Here are all these things
The problem with going over to National Review’s blog The Corner for quick material, as I did last night, is that one tends to run across at least two or three other things that also need addressing. Online editor Kathryn Jean Lopez will inevitably be responsible for one of these things; in this case, it was the following post:
Fred Davis says that if the president wants to turn things around for his party, Barack Obama has to come clean and admit: “I was wrong.”
I trust no one is holding his breath waiting for that to happen.
To be fair to Lopez, Bush merely refrained from admitting he was a wrong about a war, whereas Obama has had the gall to not come out and say he was wrong about, I guess, politics.
Down the page, NRO’s editors have apparently decided that the following monologue from Charles Krauthammer on a court decision deeming DADT to be unconstitutional needed a wider audience:
And the federal government under Obama, I think in a principled way, went and tries to get a stay of that ruling and essentially to overturn it on the theory, and I think it’s a correct one, that you don’t make major changes in the mores of a country through the judges and not through the legislatures.
First of all, this country has no comprehensive set of “mores” holding that gays should not serve in the military. Secondly, we have here a professed constitutionalist suddenly deciding that the courts ought not do their job as spelled out in the Constitution if it can be described as potentially resulting in “major changes in the mores of a country.” Third, this contradicts Krauthammer’s own alleged and stated views on the criteria for legitimate court rulings:
In our current, corrupted debates about the judges, you hear only about results. Priscilla Owen, we were told (by the Alliance for Justice), “routinely backs corporations against worker and consumer protections.” Well, in what circumstances? In adjudicating what claims? Under what constitutional doctrine?
The real question is never what judges decide but how they decide it.
Or, you know, whatever.
Most egregiously, the editors of National Review are now trying to convince their readers to purchase the new book by contributor Stanley Kurtz, whom they have long tried to pass off as some sort of conservative scholar when in fact he is not even capable of making a cogent written argument, as I first noticed upon fisking his attempt at refuting the idea that gay marriage has not had some terrible impact upon heterosexual marriage in Scandinavia. Any liberal pundits who may be thinking of going so far as to read Kurtz’s book in order to refute it should save themselves the trouble and just read my examination of his attempt to write a magazine article:
A few years ago, Kurtz wrote a highly influential essay which set out to refute the work of William N. Eskridge, Jr., the John A. Garver professor of jurisprudence at Yale University, and Darren Spedale, a New York investment banker, who together had recently written a book called Gay Marriage: For Better or For Worse? What We’ve Learned From the Evidence. The authors discussed their preliminary findings in a Wall Street Journal op-ed before their work was more formally published (in fact, Kurtz weirdly dismisses it as “unpublished” several times in his article, as if it were somehow unseemly for a paper to exist between the time it is written and the time it is published).
Denmark, the authors noted, began allowing for gay civil unions in 1989. Ten years later, the heterosexual marriage rate had increased by 10.7 percent. Norway did the same in 1993. Ten years later, the heterosexual marriage rate had increased by 12.7 percent. Sweden followed suite in 1995. Ten years later, the heterosexual marriage rate had increased by 28.7 percent. And these marriages were actually lasting; during the same time frame, the divorce rate dropped by 13.9 percent in Denmark, 6 percent in Norway, and 13.7 percent in Sweden.
Confronted with statistics indicating that marriage in Scandinavia is in fine shape, Kurtz instead proclaimed that “Scandinavian marriage is now so weak that statistics on marriage and divorce no longer mean what they used to.”
Brushing aside numbers showing that Danish marriage was up ten percent from 1990 to 1996, Kurtz counters that “just-released marriage rates for 2001 show declines in Sweden and Denmark.” He didn’t bother to note that marriage rates they were down in 2001 for quite a few places, including the United States, which of course had no civil unions anywhere in 2001; presumably this was left out due to space constraints. In all seriousness, though, I’m not accusing Kurtz of being dishonest; it’s evident that he is simply unable to anticipate very obvious objections to his muddled, demonstrably incorrect analysis even despite having spent some years at Harvard obtaining a degree in social anthropology, a degree which is apparently worthless.
I will defend Kurtz further. Having not yet had access to the figures, he couldn’t have known that both American and Scandinavian marriage rates had gone back up in 2002, a year after the dip he deemed to be apocalyptic in gay-friendly Scandinavia while completely ignoring it in gay-adverse America. As for Norway, he says, the higher marriage rate “has more to do with the institution’s decline than with any renaissance. Much of the increase in Norway’s marriage rate is driven by older couples ‘catching up.'” It’s unclear exactly how old these “older couples” may be, but Kurtz thinks their marriages simply don’t count, and in fact constitute a sign of “the institution’s decline.” And of course, it’s clear from his phrasing that only a portion of the increase is attributable to these older citizens. So Kurtz’s position is that Norwegian marriage is in decline because not only are younger people getting married at a higher rate, but older people are as well. I don’t know what Kurtz makes per word, but I’m sure it would piss me off to find out.
Kurtz also wanted us to take divorce. “Take divorce,” Kurtz wrote. “It’s true that in Denmark, as elsewhere in Scandinavia, divorce numbers looked better in the nineties. But that’s because the pool of married people has been shrinking for some time. You can’t divorce without first getting married.” This is true. It’s also true that Denmark has a much lower divorce rate than the United States as a percentage of married couples, a method of calculation that makes the size of the married people pool irrelevant. Denmark’s percentage is 44.5, while the United States is at 54.8. Incidentally, those numbers come from the Heritage Foundation, which also sponsors reports on the danger that gay marriage poses to the heterosexual marriage rate.
Still, Kurtz is upset that many Scandinavian children are born out of wedlock. “About 60 percent of first-born children in Denmark now have unmarried parents,” he says. He doesn’t give us the percentage of second-born children who have unmarried parents, because that percentage is lower and would thus indicate that Scandinavian parents often marry after having their first child, as Kurtz himself later notes in the course of predicting that this will no longer be the case as gay civil unions continue to take their non-existent toll on Scandinavian marriage.
Since the rate by which Scandinavian couples have a child or two before getting married has been rising for decades, it’s hard to see what this has to do with gay marriage – unless, of course, you happen to be Stanley Kurtz. “Scandinavia’s out-of-wedlock birthrates may have risen more rapidly in the seventies, when marriage began its slide. But the push of that rate past the 50 percent mark during the nineties was in many ways more disturbing.” More disturbing indeed; by the mid-’90s, the Scandinavian republics had all instituted civil unions, and thus even the clear, long-established trajectory of such a trend as premature baby-bearing can be laid at the feet of the homos simply by establishing some arbitrary numerical benchmark that was obviously going to be reached anyway, calling this milestone “in many ways more disturbing,” and hinting that all of this is somehow the fault of the gays. By the same token, I can prove that the establishment of the Weekly Standard in 1995 has contributed to rampant world population growth. Sure, population growth has been increasing steadily for decades, but the push of that number past the 6 billion mark in 2000 was “in many ways more disturbing” to me for some weird reason that I can’t quite pin down because I’m all Kurtzing out over here. Of course, I’m being a little disingenuous – by virtue of its unparalleled support for the invasion of Iraq, the Weekly Standard has actually done more than its part to keep world population down.
Why is Kurtz so disturbed about out-of-wedlock rates? Personally, I think it would be preferable for a couple to have a child and then get married, as is more often the case in Scandinavia, rather than for a couple to have a child and then get divorced, as is more often the case in the United States. Kurtz doesn’t seem to feel this way, though, as it isn’t convenient for him to feel this way at this particular time. Here are all of these couples, he tells us, having babies without first filling out the proper baby-making paperwork with the proper bureaucratic agencies. What will become of the babies? Perhaps they’ll all die. Or perhaps they’ll continue to outperform their American counterparts in math and science.
Incidentally, Kurt is also a fellow at the Hudson Institute. So before you write your annual check to the Hudson Institute this year, I suggest you stop and think! Seriously, though, I’m going to steal his car.
And I thought I was the only one who often stopped by The Corner looking for counter-arguments only to be bombarded with the most egregious jib-jab. Kudos, kudos, and more kudos.Report
@E.C. Gach, You gotta hit up Red State for the serious policy discussions.Report
@E.C. Gach,
At this point I think you may be trolling yourself.Report
“….when in fact he is not even capable of making a cogent written argument….”
Yikes.
Has it occurred to you Obama’s lack of contrition, Krauthammer’s view of gays in the military, Kurtz’ work on gay marriage in Scandinavia and Obama’s political history left-wing circles are more or less unrelated subjects? Maybe you’re not exactly the best judge of who can make a cogent written argument.Report
@Koz,
So many conservatives to bash, so little time.Report
@Koz, If you look very carefully, you will find that in the first paragraph, I note that a single glance at National Review’s blog reveals all sorts of ridiculous things and express my intention to make fun of those things. Keep me posted on any further disingenuous misreadings you manage to come up with.Report
@Barrett Brown,
Oh, I think you could definitely have tried harder. If you look closely enough, they are all related, along with the Freemasons, UFOs, and the Trilateral Commission.Report
I think I read you right the first time.
You cite a bunch of random whinging against National Review as support for random whinging against National Review. Yeah, that’s persuasive.Report
@Koz, Hogw darge yogu sagy sucgh ag thging!Report
http://mw2.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whingeReport
@Koz, Oops, I didn’t realize you were speaking in British English despite not being British. I’m still going to have to disagree with you that there is anything incoherent in attacking several different arguments in the space of a single written work, or that my criticisms of ridiculous and self-contradictory assertions constitute
“whining.” How about I just admit that National Review is the greatest magazine ever and you go hit up the fishmonger?Report
It wasn’t meant to be an Anglicism. To me at least the words are slightly different. A whine is a high-pitched cry and a whinge is a persistent and otherwise generally annoying complaint.
For example, the original post is more or less a litany of petulant complaints about this or that published at the Corner. So it seems better described as a whinge, though probably either word will do.
There is nothing inherently incoherent about more than one argument in a single work. But that doesn’t make any of them persuasive, and it’s not clear that they are persuasive for you or
even that you’ve thought about it. Eg, do you really dispute the idea that Obama’s increasing emotional distance from the American people is not an important factor currently hurting the Democrats? Maybe you do, frankly I doubt it. So it’s hard to see why we should blame K-Lo for pointing that out, especially in this context where was passively citing someone else’s argument blurb-style.
Maybe if you could make or follow a coherent train of thought, you could contribute something useful to the body politic. On the other hand, you do seem to support the Democrats so the odds are stacked against you pretty good.Report
@Koz,
We’re looking at a review of a blog. In the context of a review, anything that the blog takes on is fair game. If you don’t like the incoherence of talking about “Obama’s lack of contrition, Krauthammer’s view of gays in the military, Kurtz’ work on gay marriage in Scandinavia and Obama’s political history left-wing circles,” then your complaint properly speaking is not with Barrett. It’s with the Corner. Or perhaps it’s with the literary form of the blog itself.
Good luck with that one.Report
@Koz, I appreciate you finally making some actual argument rather than throwing out such words as “petulant” and “whining” over and over again. Regarding Lopez, my argument does not hinge on Obama’s “emotional distance” from voters, on which I have no opinion, but rather the fact that Lopez – who supported a president who was famously asked if he had made any mistakes and couldn’t think of any – would try to take a swipe at Obama for not apologizing for some unspecified thing that I gather involves “emotional distance.” Also, I have never been a Democrat, have never voted for a Democrat, and have never contributed to a Democrat, although I do currently serve as advisor to a Democratic congressional candidate as a sort of hobby. I do tend to associate more with Democrats in the same sense that one picks the least ugly girl in the room.Report
“…..then your complaint properly speaking is not with Barrett. It’s with the Corner. Or perhaps it’s with the literary form of the blog itself.”
Sure it is. It’s about the fact that Barrett wants to disparage this or that published at the Corner but has nothing to say except a general sneer.
And compounding that, that this also discredits another author (previously published at the Corner) writing in a different place on an unrelated subject. Specifically, that Stanley Kurtz “…..is not even capable of making a cogent written argument….”(!)
Sometimes you just have to be thankful that the other team is full of idiots.Report
“Regarding Lopez, my argument does not hinge on Obama’s “emotional distance” from voters, on which I have no opinion, but rather the fact that Lopez – who supported a president who was famously asked if he had made any mistakes and couldn’t think of any – would try to take a swipe at Obama for not apologizing for some unspecified thing that I gather involves “emotional distance.””
Ok, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
If anything, seeing the same thing happen during the Bush Administration would seem to give her more credibility on that subject than less.Report
One question I like to keep in mind, in light of what the Democrats have accomplished legislatively, is what changes would have been made by now if the establishment had been “on the level” and there had not been any resistance from the right? Yes, NRO has been critical of Obama and the progressive agenda, but just imagine what would have happened without such resistance — the left’s majority power called for strong resistance, or else radical, progressive changes would have made things much worse. I think we can all agree on this, given the conseqences we see already from what did get passed, which is definitely not insignificant.Report
@MFarmer,
consequences, I meant.Report
@MFarmer, That’s a complicated assertion Mike. It’s equally possible that had the Republican establishment tried to pull the administration to the right through co-operation rather than their endless stonewalling that the results would have been considerably less left wing. On healthcare, for instance, Obama spent half of his first year in office trying to court some right wing collaboration. If they’d have put up a substantive offer rather than the (politically highly valuable to them) delaying and obfuscation tactics they ended up using we could easily have seen something closer, say, to the Wyden-Benette proposal enacted rather than the warmed over 1994 GOP plan of HCR that we ended up with. With total opposition they pretty much wrote themselves out of the ability to have any influence over what finally ended up being enacted and left all that work to the Blue Dogs.Report
Great first two posts, Barrett. I do wish I could write half so well.Report