Can You Housewife Your Way Out of Poverty?
A couple years back, the Trump administration floated the idea of handing out boxes of food instead of SNAP benefits in the form of EBT cards.
I actually don’t think the idea of the Harvest Boxes themselves are terrible. I don’t think they can replace SNAP, but they could be a welcome supplement to it. At any rate, the debate over the issue raised a question that I have long been interested in.
Can you housewife your way out of poverty?
No. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Seriously though, I have studied the matter up close and personal as an intermittently poverty-stricken most-of-the-time homemaker for 30 years now and that is my expert opinion. I’ve debated strangers on the Internet and real-life friends on the topic. It’s a surprisingly heated issue.
But the answer is NO. Even though I think the Trump administration was trying to do something admirable with their Harvest Box plan, I’m here to testify that it is impossible to housewife your way into a different social class. People should stahp with the suggestions that poor people should just have gardens or that handing people a bag of beans and a sack of white rice and some seed packets are going to help anyone tug themselves up by their bootstraps. In fact, handing people a bag of beans and a sack of flour and some kohlrabi seeds aren’t going to do anything other than help people starve in the streets.
I’d like to take a moment before I launch into all this to point out how sexist it is, putting the full responsibility for yanking a family out of poverty onto the backs of women. Implying that if only they had a little more Yankee ingenuity or sticktoitiveness or were more Betty-Crocker-y that they’d be able to move their families out of the trailer park. I know, I know, men can cook! And men can garden! So, the statement is not inherently sexist! But real world application time, in the lower middle class/working poor, not only are most of us the type of people who tend to follow traditional gender roles, but our men are freaking exhausted from working all day at physically taxing jobs and thus the role of managing the household generally falls to women, even though we are also freaking exhausted. The cooking and cleaning and the being-frugal-ing and the gardening (if any) that is done, is done by the she-folk and not the he-folk.
People just LOVE to blame a family’s foibles and failings on the female end of the equation, don’t they?
But sexist though it may be, I know quite a lot of people of all political persuasions who really do seem to think the poor are hiding some hidden inborn ability to cook and clean and garden their way into a different tax bracket. Or maybe they’re all cleverly obscuring the fact that they had the skillz once-upon-a-Depression-ago but they’ve withered through laziness and disuse, in need of a swift kick right in the Swiffer.
If you haven’t encountered this phenomenon yourself (or if you engage in it without realizing you were doing it) you may not understand what I’m talking about. So here are some examples I’ve accumulated over the years, shared in the hopes of putting the kibosh on this widespread, bipartisan, blame-the-poor-for-their-living-conditions mindset.
All these things I’ve personally witnessed firsthand, so admittedly a limited sample size. But I believe they speak to a larger set of beliefs – namely, that poor people need to work harder, scrimp and save a little more, and deny themselves every pleasure, and if only they did all that, they’d get out of their income bracket easily. I’m not motivated enough to go hunt them down to post a link, nor do I want to since some of them were personal conversations and I’d rather not call anyone out over them. You can call this a straw man argument if you’d like, but this is my lived experience and just because I don’t want to spend several hours tracking down old and private social media posts to prove it, doesn’t mean these things didn’t happen and aren’t happening regularly.
Example 1 – Cooking. On more than one occasion, both on social media and IRL, I have encountered the concept that the poor should be given large sacks of beans and rice and flour in lieu of EBT cards (the modern incarnation of food stamps). This is quite a popular opinion; so popular, in fact, that on the WIC program, poor families actually ARE given sacks of beans and grains. This is one of the fundamental premises underlying the Harvest Boxes suggested by the Trump administration. Give people actual food that they can cook themselves. Real food is good, wholesome, nutritious. So much better than boxes of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. Right?
While this concept sounds good on paper, the problem is that beans and rice, while they last forever without spoiling and are easy to distribute, are among the very hardest things to cook.
I am an expert cook and even I still screw up rice now and then – burned, waterlogged, or crunchy. Homemade bread from flour sounds great in principle but you also need yeast and pans and a big bowl to mix them and for some kinds of breads, butter and sugar and salt and eggs in addition to flour. I bake bread all the time (making some as I write this, as a matter of fact) but it took me years and the generous gift of a Kitchen Aid mixer – a gadget far beyond the budget of most families – before I really got good at it. Beans take quite some time to cook (24 hours plus, in many cases), require extensive amounts of expensive flavoring agents to make them palatable, and are super challenging to prepare. I am still working towards bean mastery after decades of failure – and I had to procure a not-cheap Instant Pot before they started coming out anywhere near as good as canned beans.
Dry goods like flour and rice and beans all require having a decent set of pots/pans to prepare them, which some people simply don’t have, not to mention a working stove and oven. There are many poor people who cook their meals in a microwave or toaster oven!! Some have never cooked or baked in their lives. Many lack the skillset and equipment to be given hard-to-cook foods that are inedible unless prepared just right.
Click here to see a fantastic graphic article that illustrates all this brilliantly.
Please understand I’m not saying that this is true of all poor people, simply “give those lazy slobs bags of rice and flour” is not a viable welfare strategy, at least not on its own.
Example 2 – Health. For a while I was in a Facebook group on frugal living. I mostly ignored it as it seemed to be primarily about couponing (which is a rich woman’s game because in order to buy things with coupons, you have to have money to spend in the first place, and most coupons are issued for expensive name brand products no one really needs anyway). But then one day a young woman posted that her husband had lost his job and she didn’t know what to do. Since I’d been in that situation before, I posted some encouraging platitude and then said something along the lines of “potatoes and rice are your new best friend”…because, you know, I’m an Actual Poor Person who has experienced sudden job loss and those foods are cheap filler. Well, some woman with too much time on her hands (after her couponing, no doubt) ripped into me to tell me how my advice was singlehandedly giving America diabeetus and explained that how with only $12 you could make one healthy meal (yams! quinoa! Kale!! salmon!!! Everyone’s fave satisfying meal after a day of hard work) and maybe even have leftovers for the next day’s lunch.
$12. For one meal. If that’s even true (which I doubt, since salmon even where I live in the Pacific Northwest rarely goes below $5 a pound), $12 has many times been a tenth of my entire month’s food budget. The average amount allotted on SNAP is 1.86 per meal per person, meaning that you MUST buy things that stretch farther than one meal – like rice and potatoes. Yet this woman was seriously, self-righteously suggesting that a family spend over a ten-spot on one single solitary supper, with maybe some left over for lunch (this woman has clearly never seen my family eat). And the food value in kale, while it may be “healthy”, is practically nil. You’re paying a LOT for something that won’t fill your belly. Good luck working all day on your feet with a kale salad to sustain you.
It’s insane, and yet that’s the mentality of many who sit around thinking “if only those lardasses didn’t eat carbs America wouldn’t have an obesity problem”.
Example 3 – Frugality. Another day, another social media brouhaha.
This one involves a meme that appears periodically (annoying memes seem to have seasons like yellow jackets or something, showing up once a year to ruin your picnic) that shows expensive, processed foods as compared to cheap, unprocessed foods and how much more food you could buy unprocessed, than processed or fast food. The trouble is, just like the salmon lady, they fudge a LOT on the prices (I have literally never in my adult life paid 98 cents per lb. for chicken breasts and have only purchased 4 for a dollar ears of corn on the very rarest and most joyous of occasions, all of which were in the 1990s).
And they don’t show entire meals, which is ridiculous. Anyone could go into a store and buy whatever random healthy food items happen to be on sale any given week and save a little money, but that doesn’t mean you can make a meal out of them (although that dinner of Bagel Thins and a sack of whole potatoes looks super delectable). I’ve been in the supermarket tons of times, restricting myself to just what’s on sale, and I’ve ended up with various completely unrelated food items that can’t really be combined into anything edible without my already-stocked pantry. You just can’t feasibly shop that way. And poor people simply DO NOT HAVE 700 items already stashed in their cupboards to round out a meal.
Setting my minor quibbles aside, because I do get those graphics are meant to be an illustration of a principle and not a serious suggestion, the meme’s fundamental premise itself is flawed. It’s simply untrue that poor people are squandering their money on KFC and if only they were more responsible and bought punnets of strawberries instead, all would be well. It’s been shown by researchers that the reason why poor people gravitate towards cheap starchy foods – what others might call “junk” – is because they get the most bang for their buck that way – the most calories for the least amount of money. Poor people are doing some complicated mathematical calculations and determining that a diet based around white starchy carbs makes the most financial sense to them.
It’s also been shown that in times of financial distress families drop healthy, expensive foods first. Because, well, DUH. Healthy foods are a massive luxury, many of which (like the aforementioned kale) do not even have much food value in terms of fat, protein, and calories, and if you have the luxury of eating them regularly, that’s great. Bully for you. Your good fortune doesn’t grant you license to sit in judgement of those who don’t have that same luxury. It very well may be they’re doing the best they can do in the circumstances they are in.
Example 4 – Practicality. When it comes to healthy eating, issues of practicality also come into play. Storage space is at a premium for many. If you live in an apartment or trailer, is it practical to buy a great big roly poly sack of potatoes (one meal, maybe two) instead of a box of dry potato flakes (3-5 meals) that fits nicely in your cupboard? Is it practical for a person who may have mice or cockroaches or ants or grain weevils or leaky plumbing to buy dry goods in bulk? A 50 lb. sack of rice or flour or beans that takes up a large amount of space can be easily ruined over time, even if it does save a small amount of money per serving.
If you have a more nomadic lifestyle and have to move every few months or years there are still more practical considerations. Will you be hauling those giant sacks of bulk foods along with you or will you have to leave them behind? Some of you may recall my tale of woe about how I had bought a 50 lb. sack of beans that spilled when I was moving and how five years later, I was still finding beans in surprising places. And I’ve only moved once in 30 years. Imagine having to move every year or even every few months. Economically vulnerable people do absolutely live like this; stability is a luxury that those who have it rarely appreciate.
Buying something you have to throw away more than half of, to maybe save a few pennies per serving, is false economy.
On Twitter recently, pundit Yashar Ali (who I don’t mind publicly dunking on, since he’s slightly famous and this post was the equivalent of toxic waste) decided to punch down at a woman who used canned potatoes to feed her family. The comments section was equally brutal, with the vast majority of people not able to understand how canned potatoes might be an actual thing.
Click here to watch the actual video, the above is just the screenshot.
Now, I admit, that dinner doesn’t look particularly yummy to me, but it’s no secret to me why a person might prefer to use canned potatoes over fresh. It’s because they keep a while and are easier to transport than fresh potatoes. Spoilage is a huge factor that people who live near a grocery store, have money to buy food whenever, and/or have a safe, vermin-free place to store their groceries never stop to consider. Fresh foods like potatoes and lettuce and strawberries spoil (strawberries can go in a day sometimes). Some poor people don’t have freezers (I didn’t have a freezer for six years, not even the kind that is on top of a refrigerator, and it DRAMATICALLY affects the types of foods you can eat) and others don’t even have decent refrigerators. And contrary to the Internet’s belief, it’s pretty tough to order stuff on Amazon – if you could even afford it – if you don’t have a stable address or you use a PO Box, which Amazon doesn’t reliably ship to.
Speaking of practicality, is it practical to waste money on kale-based experiments your children (let alone your husband) won’t even eat? It isn’t, and all those people who arrogantly declare (prior to kids) that they’ll NEVER feed their kids macaroni and cheese or let them order chicken nuggets at a restaurant have never known the constant stress of having a picky eater in the 3rd percentile for their age, a child pale from probable anemia and so skinny you can see the bones jutting out of them, who literally WILL NOT EAT anything green.
Never is an awfully long time to swear off kid-friendly food, folks, and the weird thing is, this situation can arise even when you tried really hard to feed your baby cauliflower and avocado. One of my kids hates beans, rice, oatmeal, cheese (won’t even eat pizza or macaroni and cheese), eggs, and all vegetables, despite being fed massive quantities of all those things as an infant, back before my husband lost his job and I still had money to burn shoving pureed veggies down a baby’s gullet. Another hates spaghetti, yogurt, all vegetables, and all meat other than fried chicken. My daughter will eat most vegetables, but refuses to eat potatoes (wut) and cries when she has to eat Cheerios, an item she happily devoured in her infancy.
None of my five children would consume a lentil except under pain of death. And kale? Fuggedaboutit!
At some point children figure out that some foods taste better than others and refuse things they do not like. And no, they don’t always eat when they get hungry enough. My kids have all gone through phases where they were so picky, they looked like Christian Bale from The Machinist. With my first son, I was so happy to find something he would actually eat (breaded fish sticks with ketchup on them) that I found I no longer cared a whit about all those things I swore I would never do – like feed my child breaded fish sticks with ketchup on them.
If none of that applies to you, if you can look at your child happily devouring their plankton loaf, it is not because you are a better or wiser parent, it is because you are lucky and your child happens to like plankton loaf. Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.
Oh, and I mustn’t fail to mention the conversation that started off my Non-Doomsday Prepping series. A much younger mom friend, a much richer mom friend, and I got into a discussion about meal planning. Our younger friend really didn’t know how to cook much of anything and asked for meal ideas that weren’t totally processed that she could afford. My richer friend decided that it would be a great time to lecture her about whole grains and vegetables and eating beans, yadda yadda yadda. And the younger gal said “Well, I’d like to, but my husband gets an upset stomach if we eat too much of that stuff.” Then, despite me explaining very patiently that blue collar guys can’t exactly stop to go to the bathroom 10 times a day even if they wanted to (and who does) the rich lady went on and on about how it didn’t matter, it was healthier, and he should just shut up and deal with an irritable tummy rather than putting toxins in his body.
But it does matter. Not feeling well day in and day out is never great even under ideal circumstances, and if you’re working a job where you MUST be physically at your best and/or do not have constant access to a bathroom, it is a dealbreaker.
I don’t care if your old granny ate beans every day of her life and never had stomach issues. I don’t care what people eat in other countries. A LOT of people of the American sort cannot handle massive quantities of vegetables and legumes and brown rice and all the stuff doctors say you “should” eat. I find doctors have a disproportionate amount of job security compared to garbage men like my husband or satellite dish installers like my young friend’s husband. A LOT of people are working jobs where they’ll be fired if they spend half the day in the john.
This is no joke, although I understand the temptation to see humor in it. Having access to a bathroom in the workplace is a very serious concern for working class people, and it means you can’t just hand out sacks of beans and expect people to be able to function and contribute in the workplace eating that way. Not only is it mean, it’s straight up impractical.
Example 5 – Growing your own food is not feasible without land. I got into a discussion with a guy once – nice guy, very well intentioned – who was all about promoting gardening as a way to help people out of poverty. While I think gardening has huge psychic and health benefits for everyone, I quibbled with the idea of gardening as a viable strategy for aiding struggling families. I tried very hard to garden for many years and ran into numerous problems that all poor gardeners have – gardening requires equipment that is expensive. Not to mention good soil and copious amounts of fertilizer to keep good soil good or make bad soil better. Not to mention good weather, which much of the country doesn’t have at least some part of the year, or the ability to start seeds indoors (which also requires soil and fertilizer, not to mention pots).
Above all else, gardening requires that most important resource of all, free time. It’s pretty tough to raise your own food when you work 10 hour days plus an hour commute, and you don’t own a garden hose, so you have to spend 2 hours watering by hand. And for those many poverty-stricken people who don’t have their health (as many don’t), it’s pretty much impossible to get out there with a shovel and spend hours a day in the hot sun weeding.
Even beyond those concerns, the biggest problem I have with gardening for the poor is that most of the food you can grow easily are luxury foods without much food value. Zucchini, for instance, grows well and is prolific, but it just has so little food value. Beets grow well for me, but we just didn’t like them much. Kohlrabi is ok, but most people don’t know what to DO with that. Other crops are plagued with insects (kale for example) and still more like broccoli and celery are really hard to grow. Potatoes and onions may grow, but in most cases you can get more food value for less money from the bags at the grocery store.
In response to my protestations, I was informed that you can grow a peach tree from a pit in only seven years. But that assumes the luxury of stability! Many poverty-stricken people move from home to home frequently. Many do not even own their own homes, living in apartments or trailers or a rental duplex. Gardening implies you put hard work into a plot of land (years of hard work to improve poor soil) and if you rent, you’re putting that work into someone else’s property – if in fact the landlord will even let you dig up a corner of that lawn to toss in some seeds or a peach pit or two, which he probably won’t.
But hey, let’s say that a poor family did plant that lucky pit and eventually got a bumper crop of peaches (without any fertilizer or pesticide – unlikely). Then what? What do you do with it all? A food dehydrator costs money and a huge expenditure of time. Canning takes time, money, skill. Even just freezing peaches is harder than one might think; you have to treat the peaches with store bought lemon juice or citric acid to keep them from browning and you need baggies or containers to store them. And the TIME it takes is considerable. It is hard, hard work for someone who worked all day.
Example 6 – Time, Energy, and Health. The armchair home economists seem to believe food is the biggest part of the equation. They read my protestations and think things like “well we need to GET them the cooking equipment they need!” and “the poor need bathroom accessibility immediately” and “every human being needs access to green spaces!” even though they have no idea how to make those things happen other than pushing it off onto employers or government agencies. Those who believe they’re smart enough to redesign the world see the issues I raise not as stumbling blocks but as problems to be overcome. Eventually. By someone. Not them.
Of course, you’d need to overcome the problems BEFOREHAND, not after the fact while people languish and suffer trying to cook rice on top of their radiator, and planning ahead doesn’t seem to be the way government programs operate. Bureaucrats prefer to wait a few years or decades and then design another failed program to deal with the consequences of their first failed program. But I digress.
There is something that is insurmountable, you see, and that insurmountable thing is the physical limitations of the human body. If you have just worked an 8,10,12 hour day not sitting at a desk in an office but actually lifting heavy things or standing on your feet or hunched over a sawmill or a widget-making-machine, the last thing you want to do is come home and cook or work in a garden for an additional 2-3 hours (in addition to cleaning house, doing laundry, and making sure your child makes a papier-mache volcano for the science fair). You don’t want to waste several hours of your weekend cooking ahead, either. Because you’re TIRED. Mentally, physically, spiritually. You want to rest and relax and do something other than more work. You want to see your children. You want to spend time with friends. You want to sleep. You want to do anything other than more work.
In many, many cases, the reason why a person or a family lives below the poverty line is not because of laziness, but because of issues of physical illness or mental health issues anyway, so it can’t be expected that they’ll be able to move mountains when they can’t even get off the couch. Even for those in good health to start with, being poor makes you more likely to get sick and stay sick, and for mild illnesses to become severe.
Even when you’re healthy, being poor itself drains you; everything is a challenge, a struggle, and it’s freaking depressing. Poverty saps your strength and lowers your morale; as Bob Dylan said, “Everything is broken”. When you’re poor, everything you rest your eyes on is ugly and old and falling apart and borderline unusable. No matter where you go or what you’re doing, you are constantly aware that your clothes are ripped, stained, and out of style, your car is a piece of junk and you don’t have enough gas money, and all you have to eat for lunch is half a packet of saltines. You can’t do a lot of happy little things that other people take for granted like grabbing an espresso now and then, or taking part in Secret Santa gift exchanges, or sending your kids money for pizza party day at school.
Handing a person who is suffering the effects of a workplace accident or chronic damage from years of hard physical labor, a bag of beans and a pan and saying “good luck with that” is not an act of charity. And for someone already struggling with depression, substance abuse, raising a child with special needs, or is just kind of bummed out from fighting the good fight, it’s an act of cruelty. Chronic misery addles your brain and clouds your judgement, and if you doubt that please read this eloquent essay on the subject by Linda Tirado: Why I Make Terrible Decisions, or Poverty Thoughts. Even when you WANT to go above and beyond the call of duty to improve your situation, you have trouble summoning the will.
Example 7 – Because it’s all pointless anyway. At the end of it all, the biggest thing that the wealthy simply do not understand about money is what it REALLY means to not have very much of it. That’s why so many articles about “getting out of debt” or saving money for emergencies starts off with suggestions like “stop getting haircuts at the salon” and “stop going to Starbucks every day” and “stop eating avocado toast”. Poor people already don’t do those things. You can’t cut corners when there are very few corners left to cut.
People love to look at a poor person who has an expensive TV, or drinks pop/beer, or smokes, or plays the lottery now and then and says “if only they hadn’t wasted that money, they’d be so much better off”. But dude, those things are CHEAP. They cost next to nothing. A TV set, for example, can be had for a couple hundred bucks and Netflix is just over $100 a year. I feed my Dr. Pepper habit for what, $300 per annum, maybe? Drinking alcohol daily amounts to a paltry $600 a year. Even smoking an entire pack of cigarettes, a day for a year only costs $2000.
If a poor person were forgo all their simple little pleasures and sit silently staring at 4 blank walls while waiting for their pot of lentils to get done, AND if nothing went wrong (something always goes wrong) they’d have roughly $3000 a year. Whoop-di-freakin-do.
It’s not NOTHING but it’s not a lot. It’s certainly not enough to pull a poor family into another social class, though it may be enough to put you in a higher tax bracket and whisk most of it away again. To put that $3000 amount into perspective, my health insurance costs $9600 with a huge deductible. Our mortgage is $6000 a year. You can’t even buy a decent car with $3000 (ask me how I know) and insurance for that car is $1200 a year, let alone gas, let alone tires, let alone oil changes. $3000 just isn’t that much money. In ten years of savings, ten years of complete self-denial other than the bare necessities, you would have $30,000, which wouldn’t even amount to a year’s salary.
Ten years is a LONG time.
There is little functional difference between 42k a year and 45k. $3000 or $30,000 is just not enough to buy financial security. It isn’t enough to fund a college education, a medical emergency, to start a business, or retirement, even if you forgo every vice you ever had. And many of us never buy cigarettes, don’t drink, don’t even have streaming services – but people still sit in judgment of the chips in our shopping cart, the lottery ticket in our hand, the cell phone in our pocket, the baby in our belly. Technically, we don’t need any of it, but then again you don’t need that granite countertop you put on your credit card, either, now do you?
Life is short. And some of us who don’t have a massive bank account, we just aren’t willing to never taste anything sweet, never experience any moments of happiness and joy, keep our nose to the grindstone to make a profit for someone way higher up the ladder than us. At least not without an icy, refreshing, Dr. Pepper to wash it down with.
Poor people are caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand there is certainly no shortage of people who will decide in advance what poor people can benefit from and deny them charity on that basis (I once had a delightful Twitter argument with a lunatic who said giving poor people free dishes was useless because they didn’t have soap or water or anywhere to store them, ignoring the millions of working poor families who could use a set of dishes). But on the other there is no shortage of people who have a “let them eat cake” attitude towards the poor, who really truly do assume that poor people live in spacious houses that they own, full of cooking implements and a full pantry and room for a garden, and all they really lack is a sack of rice and some gumption.
You cannot housewife your way out of poverty. All the scrimping and saving in the world can’t make something out of nothing. I’d actually like to see something like Harvest Boxes as a supplement to the SNAP Program. But expecting that a bag of rice and a packet of kale seeds will pull anyone up by their bootstraps is nonsense, and this approach will never, ever, ever take the place of extending a helping hand in the form of financial compensation with which the poor can choose the foods that they feel comfortable with, that best meet their needs.
Needs as defined by THEM, not YOU.
The life of a poor person entails being expected to do everything rich people do only you have way fewer resources and you’re carrying many extra burdens. Whenever you fall short, people don’t see the things you lack or the extra weight you’re carrying; they assume you’re starting from the same place that they are and judge you accordingly.
Don’t do that.
It is absolutely possible for domestic skills to help make a poor family’s life better – to provide a diet that is healthier, tastier, and more affordable. But don’t put YOUR unreasonable expectations onto the backs of the poor. They’ve already got enough to carry.
I really liked this post, Kristin. And while I (luckily) have no firsthand experience of poverty, the post certainly rings true to me.
Thanks also for the link to the Tirado piece. I haven’t read it yet, but it looks interesting.Report
Thanks Gabriel. I really hope people read it, because it says a lot of stuff I wasn’t able to fit in the piece about how much it can mean to have a little sliver of normalcy now and then, even if that normalcy is in the form of a Hostess Twinkie, LOLReport
This post is perfect and connects to much of my childhood. I would also add that food in poor communities is often a rare form of community that survives against all aspects of life and connects people in an intergenerational struggle. And you aren’t going to feed your fucking uncle kale when he comes over but comfort food that brings you all together.
A line from the movie Machete: “I just make tacos and sell them. To the workers of the world. It fills their bellies with something other than hate.”Report
I wish I would have had the room to fit that in. Totally.Report
Barbara Ehrenreich laid all this out in Nickled and Dimed, which I recommend.Report
Thanks. I’ve heard of it but hadn’t read it.Report
It’s an excellent read.Report
Middle-class here, but yeah to a lot of the things too. The coupon thing drives me wild, people used to say “just clip coupons! You can save so much money!” and I think about not just the time involved in hunting them down and cutting them out but also the fact that it’s mostly the kind of food I don’t ordinarily buy – and except for the very targeted coupons some places do (like: Meijer’s sends my mom coupons in the mail based on items she has bought in the past six months, so there’s money off the brand of canned beans she buys, and the kind of flour…) it seems like not really a savings.
And also to the “cut out the little pleasures.” I remember in the 2008 recession how they were telling people “don’t buy fancy coffee drinks! Make coffee at home, it’s cheaper” and while I am not a coffee drinker – it seems like telling people to give up the small cheap pleasures (of maybe $10-15 a week) so they can ‘save” that money (inflation will just eat it, at those levels) and forgo the little things that make life happier or easier – no. I’ve read those “retire at 50” (or whatever it is) people and it really does seem like every fifty cents you spend “unnecessarily” now makes you a “loser” for the future.
I would hate to forgo every pleasure in life for the future goal of retiring a little early, only to get hit by a bus before that happened. I’ve seen similar things – seen people on the brink of retirement die before they could ever enjoy day 1 of it.Report
Yep. My husband’s father cut every corner (even to a fault, as in, forgoing necessary repairs on his house and stuff like that) in order to retire early and then he got ALS and only got to enjoy a few years of being retired. So now his wife sits in a leaky, falling apart house while my husband and his sister try to find ways to hold it all together. In retrospect it was false economy, saving money on things that really needed to be done in the promise of “when I retire I’ll have time to deal with all these things then”. Nope. :/
The couponing thing is RIDICULOUS. I watched a couple of the couponing shows and they were couponing things like Propel energy water and Swiffer pads and I was just like “these people have no idea”.Report
My favorite thing you’ve ever written, maybe. It is the plain truth of things.Report
Thanks Em, that means the world to me.Report
+1000 to every damn thing you said (grew up poor, with parents who drank and smoked, etc.).
My parents had no money because:
A) They got pregnant and dropped out of college.
B) They spent a lot on credit setting up house and spent years dodging those creditors.
C) They were ‘victims’ of Sam Vines Boot Theory of Wealth.
D) My father had a nasty streak of pride that wouldn’t let him admit he wasn’t the smartest person in the room.
None of those things are going to be fixed with a garden (my family ALWAYS had a garden, because my mom & I enjoyed gardening).Report
Oscar, are you our long lost child? Why did you miss last Thanksgiving? 🙁
Seriously though, the boots thing rings SO TRUE. We spent years with hubs buying Payless boots every 3 months and I’m sure spent a small fortune on them. Finally we discovered eBay and now he wears used boots (THAT is the reality of actually trying to save money, and not couponing – wearing other people’s shoes) Even that backfires on us sometimes with the older boots not lasting as long as they should. And it’s STILL a huge luxury we have because we have a computer, Internet, a PayPal account, a mailbox, and the wherewithal to plan ahead to that level. Some people just don’t have those things and so for an employer to say “you must have steel toed boots” sends a lot of guys to Walmart.Report
Heh, I think you would have had to start having kids at a much younger age for that to be true.
For my parents, it was a lot of free or very cheap stuff from friends or family (or garage sales) that would just nickel and dime us. Sure, that car was only $200, but it needs a tune up, and new tires, and every month it needs some kind of work done on it (muffler, oil, tranny, shocks, timing, etc.). Same with our lawnmowers, and furniture, and the house…
On the plus side, I had a library card and a library well stocked with Chilton manuals, and books on home repair and wood working, so I learned a hell of a lot.
But when I was in the Navy, I learned the difference quality makes, even though it took me years to break those bad habits.
And that’s another thing about being poor, you fall into bad habits that eat up your money. Those habits demand a lot of time and mental energy to break, time and mental energy most people do not have after working two jobs and taking care of kids and everything else. My parents didn’t ignore creditors because they liked stiffing Sears, they did it because ignoring the creditors was easier (in their minds) than finding the money to pay them.
I see Jaybird writing about how easy it is to make some simple food at home and all I can think is, “Brother, you do not understand the mental and emotional exhaustion that is chronic.”
Imagine your most draining day, the one that left you coming home and all you wanted to do was flop onto the couch and veg out.
Now imagine that is your every day, and has been, for years.
It’s like swimming in oil, you spend so much effort just keeping your head above the surface that you can barely make headway out of it.Report
One of the big things that surprised me during this pandemic was how much money we started saving by cooking. We stopped going to McDonald’s for breakfast and stopped going to Chik-fil-A for lunch and stopped grabbing Chipotle on the way home and, holy cow! It’s so much cheaper to make your own breakfast sandwiches! It’s so much cheaper to make your own spaghetti sauce!
And so when I would think “you can save so much money by making your own food!”, it’s because I had outsourced 80% of my mealmaking to others.
Cooking, for me, had become a party trick. “Look! I can make spaghetti!”
I suspect that a lot of DINKs out there have similar going on. And so, when they hear about someone with kids trying to stretch a dollar, think “Well, stop going to drive-throughs and fast casual to eat all the time! I did and I saved money!”
Remember when “checking privilege” was a thing? I’m beginning to suspect that that was just a jockeying-for-position tactic used by college sophomores rather than, you know, something that people were expected to do when trying to come up with poverty policy.Report
Your privilege, as it is, is the time to prepare food at home.Report
Yeah, I spent as much time waiting in line as I spent eating. I saved so much time!
Now I spend about 90 minutes every day cooking and a half hour dedicated to dishes and cleanup and whatnot and I don’t really notice because, hey, there’s a global pandemic and I’m home anyway.
But that’s 2 hours eaten by food. Every day.Report
One of the things I do is that I don’t prepare food at home every day. I pick a few days out of the week and prepare a really big casserole or something, have some for dinner, then freeze the rest.
My privilege is being able to afford to have an insulated garage and a large freezer in said garage.
But I remember growing up, mom and dad both working, meals often came pre-packaged (the Schwan’s truck was a regular at our house, seeing as we were way out in the boonies) or as take out from some place along the way home from work.
That changed somewhat when my parents scored an old chest freezer, but mostly that just meant more frozen Schwan’s food.Report
As I was making breakfast, I realized that I was exaggerating. It’s, like, 15 minutes to make a good breakfast, 20-25 if I’m making it for Maribou too.
I make hot dogs the long way, apparently. It takes me twenty minutes to make a hot dog lunch (but 10 of that is boiling water and walking away) and it only takes longer than that because I want to toast the buns and melt some cheese on them and there is condiment prep and so on.
Maribou tells me about visiting friends who just made hot dogs by throwing the dogs in the microwave and then putting them in a room temperature bun.
WITH KETCHUP NO DOUBT.
So I do much of this to myself.
But the food tastes better when you Martha Stewart it up a little.Report
That’s not actually how we make hotdogs there.
Step 1. Microwave the hotdogs for 1 minute.
Step 2. Toast the bread. (These have to happen sequentially so you don’t flip the circuit breaker and have a whole bunch more steps.)
Step 3. Put the hotdogs on the toast. Lay a slice of cheese across the hotdogs but contained within the toast.
Step 4. Microwave the hotdogs, toast, and cheese for 30 seconds.
Step 5. Condiments (I prefer mustard only; one of my friends uses mustard, mayo, and ketchup.)
Step 6. Fold the toast to make it more like a bun.
It’s not fancy cheese grilled on the buns under the broiler good. Jay’s hot dogs are better.
But our way takes about 2 mins per person eating. If there are only one or two people eating….
PS “we” didn’t eat out 3 times a day every work day. I ate out about 6-8 times a week. But that was still a lot more than either of us do now.Report
Mayo.
Every day we stray further from God’s light.Report
and energy and motivation. I ate more carry out during the pandemic than before because there some days I simply could NOT with cooking, whether it was being tired from trying to shift teaching to online/juggle online and in person distanced like now, or days when the pandemic horror just got to me and I couldn’t motivate myself to do more than call out for a pizza to be left on my front porch.
I’m doing some better now but….I remember now I used to grab a restaurant lunch twice a month or so and I just miss the third-placeness of it; it’s not quite the same driving through a window and carrying a styrofoam clamshell home.
When you get home at 5 pm after a day of battling recalcitrant technology and trying to console freaked-out students over e-mail, literally the last thing you want to do is cut up a bunch of vegetables and then wind up with a bunch of pots and pans to wash at 7 pm or whatever when you’re done eating.
I wish I had someone to cook for me once in a while.
I pray my mom lives long enough for me to travel to see her again after the pandemic and eat her cooking again 🙁Report
Cooking for Maribou does change things. When she went away to visit cocooning friends, my cooking pretty much deteriorated and I put no effort into meal-making whatsover.
When it’s just food for me, who cares? Eat mashed potato flakes right from the box!Report
Yes. And it’s a bit of a vicious cycle because when you don’t find real enjoyment in cooking/eating it’s easy to just kinda give up on it.
This last several years living without a freezer and a few years of that on a very strict budget, we ended up eating WAY more starchy cheap fillers. There was something very defeating about it, knowing it was just rice and processed meats and nothing really GOOD. Didn’t really entice me into the kitchen even the few times we had anything decent. But now the garden and the freezer has really put the pep back in my step because I have something to show for it when I’m done.
I too pray that this stupid virus goes away and we can all be together again soon.Report
“Housewifing your way out of poverty” is a new variation on the ancient game of accusing poor people of indolence, the better to ignore the structural forces that created poverty in the first place.Report
I think this is right. I took a class on the Russian Revolution in college. One of the topics was the politicization of peasant communal farming arrangements. It took functionaries a long time to realize that the peasants weren’t poor because of the communal farms, rather they established the communal systems because they were poor.Report
Couldn’t agree more. Thanks for reading.Report
“the rich lady went on and on about how it didn’t matter, it was healthier, and he should just shut up and deal with an irritable tummy rather than putting toxins in his body.”
Diarrhea is just toxins leaving the body! 😀Report
I have sooo many clients who want to do detoxes and when I ask them “but what is IN the detox” they list several herbal laxatives plus a massive amount of fiber to make them think they were just loaded with “toxins”.Report
I remember reading an article wherein two experts (of some stripe) debated what was the best “bang for your buck”… literally: a McDonalds double-cheeseburger (at the time available for $1) or $1 worth of rice and beans. To me, the answer was obvious: the burger. Why? Because for $1, you basically got a meal. What does $1 worth of rice-and-beans do for you if you don’t have water or a stove or propane in the tank or a pot? The guy arguing for that side of things seemed to just handwave away how raw rice and raw beans became food.
When I was young, I remember reading blogs that showed you meals for under $5 or whatever. And they’d say things like “5 cents worth of olive oil”. Which, yea, maybe a tablespoon of olive oil only did cost 5-cents. But… you can’t go to the store and buy a tablespoon of olive oil. You have to buy the whole bottle and even the cheap stuff ain’t cheap. So you need a whole heck of a lot more than $5 to get yourself going. Maybe after a few weeks or months you have enough of a stockpile to start making $5 meals but how much do you need up front and what do you do if you don’t have that money up front?
Anyone who purports it is easy to get out of poverty had never experienced true poverty and, even if they did, likely did not get themselves out all on their own.Report
Yep. A couple times when the “eat lentils” subject has come up, people are like “but you can make lentils taste great, all you need is some stock and thyme and rosemary and black pepper and a little onion and some cheese on top…”Report
I agree with some of this article, but point 7 seems way off. I know what it’s like to be stretching a budget, and $3000 is huge. People need to shake every penny out of their budget, and of course that includes money you’d spend on smoking, drinking, and gambling. That one scratch-off ticket can get you a sandwich, and I’ve never seen a person buy only one scratch-off ticket.
I’m not saying that you can housekeep your way out of poverty, but you can mitigate the damage of poverty. Housekeeping probably won’t increase the money coming in, but it’s a big part of the money going out. How much self-denial are we talking about in ditching a Netflix account, anyway? Anyone with computer access doesn’t need to spend a penny on entertainment. Three grand won’t be enough to start a Burger King franchise, but it’ll keep a car running, and that can lead to a better job. The past few months should have reminded us of how much we can cut back.
I feel like this comment is going to lose whatever focus it has if I keep rambling, so there I’ll leave it.Report
First of all, only 29% of people smoke, and many of them don’t smoke a pack a day. I was estimating on the high end of voluntary purchases to demonstrate a point but the $3000 is somewhat generous about the amount of money one can accumulate by giving up vices.
Actually, coming from an actual poor person, $3000 really is nothing. I have just in the past few years experienced multiple car breakdowns ($3000 twice) a tooth cracking through no fault of my own and then the dentist wrecking another tooth in the process of fixing that one (another $3000), a mystery medical condition that ended up costing upwards of 10k (without a diagnosis), a fire we haven’t paid for yet, and a flooded road that the county declined to fix that also cost us over 10k to repair.
You’re talking about a LOT of self-denial for some people. They don’t have TV antennas. They don’t read the paper (if there is a paper any more.) They don’t know HOW to keep a car going. A whole lot of people don’t get/like computers, don’t read longform articles on weird cross political websites, etc. And it only takes a few times of saving up money only to see it go to some other thing before you think, Screw it, I want a doughnut.
The past few months should have reminded “us” of how much we can cut back?? Who? Who is US? Is us the number of people who haven’t paid their rent in months, or is it Jaybird not eating out as often? Because there are a lot of people, who simply can’t cut back any more than they already have.
No one is saying that there aren’t many corners people can cut, or that people are always super responsible with their money. You will find that sentiment precisely nowhere in my piece. I am simply trying to point out that it is nowhere near as easy as people make it out to be, and one of the logical errors folks make when criticizing the poor is acting like it’s EASY to get enough money to do anything of consequence. But it isn’t. You can’t scrimp your way out of poverty because $3000 and even $30,000 just is not that much money in the long term.Report
I’m with a lot of the points you make, but you keep harping on those numbers, and they seem way out of scale. It’s not like there’s a specific dollar figure that elevates a person from Poverty to Out of Poverty. A few grand isn’t a guarantee of an easy life. But it is a bucket of money that, I know from experience, can change your nutritional intake and keep you from getting evicted.
I know there’s real poverty – it’s rare in the US, but I know it exists. Since I’m talking to someone with computer access, I assume you can watch YouTube for free. can play free card games, and can either read well or use the computer to improve your reading. That’s not true for everyone; I understand that. I hope I haven’t come off as criticizing the poor, but I feel like I’m getting blamed for it. I’ll say that no one in the US should starve, or suffer more than marginal malnutrition, given the public and private charity that’s available. If your family is suffering from vitamin deficiency and you’re spending anything on entertainment, you’re wrong to do so. Can we agree on that?Report
The Road to Wigan Pier has a section that talks about this.
Maslow’s Hierarchy defines a thing that exists but the mistake some make is that if you don’t have stuff on level 3 then you don’t worry about stuff on levels 4, 5, and 6.
Nah. You just don’t have stuff on level 3. You will fight, by hook or by crook, to get you the upper level stuff. It helps with the absence of level 3 amenities.Report
“If your family is suffering from vitamin deficiency and you’re spending anything on entertainment, you’re wrong to do so.”
Is the entertainment spending in question going to fix the vitamin deficiency?
“well you could save it up” oh, so I’ll be vitamin-deficient and miserable? yeah, sign me up for that
“Since I’m talking to someone with computer access…”
Addressed in the comment; please go back and re-read it. Kristin isn’t talking about only herself here.Report
Well I can share a lived experience that offers a counterpoint to this article which strikes me very much as the old Chesterton saw – housewifing has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found difficult and left untried. A key ingredient is that scrimping and saving makes pretty much no difference if you don’t have a solid plan to a.) capture the savings and b.) use it to improve your lot in life. A very strict budget is the only way I know to effectively accomplish both ‘a’ and ‘b.’ This article feels like a pretty accurate description of what happens if you try to be economical and don’t have one.
We “housewifed” our way into a much better financial position. Early on in our marriage we read “Financial Peace” by Dave Ramsey. It inspired us to set up a very strict budget that had such a tight limit on food spending that we had to carefully plan and make every meal cheaply. We stuck with it for the first 5 years or so which let us pay off all of our debt, buy a “new” used car for $5k cash, and put about $20k in savings. With this cash cushion I took a very risky but potentially high-paying temporary job that required moving a long distance at our own expense. It worked out amazingly well and jump-started my career so that we have never had to live that way again. Only possible because we “housewifed” our way into a position where we could take a risk to improve our lot in life.Report
And we “housewifed” our way into owning a huge plot of land, ending up with two homes in the end one of which we rent out for money (to our sons, for a huge discount that saves them money) and the luxury of homeschooling our kids – not to mention the luxury of five kids to begin with. I was also able to have the freedom because of my “housewifing” to create a career working online for more money and no commute. No one is saying that there aren’t massive and life altering advantages to being thrifty.
But we (and you) were able to do that because of some privileges that other people don’t have coupled with a fair amount of good fortune. Thus I refuse to sit in judgement of any people who haven’t been able to pull the same rabbit out of the hat because they didn’t have the same level of mental acuity and reasonably good health that my husband and I had.Report
Agreed.
Totally.
And contra @Veritea you can’t always Dave Ramsey your way out of poverty. Doing so requires a modest bit of privilege, in as much as you have to have financial tools and knowhow and time to work Dave’s system. If you are living in poverty and working two jobs six days a week just to feed and house your family, you don’t have tools or time.
More importantly – the poor didn’t create their state. we have the tools and the resources to help them – but we keep choosing to slash taxes for rich people and failing to bail out Mainstreet so the next guy has a harder political time of it.Report
My husband used to listen to Dave Ramsey and it used to infuriate me because caller after caller was like “we make 200k jointly and we need to pay off our student loans and our home loan and on these rentals I own and I have $1500 in credit card debt, and the first thing we’re going to do is not go to Disneyland this year!”. I would just throw up my hands because none of them were actual poor people, they were rich people with a lot of earning power who were all excited to do this fun program. Just as you say, a program they were able to do ONLY because they had the mental toolbox and the time in which to do it.
Again and again I see more will to lend a hand to the Corn Syrup Manufacturers of America than to create any program to actually assist families in generationally rising out of poverty. It’s infuriating.Report
I want to share some statistics from the annual report on the characteristics of households receiving food stamps later when I have time, because I’m not sure you realize how nonrepresentative your family was, but first I want to talk about potatoes. I know you said potatoes are okay, but they’re not okay. They’re not a necessary evil that you have to eat when you’re poor at the cost of your health. Potatoes are great!
Everyone thinks they’re just empty calories because they’re white and starchy, but unlike other white starchy foods (polished rice, refined wheat, etc.) a potato is a whole food containing all the nutrients a young potato plant needs to grow big and strong. Fortunately, this has a lot of overlap with the nutrients humans need to grow big and strong.
Yes, carbohydrates, but you have to get your energy from somewhere, and it’s either going to be carbohydrate or fat. Technically protein can be burned for energy, but you really want to be using protein to build tissue and use other macronutrients for energy. Eating large amounts of fructose is problematic because the liver’s ability to process it is limited, but starch is generally fine as long as you’re not consistently in energy surplus. Insulin resistance is caused by overeating, not by glucose in particular.
Yes, they have a high GI index, but high-GI foods are really only a problem for people with dysfunctional glucose metabolism; a person with a healthy metabolism should be able to handle the glucose from a potato. Fructose has much lower GI than glucose, so for a while a lot of nutritional gurus were recommending fructose and/or agave nectar as a sucrose replacement, which turned out to be a really bad idea, since fructose a) screws up your gut microbiome, and b) causes hepatic insulin resistance and even fatty liver disease if consumed to excess. GI is overrated at best, and worthless if you don’t have diabetes.
Furthermore, potatoes contain an appetite suppressant (potato proteinase inhibitor 2) that causes them to be far more filling than other starchy foods. A 1995 study (Holt et al, “The Satiety Index of Common Foods”) found that potatoes were, calorie for calorie, the most filling of the 38 foods tested—significantly more filling than beef or fish, and more than three times as filling as white bread. Anecdotally, whenever I add potatoes to something I’m cooking, it always ends up being far more filling than I expected. French fries may be fattening, because foods which combine fat and carbohydrates tend to promote overeating, but if you want to lose weight, the best thing you can do is fill up on baked, steamed, or boiled potatoes.
Also, if you cook potatoes refrigerate them overnight, and then reheat them, some of the starch gets converted to retrograde starch, which reduces calories and feeds good gut bacteria.
In summary, eat all the potatoes you want. They’re cheap, they’re nutritious, and they’re filling. 8 million 19th-century Irishmen can’t be wrong! Just…uh…have a backup plan in case of blight.Report
Potatoes are fantastic. Agree fully. Standing ovation.
I think the issue is that many poor people eat the box of mashed potato flakes and augratin potatoes instead of the real deal, and I can’t blame them because real potatoes spoil and are hard to store and carry home from the store in enough quantity to last even a week, let alone longer.Report
For the longest time, I thought I was doing something wrong that my potatoes never lasted because I always thought potatotes were supposed to last forever if you just stuck them in a dark cupboard and kept them away from the onions (who also need a dark cupboard but a separate dark cupboard because apparently onions and potatoes don’t get along). It is very comforting to hear that potatoes are actually harder to keep than I thought.
Also, I’m with you on rice. I’ve never successfully cooked a pot of regular ol’ rice. It didn’t seem to matter what I did… I always failed. I was reduced to using quick bagged rice but a colleague who hails from a culture where rice is king bought me a rice maker because she couldn’t accept my rice woes.Report
Once when I was real little and my dad was working the concessions at the local stadium, he brought home what must have been a bag of a couple dozen leftover ballpark hot dogs. It was the highlight of the year – we all got hot dogs for dinner, and then we had cut up hot dogs in our dinners for the next week. Mac and cheese with cut up hot dogs. Yum.
Your tastes change based on how you grew up and what you eat. I grew up doing fine, but without a ton of money to spare (parents got married young and were scraping by early on). My wife’s family has been well-off since she was born. I’m still used to the taste of canned green beans, reconstituted powdered milk, and all the other cheap stuff we lived on when I was a kid. It took work to adjust to a different diet, but I’m still not completely au courant with the current upper class food norms, even as I’ve moved classes. Can’t stand kale, don’t blame anyone else for not wanting it.Report
Re: Kale – Totally agree, raw Kale is just fresh picked sadness. There is no joy in eating it.
That said, if you take Kale, toss it in a bowl with some olive oil, lemon juice, and salt, and massage it all together for a few minutes, the salt and acid will counter the bitterness (it’s a chemical reaction that alters the molecule that makes it taste like crap). You get the nutritional benefits of Kale without the sadness.
Like wise if you cook Kale into a dish with salt and acid. Like a baked pasta. I made a frittata (not a baked pasta, I know) with Kale the other night and it was really good.
Anyway, it’s not a hopeless green, it’s just not the be-all folks want to pretend it is.Report
I actually like other greens despite the bitterness, it’s the texture of kale that gets me. It’s like eating chopped up printer paper.Report
Massaging/cooking takes care of that as well.
It’s a crap leaf to eat raw.Report
A piece of trivia that was popular back in 2015 was that, prior to the kale health boom thing, Pizza Hut was the largest purchaser of kale in the country.
It used it as decoration to make their salad bars look pretty.
It wasn’t *THAT* long ago that kale was considered food tinsel.Report