Everything in Baltimore Is All Totally the Police’s Fault, Not Mine
Let’s jump into the deep end right off the bat, and just get right down to the brass tacks and call a spade a spade — by which I am totally referring to a gardening tool no matter what you thought, and let’s be honest, if you thought otherwise then who’s the real racist here — and cop[1] to what we all know is the truth that no one but we fine few will dare speak out loud.
Everything that’s happening in Baltimore last night, last week, right now? Everything? It’s all the fault of the police. All of it.
C’mon. You know what I’m talking about. Don’t pretend that you don’t.
It’s clear that our so-called “protectors” have completely and totally “gone rogue,” which is the phrase we use when we talk about cops who defy our collective wishes and beat and unnecessarily kill suspects without due process… unless they’re going after the real bad guys like all those cops guys like Clint Eastwood and Liam Neeson play, in which case I think we have to realize they’re basically the last line of defense against the dangerous street thugs that those paper-pushers over at City Hall are just letting back out onto our streets on technicalities. But aside from those hero-cops, I think we all know I’m right.
In the past when these kinds of incidents have occurred, we’ve too often shamefully looked the other way. But this week we saw the violence unfolding in Baltimore in such a way that we could simply no longer ignore it. In the past all we had to inform us about what was going on in black neighborhoods was news reports and live coverage and government statistics and countless books and documentaries and scholarly academic works and just going to one and talking to people; we didn’t have the miracle of messages that come less than 140 characters. Call me a wide-eyed dreamer if you want, but I say there is simply no force in the world that can stand up to We The People when we’ve had the truth laid out before our eyes in short bursts that appear randomly between snarky remarks about the Lena Dunham and declarations that if the Kardashians can get behind a person who is transgender then, damnit, we can too. And so now, finally, swathed in the comfort of our armies of hashtags we can finally admit that the fault of everything that is happening in Baltimore lies absolutely, entirely, and without reservation with the police and in no way at all with us.
Man, it feels good to get that off our chest!
Still, fellow Warriors of Social Justice, we need to be aware that just saying it’s all the police’s fault isn’t enough. If we want change — really, really want really, real change — we need to go that extra step and do what the great champions of racial justice such as Greg Gutfeild and Geraldo Rivera have done in the past: make absolutely sure that we ourselves are not held up to even the tiniest shred of scrutiny or self-reflection.
And that’s going to require a whole lot of blaming everything on the police.
For example, there is the rather disquieting fact that — uncomfortable as it makes us feel to admit it — the police we keep reading about on The Raw Story all the time aren’t actually all that rogue.
In fact, assuming you’re not African American (and if you are, does it really matter to we white people what your opinion is?) polls pretty consistently show that despite what we might tweet during commercial breaks for NCIS: Some Random City, we actually like the cruel way the police are treating suspects — especially suspects who are people of color.
Last December, in fact, in the immediate wake of the fatal shooting of Rumain Brisbon and a jury clearing the police in their choking Eric Garner to death, Gallup showed that white Americans overwhelmingly approved of the police in general, and more specifically how they treated African Americans. Indeed, the numbers there suggest that last year’s coverage of cops killing unarmed blacks might have actually increased the confidence we whites have in them. Earlier this month we doubled down, and 70% of us let police commanders throughout the country know that we’re really OK with them hitting people.
There’s more:
In the wake of the tragedy and subsequent media circus that was Ferguson, we like to think that we as a nation were horrified at the killing of Michael Brown. This is largely a fiction, at least as far as we caucasians go. In August the Pew Research Center conducted a poll and found that only a third of us found Brown’s outrageously senseless slaying by the police was “going too far.” And as I’ve noted far too many times on these very pages, we actually like our justice system more when we’re convinced it treats blacks unfairly.
There’s more:
Our collective description of those who threw rocks in Baltimore, or who looted in Ferguson, or just stood in the street in DC, is telling: “thug.” (And I ain’t talking Fox News here.)
The word “thug” is important. When we use it, we do so in a way that communicates our thoughts not just about those who committed crimes but against the entire culture of black people, who we all know have issues with morality because they don’t have fathers. And if it turns out they do have fathers, like most of the unarmed victims of police we keep reading about, then that’s not really the point — I mean, have you heard the music these people listen to?
Meanwhile, if you comb the media coverage of this story of a white man murdering an unarmed black child for playing music too loud in a car, you will see the that the only time the word “thug” was used was, somewhat ironically, in a quote that described the victim.
There’s more:
As John Oliver demonstrated this past February, those in the justice system who are elected to office don’t hide their track records of the arguably abusive treatment of the those that run afoul of law enforcement — they run their entire campaigns on them. In other words, these people — the ones who are in charge of everyone those whose fault everything is — didn’t magically appear out of the ether while we were sleeping. We put them there, and we did so largely because they promised to do exactly what we all now agree they are totally entirely at fault for having done.
There’s more:
The same people who so approve of the way police respond to suspects who are people of color do so knowing that this 12-year old boy was shot for holding a toy gun… while treating these people as either heroes or funny curios, depending on your political stripes.
There’s more:
Every time a jury or grand jury comes back with a not-guilty verdict on some cop, vigilante, or other government official that kills, injures, unjustly convicts, restricts, redlines, detains, or illegally searches a person of color, or otherwise behaves in any other way toward a person of color that we don’t feel all that comfortable admitting that we feel really, really comfortable with, we shrug our collective shoulders and say, “well, we’re a nation of laws, and the law says X” — and then we can’t be bothered to change those same laws.
Obviously, though, none of that is important.
All that is important is this: It’s the police’s fault. All of it. In the shadows cast by the CVS flames that flicker on our big screen TV’s as we flip through the cable news channels, the collective problem of racism in the country remains, as always, the fault of that one group of people over there that isn’t us.
That’s why I’m taking a stand, right here and right now, to do something. In fact, I’m preparing to send out a tweet saying how much the Baltimore police suck as we speak.
Of course, before I can send that tweet out I need to post a few other tweets snarking about the plot holes in last night’s Agents of SHEILD. If I wait too long on those, they just won’t be that urgent any more.
[1] Ha! Get it?
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Right, so I’ve been irritated at incredibly self-righteous tweets. Like so many other signaling behaviors, I worry that it scratches one’s moral itch. Then one feels that one no longer has anything to do.
I don’t want to speak for Angry Tweeters (TM), but I don’t think they’d disagree with what you’ve said here. That is, that it’s not only the police, but wider societal forces demanding such from the police.Report
I’m willing to advocate for the moral obligation to call in the FBI, but I doubt most people are actually connected or clever enough to create a solid case — and even if they were, that they would manage to get the Correct People Out.Report
Interestingly, Twitter was instrumental in building the Ferguson protest movement. I knew about the Mike Brown murder while his body was still lying on the street, and of the protests that night, days before most of the media started showing up. The leaders of that movement, specifically the Black Lives Matter group(s), some of whom are in Baltimore now, became leaders largely through Twitter. I don’t mean to imply that this means someone like myself, not being in Baltimore, and having never set foot in Ferguson, but tweeting (or mostly retweeting, this time around) a lot of stuff about what’s happening there and about police violence generally, is actually doing something about it, but it does mean that in 2015, Twitter is important in such movements.
That said, while I see a lot of blame heaped onto cops, I see a lot of blame also heaped onto local and state, and in some cases even national leaders. In Ferguson, the mayor, the city manager, the states attorney, Democratic State Representative Jeff Roorda, and Democratic Governor Jay Nixon were all frequent targets of criticism and anger for months, and in Baltimore, the mayor has received a lot of criticism (though a lot of it has been about how she’s handled, and talked about the protests), and even the president has not come out of it unscathed (again, mostly for the words he used to describe some protesters).
The politicians who’ve emerged from Ferguson looking better than before, e.g. Antonio French, have done so because they’ve been critical of the police and other political leaders, and they’ve been on the ground at protests (though even French, who became something of a Twitter hero, has not endeared himself to the Black Lives Matter activists, who’ve criticized him for his criticisms of protest tactics). If what’s happening now is going to lead to change, it’s going to be because there are more people who take French’s route, rather than Roorda’s.Report
You’re doing something about it. a small something, but still a something.
And hey, if one of your friends decides to grab a camera and shoot video of the cops next time… well, then you’ve done a bigger small something.
(I still maintain that creative engagement of the issues is probably better than simple reforwarding… both because it keeps ideas fresh, and because you’re bound to be more attached to a movement if you create stuff for it).Report
Oh I ain’t doin’ shit. I know this. I suppose I rationalize my inaction by saying that my activist days are long over. I’m old and have a kid who’s about the age when the activist gene might kick in (he’s already becoming more politically aware by the day).Report
Whoa, hunh…I always assumed you were my age.Report
I’m deeply immature, but I’m 39 in physical years. My son is 17.
I’m also cantankerous, and something of a anachronism, so I combine my immaturity with a grumpy old man situated at some point in the 1920s.Report
I’m only 3 years younger than you, but I’m pretty sure I’ve got like -(a decade) on you in immaturity.
My body feels every one of its years but mentally I can’t seem to kick feeling 24.Report
Just passing along some advice I heard from Bill McKibben one day on the radio:
Old folk should be the ones out protesting; we can get arrested without it ruining our lives. When we depend on our youngsters to do it, we place the additional burden of a record on them, and can really screw up their lives.
Just sayin’Report
Personally, I think that Tonka trucks are virtually worthless when there’s serious carting work to be done.Report
Right, I should clarify: Twitter is a really effective way to create a different narrative on events, very quickly. In my own small corner of the universe, it’s been huge in creating a cohesive and sustained argument against sexism in predominantly male academic fields. It blows my mind how quickly things have changed, and Twitter is instrumental.
It has been the major source of a significant backlash against the too-easy dismissal of rioters (uprisers) as thugs. A position which would never even get an airing is, through tweets and retweets, getting a major following. With one of my classes, I watched Do the Right Thing. That movie was so controversial at the time. And my take-away from it is that Spike Lee is unsure whether rioting is justified as a response to police brutality or whether non-violent resistance should be pursued. That he’s not sure what the right thing is to do. That was a radical statement in 1989. Yet many on my Twitter feed goes much further than that, asserting that they are justified, or that anyone who is not oppressed should not dictate the means of resistance.
I think Twitter can very quickly organize a group into a reasonably coherent position and convince those who are on the fence. You can joke about 140 characters, but I’ve been persuaded to different and more activist views by hearing people out on Twitter (which of course, often involves a link to a post our essay).
So anyhow. As much as I can get annoyed at self- righteous tweets and worry about moral itch-scratching, I think @chris is right about it’s power.Report
I truly admire your impulses to clarify.
I don’t tweet. In fact, I like to mock it. That pretty much sums up my relationship with Twitter.
But I see the utility of it as an organizing tool, a means of coordination. More range than a walkie-talkie.
But I see a lot of it (i.e., by far the bulk) as bs that should never have been said.
But then I remember seeing a recent poll about the type of news people follow, and from what sources, and I was aghast that “Entertainment” topped the list of news items. I don’t see what so-and-so celebrity is doing as “News,” though I’d say that if Rob Halford got a new band together, I’d want to know about it– not as “News,” but more as trade stuff (though not the same category as if Lincoln came out with a new welding rod for 9-Cr steel).Report
@chris — +1 on all your points. It’s the old, “Unless your activism looks exactly like what I want it to look like (which is never quite defined) I’m going to mock you!”
Which, whatevs. I’ve seen a lot on this across the Twitter/Tubmlr/Facebook-sphere, and much is nonsense, the same white-kiddie-radical stuff you expect to see. Fine. But so what? I’ve also seen people make good points, even if pithy, and I happily retweeted those.
Am I jumping in my car to drive down to Baltimore and fight corruption?
Of course not. I’ve got my own shit to deal with, and I doubt that need a loudmouth white tranny to join their parade. But yeah, I’m looking and listening and speaking up some.Report
Antonio French was on the ground way before Ferguson.
That guy’s for real.Report
Yeah, he is for real, and I’m sure he’s been around for a while, but he went from local to international overnight, as in one actual night. I remember him asking how he could get verified on Twitter, because the number of followers and responses was overwhelming him and verification comes with some extra tools.
Also, watching him go after the out of town anarchists agitating for violence was awesome.Report
You can’t spell twitter without spelling twit.Report
So long as we don’t have to change the status quo, I’m willing to go to any length at necessary reforms.Report
I ask myself this question a lot. And the best answer that I can come up with is, “it’s complicated,” accompanied by a shrug.Report
The thing about Twitter & other social media, despite how utterly lame & inane it can be at times, is that it can create public awareness in ways we just couldn’t before.
Prior to the internet & social media, Freddie Grey would likely have just been a local tragedy, now it’s a national outrage. Which is probably a good thing.
Of course, it’s a double edged sword, one that can further fuel the sensationalist flames of media reporting on alarming crimes that are rare (but no one bothers to provide that bit of statistical context).Report
Related: Popehat explains the Police Officer Bill of RightsReport
I agree with all of those. Everyone should get these protections.
And if we cannot extend these protections to everyone due to overhead issues, then we probably have too many people being arrested. Let’s get rid of all of the victimless crime laws and then see if we can extend these protections to all.
If we can’t then we have a problem.Report
I agree..but you see others don’t. I give you the example of the comments in this thread:
https://ordinary-times.com/blog/2015/04/27/the-legalization-of-pot-just-got-a-huge-helping-hand
Where North says: “They don’t think they’re going to get drunk/high/etc and plow into a car loaded with kids right up until the moment they do it.” to justify drunk driving laws punishing folks who haven’t committed an actual crime of harm to someone.Report
I’m down with the whole “we have limited resources so we have to choose which priorities we have” thing. Totally.
I think we need to have different priorities because the priorities we have got us here and I don’t want to be here.Report
Now, while I agree with this part:
I agree with all of those. Everyone should get these protections.
And if we cannot extend these protections to everyone due to overhead issues, then we probably have too many people being arrested.
I can’t agree with this part:
i>Let’s get rid of all of the victimless crime laws and then see if we can extend these protections to all.
But I see this is the operational part:
we need to have different priorities
This might take awhile.
I’ll post it on the bottom.Report
Clearly, the problem is that we’ve done a bad job of abandoning the rotted old center cities, since we’re still trying to police them. Time to put up some sort of barriers a la Escape from New York and pull the police entirely.Report
@Jaybird
Receiving the same protections:
Some of those are already recognized law. The problem goes back to recognized rights and enforceable rights; more specifically, the enforcement mechanism.
So, if a cop happens to violate someone’s rights, they get to file a civil suit, which is most likely to get dismissed for suing a police officer. Of course, the courts call it something different because they like to pretend there’s some kind of law actually involved, but it’s really about the identity of the parties (or of counsel).
If a cop happens to violate someone’s rights and they wrongfully receive a criminal conviction, there’s a appellate process, which has every interest in finding no material irregularities. Were any irregularities found to be material, there might be liability.
Something of a long way of saying the system is rigged. (Go figure)
The real problem here is discretion. There is another aspect to this, that discretionary acts are not subject to mandamus.
But the solution lies in removing discretion from prosecutors (maybe even charging those in complicity with a criminal offense), and from judges. Both of those involve serious paring back of immunities.
Now, that’s doable, because the available immunities are derived from the common law rather than from statute (the common law immunities are actually at the discretion of the executive, so there is another avenue of approach). Statutory law trumps the common law, and so the solution need necessarily come from the legislature.
Victimless crimes:
A couple of different ways of looking at this.
One is that nobody is hurt, which isn’t true in all cases.
The other is about offenses against the public order.
Test question here (but I’m not telling you which test):
Say you’re out in the middle of nowhere, driving along without another vehicle in sight. You come up on a stop sign. Do you stop, or ignore it?
Different priorities:
The world is a creepy place. Fortunately, it is the people mainly that make it so, and they are relatively easy to do away with.
I look around and I see that the vast majority of Americans care not one whit about having any manner of rights. It’s not about being cognitive misers. It’s not about lack of adequate information. It’s more about straight-up not giving a sh!t than anything else.
I find that creepy.
I find that far more creepy than the thought that someone might try to break into my car while I’m in the mall. I can take active measures to protect myself against that, lessen the risk.
So, really, which one of them’s rights should I care about, other than my own?
If they have already sold themselves out, why should I take it upon myself to go against their wishes?Report
Say you’re out in the middle of nowhere, driving along without another vehicle in sight. You come up on a stop sign. Do you stop, or ignore it?
Me? I stop. Because there might be a cop hiding or a camera or something. (I also drive like a grandpa, to the consternation of my passengers.)
But when I was playing GTA3 for the first time, I stopped at a red light and waited and then asked myself “WHY IN THE HELL ARE YOU WAITING” and just drove through it.
And I wept because it was in that moment that I truly understood that God was dead.Report
it was in that moment that I truly understood that God was dead.
Yes, definitely.
But He gets resurrected after you beat the boss to get to level three.
That one requires a lot of prayer.
The test is obviously out-dated, as hidden cameras and sneaky cops are not a part of the answer . . .
Until now!!Report
I’d slow down….Report
So, really, which one of them’s rights should I care about, other than my own?
This is why I am glad that I got the operation. I don’t mind going down with the ship. It was a good run. Hey, we even legalized pot!
I’m glad I won’t throw my kids to the wolves. Plus I won’t have to worry about trying to explain to them that they shouldn’t smoke pot.Report
I don’t mind going down with the ship.
I understand that. Same here.
But why?
Is it a matter of being locked in to a chosen course, or simply a matter of irrationality?
What gives?Report
The Gods of the Copybook Headings are coming back, man. They’re going to explain things again.Report
@will-h
I’m in the same boat, although, I actually recognize that when those folks don’t care, I’m the one that looses in the immediate term, because I actually do care. They will too, one day, when the fist of the state is in their face.Report
@damon :
I care up to a point.
But there’s only so much I can do with this much caring.
I too am a cognitive miser, living the life of cognitive misery.
Sometimes, I just have to say, “Ok, if that’s the way you want it . . .,” and then pitch in on their self-destruction.
I’m only trying to help.Report
Indeed. I like that term, “cognitive miser”, because I’m similar. I care, but realize that, in many many cases, nothing will change, I can have no impact on change, and the effort is pointless…for now…
So I wait…Report
Tod,
I appreciate what you’re trying to do here, I just think the argument that white people have in some sense created and sustained the current institutional injustices black people experience as a matter of course sorta requires white folks to agree that black people experience institutional injustices as a matter of course. I mean, they have to agree with that premise before they’ll agree that they (we!) are part of the problem, yes?Report
Yes, exactly.Report
Heh. Well, I’m glad we could come to an agreement on this thorny issue.Report
Thank you for settling that, @stillwater
It had been perturbing me, too, and I couldn’t figure out how to make the point gracefully.
@rtod Do you know anything about how to train a dog? You basically ignore bad behavior and reward good behavior, because the dog wants attention, and does the stuff that rewards it with your attention.*
Puppy Training Philosophy (PTP) is a really good lens through which to think things through, mostly because it helps you (or me, anyway,) consider what result do I want, and what action can I take that’s most likely to move me closer to that result I want.
Amazingly, people who haven’t studied PTP often don’t make this simple connection, and they just yell at the dog to come and not to bark and not to jump on the neighbors and not to pull on the leash, which of course encourages the dog to not come and to bark and to jump on the neighbors and just about pull you right out of your boots as you and the dog go walking down the street.
I appreciate what you’re doing here, but it does feel a bit like those folk who are out there standing in their socks yelling at their dogs.
So here’s my question: what can a white person who gives a shit about the lives of people do? Don’t just tell us what’s useless; that’s yelling at the dog. Tell us what’s useful, that’s giving us a cookie after we heel.
* I realize people aren’t dogs, and even more importantly, lots of people don’t, as groups, behave like a single dog, let alone a pack of dogs.Report
It’s also interesting that in 4 days, we’ve gone from this to this.Report
With all due respect, @zic (and to be sure, much much respect is due), this is exactly what I’m talking about.
If I had made this a post about the hypocrisy of conservatives on race (or their reluctance for change that would bring more equity), neither you, V’Dire, Chris, or anyone else would have had a problem with whatever I said. But I widen my sights just enough to include liberals and the left, and suddenly my pointing out that same hypocrisy and reluctance is met with a lot of “good is the enemy of great” and “let me explain to you how to talk to people if you want them to listen.”
Which, really, is kind of the entire point of the post, which wasn’t really about Twitter at all, but rather this: that it isn’t just some group of people over there that we aren’t a part of that’s responsible for Baltimore, Ferguson, and all the day-to-day crap that might justifiably (but never does) lead to violence that happen all the time everywhere and everyday in this country. It’s all of us. *We* choose to let things stand as is.
Above, @stillwater said, we “all have to agree with that premise before they’ll agree that they (we!) are part of the problem, yes?” I have come to believe in the undeniable, crystal-clear truth in that statement. And further, that unless we ever do it won’t really matter what federal or state laws we pass or how many times we pick a Zadie Smith novel for next’s month book club. We — collectively, all of us, Left and Right together — will find ways to circumvent our own public efforts to make things better. We always do. It’s no accident that I chose very consciously to use the word “we” and not “you” or “them” in the OP, because I am not wanting to shield myself from the same blame I am directing to everyone else.
You ask if I could give you some examples of things white people might do that might make a difference. I actually have some thoughts on that, although I’m sure that — much like Howard Schultz’s — they are probably quite justifiably mockable. And that’s OK, I’m willing to be mocked. But to paraphrase the God of Twelve Step Programs (and, again, @stillwater ) nothing at all can be done until we all admit we are part of the problem, not witnesses to others who are.
We are still a very, very long way away from making that step, which is why I keep banging on this door.Report
@rtod so I take back my first comment. Because while I think most Angry Tweeters are all too happy to say whites in general all contribute, I think that if they did admit they themselves contribute, it would be an insincere and pro forma confession. I don’t *know* if that’s true, and I can’t make windows into men’s souls. But that’s my guess.
Here’s a way in which I’m part of the problem. I’m moving at the end of June, and haven’t yet found a place. One of my major focuses is finding a good school district. And I’m sure I’m not alone, including among those who are making angry tweets.
This is not necessarily specifically a race problem, since our first choice neighborhood I’m looking at is highly integrated. My seven year old is currently in a majority minority school and I’m happy to have him in it – but it’s a really good, reasonably well-resourced one. (It’s my kid with disabilities who would end up in the meh school now, and we’re zoned for a very bad junior high.) It seems to me, though, a serious class problem. People who can leave neighborhoods with problems, do leave neighborhoods with problems. Thus, some people who might have more time/energy/resources to demand change decide to move instead. And the problems continue.
As Frederick Douglass and MLK, jr both pointed out, people do not give up privilege willingly, ever. They must be prodded into it. And many who would prod remove themselves from the situation so that they don’t have to.
I believe this, and yet I’m still going to look for school districts. I justify this by saying I have to prioritize my own children, and there’s only so much agitating I could do on my own – and only so much efficacy one person can have. And it may even be justifiable looking at one individual case. But when everyone’s doing it, it seems less justifiable.Report
There is no shame in taking care of you & your own first. The world is not served by reducing your ability to affect change. If moving to a better school district will alleviate some of your day to day stress when it comes to how well your children are cared for & educated, then you have more time & energy to focus on making things better elsewhere. The trap is not the move, it’s the routine & complacency that follow the move that many fall into. And even that is not always a horrible thing.
For example, here in WA, the state is going to have make some hard choices regarding how public schools are funded because the courts said so. I suspect one of those choices is going to be that all the PS money is going into a giant state pool that will then be equally distributed to all districts. If that comes to pass, I know that there will be a lot of parents that will be upset by this, and worried that their schools will become poorer for it. Except that we have pretty strong evidence that money isn’t much of a determiner of success, at least not compared to parental involvement, so I suspect that there won’t be much degradation of quality at the good schools in WA, since the parents are involved, and will probably be pretty active in holding bake sales & such to help make up any shortfalls (likewise, moving money to really bad schools won’t help much either; I suspect it’ll be the median schools, the ones that could be much better, but need a bit more to get there, that will improve the most).
Which is a long way of saying sometimes you can do good just by not getting in the way, and encouraging others to not get in the way.Report
Just to be clear, I wasn’t criticizing your post at any point in this thread. Hell, I agree with it, even about myself, as I think I said more than once above. I was just making a general point about Twitter, because it gets a lot of heat here (I don’t think Rose was doing that, but I did use her comment as a launching point).
You won’t get any heat from me for criticizing liberals. Just ask Saul.Report
@chris Was actually thinking of writing a quick post defending Twitter.Report
OK, but keep it short, say about 140 characters. I’m a busy man.Report
@glyph space awesome.Report
Goes without saying that would love to read it.Report
@tod-kelly
It gets awfully easy to know, this isn’t a problem for me, the obvious solution is personally expensive to me (as @rose-woodhouse shows,) so the natural reaction is don’t move, don’t do anything; just shout for somebody else to do something.
But there is good stuff to do. don’t tweet and retweet the offensive fox commentary, tweet and retweet the amazing piece TNC just posted,
This whole be sarcastic about white people talking pisses me off, in no part because all people have a right to talk, and in some major part because white people can, in fact, mic what the people on center stage are saying. The call and repeat of hymns and sermons and OWS are at our service, the internet’s a hard place to hear voices without that passing it along.
But I also don’t see why we’re not finding and setting up crowd-sourced funding to pay for legal aid to folks like the kid who turned himself in after breaking the window on a cop car, and got slapped with $500,000 bail, and take an interest in these people receiving fair justice, not police-state plunder as we saw revealed in the Ferguson Report.
Reward the puppy for good behavior. The only requirement is figuring out what good behavior is, and mostly, its seems to make sure the people who’s lives are troubled get heard, and maybe, get some credit for taking steps to solve their own problems. A little support and faith and good credit to nurture their agency.Report
@stillwater
Even if all white folk agree with the statement that “agree that black people experience institutional injustices as a matter of course” doesn’t necessarily mean that they will agree to the next part, ” that white people have in some sense created and sustained the current institutional injustices black people experience as a matter of course”, and even then will be motivated to fix things.
It’s a VERY long road from 1 to 2 and an even longer road to 3. Frankly, you’re going to have to do a lot of explaining to show me, for example, how I contributed to 2.Report
“that white people have in some sense created and sustained the current institutional injustices black people experience as a matter of course”
I can cite contemporary court cases if you want… (having to do with mortgage lending, and systemic discrimination against black people.)Report
I think you’re missing his point.
Frankly, an awful lot of people on the Left do this, because they’re so outcome-minded they care little for process.
I’ll spell this out for you:
Which one of those court cases you care to show him was he a party to?
Mow, if you’re going to step into the field of collective responsibility, and attach generational shifts to one single person (on and on again for every single person), then the same has to apply elsewhere.
That is, if each and every white person is equally responsible for lack of equity in Black America, then what about all the blacks other than Rosa Parks who did, in fact, give up their bus seats?
Are they not “contributors” to this generational black oppression?
Are they not equally culpable?
Here is where I differ completely from Tod (and Still):
I’m fine with saying, “Here we are now. Let’s fix it!”
I care not one whit whose fault it is or who’s to blame.
I see such inquiries at counter-productive, needless micro-introspection, robbing precious energy from productive efforts.
Well, other than it may mobilize some who actually care to find fault and place blame.
To me, knowing there’s a problem is enough.
Further, I believe the benefit of a more just society is self-evident– it doesn’t need to be explained.
The “What’s in it for me?” part is adequately answered by, “A more just society.”
Maybe I’m too accustomed to the concept that I am a tribe of one, that I can’t expect for people to give heed or yield consideration.
But really, unless you buy into the notion of accumulated collective generational responsibility, then you lose people right out of the gate whenever this is given as a basis for mobilization when trying to convey that to people with more of a mind toward personal responsibility.
I really don’t care what the Borg did three thousand years ago.
I know I don’t care to be held responsible for their actions.
I suspect I’m not alone in that.
But that’s what you’re trying to reason with here:
A person who doesn’t buy into the basic premise.
It’s just that I happen to believe your basic premise is wholly unnecessary.Report
Thanks for reminding us how much better you are than us, Tod.
Okay… Being less obnoxious… I don’t want to say you’re attacking a strawman because people out there are making this argument… Or seem to be if you limit yourself to reading what they post on social media. But most folls recognize there are real structural issues at play.
Just today I was thinking, “What am I doing about what’s happening in B’more? And elsewhere?” Not much, I realized. But what could I be doing? Protesting would seem insufficient. I identified two parhs: support politicians and legislation that actually addressed the underlying issues AND instill in my kids (biological abd otherwise) an understanding of these issues so that they might grow up and contribute to some pretty major cultural/societal shifts.
Unfortunately, none of that fits in a Tweet and wouldn’t be worth the digital paper it was written on unless/until I actually do it. So… Yea… This just feels like a bit more signaling to me.Report
OT alumni Jamelle Bouie has something to say about who’s caused Baltimore’s unrest.
Sounds so like TNC’s take on reparations.Report
Good article and good comparison. As such, I have the same set of problems with the JB article that I have with TNC’s reparations case.
Both include an argument split into two parts:
1. Much of the present situation of black America is not due to failure to achieve or even benign neglect, but to a system of white supremacy that actively thwarted the individual and collective efforts of blacks in America.
2. Since these problems are caused by collective and coordinated social actions, only collective and coordinated social actions can solve them. Or as Bouie himself says:
I wholeheartedly agree with the first point, but as one might guess, I don’t buy the second. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the insistence that only holistic, coordinated social action can work is part of the reason that these problems persist to the extent that they do.
Likewise, I’ve gone on record here as saying that the whole white people need to have an honest conversation about race thing is incredibly boring to me. That’s not to say that there is no value in it. There’s always value in knowing the truth, if only for your own personal development. The whole notion, however, that white people becoming more progressive in their outlook on racism is somehow a necessary or sufficient condition to helping black people mired in systemic poverty or injustice is deeply flawed.Report
I’m not sure that race needs to drive much of the discussion, @j-r and when it does, I think it’s often a reason to not do stuff like this.Report
Truth.
The Quest for Increased Profit has achieved more gains in black standard of living than “honest conversations about race”.Report
A lot of White Americans were able to escape poverty and enter into the middle classes because of holistic, coordinated social actions. The collective goodies created during the aftermath of World War II to reward returning GIs, set up suburbia, and educate the Baby Boomers were holistic, coordinated social actions that aided White Americans at the expense of African-Americans in many ways. Without these programs, many more whites would be less well off economically and would be still living in the cities rather than suburbia. African-Americans and Hispanic Americans were specifically left in the cities and neglected.
Many White Americans are still ideologically driven to deny African-Americans any slice of federal goodies if possible. The Medicaid expansion part of the ACA helps people of color more than white Americans. By denying Medicaid expansion, many states are making the poverty faced by many people of color worse. The crusade against the ACA on the right is another way that many people are trying to keep federal goodies for themselves but deny it to those they do not like. Most of the opponents of the ACA are Medicare recipients. They are already getting their single-payer healthcare but seek to deny other people subsidized health insurance.
I think it is clear that a lot of White Americans are going to do anything in their power to stymie African-American socio-economic advancement at any cost. They will apply harsher punishments and do everything possible to prevent them from receiving social services. It is FYIGM at a national level.Report
@leeesq
That’s all great and it’s all to a certain extent absolutely true, but as the financial services companies are legally compelled to remind you, “past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.”
Just because lots of white folks, and some black folks, were able to move up the economic ladder thanks to a whole host of centrally-directed, post-WW2 economic policies does not mean that those same centrally-directed, top down policies are going to work in a late 20th century/21st century world. Things change, which means that the solutions have to as well.
If anything, what’s happened is that black folks end up catching the tail end of any wealth creating phenomenon (public sector employment, credit expansion and the housing boom, expanding college enrollment) and get left with a set of benefits not nearly as robust as what they once are plus a set of ever-expanding liabilities.Report
@j-r
“2. Since these problems are caused by collective and coordinated social actions, only collective and coordinated social actions can solve them.”
Do you disagree with this statement in isolation? Or the types of collective and coordinated social actions Bouie calls for?
Cuz I’d argue that taking steps to ensure that black folks are ensured due process, addressing school funding disparities, and ending the drug war qualify as “collective and coordinated social actions” and would help address (though not necessarily solve) the issues identified in 1).
I mean, to me it seems that the way to address white supremacy is to dismantle white supremacy. In some cases, this means stripping whites of power. In others, it means empowering non-whites. But “empowering” and “enriching” are not necessarily one in the same.Report
Hey, I’m a baby boomer. Everything that’s wrong in the world is my fault.Report
Thank you. I’ve gotten a little bit sick of everyone not in Baltimore expressing their Deep Feels about what’s been going on here, even when I agree with them. Especially, actually, because it sets off my somewhat hyperactive BS detectors. In general, if you aren’t directly involved in a situation, you have nothing to say, whichever “side” you’d put yourself on. Of course, if someone asks you to speak up, you become involved. Then, and only then, you have cause to develop and propagate an opinion on events not otherwise concerning you.Report
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say: I don’t believe so.
In fact, I’m going to go out on another limb here, and say that this argument is total crap.
But I’m not going to go out on a limb and say that this is a total cop-out, because that’s just too obvious.
As long as nobody says a damn thing, we’ll all be ok.
Thank goodness!!
I’m going to get started on that right away . . .
(here in just a minute . . . )Report
I suppose I did omit one thing here: there are some cases where something can be done (often this thing is giving money to people who are in a better position to act, but that’s not nothing). In such a case, feel free to act. But that’s the thing: you have to act. Telling all your friends that those people over there suck is not action. It’s preening.
“Look at how awful I think those people are!” is very much distinct from “What do you think about this thing that happened?” It is also distinct from “Remember that this other stuff happened, too, before you dismiss that group.” I’m only interested in condemning the first, which is the one I read Todd to be skewering in the OP. It’s something that you have to notice, but it is there in the posts of the Angry Tweeters and others like them. You can see it clearly in those not in Baltimore who post uncited rants about how terrible the cops (all cops, everywhere) are, or how there never were any protesters, only rioters. I and the anti-cop poster have sympathy for the same set of people, but I have none for the poster themselves. No cookies for tribalism.
“As long as we all keep talking, the voices of our oppressed friends will be heard.”Report
Telling all your friends that those people over there suck is not action. It’s preening.
I can see that.
And thank you for not being offended by my previous comment.
I am aware that sometimes I may come off stronger than intended.Report