As it turns out, half may be an overstatement
This essay was originally intended for Mindless Diversions but, as you can probably tell, it veered off into dangerous territory fairly quickly… so I’m putting it here.
In the 1950’s and 1960’s, there was all sorts of a scare about “children’s programming” and the horrors of violence that kids might be subjected to by watching all of these cowboys shooting each other or cartoon cat/mice hitting each other in the face with frying pans or any number of stooges poking each other in the eyes. On top of that, the non-violent programming such as Romper Room had an issue when they had branded toys associated with their show and the hostess of the show helped pitch for them. (The Action for Children’s Television advocacy group was created to take on such underhanded acts on the part of kid’s programming.)
So. In response to this, there was a huge push for much more appropriate Children’s Programming (coming, in part, from PBS) and, well, I won’t say it as well as Mr. Rogers here will (and, for the record, John Pastore (D) was generally considered to be a pretty grumpy guy):
That was in 1969. At the same time, Sesame Street was being produced and shown and talking about such things as numbers, letters, and how to properly spit out gum when you are done chewing it (among other important skills that might fall through the cracks). The show was specially made to appeal to kids and adults at the same time by having little kid things like a song about the counting to four but to use, say, a popular singing artist who has modified the lyrics from one of her popular songs as the medium… so Mom can enjoy it too without going nuts.
Well, of course, as time went on there was a pushback to the pushback and loopholes within loopholes were found, Schoolhouse Rock found a way to make Saturday Morning television “educational” (at the low, low cost of having 50% of Saturday Morning cartoons be sponsored by breakfast cereals) and it’s not *TOO* far from there to get to the little PSAs given during GI Joe cartoons:
Hey, it’s educational, right?
Anyway, in 1990, there was finally a law passed. The Children’s Television Act pretty much said that, now, there are *STANDARDS* and you have to have three hours per week dedicated to shows that meet these standards.
And, if’n you ask me, we’re in an entirely different universe for kid’s television today than we were back then. Is there *ANY* post-CTA programming that compares to Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood or Sesame Street? I’m going through my databanks and seeing Captain Planet and the Planeteers, Out of the Box, The Wiggles, The Doodlebops, and, of course, The Teletubbies. Now, being childless, my experience of kids’ programming is less than exhaustive but I’m not finding anything that comes close to what was accomplished in the 1970’s.
More than that, I’m seeing what they’ve done to the shows from the 1970’s, specifically Sesame Street, and how they’ve turned the Snuffleupagus into a creature that the adults know is real too, Roosevelt Franklin got dropped quietly, and they’ve turned Cookie Monster into a “Cookies are a sometimes food” singing guy… which, it seems to me, misapprehends the show’s relationship to children.
My first question would be “is this accurate? Is childrens’ programming getting less good?” (and, I imagine, the childed can tell me that, no, I’ve completely missed this, or that, or the other show).
My second question is a follow-up to the first: If it is the case that it’s getting less good, *WHY*?
Disclaimer: Not a parent.
Despite my work with young children, I don’t know much, if anything, about children’s programming. However, based on what is described here, I think I can fairly comment on a broader trend in media and products for children that might be a contributing factor. In a nut shell, we’ve reached a point where nearly everything a child interacts with is supposed to work towards some greater end or noble goal. Shows can’t simply entertain, toys can’t simply be fun, and food can’t simply be tasty. SHOWS MUST TEACH, TOYS MUST STIMULATE, FOOD MUST NOURISH! All in all, I think this leads to a lowering of the quality of quite a number of products, as they attempt to shoehorn in elements that are otherwise antithetical to the item itself (Exhibit A: The linked Cookie Monster song).
Yes, it is good if SOME shows and toys and foods and whathaveyou promote a “greater good”. But it is also good, important, NECESSARY even that not all do.Report
an oatmeal cookie is quite nourishing. just ask cornell.Report
I guess my frame starts in the early 80s, probably the nadir of commercial children’s programming (everything was a commercial except Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street!), so I can’t say what things were like before, but children’s programming is pretty awesome right now. Well, at least the stuff for little kids is, we just let baby girl watch age-appropriate things.
Say what you want about it as a show for adults (it’s nauseating), but Barney is a great show for little kids. Yo Gabba Gabba! is a lot of fun. There are a bunch of good music shows that she’ll jump up and around for. I’m not sure if she’s “learning” a lot but my daughter gushes about every episode of Dinosaur Train. She’s entranced by Dora the Explorer.
But the really great thing about TV for kids is Netflix streaming and On Demand programming. We let our daughter watch an hour or so of TV a day and there’s always something there – tons of good old things, tons of new things, we’re not tied to her TV time being when her show is on, it’s when we need to keep her occupied for an hour so lunch can be cooked or a shower taken.Report
Other than Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood and Sesame Street themselves, was there any pre-CTA television that measured up to the standard set by those two classics?Report
Reading Rainbow!
“IIIIIIIIIII CAAAAAAAAAN GOOOOOOOOO ANYWHERE! Just take a look! It’s in a book! It’s Reading Rainbow!”Report
That seems quite the “other than that” exception to be making.Report
But I’d put “Schoolhouse Rock” in that category, definitely. I don’t think I learned more about civics until I was in High School.Report
Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood are the two most beloved children’s programs ever. If there’s was nothing else in those decades to compare to those programs, then lightening probably just struck twice in the late 60’s.
As for Schoolhouse Rock, you’re the one who used scare quotes when calling it educational. It wasn’t really in my experience (except on the handful of occasions when it was shown in school).Report
No, no. It was Schoolhouse Rock that made the rest of Saturday morning “educational”. We had the Superfriends and Pac Man and The Littles and, let’s face it, nothing but Saturday Morning Goodness.
It was Schoolhouse Rock that made it educational. Not anything else.Report
JB, I gotta thank you for this post. Because of it, my wife and I spent a fabulous half hour youtubing all those great Schoolhouse Rock segments: Lolly’s Adverbs, Conjuncion Junction, I am only a Bill, five-ten-fifteen-twenty-twentyfive-thirty…, the Preamble Song, etc.
Thanks.Report
Awesome. (And the collection makes a great gift…)Report
I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree, my friend.
“Sesame Street” and “Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood” were stand-outs in a vast wasteland of drek. (I also have fond memories of “3-2-1 Contact” and “The Electric Company.”) Most of the cartoons I watched as a child with delight are unwatchably bad in retrospect.
On the other hand, there are lots of shows on NickJr and Sprout that are charming and well-written. I am not a fan, but “Yo-Gabba-Gabba!” certainly has its admirers. “Blue’s Clues” and “Dora the Explorer” are both fun, and are paced perfectly for small children. I find “Little Bill” genuinely enjoyable. And most of the remaining programming is at least as good as what we grew up on, much of it better.Report
So, to use inequality as a metaphor, those two (or four) stood out not only because of their quality but because their contemporaries were of such low quality (and, today, we’re in a situation where the mean is much higher across the board)?
It still seems to me that if Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers came out today, they’d be in the top tier and would remain in a category unto themselves… for reasons above and beyond nostalgia, though.
I’ll check Little Bill out.Report
They’re still good. We just have the idea that everything back then was equally good because we’ve forgotten everything that was bad.Report
It’s like thinking that Monty Python and the Avengers (the original, with Diana Rigg. Diana Rigg. Wow. Um, what were we talking about?)
It’s like thinking that Monty Python and Upstairs, Downstairs meant that British TV was all great.Report
Oh, I know that the Hair Bears and the Super Harlem Globetrotters and Kwicky Koala (RIP, Tex Avery!) were pretty much awful.
But let’s invoke Sturgeon and note that 95% of *EVERYTHING* is crap.
It’s that 5% that I’m looking at and the cream then was creamier than the cream now. (But the argument that the crap was crappier is one that looks like it may hold up if the Crap Quotient Mean has shifted in the appropriate direction.)Report
I’m pretty sure that’s just perspective bias, JB.
The cream then wasn’t any creamier.
I’m not even sure how you score Sesame Street, it’s been on for over 40 years, well over half the lifespan of teevee as a mass medium, does the current TV crop get credit too?
It’s entirely probable that a lot of the kids’ programming today is actually more enjoyable for kids than the TV of your childhood (even the *best* stuff), how will you know? You’ll never be able to experience it as a child does. Maybe kids’ like Barney and Dora way more than they would have liked Mr. Rogers. Heck, since they can still watch Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street, why would anyone try to imitate, the new shows do different things. It’s like making a new soda, there’s no point to trying to sell anew mass-market cola when there’s already a Pepsi and a Coke out there, you need to make something else.Report
And novels were better back when Don Quixote was the only one.Report
there’s definitely some gems out there. in addition to some of the above, i’d give high marks to the octonauts, which was only picked up by disney this year. (it’s australian) my two year old is really big into cuttlefish now.Report
Thomas the Train was one of my kids’ favorites and it always seemed to have a moral dilemma in it for Thomas to work through. And, it had George Carlin narrating. Without saying any of the seven words you can’t say television.Report
And before Carlin, Ringo Starr. It was gear.Report
What is this “My Little Pony” of which I hear so much? Daughters and fathers seem to particularly enjoy watching it together. Is it merely entertainment or is there a “there” there?Report
Bronies forever!
MLP and Avatar are some good examples of quality childrens television programming. For somewhat more pure entertainment value the Thundercats reboot has been pretty sweet as well.Report
I know way too many “adult” males with no children who are into this for me to be comfortable with the whole MLP situation.Report
cripes. you should see 4chan. Proving that Rule 34 applies to everything… including children’s TV. (nothing new there, a Simpsons character got axed because people drew too much p0rn of her)Report
Umm actually I’d rather not see 4chan. Leave MLP along you evil net-trolls! *cries mascara tears*Report
I haven’t really sat down to pay attention to it (though the animation style is appealing, and people I trust say that it is a quality show), but I can say that my 3-year-old boy digs MLP.
He also really likes some of the ‘classics’ – Muppets, Tom & Jerry, Schoolhouse Rock (he loves the songs).Report
Well now it’s unfair to compare anything to The Muppet Show. Compared to Henson’s opus the entirety of modern television is junk; but compared to TMS all of the rest of television when it was running was junk too.Report
Thinking more about it, Jim Henson might be the largest outlier, like, ever.
The Muppet Show
Sesame Street
Fraggle Rock
Labyrinth
Dark Crystal
Heck, even Dinosaurs demonstrated that his memory creates better stuff than the vast majority of active people in the business.
This weird tension of creation on his part and trust in the audience.Report
Agreed entirely Jay. I get goosebumps just reading the words “Dark Crystal”. I read an “Art of Dark Crystal” book that gave all the background on the world of that movie; enrapturing. His mind was a national treasure.
Oh and *fistbumps* to Glyph.Report
Tom and Jerry seems to have a timeless appeal. It was my son’s favorite for years, along with Sponge Bob (which is both awesome and achieves a level of weirdness that the cartoons of my childhood would never have even attempted) and Sesame Street. He also enjoyed Barney and the Teletubbies, which sucked for me, because for an adult those two shows are well nigh unwatchable.
I haven’t watched Sesame Street in years, but I remember being very disturbed, when my son was young enough to watch it regularly (early 2000s mostly), that Elmo had basically taken over the show.
Relatedly, I think young adult cartoons these days range from much, much better than the ones when I was a kid to God Awful advertisements for card games.Report
I wanted to add that I was very disturbed, recently, when scrolling through Netflix Kids because my son’s little brother (his mom’s 3 year old with a different dude) was over, I learned that my son had never seen a single episode of Woody Woodpecker. Now, to some extent, this is not so bad, because Woody Woodpecker (and to a lesser extent, the old Tom and Jerry cartoons) has some serious race issues, but I still found this upsetting for some reason. My childhood was as filled with cartoons from the 40s as it was with cartoons from the 80s, so his should be too, damnit.Report
I have no love for Elmo, and Grover appears to have been largely pushed aside in his favor (and Grover, particularly super-Grover, is awesome) but I will say that they have hit on something that very small children respond to with Elmo’s design.
Whether it is the bright color or the high-pitched voice, both my kids stared and smiled. They even did this when very small (< 1 year) and even before they had ever seen the TV show (they were fascinated by Elmo dolls in the store).Report
Up up and away! *crash* Taxi!Report
Hear, hear.Report
ugh, screwed that up, that was supposed to be a reply to North re: TMS.Report
In other words, the “Hear, hear” goes there, there.Report
So far the only modern cartoon that has stuck is Lego Ninjago, undoubtedly for marketing purposes. Jack went through a brief period of enjoying Yo Gabba Gabba, but it was pretty brief. Sesame Street was huge in the 2-4 bracket in our house, but neither of them watched it much past four. Dora was Hannah’s favorite for a long while though, and Jack liked it as well when he was in the right age wheelhouse.
The other long-term favorites in my house were mostly reruns of things. The old Johnny Quest cartoons actually hold up pretty well, although there’s a couple of cringeworthy moments in there, usually Race yelling at some bad guy’s flunky. I have the Schoolhouse Rock stuff of DVD, and every once in e awhile we marathon through them. Hannah *loves* the Perils of Penelope Pitstop.
Spiderman and his Amazing Friends was a huge hit with both of them, as was the old-school Transformers (the reboot they haven’t watched at my house, anyway). Jack burned through DVD copies of Starblazers in the space of a couple of weeks when he was 6, but he hasn’t watched it since – some interesting conversations from that show.
For slapstick, they both think Popeye is a riot.Report
I don’t know if its still around or not, but when the oldest spawn was wee he would be pretty entranced by Blue’s Clues, and would answer the TV when Steve would ask him questions. I thought it was pretty great.
I’m assuming that the cartoons I might watch with my kids now, like The Venture Bros., don’t really count in this context.Report
I bear a more than passing resemblance to the dude from that show. My wife says that was part of the attraction. I try not to think about it much but I won’t watch the show with my daughter as a result.
I’m not sure how old my daughter would have to be before I’d let her watch Venture Bros., maybe 17 or 18? I’m getting chills just thinking about it!
Now, Adventure Time, I kinda want to watch it with her now, but I worry it will mess her up a little, maybe I’ll wait until she’s four or five.Report
The good one who died from a heroin overdose or his bland and lifeless replacement?Report
The original one, though he’s still alive and in a band, apparently.Report
It is his occasional bandmate (Steven Drozd of the Flaming Lips) who has had the heroin troubles, but is also still alive.Report
That’s what he’ll tell you, sure.Report
Don’t believe that anyone who thinks that a blue canine is attempting to communicate with them using deductive logic is really ‘on the wagon’, huh?Report
Simply put: Children’s television is getting less good, though Sesame Street (despite some minor changes) is still excellent and mostly tolerable, certainly compared to Barney and The Wiggles (all of whom surely have prices on their heads at this point.)
However, movies for kids are way, way, way better than ever before. You have Pixar, stuff like How To Train Your Dragon, and a whole bunch of other great movies. Even Disney has gotten its stride back after a post-Lion King spiral into mediocrity. So, not sure why this is, but there you have it.
That being said, we still watch a lot of Wizard of Oz and Annie in our house, so there is plenty of evidence in favor of good old-school kids’ movies as well.Report
Father of a five-year-old girl checking in:
The really good stuff that she likes: Octonauts (already mentioned upthread), Super Why, Sid the Science Kid, Dora the Explorer, Sesame Street.
There isn’t much stuff that she likes that I think is actively harmful. Barney bugs the crap out of me, but she’s mostly outgrown him. Jake and the Neverland Pirates is mostly empty calories, but seems to inspire a sense of adventure in her and serves as inspiration for some of her make-believe playtime in the back yard. Ditto the Backyardigans.
And as Erik says, movies now are simply way better than before.Report
Father of five, including a five-year-old girl piling on:
We were early adopters of Tivo precisely for *children’s* TV… the problem as I recall it was not so much that this show or that show *might* have been ok, but that I sat in front of the TV and watched them all without any sort of discretion – and most were pretty horrible. Tivo helped us to give the children the idea/habit that TV is for watching a specific show, not something that you just do.
Oh, and Little Bear is positively therapeutic… I make them watch it in my office with me.Report
jake and the neverland pirates are indeed empty calories. plus they have that weird collecting doubloons narrative mechanic, which is both nonsensical and kinda venal.
new sesame street is just clownshoes compared to old sesame street. it’s the elmo show, and elmo is probably as close to a charismatic cult leader that small children not born into charismatic cult leader-led cults can have.Report
Golden ages fallacy, perhaps? Maybe, but that doesn’t answer your question. In my mid ’90s childhood I always enjoyed Arthur, Doug, and Recess. Shockingly, none of those have been mentioned. Of course, I watched Sesame St. a fair deal as well…All good memories. I also didn’t have cable–unlike many of my peers–which made for a lot less television viewing. In general, I think children just have so many more options in this day and age. Educational and children’s computer games are a great new venue, boosted by the internet and iPads. Back in the day, there were far fewer channels, much less any of the aforementioned computer supplements. None of this makes any difference on the childhood though. The main substantive difference is that there are so many attractions for kids to stay inside all the time. Is that becoming a problem?Report
I was a teenager in the 90’s and even I thought Recess was brilliant.Report
I’m not at all certain children’s television is getting any less good so much as, let’s be honest, it just seems that way because we all have sentimental attachments to the children’s television of our youth.
That said, one thing that’s really weird about American children’s television right now is that a huge percentage of it is not American at all. Most of the stuff on Nick and Nick, Jr. certainly is (as is Disney, if you want to count Disney), but by and large the majority of everything else is not:
Here’s the weird thing about Canadian children’s television – it’s fishing everywhere on US children’s television; in fact, now that I think about it, a substantial portion of US children’s television is foreign-produced content, maybe with the notable exceptions of most stuff on Disney (if you want to count Disney, and I’m not sure I do). For about a year and a half, my daughter was obsessed, obsessed with a show on Sprout called “Caillou” that is wholly Canadian. And of course, you’ve got the whole DeGrassi High and DeGrassi Junior High series, which is in the pantheon of children’s television (albeit slightly older children, but still…). Then there’s The Berenstain Bears, Franklin (including the current iteration on Nick), Dino Dan, Dirtgirlworld (which I thought was Aussie, but no, it’s Canadian), Max and Ruby (the show my daughter is currently obsessed with), Mike the Knight, The Mighty Jungle, Franny’s Feet, and probably a bunch of others, all Canadian.
Then, just off the top of my head: Fireman Sam and Peppa Pig – British.
The Wiggles – Australian
I’d wager that when you add it all up, the majority of programming on Sprout and Nick Jr. is foreign-produced. This strikes me as odd. Then again, one of the shows I grew up on was You Can’t Do That on Television (also Canadian), and others my age grew up on DeGrassi, so maybe it’s always been this way.Report
We do not talk about the Canadian overlords hold on American Childrens minds Mr. Thompson eh. Now if you’ll just focus on this maple leaf dangling from a string, I’ll hit you over the head with a hockey stick until you forget this unfortunate line of conversation. Thankyou kindly.Report
Background: 30 years working in children’s media, in the US and worldwide…pre-CTA and post.
The CTA is a poor inflection point for measuring the quality of children’s TV. It was a weak political fix to an economic and creative problem. In the US, when we get anxious about children and TV, we throw “education” at it, and that’s what we did here – demand that broadcasters make some minor affirmations of learning content on 3 hours per week of programming, in an environment where the only channels under the requirement had already lost their audiences to cable and public TV. Hence, there was no economic incentive to make it *good*, and as it was unlikely to be profitable, the 3-hours became a ceiling and not a floor.
A better inflection point is the emergence of “Barney” and “Teletubbies” as highly-profitable preschool programming. While both shows are anathema to adults, they were well designed and entrancing for kids…and networks realized that one could do well by doing good, at least for preschoolers. The industry became competitive for quality, with an (ongoing, I believe) “golden age” for preschool TV on Nick Jr., Disney Junior, Sprout, and especially PBS, fueled by unique and creator-driven series like “Blue’s Clues,” “Dora,” “Wonder Pets,” “Super Why,” “Curious George,” “Dinosaur Train,” “Jake and the Neverland Pirates,” “Charlie and Lola”…the list goes on and on.
Not every program will appeal to every child…not should it. Even in preschool, children are different from one another, and they come to TV with different needs at different times. “Sesame” and “Mister Rogers” were elemental series in early child development, and that broad foundation – and the fact that they emerged before the multi-channel era – accounts for their longevity. Looking at today’s media environment, it’s more important to develop sharply-focused shows for niches of early learning. They aren’t made to last 40 years; however, no show sets out anticipating a run like that…if you’re thinking about year 10 while producing year one, you’re sure to stumble.
We still need more quality children’s TV for older kids – 6-11 – but the preschool world is doing very well, and doing just what it ought.Report