A Risk Manager’s Take on the Richie Incognito Scandal
Carlos Danger. No, Richie Incognito is the highly improbable name of the NFL offensive linesman suspended yesterday by the Miami Dolphins. If you haven’t yet heard the story, here is a quick synopsis:
Over the past two days I’ve gotten a few emails from readers asking me to put on my risk management hat and weigh in on the Richie Incognito case. Those readers who don’t watch ESPN or listen to sports talk-radio will be surprised to learn that Richie Incognito is not, in fact, the super-villain arch-nemesis ofLast week Jonathan Martin, a teammate and fellow linesman of Incognito’s, left the Dolphins without warning or official explanation. Sources said that Martin, who has suffered from depression in the past, left the team for “emotional reasons” — a highly unusual circumstance in professional sports. He has subsequently been placed on the Dolphin’s injured reserved list. This week, it came out that Martin had been the focus of abuse from Incognito. Most of this abuse came about in Martin’s rookie year, and apparently included insults, physical intimidation, and having Martin pick up the tab for expensive meals and beverages ordered by team veterans. (And by expensive, I mean NFL salary expensive; the one meal tab cited by sources was over $15,000.) However, it appears that Incognito’s abuse of Martin has continued past his rookie season.
The Dolphins suspended Incognito indefinitely yesterday, saying that such behavior could not be tolerated. They also released this transcript of a voice message that Incognito (who is white) left for Martin (who is African American) on Martin’s phone last spring:
“Hey, wassup, you half-nigger piece of shit. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] shit in your fucking mouth. [I’m going to] slap your fucking mouth. [I’m going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. Fuck you, you’re still a rookie. I’ll kill you.”
By most accounts, most of this is part of the NFL’s rookie-hazing culture. Some NFL talking heads, such as Indianapolis Colts ex-coach Tony Dungy and ex-general manager Bill Polian, have been quick to go on air and declare themselves shocked — shocked! — at Incognito’s actions. But there also seem to be a hell of a lot of insiders just as quick to say Incognito’s actions were actually pretty routine, and to lay the brouhaha blame at the feet of Jonathan Martin.
One of those insiders that blames Martin is Jason Scukanek, an ex-NFL linesman and current sports talk radio host here in Portland, Oregon.[1] I heard a brief interview of Scukanek on Monday on the Travis & Wilcox Show, the program that precedes Scukanek’s own on his station. In the interview, he used his own experience with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to illustrate the relative banality of Incognito’s behavior. When he was first hired by Tampa Bay, says Scukanek, he replaced an offensive linesman that was well liked by the rest of the line. To make matters worse, he was a white, long-haired Mormon boy replacing an African American in an entire line of African Americans; the language his teammates used was far worse than what was recorded on Martin’s voicemail. His teammates resented him for being hired, for being new, and for being different, and the abuse they layered onto him was both intense and relentless. So much so that Scukanek was forced into actual fistfights with his teammates on a daily basis. When I was listening to the story, I kept waiting for the part where they all eventually became bffs, but that part never came. As best as I can tell, being physically and emotionally assaulted on a regular basis was simply the cost of doing business with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
It is interesting then, to see Scukanek come down so hard on Jonathan Martin. “Martin needs to put on his big-boy pants,” the ex-linesman said repeatedly. In his mind, Martin’s refusal to turn the other check — and worse, to take the antics public — show up on Scukanek’s radar as being both immature and unprofessional. He states rather strongly that if you take away that kind of behavior, the NFL will be a different product entirely – one that fans will have no desire to watch. Travis Demers and Josh Wilcox, the sports hosts interviewing Scukanek, agreed with this assessment. Looking around the internet’s sport sites this morning, it appears most everyone else does too. “Stop the hazing and you ruin the game” is the new football fan mantra.
I’ll get into the legalities in a moment, but let me first stop to wonder at this: In the NFL, beating up your coworkers, harassing them at home, using racial slurs and just generally abusing who you can because you can is apparently a sign of both maturity and professionalism. And objecting to that kind of treatment to the point that you decide it’s just not worth it is a sign of immaturity and lack of professionalism, or– in Martin’s case — proof of mental illness. Seriously, how weird is that?
But I digress…
There are really two risk management questions at the heart of the Martin-Incognito mini-scandal: Can the NFL legally allow its players to harass one another when its culture demands it, and would changing that culture result in the death of the NFL, as Scukanek, Demurs, Wilcox and so many others vehemently insist?
The first question is easy to answer. You cannot legally allow an employee to abuse and or harass another employee. Period. What’s more, contrary to what a lot of Incognito supporters say, the fact that you have a long-standing culture that allows it doesn’t make it more legal — in fact it actually makes the NFL more liable. And make no mistake; the NFL is absolutely liable should Martin decide to take legal action.
Workplace harassment laws are pretty clear that it is the employers’ responsibility to make sure that an employee does not suffer from said harassment as part of his or her job. In most cases, employers are simply required to investigate the validity of an employee’s harassment claim and take appropriate actions. To be fair, this seems to be what the NFL and the Dolphins are currently doing with Martin and Incognito. However, in extreme circumstances an employer can be held liable if it can be shown they should have reasonably been aware that harassment was ongoing and did nothing, either due to negligence or tacit approval. In these cases, waiting until you’re concerned a lawsuit might be coming to take action is actually something of a strike against you; this certainly seems to be the case with both the Dolphins and the NFL.
So there is little question that the NFL is liable. However, in order for those liabilities to be realized someone will have to make a claim against the league, and therein lies the rub. The very culture that makes the NFL financially vulnerable is exactly what has protected it from suits over time. Most employees actually like the culture, and don’t wish to see it changed. Those that do object privately face the prospect of being unemployable in the League should they speak up. Jonathan Martin may decide to buck this trend and sue, but if he doesn’t there really will be no incentive for the League to make any substantial changes. The NFL’s ongoing harassment situation is similar to the ongoing sexual harassment situation in academia and the media industry: it’s pretty universal, everyone absolutely knows about it, and the threat of universal and permanent professional exile keeps anyone from doing very much about it.
This brings us to the second and more important question raised by the Martin-Incognito scandal: would changing the culture of harassment really be the death of the NFL? The answer to this question is not quite so clear cut, and before I attempt to answer it I need to be very upfront here: I myself have never played even high school football, let alone college or pro. My firsthand knowledge of what goes on in a football locker room is basically butkus. (Get it?)
That being said, I think it instructive to go back and look at other industries where harassment cultures have been changed. Pick any at random – law, medicine, manufacturing, whatever – and you’ll find that the exact same objections proffered by NFL culture supporters were used as a reason not to change the culture in those other industries. Yet in every industry where the threat of realized lawsuits forced changes in a pro-harassment cultural, those industries did just fine. Indeed, the transitions for each were mostly notable for how uneventful they ended up being. I’m unsure why football would be any different. We tend to think of the NFL as being a big frat house of boys playing games for money, but it’s actually a business staffed by adults. It’s telling, I think, that when Jason Scukanek and others say that taking away the “right” of an employee to leave racial slurs on another employee’s phone will negatively affect that employee’s ability to play well on Sunday, they never bother to explain why. It is, I suspect, one of those truths of culture that has been repeated so often that no one bothers to stop and ask themselves how it could possibly be true.
And for those that say that football is just fundamentally different from other workplaces, I would point out that the history of the NFL is filled with forced cultural changes that traditionalists swore would ruin and bankrupt the game. When I was a young man, for example, there were almost no black quarterbacks, and one of the reasons given was that starting an African American at that position would destroy the locker room culture and ruin the game for fans. Similar arguments were made around the same time about allowing women reporters to cover the sport. In my father’s time those arguments were made about allowing non-white players to play at all. Instant replay, rules protecting the quarterback, rules protecting defenseless receivers, outlawing a player using a helmet as a weapon, the list of changes that would “ruin the sport and ensure no one would ever watch it” goes on and on. In each case, the NFL has thrived.
Regardless of what Scukanek thinks, I find the notion that fans are going to hear that NFL players are no longer allowed to make harassing phone calls to their team mate’s homes and decide that they’re finished watching professional football highly dubious. And though he would know better than I, history suggests it unlikely that NFL player’s are going to miss tackles on Monday night because they was told not to make such a phone call. Professionals in any industry are remarkably resilient. In every other industry, people always show that they can adapt; to suggest that NFL players can’t is an insult to NFL players’ maturity and professionalism.
At the end of the day, there’s really one question that the NFL should be asking itself now that their dirty laundry is temporarily laid out for the world to see: Do we really want to change?
Should Martin decide to forgo a lawsuit, it will be interesting to see how they answer.
[1] Full disclosure: I am a huge Jason Scukanek fan. In an industry overly populated with over-the-top, hyperbolic narcissists, Scukanek and his co-anchor Isaac Ropp regularly broadcast calm, insightful and entertaining sports commentary. If anything, he’s the very antithesis of a shock-jock radio host, which I believe makes his comments on the subject all the more intriguing.
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I’m going to hold off on making an in-depth comment, but in regards to the question, will the NFL turn soft without hazing, I’ll just drop a link to this comparing the NFL’s (lack of) action on hazing to the action of the Marines: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/11/5/5065834/jonathan-martin-richie-incognito-dolphins-rookie-hazing.Report
My problem with Ufford’s analogy is that there is a far different sociological and ethical dynamic going on between, on the one hand, a large group of 18-20 year old men (and women) who largely haven’t been out in ‘the real world’ and have at best been ‘average’ (at worst, marginalized) during most of their upbringing, and on the other hand, a much smaller group of 22-24 year old men (and only men) making at least 10 times as much money and have always been (often literally) the big man on campus.Report
Nice link, Jonathan.Report
Richie Incognito is the highly improbable name
I assumed Richie was related to Guy.Report
I assumed he was related to Carlos Danger
Turns out Incognito’s improbable alter ego is: Mariano MenaceReport
Disclaimer: I’ve never been good at sports or really interested in sports. I love the fact that my alma mater was a Division III school with no football team. We also did not have a Greek system and parties were dorm affairs but anyone could come. The biggest dance at my school was called the Homo Hop.*
It seems to me that the comparison to the Marines were apt. Professional sports are our version of gladatorial combat and this is probably most true in Football and Hockey which have violent elements built into the game (along with MMA and Boxing of course.) There are fights in baseball and basketball but many to most basketball and baseball games can happen without a punch being thrown. A lot of fans seem to have a vested interest in the “manliness” of football. I’ve known people to unironically think that the game was better when players did not wear protective gear or the gear was a simple leather helmet. Modern equipment is too safety oriented for their minds and this feminizes the game.
What does hazing represent in these cultures/groups? My guess (and I’m not a psychologist) is that it is a form of dues-paying plus a bit of “this was done to me and I will do it to you” and general inertia. No one likes the idea of unearned success even in industries with less overt hazzing.
A lot of people hate on Lena Dunham because they think her success is largely or partially because her parents (especially her mom) are famous downtown NYC artists. Lena Dunham is talented but I would bet some powerful people in movies and TV collect art by her mom and this helped her career. How many young women are just as talented as Lena Dunham but wasting away in dead-end jobs and can’t catch a break because their parents were accounts from South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, etc? Probably a lot.
Another example is the actress Amanda Peet. Her acting career was middling but her husband produces Game of Thrones and she decided to write a play. The play is or is about to be produced by the Manhattan Theatre Club, the top non-profit theatre in NYC. Most playwrights don’t get their debut at MTC. I know a lot of people fumming about this even if they admit that Amanda Peet probably wrote a decent play.Report
Hey! Something about popular culture we can agree on!
I assume this is what most people mean when they use the phrase “character-building”Report
There is a long literature on the social and organizational functions of hazing:
http://www.aldocimino.com/cimino_2011.pdf
There are several complex reasons for the existence of hazing, but one of the most well studied is the idea that requiring suffering of people seeking to become full members of a group both prevents the less motivated or those who only seek to take advantage of the group from even bothering to try, and it causes those who do enter to have stronger ties to the group because they suffered to get there. In fact, that second one is one of the classic findings in the literature on cognitive dissonance.Report
I thought the objection is that more padding encourages people to take more stupid risks with their own and others’ bodies. i.e. it was safer when you did not wear full body armour.Report
If my client were, say, a pharmacist. And that pharmacist got hired on to work at a franchisee of RXPlus! Pharmacy. And a more senior pharmacist at RXPlus! Pharmacy, one time and one time only, ten weeks into his training into the workforce, called my client at home and left a voice mail message that said:
…I’d be jumping out of my skin waiting to get through the administrative hoops necessary to file a racial harassment lawsuit as soon as I possibly could.
If it also turned out that there was a culture of this sort of thing happening, all the time, to newly-hired pharmacists, and that RXPlus! Pharmacy knew or should have known about this sort of thing and did nothing meaningful to prevent it, I’d make it a point to tell the other lawyer from the outset, “Dude, I do NOT intend to settle this case, like, at all, so if you’re not going to put something really damn good on the table by way of a settlement, let’s just dispense with that talk right away. When can I depose your human resources director?” Because that’s pretty much a perfect case.
Why should an NFL player making the league minimum his rookie year be treated any differently than the junior pharmacist? Why shouldn’t the NFL have to fear workplace harassment lawsuits, the way a pharmacy does?Report
An excellent question, Burt. The obvious immediate answer, of course, is “culture.” But that just brings up a bunch of questions “why” questions about the culture that are just as hard to figure out. It’s not like most of these guys make enough money to keep them in wealth for more than a few years, and many of them walk away with chronic medical issues for their trouble.
Since I wrote this, it has come to my attention that it’s now being revealed that Incognito was actually acting on instructions from management with is harassment of Martin.Report
Tod,
By this logic, is ANY type of “hazing” acceptable? Making the rookies sing in the cafeteria, carry pads, etc? What if these were written out as professional duties and responsibilities? Does that change it?
Can hazing exist that isn’t harassment?Report
Sure, and in fact it happens a lot in the corporate world. Entry level employees who get their first promotion in a white collar job, for example, are usually expected to buy a round for their peers. And pranks are pretty common in any industry.
In order to qualify for harassment, an activity needs to meet three criteria:
1. The behavior has to be unwelcome.
2. The behavior has to be what a reasonable person would consider harassment.
3. It must be reasonable that a person would feel offended, intimidated or threatened by the behavior.
In a whole lot of cases that get to court (the vast majority are either dismissed or settled), “reasonable” is the point of contention.
But none of the behaviors I have seen described by any of the people involved would be seriously considered “non-reasonable” in court, I would think.Report
Kazzy,
Why is there any need for hazzing?Report
I sort of figured as much, but you are the expert. The “unwelcome” part is tricky, because the NFL could claim that what they do isn’t “unwelcome” because the vast majority of the people suffering the abuse accept it as part of the gig. Obviously, Martin is not among them. How does on establish that the behavior was “unwelcome”? Can the employer point to a delay between the act and the complaint as evidence of it being accepted? Common sense would tell me know, given the complexities of logging complaints in most workplaces.Report
@newdealer
I don’t think there is any “need” for hazing, though I’m sure there are some folks who do. Part of the difficulty is that terms like “hazing” and “bullying” are rife for abuse… by both sides.
For instance, at my school, we have a certain evening event in which teachers are assigned roles. Some roles are much more desirable than others. It is common practice to give some of the worse roles to the newbies, usually with a joke made about “earning their stripes”. This could probably fit someone’s definition of hazing. But I struggle to think that putting someone in charge of the square dancing room instead of the ice cream sundae room qualifies as harassment.Report
t. The “unwelcome” part is tricky, because the NFL could claim that what they do isn’t “unwelcome” because the vast majority of the people suffering the abuse accept it as part of the gig
IIRC, “unwelcome” is defined by the harassee — not the harasser. So it really doesn’t matter what the NFL thinks on that point.
Reasonable is the turning point for a lot of this because the opinions of both sides (and society) get to weigh in.
Which is why, as noted, “getting stuck working the crap job” is not considered harassment insofar as the ‘crap job’ is an actual “job” and thus you getting assigned to it doesn’t constitute being ‘unreasonable’ — somebody has to do the job. Worth quitting over, perhaps — but not illegal or lawsuit material.
However, racial harassment and death threats? Not reasonable anywhere, under any circumstances outside of “Required to play the part of ‘harassed employee #2 in a film”. 🙂Report
@kazzy
There is a very big difference between rookies getting less than plum assignments and harassment. Entry-level employees do the less desirable but still necessary work. This is true of new lawyers and true of everyone else.
A senior partner might be able to say “I need you to stay late” when the entry-level employee had night plans. They are not able to call the entry level employee up and use racial insults or any other insult really.Report
@newdealer
Thanks. And just to be 100% clear, I am appalled by what Incognito was doing to Martin and not just because of the blatant racism. Just want to point that out, lest my “jock” reputation precede me and it be assumed I am defending this behavior. Rather, I am just trying to understand where/how we ought to draw a line, since lines are exactly what are needed to avoid future such instances of this behavior.
What really troubles me is the myopic view that “football culture” has in terms of what constitutes toughness… or strength… or manliness. Nothing about what Incognito does says “toughness” to me. It says “asshole”. Martin? He’s the tough one… he weathered the storm, restrained whatever anger or frustrating I’m sure was boiling up inside him… and sought proper outlets and support when he felt it necessary. Yet it is he the one who the NFL labels “soft”.Report
And reading things like this:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9937464/miami-dolphins-players-support-richie-incognito
…make me want to vomit.Report
Fortunately, it’s a short-term problem: 20 years from now none of them will remember any of it.Report
Legally that is a very interesting question. My guy feeling is that there should not be a difference and the NFL and Dolphins should be liable.
My other gut feeling is that this puts me in the minority view for some reason and most people will have the gut feeling that the NFL is different. Probably because of Tod’s mention of culture including the tough-guy, warrior nature of Football as a sport.Report
@newdealer
I, too, am pulled two ways on this (although I don’t have much legal knowledge). I also share your view of/attitude toward professional sports.
I don’t think the fact that other “cultural” changes have been imposed on football without killing the sport means that combating the hypermasculine hazing culture won’t change it. (Even so, there ought to be a line somewhere, somehow.) I’m not sure it’d be a bad thing to change this aspect of pro football, but then I would say that, because I’m not a fan.
In answer to your question of Kazzy–“is hazing necessary”–I’d speculate that something like hazing probably has a function in most workplace cultures and that this function is arguably necessary. That doesn’t mean it needs to go to racism or to threats of violence, or anything Richie Incognito did (by the way….I first heard of this yesterday, and I thought “Richie Incognito” was the anonymous name the guy used on twitter or something). But I do think there can be a dues paying stage in any work or professional environment. I’m thinking, however more along the lines of your example of a newbie having to work late, or the ritual where a grad student has to sit before 5 professors and “defend” a manuscript that they might or might not have actually read.Report
I think that most people would say the NFL is different are the same people would see it more like the marines, fraternities, or other groups where some sort of physical toughness and stoicism is highly prized. I’m pretty sure that industries like finance, where a different type of machismo thrives, also have their own form of boisterousness.
Lots of people do not necessarily prize gentleness, especially in men. They live on this sort of boisterious toughness and machismo that hazing is part of. Its pretty contrary to Jewish culture, so I’m not surprised that you don’t find it acceptable at all.Report
Lee,
maybe your Jewish culture. Not mine.
My dad used to go to school having to hide
his bruises, after his dad beat him up for
getting bad grades.Report
@leeesq
I would contend that there are still healthy ways for ultramacho industries to haze. Make the rookies carry the bags or the pads… acts of physicality that don’t cross over into abuse or harassment. Make them do the Oklahoma drill against the baddest mo’fo on the team. In other words, do the sorts of things that can positively impact what happens between the lines.Report
Kazzy,
do you think hazing is a good thing?
I see far more to argue for brainwashing (military style) than for hazing…
Brainwashing at least is to say “you’re all in this together, now act like a unit.”
Hazing seems prone to abuse, and to differentiate the newbs.Report
Kim,
I think it depends on how we define hazing. Having the rookies stand up and sing at lunch so everyone has a good chuckle and they can show they’re a good sport? I think that can be valuable. And if you want to call that hazing, I’d say that particular form of hazing is a good thing.
If we define hazing in such a way that it is limited to abuse or harassment… well, no, it is by definition a bad thing.Report
@burt-likko
What are the chances that Martin has a binding arbitration clause in his contract and how would you get around that if he came to your office?Report
There was an article on ESPN that discussed this. If I remember/understood it correctly, it said that given the nature of the abuse, the NFL or team couldn’t hide behind the CBA. It is possible that the writer knew details of the CBA as to why this was the case rather than a general rule.Report
As @kazzy said, I’d first look for a superseding agreement, and after that I’d look to see if the arbitration agreement complied with Armindariz or whatever its equivalent was in the applicable state (Florida, in this case). And if I couldn’t get out of it, then I suppose I’d have do the case through arbitration. But I’d so much rather do it in front of a jury.Report
Well, you can pretty much rest assured that the CBA is compliant with applicable arbitration agreement rules – it’s as far from a contract of adhesion as you can reasonably expect to find. But my sense is that the CBA probably doesn’t cover this type of harassment, which really doesn’t implicate labor issues (as opposed to employment law issues). To the extent that Martin is deprived of game checks without his consent, the CBA would be triggered, but it’s doubtful to me that the CBA would cover employer liability in a Title VII harassment case that seeks primarily emotional distress and/or punitive damages, and as far as I’m aware, the Dolphins (as horrible an organization as they increasingly seem) don’t seem to be trying to screw him on his game checks.
The CBA, as I understand, also has significantly more limited arbitration clauses than an average employment agreement, which is one reason why the NFL was forced to negotiate in the concussion class actions (because of the Concepcion decision, class relief is almost never available in arbitration).Report
Here is the article I mentioned: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9932264/florida-law-provide-big-payday-jonathan-martin-sue-miami-dolphins-richie-incognitoReport
Burt – your analogy is great, but for a reason that may be overlooked in most of the discussion of this issue. Your facts appear to assume that issues of race are involved, which would distinguish it from the general situation of an NFL locker room in which, apparently, younger players are hazed on principle and without any necessary discriminatory intent or effect. But isn’t the racial component of the Incognito/Martin affair exactly what creates a legal problem for the NFL? I am not an expert in these matters, but “harassment” in the workplace requires an element of discrimination (involving some protected class) in order to be actionable. Wouldn’t the situation be entirely different if Martin and Incognito were both white, and the offending voicemail were wholly devoid of racial references? That isn’t to say the conduct would not be “wrong” in some broader sense, but I’m not sure if there would be the potential for legal liability.Report
If Incognito had found some race-neutral way of hazing Martin, maybe it wouldn’t be a Title VII case.
But there was race involved: Incognito’s opening play was “[Y]ou half-nigger piece of shit.” He’s put his own head in the noose. That was the hard part.
Then, “…shit in your fucking mouth … slap your fucking mouth .. I’ll kill you.” Thanks for pulling it on real snug there by linking the victim’s race and a threat of violence. Step on over here into this little square, would you?
Then, “I only did it because management asked me to.” Oh, look. You’re a few inches taller now.Report
A recent report indicates that Incognito was told by a Dolphins coach (either HC Philbin or his position coach) to “toughen Martin up”. While such a vague phrase leaves room for interpretation, if that indeed proves to be the case, it seems to put the Dolphins and/or NFL even more in the cross-hairs.
Also, FWIW, Jason Scukanec’s story doesn’t quite pan out. It appears he was on the practice squad for the Bucs during the ’02 season and was in training camp before the ’03 season. Both squads featured white OL. So unless he was referring only to players on the practice squad (which I can’t find data on), it seems there is at least some embellishment going on, which makes it hard to take his opinion seriously.
Most importantly, thanks for (yet another) great piece.Report
My firsthand knowledge of what goes on in a football locker room is basically butkus. (Get it?)
In other words, you don’t know dick.Report
True story: in the first draft of this, I went with a full “I don’t know dick and I don’t know Butkus” line, followed by an apology for stepping on Mike Schilling’s territory.Report
“I do not know Jack and I blame it on del Rio”.Report
Next question… From what I read, the kinds of things that players on the opposing team yell at you are much worse than what Incognito left in the recording. In your opinion, is that also illegal under current law?Report
Do players actually yell racial slurs during games? I would have bet that that’s something the NFL would not tolerate (that is, in public).Report
Not to mention that yelling “I’m going to kick your ass.” at an opponent in a game is far different than yelling “I’m going to kick your ass.” at a co-worker outside of the workplace.Report
Didn’t Bil Romanowski get in trouble for something like that?
Every now and then you’ll see a player go off the rails unexpectedly and, when questioned, he’ll say that an opposing player used a racial epithet. So, I’m sure it happens, but not with any kind of regularity.Report
A dear friend of mine who was an offensive lineman back when he played football said that the best way to get a false start call against the defense was spitting. The refs never see it and it’s a great way to get the other guy to charge you.
As such, I’m sure that *SOME* of that is to just get into the other team’s head and make them give you five free yards.
Not all of it, of course… and not that that excuses any of it.Report
Ahem…the defense can’t get called for a false start as they’re allowed to move around as much as they want before the snap, but they’re not allowed to come across the line of scrimmage and make contact with an opposing player, which would be offsides. Back before the rules were changed, defensive players were allowed to cross the line to try to get offensive players to flinch, which would be a false start penalty, but if the offensive player didn’t move and the defensive player was across the line when the ball was snapped, he would be guilty of being offsides. Now, if a defensive player crosses the line and causes an offensive player to flinch, the penalty is on the defense (inducing, I believe it is called).
Geez, I would have thought Tebow would have explained all of this to you…Report
Tebow tried, but he did it via parable, which Jaybird’s pagan mind was too dim to understand.Report
I am pretty much a total football outsider, if not an outright detractor. I am already on the record in this forum as thinking it a dangerous sport, and one that I (when asked) tell parents I think is bad for their children. I beggars credulity that anyone can watch it and not know, on some level, that it is wreaking significant and/or cumulative damage on players’ bodies. (Even I will admit, however, that it is an interesting sport, one that seems to rely far more on strategy than baseball. I can understand its appeal, albeit abstractly.)
What little I have heard from this whole fiasco, much of it from this excellent piece, simply plays into my own (perhaps) unfair biases against the sport. It seems an example of not merely excused thuggish, gratuitously violent behavior, but actually encouraged. (Another recent example was that whole “bounty” scandal.) It makes everything that seems brutal about the game itself just a slightly-sublimated version of the vicarious brutality that informs its appeal.Report
This just came out yesterday. What’s truly frightening is that it sounds like pretty much every ex-NFLer who undergoes these tests shows signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy.Report
In regard to concussions, it’s not just football. We may be on the cusp of wholesale change in the way we do sports.Report
I think I’ve mentioned ’round these parts that the only concussion I’ve ever had occurred during a basketball game. However, there’s some evidence that the problem with football goes beyond concussions. Basically, at least some positions may be doing damage to their brain with every play, even in practice (in fact, especially in practice).Report
Before I clicked your link, I assumed it would be this.
It could be taken out of the game, but I am sure some people would object.Report
Glyph, I remember a story a few years ago that soccer players lose several IQ points over the course of their careers, because of the frequent heading.Report
Glyph,
Headers in soccer do get mentioned in the article, even though the focus is on volleyball. I’m not sure how you take out headers and keep soccer what it is, and that’s worrisome.
As to volleyball, one of my two concussions came from banging my head on the floor. There’s also the problem of balls coming at you at up to 50 mph. I have a student right now–a freshman who just turned 18 a couple weeks ago–who’s recently sustained her third concussion playing volleyball. It’s putting her at academic risk, and one can only wonder about long-term consequences if she plays her whole collegiate career and sustains a couple more.Report
I realize it’s anecdotal, but here are my personal observations re: athletes who come in to see me for concussion:
Football/hockey >> lacrosse > soccer > every other contact sportReport
W/R/T soccer (the only sport I was ever halfway good at), the game might not change too much for defense and midfield if headers were banned – at that range, a chest trap and/or fancy footwork should generally be sufficient.
It would definitely change the game for offense at close quarters to the goal (where the maneuver is most useful).
The problem is, if the US decides to ban the maneuver (even just at the youth level, where it may be most critical), that flushes US ability to compete internationally down the terlet, since even if we allow our adults to practice the maneuver, they won’t have had a lifetime of practice like international players had.
At least in US football, we can make “unilateral” changes to the game if we want to. Soccer, not so much, at least if we care about competing internationally.Report
Glyph
I highly doubt that hitting something with your head is something that has a critical age and needs to be trained within a critical interval.
afaik, the only sport that actually has a critical age is hockey.Report
Kim, any task requiring physical strength, muscle memory, and eye/hand (/head) coordination will improve with long practice. Unless you think you can immediately redirect a ball, traveling in excess of 50 miles an hour, to go where you want it to go using ONLY YOUR MIND.
If you are correct, there’s nothing stopping me from becoming a world-class athlete! I’ll start today!Report
Regarding volleyball, I’m not an expert, but I don’t see any reason why adding helmets would change the substance of the game at all.Report
Well CTE as a problem isn’t just about concussions, is it? Concussions are the most visible and worst head injuries coming from football, but it’s more the many many many sustained micro-impacts from just playing the game and practicing that seems to be the problem.
Which makes me wonder if they’ve done similar tests on sumo wrestlers, who do basically the same fucking thing as linemen, except maybe with a bit more weight, no padding, and just as much force.Report
Nob, right, it’s not just the concussions. In fact, it’s primarily not the concussions.
I don’t know of any study with sumo wrestlers, but that makes sense.Report
Great, I feel another culture war is coming on between the people that want to make sports safer and the people that want to keep things they way they are and avoid any namby-pamby talk about safety and health.
Dangerous athletics and sports have been a part of Western civilization since the Greeks in antiquity. We have known for generations that many sports easily result in serious injury or death. There was a similar football scandal at the start of the 20th century when it was still closer to rugby. Somehow, I don’t think that Western culture is going to abandon dangerous sports or do much to make them safer. They are an ingrained part of our civilization.Report
What Nob said. But since it’s almost universally called “The Concussion Crises”, expect that to become more and more obfuscated.Report
Glyph,
Practice is far different from critical periods of learning, like what we see in bilingualism.
to whit, it would be very easy to have a few feeder schools that take in soccer players, and train them from a young age for the sport, and the sport alone.
(Crosby went to one of these for hockey, I believe, otherwise I wouldn’t know they exist).
And we could have reasonably safe recreational hockey for the rest of the kids.Report
The degree to which non-concussion cumulative brain injuries contribute to CTE is academic. Literally. Until there is some discernible manner of detecting these micro-traumas on the sidelines or in a medical setting, concussions are going to have to serve as some kind of proxy. I suspect numerous enterprising investigators are hard at work even now on ways of measuring the effects of these impacts, but right now concussions are the best we got.Report
@russell-saunders
I believe they are doing work with sensors in helmets to get an idea of the forces absorbed during the course of a game. It is still only a proxy since we don’t know exactly how the brain responds to each incident, but we’re getting closer.Report
“In regard to concussions, it’s not just football. We may be on the cusp of wholesale change in the way we do sports.”
Could you expand on that? Anything that involves strenuous physical activity, even without contact, comes with unavoidable risks. The only sport I still participate in is fencing. We’ve managed to take the obvious risk — actually getting stabbed — pretty much out of it. OTOH, there are bruises, abrasions, sprains, muscle and tendon tears, and the occasional closed-head injury including concussions. Concussions are almost always a result of falling and hitting the back of your head on a hard floor. Masks are already rather heavy for some of the smaller junior fencers, so closing and padding the back isn’t reasonable. Padding the floor is pretty much out of the question for several reasons, some of them safety-related. It seems to me that there’s not much that can be done to make fencing safer.Report
I wonder if, in a lot of sports, including soccer and volleyball, we’ll start to see more and more players wearing the sort of head gear that Petr Cech wears, or something like that.Report
Michael,
I think head injuries are a distinct category from most other injuries. Mental “strength” can enable us to live very rewarding lives when we have non-brain injuries, even when those injuries are as severe as loss of limb and mobility. But head injuries rob of us that mental strength, so they can destroy lives more effectively than other severe physical injuries. (As a guy with bipolar disorder and several damaged body parts, I can say that the damaged body parts are mere irritations compared to the effect of the brain not functioning well.)
And I think we’re just now starting to realize the prevalence of head injuries among young athletes. I don’t dispute what others say above about the problem being far more severe with football because of the constant lower-level impacts, but I suspect our growing awareness from football will trickle over into our understanding of other sports, and we’ll increasingly question whether we’re causing long-term cognitive harm to our kids. Part of this is the decreasing number of children people are having, which causes them to value each more highly and invest more in them (drawing from r/K selection theory).
Of course any prediction of the future should be taken with several grains of salt. It’s just a hunch I have, and time will tell if I’m a prophet or a pretender. 😉Report
Chris,
Not that I don’t think head protection would be good, especially for head-floor collisions, but isn’t part of the problem the brain getting jarred around inside the head? That is, if a hard hit volleyball makes your head snap back, does head protection do much, or is your brain still getting smacked around due to inertia? Perhaps I’m way off here. It’s certainly not anything like an area of expertise for me.Report
@chris Since Cech is a goalie who doesn’t need to head the ball but who has to worry more than other positions about head-to-head contact, I don’t know that his headgear is likely to make sense in the long run. Wayne Rooney’s, however, may be a different story: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer–wayne-rooney-gets-major-assist-with-headband-from-small-u-s–company-183328131.html
@jm3z-aitch Head protection would reduce the impact of whatever object struck the head, which would in turn dramatically reduce the recoil from that impact.
Keep in mind also that to the extent we’re concerned about a very small number of lifetime concussions specifically (as opposed to CTE, which doesn’t seem to be much of a problem outside of football and boxing), it seems like a good chunk of the worst harm comes from not treating them properly when they do happen, sending players back out before they’ve had a recovery period of at least a few days, sometimes more.
One thing I’ve kind of been wondering a bit lately – and maybe someone with an engineering background can chime in here – is why football helmets have such a hard outer shell rather than a foam outer layer. Isn’t having a hard outer layer kind of like getting into a car accident without a bumper?Report
…is why football helmets have such a hard outer shell rather than a foam outer layer.
One purpose of the rigid outer layer — and it’s not just football helmets that have it — is to help spread the impact over a larger area. When you look at helmet-to-helmet contact in football, the areas that are in contact are quite small, so the pressure at that point is very large. Spreading the impact in turn allows a larger volume of padding to be deformed, absorbing more energy in the process. At least in terms of protection for things like concussion, the whole goal is to (a) reduce the amount of energy transferred to the head by using it for other things (like deforming foam padding) and (b) to spread the transfer over a greater period of time and distance, reducing acceleration. There are lots of compromises — like the requirement that the padding is only temporarily deformed.
A few college teams experimented with practice helmets that were padded on the outside as well as the inside. IIRC, they were a mixed bag. Marginally better at absorbing impact (energy), but also tended to be “stickier” than the hard plastic and added to neck-twisting torque in some sorts of collision.Report
A round, hard-shelled helmet also encourages glancing blows as oppose to direct blows. Two billiard balls hit and unless it is a direct, head on hit, they glance off each other and their energy is transferred in other directions instead of directly into one another.Report
It makes everything that seems brutal about the game itself just a slightly-sublimated version of the vicarious brutality that informs its appeal.
As a football fan, the accuracy of this comment really bums me out.Report
In every other industry, people always show that they can adapt; to suggest that NFL players can’t is an insult to NFL players’ maturity and professionalism.
Is it possible to insult the maturity and professionalism of someone who treats his colleagues like that?Report
@tod-kelly @burt-likko @mark-thompson
http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/2748/pro-incognito-fins-leave-no-room-for-martin
Given the unique nature of the NFL, Martin can’t just pick up and leave the Dolphins for another team. If he feels that the Dolphins’ environment is too toxic for him, is there a means for him to break his contract (with or without collecting full payment) and seek employment with another team? It would seem unfair to require him to stay with the team, though that is precisely what sports teams do in most situations when they have a guy under contract and things go south.Report
My own 2 centavos:
Martin will never play in The League again. He’s toxic. No one will have him. Because of that, he’ll seek damages from both the Dolphins as well as the NFL.Report
Maybe I’m weird, but the more I hear about this story, and see people inside the league trying to make Martin the problem, the more I’m thinking I just can’t watch the NFL anymore. Which is really saying something.Report
Kazzy,
You are being decent. Everyone else is being weird.Report
Martin will never play in The League again.
Michael “Dogfight” Vick. If Martin’s good enough to start, or even be the fourth linebacker in the rotation, and available at the right price, he’ll play.Report
Kazzy, I agree. My wife and I were talking about this the other day and she said that all the arguments defending Martin sound exactly like the old “boys will be boys” justification for sexual assault. It’s weird.
Michael, unlike Vick, the issue here isn’t with the public and public perception and public forgiveness. The problem is “the locker room.” I just don’t see it happening, tho I’d love to be wrong in that prediction.Report
that all the arguments defending Martin
Oops. That’s an unfortunate mistake. I meant: “all the arguments defending Incognito and criticizing Martin sound exactly like…”Report
@stillwater
I was talking with Zazzy about it, who didn’t really know all the details, and eventually she just said, “Wow… this is really bothering you.”
For me to be bothered… by football??? Wow… indeed.
One thing I can’t stand is when we blame the person who exposes the problem instead of the people who are the problem. Whether it is hushing the person who calls out the drunk uncle making racist jokes at Thanksgiving dinner or pointing at someone like Martin as the person who created the issue, it is such an assbackwards view on the world.Report
Kazzy, I’m right with ya on that. To me, this scandal has created an even greater disincentive to watch games than concussions has. And that was a pretty big disincentive. I don’t know that it’ll change my viewing habits right away (I’ve been drifting away from *serious* football fandom for a while now) but the “locker room culture” argument – which sanctions and encourages this type of hazing – is repellant to me.Report
The Commissioner could do quite a lot should he choose to do so. It’s not quite “he can do whatever the hell he wants” because Martin and the NFLPA would have to sign off on it, but he has the power, in theory, to transfer Martin’s contract to a different team provided appropriate compensation goes back to the Dolphins, which might be in, for instance, the form of a draft pick.
But he won’t do this. He surely doesn’t want to create a precedent of players claiming harassment whenever they don’t like their teams to try and go somewhere else, because if he did that the draft would become meaningless and the draft is one of the principal means that the league ensures parity between the teams and thus keeps the quality of the NFL’s product high.
That, at least, is something objectively related to the business in question. But putting boundaries on the hazing of rookies, that seems like it wouldn’t have a significant impact on the game. Doesn’t mean you can’t be tough on a player as a motivational means. It does means you have to tell people to not use racial slurs or threaten violence beyond the reasonable limits of the game, and then back up that instruction with the credible threat of discipline, which when you think about it is setting the standard of excellence in interpersonal conduct so low that there is a significant danger of tripping over it.Report
So here’s a question.
If this sort of thing is so prevalent in the NFL, do we really have any reason to believe this doesn’t go on in the NCAA, too?Report
Alleged quote from one of Martin’s “teammates”:
““We are going to run train on your sister. . . . She loves me. I am going to f–k her without a condom and c– in her c—.””Report
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9939308/richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-bullying-scandal?mboxSession=1383879602571-86740
Really liked this story. The toughness alpha male bullshit needs to go. It infects every part of American discourse and it really is causing serious problems. The NFL is just one example out of many. Military suicides are another part of it. So are mass shootings.Report
This was a really fantastic piece.Report
That was a well-written piece.
You guys know I’m not much of a sports guy, so per Nob’s question about whether the NCAA has similar issues I can’t say. I tend to suspect it’s not as intense – for me, the Grantland piece resonated with observations that Balko and others have made w/r/t US police militarization – the idea that when you keep up-armoring guys with heavier gear, and using warlike rhetoric and metaphors all the time, then it shouldn’t be surprising that some of them start to psychologically feel like they ARE at war, and maybe act accordingly. And all rules are off, if it’s war.
In the same way it seems many of our “warriors in blue” have forgotten that whole “to serve and protect” thing, I wonder to what degree some of these “gridiron warriors” have forgotten the whole “Jesus, it’s just a game” thing.Report
Grantland is often awesome, and that piece is space awesome.Report
It is interesting to see what happens when people fear the “culture” (i.e., the toughness) of a place will decline. I can think of a few examples: doctors working crazy hours, allowing gays to serve openly. There is usually an accompanying culture of never-complaining, which works out very nicely for those in charge, no?Report
Remind me sometime to talk to you about the undergraduate community in my parts.Report