Atticus Finch Is Still a Decent Man
Here’s the thing about Atticus Finch: above all, he was (is) a decent man. Living up to that standard of decency was precisely what enables him to act, perhaps unwittingly, as a civil rights hero in To Kill A Mockingbird. And the limitations of that standard—what it didn’t (or couldn’t) preclude—is why he is nonetheless able to oppose the Civil Right Movement itself in Go Set A Watchman, which was released today.
This decency is why I doubt that no one who has ever known a decent Southerner, particularly one of Finch’s (or even Harper Lee’s) generation, would be at all surprised to find that both men could be contained in the same individual. The tension between what decency enables us to lift ourselves toward, and what it can at the same time allow us to remain indifferent to—at least where it intersects with race—is the plot of the life-story of just about every Southern liberal or moderate I can imagine (and quite a few conservatives, as well).
When we meet Atticus Finch in To Kill a Mockingbird, we encounter him through the eyes of a child—and, typically, as little more than children ourselves. From the child’s perspective, decency looks an awful lot like righteousness. So this tension, too, is found in the plots of many—perhaps even most—narratives about parents and children. No one is ever quite who they seem, because who they seem to be depends on how we interpret appearances. Philip Roth writes continually of the discovery that decent and right, or good, or just are not always synonyms. And in that moment of eternal rediscovery, you can come to understand how when his characters rage they are being consumed not by hatred, but by genuine love for their families, or for America—and how the same holds for Faulkner’s Quentin Compson and the South which he, too, did note hate.
(For two takes on Go Set A Watchman that are both longer and more incisive than my own, go read the two Adams: Gopnik and Kirsch.)
There ought to be a one-week lag between a book coming out and these discussions. I’m still working through Mockingbird before I get to Watchman.Report
I’ve seen the movie, of course, as have (I hope) all lawyers; I admit to my mortification that I’ve never read Mockingbird.Report
I mean, I’ve probably seen at least 3/4 of it in pieces. Does that count, or do you need to go ahead and contact the relevant disciplinary bodies?Report
No, @don-zeko , you’re in substantial compliance.Report
I remember reading and enjoying it whenever I read it in school. I re-read it a few summers ago and was floored by what a truly great book it is. Go read it, Likko.Report
Not even in middle or high school? I thought it was a standard reading in most public schools.Report
Standard reading is so large that you miss stuff unless they cram way too much down your throat.
I’ve never read Catcher in the Rye.Report
Scout is really the Silk Spectre!!!Report
Can’t be. Scout is a WASPy Southern Protestant and the Silk Spectre is a Polish-American Catholic that is ashamed of her ethnic heritage.Report
Didn’t think about that. I’ve had the Atticus Finch reveal spoiled for me by a new headline on the NYT website every day for about the last week and a half, so I figured it wouldn’t be a big deal…Report
I didn’t mean spoilers. I just meant that by the time I’m ready to talk about it, the conversation will have moved on!Report
Atticus Finch is a sled.Report
Write it anyhow. it wont’ stop me reviewing Interstellar (or Tootsie) when I have the time.Report
What is interesting is that Harper Lee wrote Go Set a Watchman first. An editor or agent thought that the flashback sequence was the most interesting part and had her spend two years to rewrite and expand that section. What emerged was To Kill a Mockingbird.
I wonder if Go Set a Watchman was already a cliche kind of story in the late 1950s or early 60s.Report
The Gopnik piece I link to actually engages with that — both the question of cliches and that of earlier drafts.
The spoiler for that essay is that Gopnik thinks this wasn’t written before Mockingbird, but that it appears more likely that this is a revised version of that early novel, from the late 1960s/early 1970s.Report
I havent’ read it yet, but I think the issue would be that at the time it would be too much in the vein of a Robert Penn Warren or Peter Taylor, and apologetic to the south and jim crow. But Mockingbird captures the zeitgeist of the Civil rights movement, without any ambiguity.Report
Also, Stephen Carter has a great Essay on the book.Report
Dude!Report
Indeed. I’m positively chuffed to see our man J.L. Wall posting!Report
Me too, though I’m less pleased to see you appropriating chuffed! *lights a torch*Report
Thanks, all (including Gabriel, later on in the comments), for the kind words.Report
My comment was going to be “J.L. Wall!!!” Happy y’all beat me to it, though.Report
The Philip Roth analogy is interesting because people really misunderstand his relationship with his parents. Most people assume that Philip Roth had a troublesome relationship with his parents because of Portnoy’s Complaint, which people assume is an autobiographical comedy. Most people with a more comprehensive understanding of Roth understands that he adored his parents. I think the real reason Philip Roth wrote the Plot Against America was to demonstrate to the world what he really thought about his parents. Philip Roth’s parents are basically the heroes of the book even and through the eyes of a fictional ten year old Philip Roth we get to know how Philip Roth actually sees his parents.Report
We’re in really substantial agreement on Roth. To kind of elaborate part of the point I was making above, I think the disillusionment/anger most of his novels present toward parents/families is deeply related toward the disappointment/disillusionment/anger his later novels present about post-WW2 America’s failure to live up to a particular breed of (New Deal, Jewish[?]) liberal ideals. Though I wonder if his frustration with the Left was more from the parent’s perspective than the child’s.
Anyway, on THE PLOT AGAINST AMERICA: it’s by far the sweetest and sincerest of his novels. Not only is it perhaps showing something closer to how he “really” feels about his parents, there’s the final explanation the novel offers for why the Lindberghs became Nazi puppets (which it seems to settle on as most likely, at least in my reading): [SPOILER, I guess, for those who care] — that they were desperate parents doing what any desperate parents would do to save their child’s life.Report
The Plot Against America gets a lot of detractors because most people evaluate it through the lens of counter factual history rather than literary fiction. As a counter-factual history, the Plot Against America isn’t that great but as a literary novel it works wonders. The novel is more about the parent-child relationship than a military coup in the United States.Report
@j-l-wall @leeesq
I find that Philip Roth is a novelist that people either love or hate. It seems currently fashionable for younger literary types to dismiss him as a raging sexist pig and nothing else. Notice the debate about whether he deserves the Nobel prize. I have gotten into arguments about whether American Pastoral is a great novel or just a piece of sexist shit.
His defenders (like myself) see him as belonged to an inbetween stage of American Jewishness. He was too old to be a boomer/hippie/counter-culture hero but too young to fight in WWII. He was old enough to remember active anti-Semitism but too young to remember living in a Lower East Side slum. His upbringing seems to be lower-middle class to middle-class and not the comfortable middle-class and upper-middle class that many post-WWII boomer Jews grew up in.
I think a lot of younger Jews and partially Jewish Americans are among the first generations of Jews to grow up without experiencing too much anti-Semitism. By contrast, I’ve known Boomer Jews who could talk about losing jobs because of their Jewishness. We would find it inconceivable today that Feynman could write something about not getting into Columbia because the quota was filled so he had to go to M.I.T.Report
J. L. Wall:
I haven’t read the OP or the comments yet (but I will), but I just wanted to say it’s really nice to see you around again!Report
I teach TKaMB in my 8th grade class, but I must say, I have been uninspired to read this. I know that I really should before the start of the school year, but there is a stack of worthy books sitting on my bed stand….Report
When I think of To Kill a Mockingbird, the first thing I think of is the previous title of the book:
“A Black person can only be saved by a Southern White Man (or Woman, if she is the author)”.
But, then, he isn’t saved, is he? But, oh that wonderful White Man – Atticus Finch! And Harper Lee, what a great author!
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I think my perception of this book is very different from all of yours. This is a book that makes Whites feel better about themselves, and makes Blacks feel worse about themselves.Report
This is a plausible but very cynical reading of To Kill a Mockingbird that can only come from a certain spectrumReport
Ummmmm, no. It’s actually a fairly common reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Kill_a_Mockingbird#Social_commentary_and_challenges
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My rejoinder is that even though To Kill a Mockingbird is a novel about racial injustice, it is also an autobiographical novel about a white girl growing up in the Great Depression South and her relationship with her father. This means that many of the social attitudes that white people in the South had towards African-Americans are going to be present and that the novel is going to reflect the mores of white Southern society to shine through. Getting angry at the presence of the N-word in To Kill a Mocking Bird is like being filed with rage at Jew-hating characters spewing Jew hatred in novel about anti-Semitism like Malamud’s The Fixer.Report
You really don’t understand this do you?
Let’s just leave this here. Agreed?Report
What does this kind of analysis conclude about Huckleberry Finn? (Not intended as a gotcha; I’m really interested.)Report
Well, for me personally, it is a difficult inclusion. I like Mr. Clemens quite a bit. Yet, he is grouped with the others. As I wrote below to Jaybird:
I was careful to include Twain immediately after the subject author (incorrectly written as Harper, when it should have been Lee. Alas, I am me.). If there is any extra judiciousness afforded Mr. Clemens, perhaps it is his astute awareness of his own involvement and benefit from these discussions. I’ll take self-awareness. He wrote more than just the one book, as well, so it’s not a really balanced comparison. Calculus and Arithmetic. She doesn’t have the Sum over Histories, I suppose.
Hey, I’m biased. Just not as bad as you all. 😉Report
Huck doesn’t save Jim, other than by not turning him in. In fact, at the end of the book, he and Tom actively get in Jim’s way, though it turns out Jim was free all along; actually, if we want to make any sense out of the story, we should skip everything from when Huck meets Aunt Sally. If anything, Jim saves Huck, though not in any Magic Black Man sense; just by being a decent person and a good friend, he leads Huck to reject the racism he grew up with.Report
Yes, I think that is a good reading. I’ve always felt that Huck and Jim save each other, if there’s any saving going on. Tom mostly works to complicate things in the ways he thinks adults complicate things.
My issue is that, as good as this story is, it’s written by a white man to try to tell us something about being a black man. That’s fine, as far as it goes. But, as a country, why don’t we celebrate black voices as loud as we do the white ones? Why do we need a white man or white woman to tell us how it is to be black?
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David Brooks, our national disgrace, wrote a column that boggles the mind about one of our new black voices – TNC (find it yourself, no link from me). We’re still holding these voices down, as a country. Everyone is guilty.Report
The reason to read Twain isn’t tell black people how it was to be black. The reason to read Twain is due to his outstanding contribution to American literature. All of what came after him owes him a due. If i remember correctly there are black authors who say exactly that. In terms of what to learn about race we won’t learn about what black people thought from Twain and he wasn’t even likely a representative American from his time.Report
I agree, greginak. However, he is also revered for what he has to say about race, no?
In my opinion, the reason to read Twain is because he is Twain. Nobody like him. One of my favorite writers. He does have some good things to say, even or especially about race. That’s great. Let’s find those black voices to praise, too.Report
Ah. I see Huck Finn as a story trying to tell us something about being a white man. We’re the ones who have to choose whether to say “All right, then, I’ll go to hell”.Report
Well, there’s a reason for the choice that Huck makes, isn’t there? And, there’s a reason for the choices that Jim makes, too. But, how hard it is for many to see those same things that Huck sees.
How many would say “All right, then, I’ll go to hell” and tear up the paper?Report
And I forgot to say:
Long time no see. It’s always a pleasure,Report
No, it would be like being forced to read the Canturbury Tales.
The otherization of the black man is not substantively different than the Jews in those writings.Report
This is a take about the book that I hadn’t encountered before (though, granted, I’ve not spent much time with the book since high school).
And now I’m wondering what a book that worked would look like.
Would it make black people feel better about themselves and white people feel worse? Afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted?
What would that look like?
The first thought is something like a mixture of Kafka’s Metamorphosis and Groundhog Day.
Set the book in the same setting but open with “When Atticus Finch woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed into a Negro.”
And take it from there. Day one, he walks out of his hut with his head held high looking to resolve this problem. Dies, one way or another.
Wake up again. Play the day again.
Kill him for a week. Kill him for a month. Demonstrate that acting like Atticus Finch with black skin will result in his death.
So, through trial and error, he is trained to walk around town or to have conversations or to interact with others. Along the way, show small moments of transcendent beauty with some small interactions with other Black folks. A meal, a story, a prayer, a song (watch out, this needs to be handled delicately… can’t just be magical negroes walking around giving our protagonist life lessons).
Then how to end it (after 10,000 years of Day 1)? Wake up the next day? White skin or black skin? If black skin, do it again and end with the realization that he has to get through another 10,000 years of Day 2? If white skin, going out and realizing that everyone has internalized the lessons that it took him 10,000 years to learn? A split second of eye contact in a storefront window or mirror somewhere tells him that everyone he encounters is going through what he went through? End it like The Lady and the Tiger?Report
A little like The Wire, except with more of an emphasis on “cultural restrictions” rather than organizational game theory. “Stand By Me” does a decent job talking about cultural restrictions, without coming out and outright speechifying about the whole lot.
Did you like Depression Quest?Report
I never played Depression Quest.
I thought that The Wire did good job of saying “the system itself is so screwed up that it’s no use feeling bad about it”.
Not because I’ve seen it, mind. But because of the gushing praise that it has received from every single corner. It make make comfortable the afflicted… but it also seems to make comfortable the comfortable.Report
You should watch it now, they’re finally releasing it in HD.
And it’s not saying that the system is so screwed up that…
It does a good job of showing “The Game”… and of course,
where there’s money and demand, you’ve got business.
(to change the rules on sticky illegal drugs, it does need to be large scale).
But the game can be played on the quiet, or it can be played loud and proud.
And the wire does a good job of showing how both are reacted to by the rest of society…
(I may see this differently, as I know people… in “law enforcement”).Report
So did Simon. It was more that point of view than any other.Report
I can certainly see that viewpoint, and I don’t blame anyone for saying “that’s a book for white people”.
I also don’t think that *necessarily* negates the artistry or quality of the story. It just makes it a story perhaps best suited to a particular audience.
Let’s say there was a novel about a Westerner who goes to a religiously-repressive Middle Eastern country; while there, they are falsely-accused of corrupting/defiling a local.
Maybe this local (or someone else) made a false accusation; maybe the Westerner and the local were having a consensual love affair – doesn’t matter, the Westerner (and maybe the local, depending) is going to be stoned in the public square, next week.
A local attorney takes the case to defend the Westerner, against great opposition from his countrymen and co-religionists. Despite the attorney’s best efforts, the Westerner is killed anyway, disillusioning the lawyer (and/or the narrator of the story).
Even if the Westerners in this story are thinly-drawn in comparison to heroic Local Lawyer, and there are repeated epithets about the godless and decadent Westerners from the local characters, is this a worthless story, or one which should make Westerners feel bad?
Or is it just a story that people from a particular culture still might want (or need) to hear?
It’s been many years since I read Mockingbird, but I certainly recall it being a book about fostering empathy and resisting Othering (Scout finally realizing that Boo was not the monster the kids had imagined him to be), and about standing up for the right thing, even against peer pressure and hopeless odds and stacked systems.
I can certainly understand, for various reasons, the book failing to resonate with black people.
But I feel the best response to that is not so much to tear Mockingbird down for what it is not; but instead to point to (or create) a story that better tells the story you feel is being left untold by it.Report
And now I’m wondering what a book that worked would look like.
Would it make black people feel better about themselves and white people feel worse? Afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted?
I like your ideas.
I often wonder what story, book, film, art could make a statement about race that would reach all races in the same, or very similar, way. I have ideas, but, firstly, I have no way of really knowing how a story will hit another person, let alone another race, in spite of my occasional certainty otherwise. Secondly, I think that many (not all) of these stories are not really about race. They are about allowing people to feel less guilty – “I feel just like Atticus Finch – I’m no racist!”.
Ultimately, these books (Harper, Twain, Stowe, Griffin, et al) are written by white people trying to tell us important things about race. This is my complaint – that only a White Person can save a Black Person. It’s the same as mansplaining in my book. It’s not that they don’t have important things to say, it’s that America only trusts White Men (with a few exceptions) as the means of Teaching Important Things.
I really like The Shawshank Redemption, and I think the redemption is really about Red. But, the film still bothers me because there is so much that points to White People as the source of Red’s redemption and ultimate freedom (Andy, Brooks, etc.).Report
One of my pet theories about Sahwshank is that Andy DuFresne is meant to be something like Christ, descending into the world of sinners and to show them the way to escape their own hell, as Christ supposedly “harrowed” hell after his crucifiction, with the harrowing itself being an analogy to his supposed role in coming to earth to redeem its inhabitants. Andy’s sin is “original” to himself: he didn’t kill his wife, but because of his own character he drove her into a situation where she was killed by another, just as Christ supposedly was without sin but contained in himself the human propensity for sin. (I assume this is a highly contested theological point and I’m sure I’m messing it up somehow.) Along the way, Andy performs several “miracles”: he introduces the prisoners to opera; he smites the evil spirits that rule the prison (the “sisters” and eventually the warden); he turns hard labor into
winebeer; he teaches the illiterate to read….….and he saves Red. I don’t think it’s wrong to read the story as the white guy coming to prison to save the black guy and to note the implicit argument that’s there. I think that’s a function of the fact of race and racism in our society, and all my theorizing about the “harrowing of hell” analogy can’t undo that.
By the way, I know others have said it, but it’s nice to see you around here again.Report
Work about race that reaches all races the same – Let This Be Your Last Battlefield?
But it is a very simplistic and naked allegory on the issue – by modern standards almost absurdly simplistic.Report
“that reaches all races the same” – this is kind of what I was trying to get at in my comment above (which I appear to have misthreaded as a reply to @jaybird instead of @john-howard-griffin ) – I am not sure such a thing is possible, or even desirable (since some people may need to hear certain messages more loudly/clearly than others).Report
I am not sure such a thing is possible, or even desirable (since some people may need to hear certain messages more loudly/clearly than others).
Yes, precisely. This is where I end up when thinking about it.
Further, I think that for some parts of a story, one group of people would hear it in one way while another group would hear the exact OPPOSITE way. Finally, one of the groups that would be most important to reach would be those least likely to change (or even listen), or most set in their ways. Reaching that group is a very different proposition. Tote baggers would be easy. It’s the Rollin’ Coal, Confederate Flag waving ones that would be slightly more difficult.Report
“When Atticus Finch woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed into a Negro.”
You’re suggesting that as a book idea to someone who calls himself John Howard Griffin.Report
You are the sharpest knife in a box of nuts and bolts.Report
Geez, more fan-fic. What, is Atticus Finch Ozymandias’s secret identity?Report
My favorite so far is
SCOUT: “What happened to the American Dream?”
ATTICUS: “It came true. You’re lookin’ at it.”Report
If there’s one thing that’ll bring together people of all races, colors, and creeds, it’s the earth being attacked by a giant space squid.Report
Or, in the movie, Dr Manhattan.Report
All colors but blue, at least.Report
Look, I realize it may be controversial, and my opponents seem wishy-washy on the question, but when it comes to the existential threat of all life on earth being destroyed by interdimensional space squid, I for one am firmly against it.Report
You don’t want to be a squid squish.Report
I’m no sucker.Report
While too many weep and wail at the giant interdimensional space squid, their betters will learn to control it and use it to solve a host of long-simmering demographic and geographic issues. In crisis there’s also opportunity.Report
Hi George, nice to see you! I assume the interdimensional space squid has kept you busy and well in other parts of space than this one?Report