Moderating Extremists
Hugh Hewitt, one of America’s Most Easily Mocked Pundits™ argues that the first debate of the 2012 GOP primaries should not be moderated by MSM personalities from Politico and NBC, but instead by “different kinds of journalists” like “Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Medved.” Andrew Sullivan quickly moves to mock said member of America’s Most Easily Mocked Pundits™ for this facially absurd suggestion, but the often quick to mock Alex Massie (sorta) leaps to Hewitt’s defense, arguing that Hewitt’s idea actually has some merit to it.
Massie’s right – Hewitt’s suggestion is actually a pretty good one, and uncharacteristically un-mockworthy for a suggestion coming from one of America’s Most Easily Mocked Pundits™. For instance, Hewitt writes:
I still enjoy having Politico’s Mike Allen on my show as a regular guest most Tuesdays, and I read Politico every day. But both outlets are significantly biased to the left….
Okay, so the notion that Politico is “significantly biased to the left” is completely insane and readily mockable, as is the notion advanced by Hewitt that Levin, Limbaugh, and Hannity are in any way, shape, or form “journalists.” So, uhh, mock away on that front.
But Hewitt’s underlying point, stripped of its typically bizarre factual assertions, is actually a pretty good one. As Massie notes:
Andrew complains, hyperbolically to be sure, that this is “like Stalin being grilled by the Politburo”. But actually, I would be interested in watching a Presidential debate moderated by the likes of Limbaugh and Levin and co. Lord knows, there will be plenty of opportunities for Wolf Blitzer and Brian Williams and the rest to ask dumb questions. Why shouldn’t the conservative movement’s own favourites have the chance to do so in a nationally-televised format too?
In fact, a Levin and Limbaugh moderated debate would be more interesting and probably more fun than most such affairs….I’d also like to see a Democratic equivalent. Perhaps with a panel of moderators including Keith Olbermann, Katrina Vanden Heuvel and Michael Moore.
This is exactly right.
Primary campaigns are inherently interfactional wars within political parties and the movements of which they are comprised. Having such debates moderated by journalists with no meaningful stake in those wars does exactly nothing to resolve them and permits candidates – especially top-tier candidates – to get away with strictly delivering the official party line that virtually all of them know by heart without any meaningful challenge. Moreover, the debates fundamentally become focused on things about which the moderators care but few of the people who will actually be voting care. Worst of all, because the moderators have their own set of incentives and interests, they focus almost entirely on the “top-tier candidates,” while basically ignoring candidates they deem to be longshots, helping to ensure that the longshots remain longshots and the top-tier remains the top-tier.
The result is that primary debates tell primary voters precious little about the candidates, while being incredibly boring to boot.
That all changes if the people asking the questions are movement or party die-hards in good standing with a real interest in the outcome. Even better if those people get particular enjoyment out of arguing with those who dare disagree with them.
A moderator who is a movement partisan with a stake in the outcome will make every effort to force the candidates to accentuate their differences, and to do so on issues of actual meaning to the people who will be voting. A fringe candidate who would be more acceptable to the party writ large than the top-tier if only he had bigger donors and greater name recognition will be given ample opportunity to make his case. Similarly, assming the moderator likes to argue, a fringe candidate who is relatively unfriendly to the party’s activist core will have more air time to show that there’s some real substance to his dissent from that core – yes, this air time may be frequently interrupted, but I’m pretty sure Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee, not to mention Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, would have killed for significant amounts of interrupted air time over the pittance of time they were given during the 2008 primary debates.
That’s not to say that the results of those debates would result in greater success for candidates I, personally, might like – in the GOP especially, I suspect that it would result in candidates I find even less appealing. It is, however, to say that the results of those debates would be candidates more likely to have something other than inertia on their side and who more of the people who actually vote in the primaries find appealing or at least relatively representative of their beliefs. More importantly, it would allow primary debates to serve as an actual forum for airing intramovement and intraparty disputes, forcing primary voters to actually think a little bit more about what, exactly, it is that they believe.
Hugh has a point but it’s pretty weak and for me at least gets swallowed up in other considerations.
First of all, on the Republican side the real issue with the debates isn’t who but when. In contrast to 2008, the GOP front tier of candidates look pretty weak but the underlying brand is strong. Our side needs to let events develop for the next year or so that the GOP base and would-be candidates can evaluate each other based on real moves in the game instead of more-or-less irrelevant soundbites.
When the debates do come, I don’t want Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity or Levin anywhere near them. Their personas are too bombastic and suck all the oxygen out of the room. We need moderators who can set the table and let the candidates talk. (For the same reason, a debate hosted by Rachel Maddow and Katrina Vandenheuvel might be interesting, but Keith Olbermann and Michael Moore are completely unwatchable.) Medved is much better and for that matter so is Hewitt himself.Report
Re: “In contrast to 2008” (and I assume you mean by ‘our side’ you mean Republicans and/or conservatives – and to be clear, with respect, this is not ‘my side’) — my impression so far is that the Republican ‘top tier’ candidates are virtually the same ones that ran in ’08 – Romney, Huckabee, Paul are all going to be in the mix again. McCain obviously won’t, and Giuliani and Thompson probably won’t either, but I’d have a hard time calling either of the last two ‘top tier’ the way they ran their campaigns.
I do fully endorse everything written by Mark Thompson; a really good piece of analysis.Report
I don’t anticipate Ron Paul being a candidate this cycle. As far as the bigger point goes, for the last cycle we had McCain, Paul, Romney and Guiliani plus a few others as candidates. And for various reasons they were not likely Presidents, but at the very least they were all accomplished men, as opposed to the hacks and time-servers the other team had.
This year, the stakes are higher: a good Republican candidate will probably win. We have Palin, Gingrich, Romney and Huckabee in the first tier. I think Romney is the best of these four but I’m not super-excited about any of them. The second tier of candidates is pretty strong, I’d like to them get their fair shot.Report
No Ron Paul Koz? Why in heavens not? Every theme that the man ran on in the last GOP primary has been magnified (at least ostensibly) for the upcoming one.Report
I don’t know. I guess if he were planning that we would have heard by now.Report
William F. Buckley moderated two presidential candidates’ debates (Dem and Rep) in 1988.
http://hoohila.stanford.edu/firingline/programView.php?programID=1152
http://hoohila.stanford.edu/firingline/programView.php?programID=1138Report
I think I agree with you. Levin and the rest wouldn’t be my first choice for conservative moderators, but they would bring benefits to the discussion not brought by your garden variety “debate” moderators, as you note.
It would also be interesting to see how the candidates relate or distance themselves from the radio hosts while in the difficult position of being grilled by conservative opinion leaders while also being watched by all the politically interested voters.Report
Hewitt and the people he names are clowns, but that doesn’t make this a bad idea, provided that the right kind of person could be found. George Will would be good, not least because he’d treat the candidates with the condescension they deserve.Report
” Andrew Sullivan quickly moves to mock said member of America’s Most Easily Mocked Pundits™ for this facially absurd suggestion…”
Excitable Andy?Report
Yeah, no shit. The idea that Andrew Sullivan mocks anybody is kinda hilarious.Report
Beck would do a good job.Report
I presume you mean the musician, not the lunatic.Report
I’m all for it. Anything would be better than the current standard moderator.Report
As long as they don’t ask a candidate dumb questions like will you promise not to run negative ads? How could they be worse?Report
IIRC, one of the Kennedy-Nixon debates was moderated by Jack Parr, so maybe we ought to have David Letterman or Jay Leno moderate the debates in 2012.Report
Or Jon Stewart.Report
Perhaps we should take Alex Tabarrok’s suggestion of replacing presidential debates with a game show.Report