Welcome to Ordinary Times 3.0
As you may have noticed, some things have changed around here.
We are pleased as punch with the new look and once we had it together we couldn’t wait to release it. That said, it was born out of necessity and not a displeasure with the existing design which we liked and still like. There were a couple issues that the new site resolves.
Why We Did It
The first is manageability. I am not a webpage designer and the things that made the old design great were often the things that I couldn’t manage. It was mostly designed by CK Macleod, who is a WordPress programmer professionally, and the rest held over from Erik Kain. Both of these people are far better with websites than I am, which created a problem when I took over: I couldn’t adequately maintain the site. There was always a fear that something could break and I would be completely and entirely unable to fix it. It existed in a black box of code that I couldn’t read. I could run a WordPress site, but not this one. And considering I was the most qualified person to do any of this, that needed to change.
The second issue was hosting As you have picked up on, we’ve had a lot of hosting issues in recent years. The intricate nature of the WordPress installation that it was running on was such that it was taking up too much in the way of resources. Hosts either didn’t want to deal with it and wouldn’t help us or in a couple cases actually canceled or declined our business unless we were willing to get on a plan that was (or should have been) far more what our site could justify. The database on the old design was about 1.6gb in size and the new one is about 850mb. The size of the old one could be brought down, but only using tools I was afraid to use because if something went wrong I couldn’t fix it.
We’d had the idea that we would just design this site and keep it in our back pocket until such a time as we found a new host or the existing site just collapsed. An insurance policy. As I started to design it, put it together, and see what it looked like I decided I didn’t really want to wait. Partially for that reason, and partially because it meant maintaining two website designs instead of one. I asked the editorial team what they thought, and they were on board.
What We Did
This part was tricky. There was no one aspect of the previous site that was causing problems. To use FastComet (our host from December 2017 to July or so of last year) benchmarks, their top-tier shared hosting plan did not allow for databases above 1024mb and on the old design ours was roughly 1600. The bandwidth limit on their unlimited bandwidth plan was 90gb per month and a site with our traffic should have been using about 40gb and instead we were anywhere from 70-100gb, which is less about database size than site design. So if the database is a problem and the design is a problem, what do we do?
Well, new design, new database. While my PHP skills are not great, one thing I can do is databases. I even have experience with database manipulation on WordPress specifically. I had to upgrade Hit Coffee from WP 1.5 to 3.7 and there were no tools to do so. I basically had to go into the database, find the data I wanted, and put it into the database of the new site. I created a command sequence of 38 steps and it was done. So this project was going to be like that one but on a far more massive scale. But the short version is that I created a new site, I wrote the command sequences to transfer the specific data that I wanted (most notably post and comment content), and then left the rest behind. The longer version involves 213 queries accounting for all of the data we needed without bringing in unnecessary data or worse, data that might bring over some of the system complexity that I was deliberately leaving behind.
On top of all of that, I had to put together an ambitious website and replicate as many of the features as possible.
What This Means
Unless something goes dramatically wrong and I have to revert back to the old one until I fix it, it means that this is the new site! Unfortunately, some of the features of the site were inevitably lost in the process. Some we’ll get back, some we probably won’t. The good news, though, is that by having a site that is manageable we can start making improvements. Michael Cain has been tasked with bringing back as many of the old features as possible. We both have clone sites that we can do all manner of experimentation with without disrupting site operations. We may be starting from behind, but we now have the ability to move forward.
And hopefully, the new look will make visiting the site a more enjoyable experience.
Who Helped
A lot of people helped, but I want to call out a few people in particular. The first is the editorial team. They have just been amazing since I have taken over and have really stepped up over the last couple of weeks. Especially Andrew Donaldson, who has more or less taken point on the processing and scheduling of posts so that I could focus on the backend stuff. Second, Michael Cain has agreed to learn more about WordPress and work on the site features. While his work has not been implemented yet, that he is working on it allowed me to move forward with more basic site functionality and design. And lastly, CK Macleod who left the site a long time ago but has been there for all of the questions I had about the site’s previous design and WordPress more generally. Maybe I could have gotten through all of this without him and maybe not, but if not for him we would not be at our launch date. He also remains responsible for many of the site’s features, from Ten Second News to image handling.
And, of course, you all. While CK and Erik did an amazing job programming the site, the important thing has always been the content itself, both in the posts and the comments. The site is mostly a way to facilitate that. You made this a site worth devoting a lot of time to.
What Now?
Now we see what went wrong. For instance, load times appear to be very slow. This happened on some of the test-runs and self-corrected, and in others did not self-correct. We’ll have to see what happens there. If it doesn’t self-correct, I will keep working and plugging away at it until I see why it’s happening on this version and not (most of) the other version(s).
Looks like the speed issue was indeed self-correcting.Report
Most likely a matter of getting the various post-change caches properly populated.Report
I should have had more faith that some of the immediate issues would self-resolve. I think I was sensitive on this one in particular because I lost about four hours trying to track down something inexplicably adding five seconds to every load page.Report
Oooh… like getting a new game or app… have to play with all the settings. Thanks for doing this.Report
You’re still pixilating though, or is that an outside environmental issue?Report
Pixilation is usually a product of the image being used. Which is to say that it’s a quality control issue – the sort that you get when you have a bunch of volunteers and you restrict image usage to public domain and the most obvious feature images.
That said, feature images selection among the things I would really like to improve on this site for a variety of reasons. So you might see some improvement in the future.Report
I thought Marchmaine was doing on purpose, since his gravatar is the only one doing it. Maybe it was clear I was responding to him?
Everything looks great so far.Report
Sorry, yeah, I had missed the context.Report
I’m emojified.Report
I like the new look!Report
I have a years long tradition at this point of hating every new revamp of the site. So, since we have many traditionalists here, i’ll stick with that. Of course give it half a day and i wont’ be able to remember what the old site looked like. Thanks to all for all the hard work.Report
This. I’m in the same boat but I know better than to critique a site I make no contribution to beyond commenting. Thanks to everyone present and past who keeps the lights on around here.Report
While I am totally in the Garth Elgar camp on things (“We fear change”), the new site does look good. Now let’s see if I can figure out how to navigate it…Report
Ugh. Maybe I’m gonna have to figure out how to upload a photo or something for an avatar, because that deformed Patrick Star face I’m getting as the random avatar bugs me.Report
http://www.gravatar.com !Report
let’s give this a try now…Report
Hooray. Fillyjonk hiding in a blanket fort instead of that weird blobface thing.Report
They say you should deliver criticism in a compliment sandwich. I like the overall look, the thin grey text against a slightly lighter grey background is borderline unreadable, and I’m happy that the loading speed is improved.Report
Any improvement?Report
Better for me (could use even more contrast and/or thicker font for my tastes). Comments could be darker too.
I’m still trying to decide if the dark sidebar on left is more or less distracting…Report
I’ll vote for another step darker on the text. About like the countdown timers on the edit clock.Report
On which text? The comment text? That was the one thing I hadn’t made darker. But it’s darker now.Report
Ooh, I like it. This is the only site in the world where you complain and people respond.Report
The new format really looks nice, contemporary, and slick. I’m getting no pixellation, no particular loadtime delays, and the ease of the new site is as strong as the old one. Getting something like this done was a goal I’d had for my own editorship and it was well beyond my own abilities — I am chuffed and proud and happy for you that you got this done. Three cheers for EIC Will Truman!Report
Thumbs up on the new look.
edit to add – it does definitely seem faster too.Report
One interesting thing. the You May Also Like on each current post goes to a wide variety of posts from all eras.
(one other thing I don’t know is easy or hard, a ‘remember me’ in the comment boxes may be useful?)Report
The EU passed some sort of reg that I think really disincentivizes remembering stuff. If it seems like a lot of websites have gotten bad about that lately, that’s why (WordPress in particular has gotten really bad. I seem to have to log in once every day or two now).
There are plugins and such and I have my eye on one that would do this and a lot more. I can’t quite get it to work, though, and would need to raise the funds to buy it.Report
Yeah, the EU’s General Data Protection Regulation (often referred to as “the right to be forgotten”). It also includes their rule requiring sites in the EU or targeting residents of the EU to put up notices about the use of HTTP cookies. One of the consequences has been software that is used in the EU is starting to avoid any casual retention of data that could be considered personal information.Report
The new look is more aesthetic than the old one and the most important thing is that our management can manage it. That’s good.
Recent comments is bustimicated, though.Report
Come on, JB, you can write a better trouble ticket than that :^)Report
site is broken, I already rebooted, call my deskReport
As in it is not as cool and useful as it used to be or as in it is not conveying the most recent comments at all?Report
When I hover over the “recent comments” link, it shows the following:
http://recent%20comments/
Going there, I’m sure you won’t be surprised to hear, takes me nowhere.Report
Huh, under “community”, the link to “commentarium” works perfectly.
So I guess I’ll start using that.Report
“Recent Comments” now takes you to Commentoreum.Report
Sweet. Thank you!Report
It’s the opposite for me – ‘recent comments’ was really erratic recently, sometimes refreshing right, often not, but now looks to be working a ok.Report
Rats. I thought we got that fixed a week or so ago.Report
Maybe you did? My timing could be off.Report
Okay, here’s an odd one… When hovering over the icon for the right sidebar, with the sidebar collapsed, the pop-up explanation says “Expand Sidebar”. With the sidebar expanded the icon changes appropriately, but the pop-up still says “Expand Sidebar”.Report
Site looks great, y’all.Report
The new design looks great but it’s broken. I can’t find Russell Saunder’s Oscars live stream anywhere.Report
Looks great! Thanks all for everything you do.Report
Do we need to use the “login” feature for anything?Report
No. The old one had a button located at the top and I just moved it to the header menu.Report
HTML tags work if you’re including a link, but it doesn’t work for italics.
testing for bold
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What if we do strong and em?Report
Okay, so apparently you have to use those instead of the usual “b” and “i”.Report
You mean I’m going to have to get our of pre-1999-era HTML habits? What is this communist radicalism?Report
Hm, I’m not getting the opportunity to edit comments. Now everyone will know how bad I am at touchscreen swipe typing.Report
Oh, and my most recent comment further down did get an edit countdown. Thanks Michael if you just fixed that!Report
Yeah, this new site discriminates against Gen-Xers.Report
Trying the “em” tag.
Trying the “strong” tag.Report
Trying the
striketag, since that’s sometimes useful for humor.ReportWoohoo!That’s nice.ReportTrying the “pre” tag:
Random use of blanks.
Trying the “code” tag:
ReportRandom use of blanks and stuff.
So <code> gets a mono-spaced font, but there doesn’t appear to be a way to do multiple blanks, so no simple preformatted tables.
ReportFirst 2 2 3
Second 12 23 45
Third 8 9 175
Well, sort of. The <code> tags survive. How that renders is a local decision. Converting spaces to non-breaking spaces makes it possible to build a table, but it’s tedious. I may be the only one here who cares about little tables.Report
Thank you for testing this stuff out.
This will be useful as heck.Report
CO2
Doesn’t look like subscript tags survive. Would have been surprising if they had.Report
I like the new look a lot. It looks good on desktop and is especially good on phone screens. The text and background colours & fonts are easy for me to read.
One thing I liked about the old design was how easily you could track down what a comment was replying to, even when there were lots of comments between the two. Too soon to tell whether this will be the case in the new design. The thread here doesn’t have a lot of mini essays and counteressays…Report
Working on it. I’m a fan of CK’s comment boxes where you could pop up the full comment text, jump to the comment in context, jump to the comment it was in reply to in context, jump to the top of the post, or access the author’s comment archive. Making them play nice with the new theme is more work, on more levels, than I thought it would be. (That’s a criticism of me, not CK.)Report
If there is one lost feature that I could get back, it would be this. Unfortunately, I’m not sure how we’re going to be able to get the universal Reply-To back, but it is among the highest priorities.Report
This looks pretty rad.Report
OK, still digging the look and feel, but I can’t seem to get into the dashboard to see my submitted guest post. After savagely dunking on myself for neglecting it, I decided to be the change I wanted to see by editing it, and alas.Report
Try again.Report
“Related Post Roulette” is a marvelous section heading.Report
Like the new look. A couple of questions:
1. Has the WYSIWYG comment box gone away?
2. Same with being able to call out commenters with the @.Report
1) For the short-term and maybe medium-term future, probably. We’re exploring some comment box options.
2) For right now, but finding better conversation plugins (including Reply-To links and this) is a priority.Report
@slade-the-leveller Any chance this worked? (cc @will-truman)Report
I like the new look a lot in general. Not so crazy about the Commentariat section as opposed to the State of Discussion. In particular, there’s no indication of what a comment is in reply-to. I had gotten into a habit of mostly following convos via SoD and that doesn’t really work now.Report
Yeah, that’s by far the biggest loss. One of the reasons I brought Michael Cain in on this is I figured he would be one of the people most motivated to getting it working again. Seems like he’s making progress. So… I think we’ll get there.Report
GTK. Not really related to the site redesign but something I’ve been wanting to ask about for some time now. You have the checkboxes for “Notify of new posts” and “Notify of follow-up comments”. The latter hasn’t worked for me for the last year or two. Did that get axed for bandwidth issues or some other reason or is it peculiar to me?Report
Does it present errors or just not deliver the emails?Report
Just doesn’t deliver. I DO get emails for new posts.
Update: While writing this comment I got a wild hair and went to the Subscription Management page and unfollowed all the old post comments pn the theory that I mau be over-subscribed. They went back to May of 2012, so now we know when I started interacting here. That would be about right when my wife was finishing chemo.Report
Update2: Having screwed around with the WordPress comment subscription page I seem to have broken it completely (for me). Now I don’t get any notifications at all. I didn’t receive any New Post emails yesterday (2/26) despite making a couple comments and checking both boxes.Report
Possibly a question you have answered several times, but I loved the “Go to New Comments” feature/ That way I could follow the different subthreads without having to read every comment gain every time.
If that is not possible to have, then perhaps chronological but numbered comments, like in Crooked Timber, might workReport
It can take me a bit to get used to changes that I in fact like, so I waited a few days to see if my initial impressions were durable, or if just reactive. Reviewing the comments at this point, I think they are all positive, maybe with a quibble here or there.
My reaction, both initial and considered, is that the overall effect of this layout is too busy and redundant. Three columns packed with information don’t give the eye any natural place to go. Additionally, post titles can appear in up to 4 different places at the same (not counting the comment section).
At first all this made it all but impossible for my old, damaged brain to navigate. Now I have learned where to focus to filter out some of the extra information, but it is still difficult. It really is an access issue for me, and I suspect for other readers, both current and potential.
I hope that as you continue to work on the site you will consider changes that produce a cleaner layout. Thanks for all you do here. I really value OT and hope I will be able to continue to participate.Report
Better late than never, I love the new site thanks for all your hard work Will and the editors behind the scenes. One thing every time I see “Commentareum” I suddenly have Metallica playing in my headReport