the things people say on the internet
“Since his departure from the Washington Times, Stacy McCain has become perhaps the most skilled attention whore in all the blogosphere. Yeah, I just wrote that. And put it on the Internet.” ~ James Joyner
Now James, being the gentleman that he is, goes easy on McCain:
In seeking to explain why Ken Layne and Andrew Sullivan seem to loathe Sarah Palin and, in particular, make sport of her Down Syndrome suffering infant son, Trig, Stacy puts forth a pop psychology theory in four part harmony involving gay psychology, the fear of spinsterdom, and tips for hunting hillbillies.
Taking Ockham’s Razor (or, in the case of certain residents of West Virginia, Ockham’s Toothbrush) to the problem, however, a simpler explanation arises: They do it for the same reason Stacy writes posts like this one.
Here’s the frustrating thing to me about McCain. He can be a funny guy, with a good sense of humor. He’s obviously a talented writer. It’s just that he says such damn stupid things sometimes, and does it mainly because he’s, as James so eloquently puts it, an attention whore. His dissection of gay culture (and its apparently misogynistic nature) is absurd. I don’t know, but pretty much every gay guy I’ve met has had a veritable harem of girl friends. A lot of girls I know really like hanging out with gay men because it avoids that Harry Met Sally rule that all male/female relationships are inevitably about sex. And I have yet to meet one single gay man who is as misogynistic as many of the straight men I’ve known.
Then again, I’d give people overall the benefit of the doubt here – most men, gay or straight, that I know are not women haters. It is certainly not a defining feature. In fact, none of the gross generalizations Stacy evokes in his post are definitive in any way. That’s the funny thing about people – gay or straight, they’re each unique with a plethora of personal issues that compose their psychology. That’s the problem with psychology in general, but especially this hackish voodoo psychology that Stacy’s pushing.
But I digress. I’m dubious McCain believes half of what he wrote. I think he’s too smart for that. But it did get him lots of links…
So now to the “why” – or rather, the “why do people harp on Palin so much” question. James thinks it’s because of clickthroughs, which makes a lot more sense than the mumbo-jumbo Stacy’s peddling:
First, regardless of intelligence and education, people have prejudices based on their own experience and tend to judge people who don’t conform to their expectations rather harshly. Sarah Palin does not dress, talk, or act like a governor — much less a vice presidential candidate — is supposed to.
Second, saying outrageous things that cultured people aren’t supposed to say out loud is an excellent way of attracting and sustaining attention. Holding forth the view that Sarah Palin chose to carry Trig to term after learning that he had Down Syndrome, just like everyone assumed all along, is not going to get you many clickthroughs.
Then again, for me Palin was more like a wake-up call. I was appalled at the thought of her as Number Two – even more than I’m appalled at the thought of Joe Biden as Number Two. At least old Silvertongue has a few years experience under his belt. At least he can put a few sentences together before he says something stupid. Palin, to me, simply represented (and still represents) everything wrong with the conservative movement – it’s faux-anti-elitism, its disdain for intellectualism and culture, its inability to grapple with new ideas. And saying that isn’t so much to say something outrageous but just to state what I see as the obvious: we need better people than Sarah Palin to spearhead the conservative movement – plain and simple.
There are many smart conservatives out there and they’re going to play an important role, I hope, in restoring fiscal sanity and sober foreign policy to our nation. I hope smart guys like Stacy McCain can realize this and put their efforts behind building a better conservative movement rather than just a louder one. Palin is the “loud” choice, but she’s not the smart choice.
P.S.
Whether Andrew stuck with the story too long is one thing – this is Andrew’s modus operandi if you haven’t noticed yet. He sticks with a story. He runs with it. Just look at the Iranian coverage at the Dish lately. That does not make him a misogynist anymore than saying so makes Stacy the representative of the Joe the Plumbers of the world. Even as a critic of Palin I thought Andrew was over the top at times, but I can see that it was primarily because that’s simply how Andrew blogs, a bit frenetic, a bit obsessive compulsive.
You don’t get it E.D.
Brooks was right, Palin is the cancer that is going to destroy the GOP.
She has blown up the model.
Republicans always led the base by pretending to be noble yeoman farmers, when they were really stealthy elites.
You and I know Jill Sixpack can’t lead the country, but the base believes the myth of the noble yeoman farmer as leader……after all, the GOP has been telling them that for years.
So…GOP RIP.
Game ovah.Report
I disagree matoko. People say that stuff all the time. The GOP has fallen mightily but they’re far from dead. I’ve had some advice similar to yours, trust me, but I just have to beg to disagree. Think of this time not as a burial but as a metamorphosis.Report
Dead.
All you have left are failmemes and they are on life support.
And you will never get the base off the Sarah Palin crack.
Its ovah.
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Yes, Palin was not close to ready for that gig, but, then I don’t know why anyone would want it. But, the over-reaction to Palin is strange. It’s almost like a panic reaction because they’re afraid she will set off some kind of spontaneous support from the hoi polloi, so she must be destroyed. This over-reaction helps Palin more than it hurts her, because there are millions of people who will react to what they see as unfair, making her a sympathetic figure to the common folk.
As for McCain, he’s building a rep by being controversial. He’s a good marketer and rabble-rouser, although not much of a philosopher pundit.Report
Yep. He’s a swashbuckler. Right now the movement has lots of swashbucklers and rabble-rousers, but what it does not have are great communicators or diplomats to the center.Report
Screw the center. It’s full of people who want healthcare paid for by angels and expect their house’s value to skyrocket till the end of time. The center is wrong.Report
“This over-reaction helps Palin more than it hurts her, because there are millions of people who will react to what they see as unfair, making her a sympathetic figure to the common folk.”
Hmmm…..IIRC, Hillary Clinton was never so popular as when she was being attacked most publicly. This sounds like the same phenomenon.Report
Mike, BRILLIANT, BINGO, …If SP’s such a zit why are these Social-Dems spending sooooo much time peeing on her parade?
Also, beloved desert flower MC, sweetie, when I was your age I thought I’d never see anything but a bunch of cigar smoking, war mongering, tax hiking Democrats in power…and that went in the crapper, and trust me, under The Most Merciful, it’s goin’ back in! But don’t worry be happy, Jesus loves you!Report
Palin is just an ideologically frail neocon with evangelical bonafides. Whether or not liberals are haranguing her is beside the point.Report
Besides your well made point, perhaps, but it’s a valid separate point. Sarah Palin was the vice-presidential candidate on a ticket that was the most guaranteed to lose ticket since McGovern.
Her presence, her lack of qualifications, her statements were all irrelevant by September 28th. Yet the nation’s discussion of/obsession with Governor Palin continues. I think it’s a valid question why there seems to be far more liberal outrage and disgust with Sarah Palin than with say the Burmese military junta?
Finally, I think our collective national reaction to her has been an incredibly vivid and telling example of how severe class/cultural divisions in this country are today.Report
we don’t have any control over the junta….unless you think we should bomb them?Report
Well, I like the ring of that E.D., but what if she has a ‘come to Jesus’ moment?Report
” It’s almost like a panic reaction because they’re afraid she will set off some kind of spontaneous support from the hoi polloi, so she must be destroyed. This over-reaction helps Palin more than it hurts her”
I’ve always thought this line of reasoning was just wishful thinking.
She was strongly opposed because she was an atrocious joke of a candidate. And despite (or IMO, because of) fierce criticisms, her poll numbers tanked and McCain lost the election.Report
Dude. The Democrats would have needed to run Mitt Romney to lose against John McCain/Anyfriggin’body in 2008.Report
She drew far more people than she repelled. Many Americans do not like Sentators and do like people who want government to get out of the way.Report
Nope mike.
My initial reaction.
My demographic? We have always thought Palin was a joke.
When people persist in declaiming her manifest glories, we lose patience, and just tell them what we really think.
She is a retard.
And we mean that in the Urban Dictionary sense of course.Report
“I’ve always thought this line of reasoning was just wishful thinking.”
I hope this is not a sly way of suggesting I support her. I don’t have the strong reaction against that the liberals and moderates do, but I don’t support any Republicans who maintain the interventionist/nationalistic mindset that I believe she embraces. However, if she grew in her political philosophy and began taking a more libertarian stance, I could take a second look. Many of her ideas which pertain to classic liberalism are in line with the way I think, but she still lacks that well-rounded understanding of the issues and relies on the prefab conservatism John Schwenkler was talking about.Report
Sarah Palin lacks a well-rounded understanding of the issues because she doesn’t have a political philosophy. She has only an naked ambition for power, and will essentially espouse whatever she thinks is best suited to achieve it.
Just look at the Bridge to Nowhere debacle. She publicly supported building the bridge, used it as a plank in her gubernatorial platform and made a campaign appearance in Ketchikan posing with a “Nowhere, Alaska” T-shirt
Then, as soon as it became apparent that she could have national play, she turned on the bridge, removed it from the budget citing “inaccurate portrayals” in the media — and then, as VP candidate, tried to take credit for killing it to bolster her budget-hawk credentials!
Sarah Palin’s approval rating in Alaska is down to 54%. Right now, she has as much national political future as the Governator — which is to say, none at all.Report
Oh, you mean she is politically dishonest like Obama. Well, she doesn’t have a chance, thenReport
I really would like to see leaders (and anyone discussing the issues) on both sides start talking in authenic language which is not so dependent on cliches.Report
I’ll never forgive Sarah Palin for her “real America” remarks. Maybe that makes me an unforgiving, uncharitable goat of a man, but that’s how it goes.Report
Where is this huge liberal focus on her? I must have missed it over the last few months. Andrew Sullivan, an idiosyncratic conservative, talks about her most.Report
What planet do you live on?Report
Oh, I see you qualified that with the “last 2 months” LOL — where did that timeframe come from?Report
The election has been over for a while. Liberals are not focusing on her. The media has a hard on for her as do many republicans.Report
. “The media has a hard on for her ”
That’s what I said — the liberal over-reaction.Report
oh sorry i forgot your conservative religious beliefs taht the media,except for the stuff you like, is completely liberal.Report
You didn’t forget your tendency to assume everyone who disagrees with you is conservative and religious — I’m neither. Again, what planet?Report
The media isn’t liberal? Are you retarded? The MSM is ridiculously liberal.Report
I just love it when people start wielding the “are you retarded?” axe. But in all fairness, the media may be a little more liberal than it is conservative – but it is mainly pro-business and pro-consumerism which is really a bi-partisan affair. And yes, pro-sensationalism especially. So it doesn’t really matter if it’s conservative or liberal. I don’t think the one truly conservative media outlet – Fox – is doing much good for conservatives. It’s doing a lot more good for sensationalism.Report
It’s of course other things besides liberal, but it is far more conservative than liberal (with Fox being a larger exception). This is fairly easy to spot as a libertarian.
Just look at the stem cell funding reporting. It was awful and there was a complete lack of context that plenty of private research was taking place without government funding.Report
He can’t put on his pants without saying something stupid.Report
“I really would like to see leaders (and anyone discussing the issues) on both sides start talking in authenic language which is not so dependent on cliches.”
I doubt I’ll ever forget watching those in attendance at the Republican Convention cheering “Drill, Baby, Drill.” I share your hope, Mike, but I don’t think the day when this sort of jingoism is expunged from the current political discourse.Report
I believe you’re right.Report
P.S. I meant to say that the day isn’t coming anytime soon.Report
I’m sorry, but the people saying “this helps Palin” are trading in irrelevancies. Look at the polling numbers from the end of the campaign or since: Sarah Palin is an extremely unpopular politician on a national level. Extremely. She is not now and has never represented any kind of a national political threat. And why? Because she appeals to a thin slice of the electorate that demographics are making thinner and thinner by the day. Too many comments playing by the last generation of politics rules.Report
Freddie, I haven’t seen any poll numbers, but I was saying if this attack continues, it could wind up helping her. Do you have any recent poll numbers?Report
See matoko’s comment below.Report
I saw it. So I guess what you’re saying is that she’s polarizing. But my point was that she might become more popular with the Republican base if they begin thinking she is being attacked unfairly — the poll seems to suggest she’s popular with the Republican base — right?.Report
she is already maxed out with the base.
the poll is showing her support has crystallized, hardened.Report
I happened to stop by Sully’s and he’s talking about her again.
It’s… it’s odd. You gotta admit: It’s odd.Report
Well Jaybird….shez running.
That is why ppl are talking about her.
She has to run in 2012…she will be post-menopausal if she waits until 2016.
Survival of the Prettiest doesn’t work without the fertile factor.Report
AND….Palin blew up the myth that a non-elite could lead.
Team McCain thought they could groom her into another stealth elite….FAIL.
She is going to get the nom, and she will lose.
But the base is already tightbeamed onto the anti-elite mantra. So they won’t be spoofed anymore….they are going to insist on the “realdeal” from here on in.
A viable political party cannot survive without elites.
That is why I think the GOP is doomed.Report
It isn’t, actually, because she continues to run a daily media campaign. She and her handlers put her out there on every issue, doing media and making statements constantly. If a sitting governor wants to retreat from the national political scene, they have every ability to do so. She has decided to remain in the public eye, to an absurd degree, and as it is the responsibility of the members of a democratic society to critique the politics of political leaders, I can’t understand how anyone can say that she should be off limits.Report
I’m not saying that she should be “off limits”, Freddie.
I’m more looking at the nature and force of his criticisms of her and seeing them as… odd.
This is not my questioning his “right” to talk about her (or whatever he wants). This is not even a defense of her, her gender, her body parts, or her children.
I could get each one of his (multiple!) posts about her from the last 24 hours and break each down (amateur psychotherapy!) and talk about how his… let’s call it “focus”… on Palin is odd and then we could hammer that out… and then you could explain how, no, she’s in the public eye and, as such, discussing theories of Trig’s true origins (SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!) are not odd at all.
If you’d be up for that, of course.Report
Yes, I too believe anyone has a right to slam her and accuse her of anything they want to accuse her of, but it’s going to look strange if it’s excessive, over-the-top and full of crazy venom.Report
The stuff about “she goes to a church where folks speak in tongues!!!” thing strikes me as fair… or, at least, as fair as questioning Romney’s, ahem, offshoot.
The gender-based stuff was… well, it was odd.Report
It is not odd.
From schmuckler’s thread–
Look, Schmuckler (lol).
The reason this story persists is a question of temperment.
Sure, Sully got spoofed by by Palin concealing her pregnancy for 7 months.
He should climb down from the who-is-Trig’s mom thing.
But the important part is how Palin reacted, which is a template for how she might react to say, a threat of global-thermonuclear war.
How could Palin have defused this situ?
By opening her medical records, of course.
Why didn’t she?
Well….perhaps Sully is correct and there is something in there that won’t bear public scrutiny from her fanbase.
The question I think SHOULD be asked, is…. why did she drive from Anchorage to Wasilla. The answer to that question would be informative for modelling Palin’s reasoning process in a crisis situ.
The answer is not..”so Trig would be born in Alaska”….Anchorage is in Alaska. Anchorage has better facilities for a special needs child.
So why?
There may be a reasonable answer, but Sully is correct that Palin did not act in a responsible or reasonable manner in this instance.
She could just answer that one question for meh….why drive to Wasilla from Anchorage, in labor with a special needs child, leaking amniotic fluid?
If the answer is…that Palin was distracted by her pregnancy and not thinking rationally….then should she have her tubes tied before running for national office?
Seriously.
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I’m not down with the whole “I have a list of the reproductive choices women should, and should not, make!!!” thing, myself.Report
okfine, JB. I believe in reproductive freedom, myself.
All Palin has to do come up with a reasonable, rational explanation of why she drove that extra 45 minutes to an inferior hospital while leaking amniotic fluid and in labor with a special needs child.
😉
Let her answer the question then.
I don’t think she can.Report
“She has decided to remain in the public eye, to an absurd degree…”
I’ve little doubt that this is correct. On the other hand, I have even less doubt that the way to respond to her decision is to, in fact, grant her wish. There is no such thing as bad publicity, etc., etc.
It’s one thing to criticize her positions, arguments, etc. It’s quite another to go after her character – at this point, just about everyone has made a decision about what they think of her as a person, and going after her character only makes people who have problems with her politically and stylistically but not more than that have sympathy for her.Report
Bad publicity = Mark Sanford, otherwise I think you’re 100% right here, Mark.Report
sowwy, her character and temperament, and her judgement and decisionmaking and problemsolving abilities ARE relevent to the position she is applying for.
so far she is 0 for 5 in my estimation.Report
Poll data.
“Another tidbit from Pew’s findings: public impressions of Palin haven’t changed much since October, with her total favorability climbing three percent since then, compared to 10 percent for Romney since Feb. 2008. Those time periods are far different, but the way Pew presents it, Palin’s public image has crystallized in a polarizing fashion, and the public has more or less made up their minds about her, one way or the other.”Report
Romney/Palin wouldn’t be the worst ticket. A businessman and a semi-libertarian governor.Report
Loozer ticket.
Palin/Jindal– the exorcism ticket
Palin/Cryogenically Preserved Head of Jerry Fallwell– evangelical ticket
Palin/Chuck Norris– roundhouse kick to the face ticketReport
“Romney/Palin wouldn’t be the worst ticket.”
I know what you mean. No. Wait. What!?Report
Anything with Huckabee would be worse. Anything with McCain would be worse. Anything I’ve heard seriously mentioned has been worse.
At least with Romeny/Palin you could look for lower taxes and protection of gun rights. These days I would be happy with both of those.Report
Palin/Romney would be worse.Report
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