Kulturkampf
Victor Davis Hanson is visiting Europe. More precisely, Italy and Greece. Several profound insights into the nature of continental society follow:
After concluding another 16 days in Europe. I am again reminded how different their form of socialism is, and yet how closely it resembles the model that Obama seeks for America. The vast majority of citizens lives in apartments, even in smaller towns and villages. Cars are tiny. Prices are higher than in the states; income is lower (The government taxes you to pay for things like “free” college, so you won’t have much to spend on antisocial things like your Wal-Mart plastic Christmas Tree or your second K-Mart plasma TV.)
Mass transit is frequent and cheap, but often crowded and occasionally unpleasant. The stifled desire to acquire something—large house, car, deposit account—is of course not quite destroyed by socialism, but rather is channeled into a sort of cynicism and anger, often leading to a hedonism of few children, late and long meals, and disco hours until the early morning. The number of Gucci like stores selling overpriced label junk like 200 Euro eye-glass frames and 1000 Euro leather bags to socialists is quite amazing.
Clearly, this reflects Hanson’s experience in Greece and Italy, not “Europe.” And while Hanson’s observations are undoubtedly filtered through his own ideological lens, a lot of what he says rings true: unlike their Northern counterparts, Greece and Italy have always been on continent’s political and economic periphery. Not too long ago, Athens was being run by a military junta. Silvio Berlusconi’s checkered career is proof enough of Italy’s retrograde political culture. Taking either country as emblematic of Europe would be like using Mississippi as a prime example of the American economic and social model. Which is to say, other factors are at work here.
Cherry-picking favorable examples is a time-honored political tactic, which is why the Left is always talking about the dynamism of the Scandinavian economies – Nokia! Erickson! – or the fact that Denmark regularly tops Freedom House’s economic rankings. The bog-standard conservative rejoinder – something I happen to agree with – is that the political outcomes of small, culturally homogeneous European countries don’t necessarily track with the United States’ experience. It also follows that the defects of Greece and Italy aren’t much of a roadmap for liberalism in the Age of Obama.
Denmark and Finland do not vindicate progressive policy any more than Greece and Italy prove its ruinous consequences. The United States is a different country, and the impact of our policy choices tend to differ dramatically from the experience of even our closest political cousins. Hanson’s insights into the nature of “European” society notwithstanding, it would be better for all of us if we shied away from facile country-to-country comparisons.
Your correct about trying to use other countries as templates for America. It is easy to dream about but hard in practice.
On the other hand, even for accounting for different viewpoints and filters, that Hanson snip is shockingly stupid. How the hell is he considered smart? He must have been trying to dislike his trip so he had something to write about. OMG there is mass transit!!!! OMG the streets are narrow…Oh i wonder why that might be, what a puzzler….. Small cars…how scary.Report
If you like that, you’ll get a real kick out of Lisa Schiffren’s compelling critique of Parisian cuisine: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmYwM2U4Zjc3ZjgwMDYyNDU0N2JkZjA3ODcwYjc4MzQ=
This includes gems such as, “There is much excellent food, of course. But who wants really excellent food every day?” and, “Dinner starts at 7, no matter that you missed lunch and want a burger or a salad at 5, not ice cream or a beer. And meals take forever. I like the leisurely lunch as much as any journalist, of course. But not with my kids, every day — which leaves us with grilled-cheese sandwiches, hold the ham. Oh, you can’t hold the ham? Thanks.”Report
Oh dear . . .Report
The best part for me was her complaint about overpriced food of mediocre quality at museums in Paris. One might suspect that she’s never visited a museum in America.Report
Did you know Obamacare will force you to eat leisurely meals and no you will NOT be able to hold the ham. It’s true. I heard it on the radio.Report
Hmmm some people only travel so that the rest of have to apologize for them when we travel.Report
I agree in rejecting “facile country-to-country comparisons”. Nevertheless, social scientists’ more rigorous analysis has something to offer – something that can’t be dismissed by referring to public policy in some places as “political outcomes of small, culturally homogeneous European countries.”
In various developed countries we’re dealing with similar problems: crime, disease, environmental degradation, congested transportation networks. And there’s definitely something to be learned through case studies and comparisons across peer countries (and within the US) – particularly because policy debates often occur around parades of horribles. Each side trots out awful scenarios, Stephen Hawking and the UK’s NHS, in an effort to demonstrate their policy prescriptions are superior. Europe just happens to be a vast trove of evidence for all sorts of things on a progressive’s wish list.
This reminds me of a discussion between Justice Scalia and Justice Breyer about using/referring to foreign law, Breyer remarks,
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That’s an insightful comment, and I don’t think we should discount each and every comparison between the United States and similarly situated countries.
That said, Hanson (and others like him) don’t even both to acknowledge deep-seated political and cultural differences when making sweeping pronouncements about what we can learn from Europe. As the excerpt above makes clear, this isn’t exactly rigorous social science at work.Report
Wow, a lot of the quoted piece seems to be nothing more than different preferences described in extremely negative ways. A “hedonism of few children, late and long meals and disco hours until the early morning”? I mean, having two or fewer kids, eating dinner at 7 PM and going to the bar until midnight are enough to be part of a hedonist, socialist dystopia? My family ate dinner at 7 or 8 – just late enough that everyone was home and a nutritious meal had been prepared – frequently when I was growing up. Who knew that Omaha was a hotbed of hedonist socialism?Report
Under the Obama administration hedonism will be mandated and nobody will be allowed to have dinner before 7 unless they have 2 or fewer kids.Report
Efficient transit, leisurely dinners, late nights at the discotech? This reads like a pretty rousing endorsement of socialism. Where do I sign up?Report
Victor Davis Hanson: the thinking man’s John Derbyshire.Report
Harsh my friend. VDH is a polemecist. Derbyshire is a cranky old conservative coot but he is an intellingent and in some ways refreshingly blunt and honest cranky old conservative coot.Report
How anyone takes Hanson seriously anymore for any reason is beyond me. The man is deranged, his scholarship is shoddy, and he’s a historian, not any sort of social scientist. One need only read his “cultural” histories to know he’s a shallow, uninsightful hack.Report
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.” — Mark Twain (unconfirmed)
Well, perhaps not.Report
As a scholar of Classical warfare, Hanson was solid, if not especially original. As a political commentator he is simply a very generic Little American hack. Sorry, but this is exactly the sort of embarrassing nonsense that Rush Limbaugh peddles about foreign countries, and with even less justification. Neither Italy nor Greece is socialist (not that Hanson actually understands the term), and to suggest any such thing is about as plausible as describing Idaho as “an environmentalist run hippie commune, where guns are banned and men must carry signs apologizing for their inherent phallocratic oppressiveness”. Does anyone seriously think that Berlusconi is a Socialist? Or Kostas Karamanlis?Report
Not too long ago, Athens was being run by a military junta.
‘Not too long ago’ would be 35 years ago. Greece has had parliamentary administrations for 53 of the last 60 years.
Silvio Berlusconi’s checkered career is proof enough of Italy’s retrograde political culture.
How?Report
For my money, 35 years is a pretty short time. Not to mention the fact that Greek democracy isn’t exactly renowned for its stability.
As for Berlusconi, start here for a taste of his checkered career:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1184532/Berlusconi-facing-fresh-calls-quit-corruption-trial-judge-confirms-David-Mills-DID-accept-350-000-bribe-save-him.html
Or try his Wikipedia page.Report