Book Bleg: The Evolution of God
Robert Wright, The Evolution of God
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This is the first clip of a multi-clip interview between Bob Wright and Ross Douthat discussing Wright’s new book The Evolution of God. You can click that clip to send you over to Youtube and find the rest from there. For anyone interested, the interview serves as a very clear overview of this book.
This book is many ways a followup to BW’s previous text Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny. That book caused a very interesting debate between Wright and his good buddy Steven Pinker which you can read here (recommended). Since the book flows from the argument’s of that early work, a word or two on Nonzero.
Nonzero sum situations are those in which both sides gain by supporting (or at least not attacking) each other. Wright’s argument is that over the long term, selection is tending towards greater and greater degrees of non-zero sumness.
Pinker’s main criticism of the book was that Wright introduced a teleological view of the universe–that natural selection has goals of increased co-operation, harmony, and intelligence via the mechanism of non-zero sum games. For Pinker the only thing nature selects for is reproduction, though he agrees with Wright that nonzero logic is at play it is not a matter of destiny but simply a by-product (beneficial to be sure) of another more primary process.
First, if I correctly understand your claim that “natural selection has the goal of enhancing replication, period,” then I take issue with it. To be sure, that is the fundamental goal natural selection instills in the things it “designs” (e.g., us), along with subordinate goals (eating, having sex, showing off in order to have sex, etc.). But whether natural selection, and the process of biological evolution it sponsors, are themselves in the service of a larger goal seems to me an open question. Certainly, as a matter of historical fact, biological evolution has accomplished things other than, and in a certain sense larger than, genetic transmission: It has created a whole biosphere; it has tended to raise the outer envelope of organic complexity and even of intelligence. It seems to me at least possible that these represent some larger “goal” that natural selection was “designed” to achieve. Maybe the basic goal of organisms–genetic proliferation–is subordinate to that larger goal, rather as the reproduction of cells within humans during their maturation is subordinate to the reproduction of humans upon their maturation.
The Evolution of God then follows this argument up through the lens of religion arguing how religions (in his case religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) participate in this process of nonzero-ity. Now this is a controversial argument to be sure.
It gets even a little more controversial in that Wright is an epiphenomenalist: he gives consciousness a degree of validity but sees it as a by-product “designed” by natural selection. “Designed” in quotes because of course natural selection doesn’t consciously design. Wright is also known to practice meditation and reports having had a mystical experience at an 8 day Buddhist retreat. His earlier work at Meaningoflife.tv was very much in this line (also highly recommended).
All of which makes him pretty far out by orthodox scientific standards (represented by Pinker), though nevertheless he is still as he says in this clip a materialist. His philosophy in a sense is a kind of combination of Marxism and natural selection. Not Marxism in the sense of seeking a communist future, but simply that worldviews are driven by the real force of social and technological material history. Moreover, since Wright only accords consciousness a very limited status–though again by orthodox scientific terms this makes him a little suspect–he has to hitch all development through the rather limited (in my mind) function of non-zero sum game theory.
[Sidenote: Instead of talking about design and goals–which I think are very poor metaphors in this context–I would prefer to talk about forays or experiments or lunges. Those metaphors I think open up more space (another metaphor by the way). What Whitehead called the “creative advance into novelty.” Creativity I think is a much better metaphor than design, whether conceived as natural or intelligent in nature.]
Wright as he admits later in the diavlog with Ross Douthat is a cosmopolitan. The argument throughout his book is that the Abrahamic religions invoke a good God when the material forces are primed to non-zero sumness and a vicious God when not. Hence by analogy to our contemporary world, if we create non-zero sum material-social playing fields, the religions will naturally (via selection and the evolutionary telos) lead to a more harmonious inter-relationship with one another and with science. The more positive social material playing field being, according to Wright’s reconstruction, cosmopolitan (liberal internationalist) in orientation.
So the work as we can see really is a consequence of these various scientific, political, and philosophical positions Wright holds. My sense is that his view both opens up new ways of seeing and is also quite limited. Taking his view as a final authoritative one would I think be very reductionistic. But taking it on its own terms as one narrative framework, opens up new ways of thinking. Approached in that way, I think it’s a very excellent text.
To unpack some of these various Wrightian positions for a moment. It is ultimately a liberal theological tract. What I mean by that is liberal theology tends to reduce theology, belief, and/or religion to some other process/force that is considered more ultimate. In this case the real God (or god perhaps) of the story is natural selection (Wright calls himself an agnostic). The real revelation is the evolutionary movement towards greater complexity and non-zero sum realities. Religions are instrumental or derivative to that more valued movement. Also as a (liberal) cosmopolitan he can be accused of downplaying the destructiveness of empires–from the ancient ones to today’s globalization, but that’s a whole other discussion for another day.
On the plus side, the work is a very good historical introduction to the various forms of human religious systems from the earliest through to the major monotheistic faiths. It’s a general work, so of course specialists will quibble with points here or there with his reconstruction, but generally it is excellent in this regard. He shows, I think, rather convincingly, that religions can be seen to follow this same basic pattern of complexification: though again it happens in fits and starts. It’s not like a smooth linear line of development.
His reconstruction of the Abrahamic faiths (a term by the way from Islam) is a helpful way of seeing how the religions have developed in response to material, political, and social realities. This is a recommended tonic for religious types who tend to see everything in their religion as an interior-only matter and an unchanging one-time perfectly uniform set of doctrines.
That reconstruction is both its strength and its weakness (by my lights). On the negative side, in the end it’s still a materialistic account which raises the philosophical question of how we can choose to rightly prime our social-material-technological forces to aid non zero sumness when materiality (and therefore functional selection) is the prime mover of events? Is there any free choice in such a scheme? Pushed to its (il?)logical extreme, this view becomes dehumanizing as individuals are just parts in this overall scheme, crushed under the weight of its totality.
Wright I think sits on the fence a little too much on this point. On one hand he does have an epi-phenomenalist side according consciousness something of more serious status than the Pinkers of the world, but yet he still wants to say material forces are the real drivers. So whatever choice we have it seems to me it’s of a degraded, limited value. [Which is more than technically is the case in other accounts whatever practically individuals do differently than their official version of events]. I do however appreciate that Wright still has the voice of the Pinker-esque types in the world on the hard problem of consciousness, whereas someone with my view would never be giving a hearing by self-proclaimed by rationalists.
Have you read it yet?
Would you say it’s on par with Harold Bloom’s _Jesus and Yahweh_ or Karen Armstrong’s _History of God_?
As someone who *LOVED* both of those, I’m intruigued by this one.Report
It’s a really nice complement to both of those, particularly Jesus and YHWH. That book covers the literature of the Bible, whereas this book covers the history and social-political world.Report
So now the more materialist the approach to consciousness the less “seriously” it treats the subject. This from someone who insists atheist scientists interested in engaging religious thinkers bone up on theology to the point where they can satisfy a theology instructor in their formulations of his particular doctrine, no matter how elusive, before attempting to do that. Rich.Report
Michael,
All I mean is that it can’t take the ideas on their own terms. It takes them to be derivative of some other process and therefore of (at best) instrumental value. Now I don’t have a problem with Bob’s book as I said because he is upfront that he is doing that. He’s very conscious of and clear about his own first principles. And he is a scientist who knows theology quite adequately.
But it’s still (imo) one sided. Check the reference list that Jbird gave up for some books that do a good job supplementing the one-sidedness of this text. Just as Evolution of God supplements (arguably) the over-reliance of consciousness studies if you like in the other texts. Putting those three together (Bloom, Armstrong, and Wright) and you get a very good well-rounded whole.Report
Michael,
I can’t remember now if I responded to your last comment in the previous post–about the degree to which the scientific types should read theology. As I recall you thought I was arguing for some expert level knowledge, but that’s not the case. Only a basic facility with the subject. Basically a layperson’s reading knowledge.
As a parallel. I read something like 10-20 popular science texts a year. I’ve read Dennett’s books, all of Dawkins’ books, lots of Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Lewotin’s popular texts, etc. I couldn’t read their more scientific journal article pieces since I don’t have the expertise to handle those debates, just as I don’t expect Richard Dawkins to have a PhD in medieval mysticism and point out the differences between Bernard of Clairvaux’s and The Cloud of Unknowing Author’s views on the will in the mystical ascent.
But he should know the difference between fundamentalism and theological liberalism/modernism as well as postmodern theological currents. He should know something of the history of Christian mystics (since they are very relevant in the science-religion discussions) and what say the sacramental view of the universe is all about.
Again an educated layperson level of knowledge. That should be the expectation on both sides in my mind.Report
Chris,
I actually wouldn’t hold any religious person to any particular level of basic scientific knowledge to enter discussion with them about the interface of science and religion. I’d rather engage them where they are, however inclined they have been or not in educating themselves about science up to that point. In all likelihood, the level of awareness of basic scientific facts of anyone walking down the street who would also be interested in engaging in such a discussion would be more than adequate to address the basic questions, because basic functioning in modern society compels people to develop such familiarity. And if I happened to encounter someone for whom that wasn’t the case, that’s clearly part of the purpose of such discussions to begin with: to help explain one’s worldview to those who don’t share it.
You’re a different case. You obviously have a keen prior interest in this question, so you have read deeply in it. But that is your choice; there is no particular reason that another religious person interested in engaging those who hold the scientific-secular worldview would have to read as much on science as you have chosen to do before they engage (by my lights). Quite apart from necessary preparation for this debate, I suspect the reason you choose to read widely on science is, first of all, a genuine curiosity about the world as science has so far discovered/explained it. But I suspect you’re also aware of the ways science inevitably asserts itself on honest, intelligent observers of all stripes because its relentless methods of confirmation or (really through) rejection of propositions compels them to reckon with it, and you can see clearly that an encounter of some sort is inevitable between the undeniable implications of science and parts of your worldview, and that you, as an honest, intelligent person will have to reckon with that eventually. And so you are left with the alternatives either to broadly if not completely deny the scope of what science explains and how (not an option for an honest, intelligent person), or else engage it head on by immersing yourself in it and seeking reconciliation. Obviously, and with good reason, you choose the latter. It is not a matter of meeting a prerequisite for entering the debate: you by your own choice seek to burnish your knowledge and perspective on these questions, partly (again, I would suspect) because you are compelled by aspects of your worldview and science’s intellectual coherence and cultural currency to reckon with it. The reverse is not true for secular-scientific-minded folks (to be clear: I am not a scientist, merely oriented toward it) with respect to religion. Religion is an exclusively private matter in the pluralistic social arrangement in which we coexist, and it is not in any way pressed upon those uninterested in it. Moreover, while there are certainly multiple perspectives on many questions of research in science, the nature of science is such that those perspectives are constantly in the process of being reconciled or at are at least in mutual conversation such that a general description of the currently accepted view can be described, even if it is a composite one. Religion does not work that way. The religions (more precisely, sects) of the world operate in parallel, with basically no possibility of reaching any kind of broad commonality to rely on that preserves anything like the level of familiarity you are describing for yours in particular. The secular scientist who seeks engagement with religious observers has no way to limit the demands she would face if expected to reach even the level of knowledge you describe with respect to one particular theology for all those whom she might seek to engage.
I realize that to you the concepts you would like the uninitiated to come to the table with represent the most basic of basic points of doctrine necessary to begin discussion, but I would suggest that you are not accounting for your uncommon familiarity with the matters at hand. Allow me to assure you that what you have described above would deter a considerable portion of those open-minded secular people who might otherwise be interested in engaging with you from doing so. I am an atheist today, but I was confirmed in the Lutheran church and have been turned to among some of my friends those who can speak as an pseudo-authority on religious matters when the topic comes up. What you describe above runs well into what I would consider areas of arcana that I would only listen to experts explain to me, not that I would have a chance of grasping through personal research. And let me be clear: if we were to engage in a debate/discussion and you considered these matters essential to my understanding of your view of compatibility or otherwise, I would be all ears to hear it all laid out for me. I don’t want to exclude such concepts from the discussion. I would just expect them to be subjects of the discussion itself, rather than prerequisites for engaging with you. Likewise, I would be prepared to explain any scientific examples important to my view of the question if my interlocutor wasn’t familiar with them. If this wouldn’t work for you, I would simply find someone interested in a more inclusive discussion to engage with.Report
Robert Wright is not a scientist, but rather a journalist who writes on scientific matters with a very particular bent: to show that there is a clear moral directionality in the unfolding of natural and social history. While I don’t have my copy of The Evolution of God yet, my sense is that his lifelong project in that regard is essentially an extremely subtle rear-guard endeavor to excavate a structurally sound conceptual refuge within which to preserve and protect a vestige of the concept of God from the cascading avalanche of contrary evidence and attitude that modern society, science, and modernity itself continuously expose it to. I believe (though I could be mistaken) that he is a still-observant Southern Baptist.Report
It gets even a little more controversial in that Wright is an epiphenomenalist: he gives consciousness a degree of validity but sees it as a by-product “designed” by natural selection
That’s not epiphenomenalism. That is in fact a standard “byproduct” view of the evolution of some trait. Epiphenomenalism is the view that consciousness is a mere side-effect of physical biological processes in the brain, and has no causal role back on the behaviour of the body. It is, as it were, “froth on the water”.Report
I don’t know about that John. If you watch Wright’s interview (on Meaningoflifetv) with Daniel Dennett, Wright clearly believes out of material processes something ‘more’ is going on that needs to be taken seriously. Dennett keeps retorting that there is no more. It’s nothing but the neurons crashing together. I take Dennett’s position to be much more the mainline view and Wright’s the outlier.
But even if we take Wright’s to be a mainline position, then to me it only shows the inconsistency of the approach. If natural selection selects for self-reflective thought and the ability to put oneself imaginatively in the existence of another (a point Wright emphasizes strongly in his book), what is it that has been selected for? What is the quality of self-awareness?Report
Sounds interesting. So I have to add this to Life Inc. as non-fiction I need to read someday hopefully soon….Report