Paul Volcker (with support from Reagan) did what had to be done. We had a terrible recession and then got onto a recovery that went, with only short downturns, for the next 25 years.
What Trump wants is to recreate that situation in spirit if not in detail — kick the can down the road, making the inevitable recession much worse as long as it doesn’t happen on his watch. This is perfectly consistent with his entire political philosophy — short term gains that benefit him even if they screws the country in the long term. See, for example, his tax cuts and massive deficits.
Going to war with his own Federal Reserve would be a bad day for any President. While the Federal Reserve is nominally independent to protect it from precisely this sort of political pressure, our economy has done best when the President and the Federal Reserve work together (Reagan and Volcker; Clinton and Greenspan; Obama and Yellen). Having them at cross purposes would be bad enough. But Trump also decided to ramp up his trade war with China:
For many years China (and many other countries) has been taking advantage of the United States on Trade, Intellectual Property Theft, and much more. Our Country has been losing HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year to China, with no end in sight….
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 23, 2019
Let’s just stop right here. We have not been “losing” money to China. Trump is pushing the myth that a trade deficit drains money from a country and that, eventually, all the money will be gone. In fact, a trade deficit is usually the sign of a healthy economy. It means that our economy is generating so much wealth it is, in effect, “spilling over” into other countries like a fountain overflowing a basin. We get products and investments; China gets cash. Everyone benefits. Trade is not zero sum. China’s wealth does not make us poor. This is the lesson we have learned very painfully over the last century.
…unfair Trading Relationship. China should not have put new Tariffs on 75 BILLION DOLLARS of United States product (politically motivated!). Starting on October 1st, the 250 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, currently being taxed at 25%, will be taxed at 30%…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 23, 2019
…Additionally, the remaining 300 BILLION DOLLARS of goods and products from China, that was being taxed from September 1st at 10%, will now be taxed at 15%. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 23, 2019
Kids, read up on the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act. This was the protectionist act that Congress passed in 1930 to try to prop up our economy. It not only failed, it made the Great Depression much worse by killing global trade. And this was in 1930, when economies were far less interconnected than they are now. We now have a President looking at that and saying, “Hold my Diet Coke”.
China doesn’t just sell us cheap toys. They sell products involved in every stage of manufacturing and production in this country. The result is that everything we buy is about to get more expensive (see, e.g., what happened with his washing machine tariffs). And it is unlikely to create tons of American jobs (see, e.g., the lack of new jobs in steel). Moreover, as China retaliates, we’re going to find we can’t export things. Which I guess will mean another round of farm subsidies.
Look, I’m no economist. This post stretches my knowledge of the field and I suspect a few economists would faint reading what I’ve written. But you don’t need to be an economist to know that none of this is good. We have a President at war with everyone: his own Federal Reserve, China, Europe, Mexico and Congress. He’s pushing an economic agenda that is pure crackpottery — tax cuts, defense spending, soaring deficits, loose monetary policy, low interest rates and trade wars.
The interesting thing is that everyone in Trump’s Administration is apparently trying to warn him about the course he’s on. But Trump isn’t listening to them; instead he’s listening to one the most chitinous cretinous crackpots in an Administration full of them: Peter Navarro. Trump is rumored to have found him via Google search and loves him because he tells Trump exactly what he wants to hear: trade is bad, China is screwing us, everyone else is wrong. If you haven’t had the Full Navarro Experience, you can watch here as Jake Tapper grills Peter Navarro on the Trump economy. Navarro keeps saying that Tapper should “check the data” but the data shows the complete opposite of what he’s saying.
On @CNNSotu, Navarro kept telling @jaketapper to "look at the data" for evidence that tariffs were not affecting U.S. prices. Has Navarro himself looked at the data? https://t.co/ZiUePMOcKG pic.twitter.com/N6FUZ8b1bB
— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) August 18, 2019
So in addition to all the other problems, we have our economic policy being set by a man who insists that black is white, up is down and Gigli was a cinema classic.
The potential for a big economic meltdown feels very real (It feels even realer when you remember that many Democrats are pushing trade policies that are just as bad if not worse). I know that a lot of people who dislike Trump are hoping for a recession so he’ll be driven out of office. These people should be ashamed of themselves. Recessions mean suffering. Recessions mean permanent damage to people’s lives. Recessions means suicides. I despise Trump but a recession that drives him out of office is the last thing I want.
The only real hope for us to glide between the Scylla of Trump’s economic buffoonery and the Charybdis of electoral politics is for Congress to wake up and do their job. Trade policy is supposed to be their bailiwick and they could easily wrest control back. But even typing that sentence makes me blush with shame at my own naïveté. There is no way they will actually do their damned jobs. Republicans won’t do it because they are completely cowed by Trump. Democrats won’t do it because they would rather win the election than work the problem.
And so, here we are, careening toward an utterly predictable economic catastrophe (similar, in its way, to the other preventable economic catastrophe being Thelma-and-Louise’d toward in Great Britain). Trump is at the wheel, clutching hands with Peter Navarro and insisting he’s the best driver ever. The Democrats are in the passenger seat, arguing about what color the upholstery should be. And the rest of us are in the back seat, feeling the thing careening out of control and unable to do anything to stop it.
One of the only realistic things about Ayn Rand’s interminable magnum opus Atlas Shrugged is that, as the economy fails, the political leaders blame everyone else and double, triple, quadruple down on failed policies. We’re now seeing that playing out in real time with Trump. It makes you wonder how many of those Republicans clutching their copies of Atlas Shrugged as totems of their supposed capitalist credentials actually bothered to read the damn thing.
Don’t worry, China will just absorb the price increases!
Navarro is a dangerous fool.Report
Republicans won’t do it because they are completely cowed by Trump. Democrats won’t do it because they don’t have any actual power. (Fixed that for you.) By the way, the tax cuts and massive deficits aren’t Trump’s; they’re Ryan’s and McConnell’s. You can’t name a GOP candidate from 2016 who wouldn’t have signed that bill. Pretending that tax cuts pay for themselves is a longstanding GOP tradition,Report
^THIS! 10 times This.
Trump’s skill is gilding turds and selling them for a premium. Much like the attempted ACA repeal, Trump was mostly MIA and not involved in the actual crafting of the TCJA. He just needed congress to pass something so he could sell it. The contents were largely irrelevant. Branding and marketing is what he likes to do and he is damn good at it.Report
Yeah, I think we are heading towards a recession. Possibly a major global, recession barring an absolute miracle. On Saturday, Trump double down on his “hereby order” and insisted he could command U.S. companies to stop trading with China.
I will say what I have said about Trump before: he is an idiot, racist, narcissist, bad businessman who inherited his wealth largely, and he is probably undergoing serious cognitive decline*.
What is striking and perhaps disturbing is how quickly the Republican Party has abandoned its former free trade principals because of Trump. They are going back to an older version of themselves as you note and one that was a disaster. There is a saying that the left uses “The Republican Party fears its base, the Democratic Party loathes its base.” I don’t think this is completely true but it is striking. There have to be GOP politicians and policy wonks that know something bad is going to happen because of Trump’s comments and actions but they say and do nothing. They do this because the base loves Trump and they fear losing their jobs in primaries. Instead, a lot of them read the writing on the wall and announce that they are not seeking reelection.
Trump’s nationalism is not new. If anything the U.S. is slightly behind on the trend compared to Hungary, Poland, Russia, India, and other countries.
One problem I think is that our brains still work on principals on ideals that helped us survive in ancient times but are now useless and need to be discarded. One of these reptile brain features seems to be a fear, distrust, and dislike of outsiders. There seems to be a wish among many people for economic self-sufficiency in a way that kind of resembles an idealized Smurf Village or Shire. Everyone has a task and the town is a small self-sufficient community that is not dependent on anyone else. The only problem is that people want their modern entertainments and tech so you need Broadband Hobbit, Biomedical engineer smurf, and videogame developer smurf. We love the things that trade and interdependency produce but hate the interdependency.
The Atlantic has an article about overtourism and how a lot of the more picturesque places in the world dislike how much of their economy is dependent on tourism and visitors. The problem is that a lot of cities/locations are essentially economic wastelands but for tourism. This does not just include rural locations. Cities like Venice and Florence have relied on tourism for large parts of economic activity since the 19th century if not before.
But people seethe at this and wish it were not so.
I do wonder if a lot of people want something like the Hukou system (even if they do not know what the Hukou system is) to keep people out but also to prevent brain drain. I event think people would want it within the United States to keep outsiders away despite the privileges and immunities clause of the Constitution:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_systemReport
Today is my pessimistic take, that even a recession will have only slight effect on Trump’s re-election chances.
Trump’s base is motivated by anger and the desire to inflict pain and punishment. And so they will accept an almost unlimited amount of economic pain before giving up on him.Report
There is a lot of polling including on Fox News that should scare the shit out of Trump and/or the GOP if they were rational actors. Indeed it is because the rational actors are declining to run for reelection. The 2018 midterms should show a reasonable actor that Trump is bad news.
But as you note, they have different motivations and the GOP fears its base more than anything.Report
I’m hoping that as farmers watch their property being auctioned off they consider voting D, but I also am aware that the human capacity to rationalize and find a scapegoat for their own bad decisions is very powerful.
There are still people trying to pin the 2008 recession on the CRA.Report
Japan just said they’d buy surplus US corn. Problem solved.
On the downside, this probably means sushi will switch from rice to hominy.Report
For many years JAPAN (and many other countries) has been taking advantage of the United States on Trade, Intellectual Property Theft, and much more. Our Country has been losing HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year to JAPAN, with no end in sight!Report
You left out treating the US Navy’s 12 carrier strike groups like a public good…Report
As well as “Sapping” our PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS, and treating the Karate Kid very very unfairly which many, many people have commented on using Random Capitalization and even ALL CAPS! Not Good!Report
Japan has asked the US Marines to fly F-35’s off their two helicopter carriers. Trump had been talking about the upgrades to support F-35 operations when he was aboard the Kaga (not to be confused with the other Kaga that launched aircraft against Pearl Harbor).Report
To paraphrase Iron Man, “Yeah? How’d they solve the deck heat problem?”Report
Steam catapults.Report
They’re upgrading the flight decks. Apparently the Kaga or Izumo will have their decks ready sooner than Japan will have their own F-35B’s ready, which is why they’re asking the Marines in. The Marines will also help the crew shake out their operations.Report
There are two completely unrelated questions to consider with Trump: what he’s saying and what he’s doing. I’m very concerned about his trade war actions. I’m not concerned about his trade war statements, except to the extent that they may trigger foreign responses. There’s nothing that’s happened in the stock market, and not much in labor or capital, that couldn’t be reversed by negotiations between the US and China.
Global economic downturns happen, and we may be headed toward one. Global crashes are something different. They’re tough to predict. A good rule is: don’t provoke one.Report
I can tell you from personal experience this year of our Lord 2019 that that big industrial conglomerate vaguely related to Edison, who sells light bulbs and power plants, and briefly sold us Friends, is massively obsessed with every single Presidential tweet.
That unnamed industrial conglomerate changed the terms of their proposal to sell poor me a power plant four times in response to tweets, and the final contract, worth fifty millions, has detailed language about what to do when new tariffs appear between now and Oct 2020.
As unnamed upper level executive of unnamed corporation said to poor me, It is impossible to transact business when everything changes by tweet.
The effect to poor me’s shareholders was about six more million in tweet related costs, and a price opener in the contract in case of more tweets. Yes, poor me’s shareholders, with 14 billion in investments, are being hit not just by what Trump does, but by what he tweets. And no future trade agreement between a Democratic USA Government and China will bring the extra costs back. The impact and the damage is happening now.Report
Then they were dumb. Big companies *can* be dumb.Report
Big companies can be dumb indeed
I’m sure the people that won’t be hired because dumb companies cancelled billions of dollars of investments will be cheered up by that idea.
There are “ought”, and there are “is”. But only “is” actually helps pay billsReport
The recession panic will only last until RBG has to be replaced and the confirmation hearings start.
Russian Collusion!
Brrett Kavanaugh is a serial rapist!
Mueller Probe!
White Supremacy!
Recession! (<- We are here)
Amy Barrett is a cultist papist stooge!Report
Recession is inevitable, question of when and how badReport
Emergency!!!!! Engage distraction mode. Fire all distraction tubes!!!!Report
You left out Trump’s dementia.
Did you read the transcript from the NYT meeting on how they should cover the next two years? Illuminating. They were pretty up-front that the last two were all about Russian collusion, but since that narrative collapsed, they were switching to white supremacy. They even cast it in terms of the last two / next two, probably without realizing that when they talk about covering the world as it is, they mean writing about what they perceive as the president’s greatest weaknesses.
I’d hate to see a recession, I’m afraid of a trade war, and I’m no fan of Trump. But the press is a joke.Report
If you think that positional goods are more important than absolute goods, it makes sense to ask questions about why we sent all of our manufacturing (and associated jobs) overseas.
If absolute goods are the important thing, you only have to explain why the unemployed people in the rust belt ought to be happier with their cheaper tech.Report
From Peter Nicholas in The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/08/donald-trump-g7-summit/596788/
Trump’s narrative encapsulates a larger problem: whether he can be taken at face value, means what he says, and knows his own mind...
How is anyone to know for sure when White House policy is articulated largely through bursts of 280-character tweets, interspersed with screeds about the latest personnel moves at Fox News?
At this point, no nation on earth can trust that the United States will honor any commitment, or even has any to honor.
Whether the President is suffering from senile dementia, or is simply acting out as a sociopathic narcissist, is now an academic question.
What is clear is that the most powerful economy and military in the world is being guided by someone who in any other capacity would require an intervention.
Which is why the problem lies not with Trump but with the voters, media, Congress and the courts.
Its ironic that of all the institutions which are given the power to rein in a mad president, its only Wall Street, the institution which has no Constitutional power that is the one sending alarm signals that the ship of state is on a collision course with reality.
Tomorrow morning should be interestingReport
He’s so crazy that other world leaders are adopting his policies because they want to be successful, too!Report
The threshold of sanity begins with not trading with commies.Report
From the article:
At the Group of Seven meeting in Biarritz, France, there are, in effect, two different summits under way—one that’s happening in President Donald Trump’s mind, and another that is actually happening on the ground; there’s the summit Trump is trying to will into existence, and the summit unfolding in real time.
His counterparts, he insists, are coming forward and agreeing with him that it’s a good idea to readmit Russia to the group, he said today (it was tossed out in 2014 after it annexed Crimea). He’s hearing broad support for his trade dispute with China and a lunch visit yesterday with Emmanuel Macron was the best he’s had yet with his French counterpart, he said.
Yet in none of these instances does Trump’s version of events hold up. Pressed to name the other leaders who endorse the notion of letting Russia back in, for example, Trump demurred. “I could, but I don’t think it’s necessary,” he said. Report
Maybe Trump needs to setup a whole different trade program, we trade two of our commies for each capitalist.Report
I don’t know how many people are actually cheering for a recession; out of 350M there are certainly a few. My attitude is that a recession is inevitable someday and likely sooner than later given that we never bothered to really fix what’s broken in the financial sector after 2008 amplified by Trump’s foolishness. So if it’s just a matter of when not if, then 2020 is a relatively opportune moment all things considered.
My views on matters economic are decidedly heterodox. I trace our primary source of economic woes of various sorts to the Nixon Shock of formally abandoning the notional gold standard and controlled currencies of the Bretton-Woods era, which led to the chronically unbalanced trade situation of the last 40+ years. Yes, I believe the trade deficit matters. Not in a bilateral sense vis-a-vis China or Mexico or whoever, but our overall imports vs exports. Quite simply, we’ve been purchasing and consuming more than we’ve been producing and selling. Collectively, we simply don’t earn enough to support our lifestyle and the only way to sustain that is through debt, both federal and personal, which has exploded in that time period. It’s not even really economics, just basic accounting. And of course, the same folks that insist that the trade deficit doesn’t matter simultaneously get all worked up over the Federal debt, resolutely refusing to see the connection between the two, or perhaps pointing the causal arrow in the other direction.
But the answer isn’t the Trumpian response of engaging in trade wars, casting our trading partners as enemies. It lies in understanding how a floating fiat currency actually works and adjusting our monetary policy accordingly.Report
Collectively, we simply don’t earn enough to support our lifestyle and the only way to sustain that is through debt, both federal and personal, which has exploded in that time period. It’s not even really economics, just basic accounting.
Your basic accounting is only partially correct.
We should never confuse assets with limited vs unlimited useful life. An asset is a resource with economic value that an individual, corporation or country owns or controls with the expectation that it will provide a future benefit. The useful life on an asset should be at least as long as the tenor of the debt associated with that asset.
A person’s main asset is not her house or her 401k, it is her ability to work and generate income , and that asset has a useful life of about 45 years. From an economics perspective, houses and 401k and other investments that we call a person’s assets, are just mechanisms for that person to save some of its excess revenue generating capabilities and temporally shitting that revenue past their own useful life. Taking more debt than that that can be serviced during your productive lifetime, or that exceeds at some point your revenue generating capability, well, that will definitely bankrupt you.
Countries are different, though, countries’ assets are not roads or bridges either, it’s their tax base. To the extent that the government can collect taxes, their revenue generating capability has not been impaired. To the extent that people have children, there will be more taxpayers in the future, and the asset base of the country has actually grown, even with the same tax base.
For the same reason, countries (and certain kinds of companies, like natural monopoly utilities) are not expected to pay down the principal on their debts. If the useful life of their asset, the tax base, is unlimited, an growing, the term of the debt should also be unlimited, and growing, to, ideally, keep a stable ratio of debt to GDP. Debt service should cover only the interest payment (in real life, countries pay the principal, and then replace that principal with new debt).
To the extent there’s a temporary crises, like a recession, its natural -and prudent- for countries to continue its current debt level, or take additional debt, which will be eventually served by the natural growth of the tax base.
Of course, there’s a limit to how much a country can raise much the tax burden on its population, but the USA is very far from that limit. It is one of the lightest taxed developed economies, and we just passed a massive (and unnecessary) tax cut. We can safely significantly increase taxes if needed be. It will be political suicide for those that vote in favor of tat tax raise. but the USA won’t be bankrupt by it.Report
Roads comment is more whole and your comment is more partial because he at least addresses a potential for problems of fiat. It appears you have excluded them.Report
The answer also lies in remembering that the national debt and the federal deficit are all about federal expenses against a tax base, not consumer purchasing rooted in imports and exports. The debt as discussed in the media is a separate entity from consumer debt – which is also not exactly related to the import-export imbalance that is the trade deficit. conflating all three is a reason why bad economic policy (like trickle down) can flourish in the US.
The national debt and deficit are completely a function of the taxes we collect and the money the government spends. And for 4 decades politicians have tried to sell us a bill of goods that says cutting those taxes while NOT cutting that spending is OK because the economy will grow enough to offset it. When that happens its not because we should tax ourselves for the services we want – its because we need to cut taxes more. That gap will never be made up by protectionist trade policy or tariffs or any thing else in the trade arena because it snot driven by trade.
And if you want the trade deficit to shrink, we as a nation either have to be willing to pay more for the goods we buy so they can be made here, or we have to trash our environment and go back to harming our workers so the costs are the same and profits can be preserved at the level they are now. Otherwise in the consumer good arena we will always run a deficit to other countries. But again, that’s not part of the federal deficit or national debt. Different drivers, different solutions.Report
This is a pretty good comment Philip, you touched on consumer debt(of the tax base) that is often left out of the calculations when most entities are considering debt services.
There wasn’t any mention of what taxes do to the velocity of money, but all in all you included a broader picture than is often given. Good stuff.Report
Trump wants the Fed to cut interest rates because it saves him money. He cares not one wit about anything else in that regard.Report
Yep, and Obama wanted the Fed to cut interest rates because he liked fluffy kittys. Nice try dude.Report
Read a little dude – the Washington Post had a really nice story about how nearly all the multi-million dollar loans he has underpinning his current real estate empire are variable rates – which means Fed rate cuts save him cash. He’s all about him first and foremost – and when you are a real estate mogul having your cash tied up in loans is no bueno. Fed rate cuts personally benefit him.Report
There is no reason to assume he isn’t doing it for the exact same reason Obama did. But hey, keep drinking that WaPo toxic waste.Report
There is 3+ billion reasons to assume he might have other motives. Long history of businesses that depend on other people’s money say he has personal upside in cheap money.Report
Its weird that the position he is in, with this economy, it can’t for sure be parsed that it is his greed or activity for a better economy that is the motive.
After 8 years of idiocy i guess a blind profiteering squirrel could do better than the social democrats.Report
yes you are absolutly rightReport
I don’t know who’s hoping for a recession or why they would. My mother is one of those older people who loves Trump and only watches Fox News. If there’s a recession, she’d say he’s trying to save the economy and it’s the fault of his enemies. She might be an outlier, but I’m not even sure it would hurt his chances for reelection. Regardless, it would be bad.Report
The problem with your mother’s approach is that she will be hurt by a recession and all the while ignore who is hurting her and why. That’s the crux of the issue with the diehard Trump supporters. They have accepted the misdirection on numerous issues and thus are enabling the calamity to grow.
As to his reelection chances – coal miners in Kentucky may well be waking up to the fact that he’s not putting them back to work. Ditto steel workers in Birmingham and car parts people in Detroit. Whether they defect will be determined by who the Democrats settle on and what message that person carries.Report