Selling Prosecutorial Overreach to the Masses (with pre-order bonuses)
Warning: There are some middlin’ spoilers for the game LA Noire that follow. There is also a question about the societal costs and benefits of putting people in prison for crimes they didn’t commit because they are likely to commit different crimes. So it’s got that going for it.
LA Noire, if you hadn’t heard, is a recently released game from Rockstar Games (yes, the Grand Theft Auto folks) that puts you in the role of lawman rather than criminal. Instead of the chaotic and rampant violence you may be used to in these games, you’re stuck investigating the crimescenes left behind by the stupid, the greedy, the violent. It’s a much more depressing game than previous Rockstar games… After all, there’s a joy to be found in rolling a tank down the street and firing its cannon at the cars you see around you. It’s much less fun to investigate a homicide and find a driver’s license with an address on it in the purse found near the body and then, a few moments later, walk up to the house and see a tricycle on the sidewalk. (Seriously, I had to turn the game off for a bit when I saw that.)
Now, as you progess through the game, you have various conversations with the more seasoned cop(s) you have been partnered up with. Many of these are character development or plot exposition, but there was one conversation with my partner Finbarr (no, you’re not allowed to call him that) that stuck in my craw. I’m still working at it like a seed caught between my teeth.
Here’s the setup: you’re investigating the murder of a young woman and there are two suspects. One suspect is the husband. The other suspect is a man who has occasionally molested children at the local high school. He gets thrown in jail from time to time but gets let out, the justice system being what it is. There is evidence that both men did it, but, halfway through the case (before all of the evidence is found) there are also questions hanging leading you to reasonable doubts… an uncertainty of means here, a lack of motive there. Something that just doesn’t sit right. Well, you and Rusty have a conversation immediately after collaring the molester.
Rusty points out that they should charge the molester guy. He’s unsympathetic to the point where it hard to imagine a jury acquitting him for pretty much anything. When you point out that the evidence is somewhat light and that the husband has evidence against him too, Rusty asks a tough question: so what? Assuming the Husband did it, Rusty points out, he’s not an immediate danger to anybody. The molester, on the other hand, is. They can always come back and hit the Husband with something else before he’s likely to kill anybody (and that’s *IF* he’s likely to kill anybody. Most murders are one-offs, he points out). The molester, on the other hand, *IS* likely to harm others before he can be put away and this is an opportunity to put him away for a good, long time.
(Now, of course, in the real world, we know that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and, goodness knows, there are more cases where there are no suspects than where there are two equally good ones by three or four orders of magnitude. In the real world, the problem is not having enough evidence. The problem is looking at the crime scene and not having a single lead rather than an embarassment of evidence.)
In the game, the question that came up about whether the point of the police department was more to punish the guilty than it was to protect society was one that (shudder) made sense to ask in the first place and discuss casually as you drove down the street.
(For the record, I’m playing Duke Nukem 3D at this point. Aliens stealing my babes is a less stressful situation to be thrust into.)
Rockstar did do a good job setting up a handful of quandaries:
Given prosecutorial discretion, isn’t it good that they can indict ham sandwiches given the number of bad folks out there that, for whatever reason, get paroled or otherwise walk? Wouldn’t it be better for serial molesters to be put in prison even if it means that one-time murderers go free? (Ironically, they even ask the Captain the question about the people who may be innocent who may have gone to prison… and the Captain says we’ll lose paperwork here, have an abberation in the appeal there, the DA knows how to do this.) When they know they caught the wrong guy, isn’t it good enough that they lose the paperwork and let him go free in the search to find a killer?
And, of course, the most important question: Wouldn’t it be awesome if justice worked like it does in the video games?
Priest/”saint” Thomas Aquinas [d. 1274] understood the Clockwork Orange equation, that free will—if such a thing exists—must be given some play or else it doesn’t exist atall.
http://www.aquinasonline.com/Topics/tolernce.html
Take that, John Rawls. Pwnd by a video game that never heard of you, anticipated and answered in advance by a great mind and soul 750 years ago.
[I just happened to be reading the above link the other day, and it hit me that Anthony Burgess and Thomas Aquinas would have got on famously, and Rawls would have been as a fart scolding the room.]Report
Tom, I gotta second what Mac says below. What the hell does any of this have to do with Rawls? Have you even read Rawls, or is he simply your bogeyman for all things left, or at least all things “social justice?”Report
It *IS* a discussion of the point of (man’s) Law, whether it be to serve Justice or something else entirely… and what that would, in practice, consist of.
To have Aquinas and/or Rawls show up in that discussion is something unsurprising.
Unless it’s also a video game thread. It might be surprising to have it show up there.
But not unwelcome.Report
Jay, it’s not so much that Rawls shows up, but that he shows up in the context of Tom’s comments, which seem to have nothing to do with Rawls, that I find baffling (he was digging on Rawls in another recent thread, too). I’m willing to accept that there’s a point to it, but if there is, Tom hasn’t laid it out very clearly.Report
The essay he posted was about Rawls’ criticisms of Aquinas’s discussion of Law…Report
Yeah, the essay is actually on a brief criticism by Rawls of Aquinas’ theory (or lack thereof, in Rawls’ mind) of tolerance. So again, I find it odd to include, and the jabs about free will make it even odder (perhaps Tom doesn’t know Rawls’ view of metaphysically-based political and moral theories and how it relates to the use of free will to ground them?). I suppose I’m just trying to figure out what Tom’s going on about, given this comment and his Rawls comments on the previous thread.
If Tom really wants to read some Rawls on Aquinas, at length, I’d recommend this:
http://www.amazon.com/Brief-Inquiry-into-Meaning-Faith/dp/0674033310Report
Well, given that the original question was “is it cool to throw a serial molester in jail for a murder he didn’t commit?”, discussions of free will for the citizenry (that is to say “wiggle room to be wrong”) was kinda touched on by the essay…Report
Kinda, but not really in the context of Rawls. That is, there’s nothing on Rawls’ theory either of the role of free will (except a mention of his “pragmatic” approach, without elaboration) or his views on anything like that situation.
Look, I can see brining Rawls into this. I’m just not sure why Tom’s doing so, or what the hell he’s saying about it, in this discussion or the last. And the article doesn’t clarify that any more than Tom’s disconnected and vague comments on it.Report
What would Officer Rawls have said in response to Rusty’s argument?Report
The operative text would probably be this one: http://www.ditext.com/rawls/rules.html
He also has a brief, though much discussed section on punishment in ToJ. I have to admit that I’m not quite sure how to approach Rusty’s reasoning from a Rawlsian perspective. I’d have to think about it for a bit, and I suspect that any explanation of that perspective on this particular issue would be lengthy. However, I think we can say that in the abstract, Rawls’ view of the sort of utilitarian reasoning that Rusty applies is that it only applies at the institutional level, or at the level of justifying punishment for crimes in general, but can’t be adequately applied to individual instances of crime or individual criminals. So he would likely have an issue with Rusty’s reasoning, if not because the practical result is that a man gets punishment that he deserves for other crimes, then because a man who did commit the crime didn’t get punished for it since, again, utilitarian reasoning of the sort Rusty is employing doesn’t apply to the individual application of punishment.Report
@Tom–I have no f’ing clue what you are talking about.
@Jaybird–this sounds like a pretty good old-skool “Adventure” game. What that byplay is, is a McGuffin. (I wonder if the game is even deterministic? If not, it’s a genuine tour de force. Non-deterministic games with plot are a rare breed.)Report
It is a pretty good, old-skoolly, Adventure game. I’m hoping it’s a harbinger of more to come.Report
Hi, “Mac,” whoever you may be. Welcome to the blog & thx for the reply. It’s cool you have no f’ing clue what I’m talking about, Burgess, Rawls, Aquinas. Inside baseball shit. McGuffin is more germane here.
Enjoy the game, sorry to intrude on the discussion. I’m out.Report
What I would say is that this is the ‘ticking timebomb’ scenario, or the ‘the constitution is not a suicide pact’ scenario, or any other such thing. 99 times out of 100, it’s used by people to justify abusing their power in the ways that they’d like to.Report
Every time I’ve seen the “ticking timebomb”, it’s always been given as a larger-than-life hypothetical involving issues of national security.
Seeing the problem rephrased as a problem involving someone banally evil… evil the way that you and I have casually encountered evil people from time to time… was striking. The ticking timebomb is, of course, something that will never happen.
The guy in the bushes? That happens pretty regularly (if not every day).
Of course you can see that thumb of the questioner on the scale… but a hypothetical that happens regularly is much more jarring than a hypothetical that merely could happen, maybe.Report
Incidentally…is there a “right answer” to the situation, or is this one of those games where no matter which choice you make it’s the “right” one (or “wrong”, depending on what story the writers wanted to tell.)Report
There are answers that result in the police chief clapping you on the back and calling you an up-and-comer, and there are answers that result in the police chief saying that he is disappointed that you brought him a case with little but circumstantial evidence.
So it’s like real life.
More reason to bet on Duke.Report