Richard Posner, Keynesian
Richard Posner has an interesting essay on John Maynard Keynes in The New Republic. I’m still trying to untangle all the various ideas and contradictions implicit in this economic downturn. There are many competing visions which all have merit. That the stimulus and bailouts seem to have helped, I think is true, but what and who they have helped is another question. Whether they will do much for working (or unemployed) Americans is harder to say.
Consumer debt is high, and with plummeting home values, rising unemployment, and falling wages, the road to recovery is hardly obvious. We may be in something of a balance-sheet recession, but I think it goes beyond that, and it’s made all the worse by the housing burst. As consumer spending continues to fall – due both to people hoarding over uncertainty, to lost equity, and to people paying down personal debt – so does employment. As employment falls uncertainty rises, consumer spending drops off, and we find ourselves in a spiral. Decreased spending leads to higher unemployment leads to decreased spending and so on and so forth. Furloughs and wage cuts force people to limit spending, which leads to more furloughs, more wage cuts, and increased unemployment. It goes on and on.
At this point, Keynes would argue that the government should intervene – that it should replace consumer spending with government spending in order to keep employment numbers high. When the spiral is ended, and spending and employment have returned to normal levels then the government will have served its purpose. Business as usual can resume.
As Posner writes:
An ambitious public-works program can be a confidence builder. It shows that government means (to help) business. “The return of confidence,” Keynes explains, “is the aspect of the slump which bankers and businessmen have been right in emphasizing, and which the economists who have put their faith in a ‘purely monetary’ remedy have underestimated.”
Of course, there is the question of revenue:
But for a confidence-building public-works program to be effective in arresting an economic collapse, the government must be able to finance its increased spending by means that do not reduce private spending commensurately. If it finances the program by taxation, it will be draining cash from the economy at the same time that it is injecting cash into it. But if it borrows to finance the program (deficit spending), or finances it with new money created by the Federal Reserve, the costs may be deferred until the economy is well on the way to recovery and can afford to pay them without endangering economic stability. When investors passively save rather than actively invest, government can borrow their savings (as by selling them government bonds) and use the money for active investment. That is the essential Keynesian prescription for fighting depressions.
Now all of this makes sense to me, though I worry about two points. First, it is very difficult to scale back government spending once the floodgates are open. Government, like any other enterprise, is loathe to scale back for both good and bad reasons. It’s one thing for the state to step in to keep employment numbers afloat (though our current stimulus doesn’t seem to be doing that) and quite another for the government to indefinitely replace consumer spending with public spending.
At some point deficit spending is unsustainable, and so higher taxes are required – which has a negative “draining” effect on the economy. (I’m not against returning tax rates to the very reasonable rates of the late 90’s, but there is always the temptation to just keep raising taxes to keep up with increased spending. At a certain point tax increases will harm productivity which will, ironically, cause revenues to fall.) Add to this all the other government efforts, from two wars to health care reform to efforts to save the world from global warming, and it’s increasingly tricky to see how we can sustain any government financed recovery short of outright plunder.
I’m not sure if public works are the best stimulus either. Certainly they can be excellent job creators over the long haul. An ambitious high-speed rail or interstate project, for instance, would create many jobs but would not do so quickly. The bonus to the infrastructure and to long-term employment would be tangible, but in the immediate do very little. Direct payouts to consumers might make more sense – though if we are indeed in a balance sheet recession, that money would likely be spent on paying down debts rather than buying more stuff – which isn’t a bad thing, but isn’t particularly stimulating either.
In any case, to put it all bluntly, I remain somewhat agnostic on the stimulus, on the proper path forward, and on many of these big economic questions. I’m trying to frame this through Bastiat’s broken window, but the “seen” and “unseen” remain elusive. Absolutists on both sides of the aisle harangue us with empty words and hollow ideological arguments – either too confident in the abilities of government to save us, or too utterly certain that it is government itself at the root of the mess. To be perfectly frank, I’m just not sure. I imagine there’s some truth in all these claims.
And now for some South Park to help frame the debate. The whole episode can be seen at South Park Studios. The last bit (not shown below) has Kyle taking a fairly straightforward approach to consumer debt – a sort of jubilee, if you will.
South Park | Wed 10pm / 9c | |||
Sliced Hot Dogs and Tomato Slices? | ||||
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South Park | Wed 10pm / 9c | |||
Bailout! | ||||
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This reads to me less like you are agnostic about stimulus then you think it is good but are unsure about the implementation. It’s not really news that this country has deferred maintenance on a lot of public infrastructure for decades which would/can/is a good place to start spending stimulus money.
I remember the seen/unseen post. I can see the power of the argument but I left me unimpressed. It , while a reasonable idea to keep in mind, ultimately avoids the question about whether to spend money on a project, by raising an unanswerable implication that something we can’t see/know/analyze might be harmed. Well I might be killing innocent fairy elves on my drive to work in the morning, so does that mean I get to stay home from work. It is reasonable to raise the idea of unintended consequences but not to the point of ignoring or appreciating the direct, intended positive consequences of something. And of course everything has unintended consequences and unseen affects.
If people wanting spending to go down it can. People often blame the government for spending on things that people want. That’s democracy. While many of us would love to decrease the defense budget, many , many people want to spend that money. Okay I am being a bit flip, cutting spending can be hard what with the immense corruption and influence of ACORN the military industrial complex. But projects/spending can have sunset provisions, etc.
It’s sort of funny the only people who ever raise the idea of government doing everything for us or save us from all our problems, are critics of government who raise those ideas. However those are strawmen. I haven’t’ heard, nor do I personally believe as an official liberal, that government can do everything for us. that it isn’t in the secret plans I have seen. You can do better then that silly argument ED.Report
Well that’s not really what I’m saying, is it? My point is that there is too much faith – not incontrovertable or all-consuming faith, but simply too much faith – in the capacity of government to solve problems. Especially the federal government. Likewise, there is too much antipathy on the right toward any and every government measure. It leads us down this road of never being able to discuss implementation because one ideology thinks that anything is better than nothing, and the other believes that nothing is better than anything, and too few people discuss how to go about it (this is true with health care as well – that’s why good health care bills like Wyden/Bennett get so little momentum).Report
I’m not sure how what your saying is different from what I said you said. But I will say again how people love to criticize government for what people in democracy vote for. Americans want a lot of things and they often vote to get them and then whine about having to pay for them. Or a slight variant, they whine about the evil government because other people voted for the government to do things they don’t like ( see tea baggers). Most things a lot of us agree are a waste have many people who think is just nifty. That is not the governments fault.Report
Maybe Greginak, but a lot of things that government does are things that help just a few people a lot and hurt all of us just a little. So when you try and cut it you get one group who howls really loud and the vast majority who benefit from it benefit only mildly and so aren’t exercised enough to bother standing up for themselves.Report
Shorter Posner: Don’t just stand there; do something. Which is frankly why I haven’t been all that bothered by the bailouts and stimulus. There is certainly a lot of wasted money and, with hindsight and without having to take political considerations into account, I’m sure you and I could sit down and design a program that would work equally as well and waste less money. But that isn’t the real problem, which is, as you point out, when to stop. Lord Keynes may have lived at a time when sober people ran the government and could be counted on to act in a reasonable manner. We do not live in such times and the danger over the intermediate period is that Congress and the Fed won’t stop, at least until they have created an even bigger inflationary mess. My guess is that 2011 and 2012 are going to be very interesting (in the Chinese curse sense of the word) years.Report
Indeed. And again this goes back to not being able to have a sober conversation about how to go about implementing these things. But as to any semblance of solution to that, I’m empty-handed.Report
Good post E.D. I’m with you on your concerns about Keynes. Government definitly loves spending money in a chrisis but they hate saving money in a boom. The problem is that when the times are good no one wants to rock the boat and government fears that their tax raising or spending cutting will be scapegoated as the cause of the eventual down turn.
Still it’s good to keep in mind that one way or another the markets make sure the debt does get paid. Off the top of my head I can think of three obvious examples.
-Government controls spending, raises taxes and pays off outstanding debt. Think Canada during the 90’s which required a lot of fiscal discipline and pretty much eviscerating the Canadian military (the lack of credible opposition parties also helped a lot).
-Only controlling spending to keep it below GDP. Example is the Clinton terms with Republicans in congress running about. Much easier to do but produces effects a lot less dramatic than the Canadian example (where the paid down debt was compounded on by economic growth).
And finally, if you don’t do either…
-Inflate your way out of debt. Our old friend stagflation comes to mind or post World War 1 Germany. Inflation really is a kind of huge regressive tax on everyone.
Anyhow one way or another the spending gets paid for.Report