Of Conspiracy Theories and Helene

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  1. Philip H
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    Letting the facts develop would be great – if you had any of the right.

    Lets start with NWS forecasts – two days before the storm – once the track firmed up – Weather Service forecast offices from Florida to Virginia put out watches and warnings for significant life threatening flooding. They kept those warnings up – and expanded the urgency of those warnings as the storm progressed inland. Online writers from North Carolina have noted since then that they didn’t fully believe what they were being told and while that lack of belief was likely not responsible for any injury or death, the NWS can only do so much to offset it. an estimated 40 Trillion gallons of water flowed in this storm, and the likelihood of any area escaping unscathed was precisely nil.

    Then there’s the federal response. FEMA keeps putting out statements every day about what they are doing – statements that started before the storm when they announced the prepositioning of supplies and search and rescue professionals. FEMA actually does plan for events of this size and seem to be executing to plan. The problem is that FEMA Is never the first or second of third wave of boots on the ground – the search and rescue folks come in state-level task forces from all over (even though FEMA Pays for them); temporary power is run into disaster zones by the US Army and the Corps of Engineers (coordinated by FEMA and paid for by FEMA); initial shelter funding goes to state and local agencies and charities who do the important work of stabilizing people’s housing. FEMA directs and manages all that, but it’s an army of federal employees and contractors sitting in rooms elsewhere on computers and phones twelve hours a day for months. Those same nameless faceless bureaucrats also contract for the water and food deliveries currently being carried out by the National Guard, Army, Marines, and convoys escorted by countless police cars. And thanks to the President’s swift response to each state’s disaster declaration request, all the private contractors removing debris will be paid by FEMA through USACE. FEMA also supports many of the charities working in the zone now – everyone from the Cajun Navy to Samaritan’s Purse to the mule trains can and likely will get some or all their costs eventually reimbursed.

    In short FEMA will not likely be the image seen on the ground – BY DESIGN. They are working hard around the clock as is and was the Weather Service and every other federal agency assigned by FEMA to respond. Accusing them of malpractice or incompetence or laziness is an insult. They will be doing for months and in some cases years. Right along side the people needing them.

    Claiming otherwise – whether from ignorance of the process or willingly for political purposes is deeply insulting and frankly unpatriotic.Report

    • Zack Roe in reply to Philip H
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      FEMA does not plan for lack of roads. If they did, they’d have water treatment that isn’t Bottled Water. Have you tried shipping bottled water via mule train?

      Escorted by police cars?? The roads are GONE. I-40 is gone, there’s a river there now.

      People got guns, and they’re policing their own (possibly deputized if someone felt like “doin something” as a sheriff) gasoline stations because they don’t think another oil truck can make it.

      FEMA has less than $2 and half a pack of bubbleyum for the next disaster (per estimated person affected).

      This is not a fully funded agency.

      It is amply clear that our Federal Government will not fix your problems. Perhaps we ought not to be expecting them to… But COVID-19 and the cursed ventilators (or masks) were not an isolated incident.Report

  2. Chip Daniels
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    “The area devastated by this disaster is populated by folks with an historic respect for the power of organized labor and which only underwent its political realignment from Democrats to the GOP within the last three decades.”

    WAIT, WHAAAT?Report

  3. Joe
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    Can you expand on your claim that WNC Appalachian folks are “strong union supporters”? There’s never been extensive industry in the area except for some long-departed fabric production and clothing assembly. The union presence was far north of here in coal country.Report

  4. Chip Daniels
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    It’s important to grasp how conspiracy theorists work.

    Before an event even happens, the conspiracist is already in a state of anxiety, fear and rage.

    Something Is Wrong with the world, they think, and they are constantly searching for a villain to blame.

    In other words their belief in a conspiracy isn’t an innocent error or result of faulty reasoning.

    And the fear and rage doesn’t need to spring from a place of powerlessness but a sense of injustice, that the proper order of things is being perverted.

    In all this, Trumpism stand like a beacon, a perverse Statue of Bigotry summoning all who are angry and resentful.

    Are the Jews making it rain, or causing a forest fire?
    Welcome to Trumplandia!
    Do vaccines cause autism?
    Step right this way!
    Are immigrants trying to eat your daughter and rape your dog?
    You are among likeminded friends!

    Like I said earlier. the only absolute creed that one must believe in to be a Trumpist is that Trump never loses, and in fact is the rightful President.Report

  5. North
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    Question: this article seems to assume that aid provision and preparation has somehow been lacking, inept or insufficient as a matter of fact; why is this and why have both Democratic and Republican Governors of the various afflicted states been saying the opposite?Report

  6. Dark Matter
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    It is much more likely that government forecasters got the storm and its devastating results wrong. Incompetence? Certainly.

    I live in South Florida. I’ve been here for three hurricane predictions.

    On the first two we didn’t get a drop of water. This time we got some wind and rain and the schools closed on Thursday. The hurricane hit north of us by a 5 hour drive away and the impacted zone must be at least 15 hours away.

    The margin of error in these predictions is very large. The area of effect is crazy big.

    I’m reasonably sure the gov is doing what it can, however in a disaster this big there will be problems for weeks or months.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter
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      if one asks the National Hurricane Center forecasters, they will tell you that track forecasts are as good as they can be until we make the leap to quantum computing. They and their research colleagues in Miami have been working on improving intensity forecasting and they will tell you that is 50% better then it was 5 years ago, largely because they now have data on ocean heat transfer to storms which was unavailable until we started sailing and flying robots into and under hurricanes.Report

  7. Damon
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    I can’t speak to the “conspiracy theories”, other than, of the one’s I’ve heard, they are plausible. They are basic incompetence and organizational failure we hear about during every disaster. My question is, since this has been going on for decades, you’d expect, at minimum, SOME improvement. That doesn’t seem to be the case. Conclusion: if some problems/failures get fixed, more crop up. Given my experience with gov’t employees in the civilian world, I’m not surprised at the continued failures though. The question is, how does it get fixed? Are the failures and “planned fixes” actually just PR, or is their an actual failure to actually get better, because once the crisis is over / out of the headlines, everyone goes back to what they were doing and forgets about the problems/that’s someone else’s task to fix.Report

    • Joe in reply to Damon
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      Hi Damon, I’m a government employee whose job involves daily interaction with the private sector. Would appreciate some specific examples of your statement here:

      “Given my experience with gov’t employees in the civilian world, I’m not surprised at the continued failures though”Report

      • Damon in reply to Joe
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        The first one I recall was this the vividly since it was at the start of my career:

        One of our customers (Civilian Govt Agency) requested we (the contractor team) come into DC for a meeting to discuss something. I don’t recall what the topic was but it was the entire program team, finance, and contracts, from our side. We came in for the 10AM-4PM meeting. There were @ 5-8 customer staff (all gov’t employees) and our team of 3 or 4. We broke for lunch for an hour, and resumed. At 1:30 or 2pm, several of the agency employees who WANTED THE MEETING bailed “as they had to catch their carpool”. So it was critical that we come into DC to meet with them in person and discuss work scope, but it was more important for them to catch their carpool. It wasn’t a short notice meeting either, it was scheduled weeks in advance, but a third of the people just up and left….the ones that wanted to talk to us. They were the ones who gave us the start and end time and they walked out mid meeting. Needless to say, our travel, food, etc. expenses were billable and billed to the customer and the meeting achieved nothing, since those who wanted the meeting to resolve some issues were no longer there to work through them. All that time (and money) was wasted. I heard later that our contract officer resolved the issue via a phone call.Report

        • InMD in reply to Damon
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          Before I went to law school I spent a few years as a contractor and eventually actually got hired as a federal employee at the same
          (admittedly inconsequential, low visibility) institution. I could tell you way, way worse stories than that. A big part of the reason I decided to go back to school is that I knew I’d go crazy if I pursued federal service as a career.

          Which doesn’t mean there aren’t good people. As best as I can tell there’s just no performance management and a culture where everyone’s priority is routine over productivity. This was in the early-mid aughts so maybe things are different now but I kinda doubt it.Report

          • Damon in reply to InMD
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            I agree completely. Hell, even in the private sector we have that. My company just fired a director for, essentially, not doing his job.Report

            • InMD in reply to Damon
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              Yea I certainly have no illusions about the private sector either. Different set of problems, including with accountability.Report

              • Damon in reply to InMD
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                True, but, just from my experience, getting held accountable seems to be more effective in the private sector. Now, I’m not talking about the top folks, but the staff. For instance, my director was only around less than two years before he was released.Report

              • Michael Cain in reply to Damon
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                Staff in the public sector are generally covered by civil service laws and regulations of some sort. So firing someone often requires compiling a written record of the problem(s), creation of a plan giving them a chance to correct the problem(s), documenting the success or failure of the plan, etc. Things often have to be going on for a long time before the manager decides to take on that burden.

                I worked for a giant telecom that had similar internal rules about process. Same problem — things could be glossed over for a long time before the manager decides to go to the effort.Report

              • InMD in reply to Damon
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                Oh yea it’s way more effective. In my brief time as a federal employee my take away was that if you made it through the 1 year probationary period, short some sort of serious criminal act, you were unfireable. There were people collecting pay checks who I’m pretty sure hadn’t lifted a finger in years. Or people whose only job seemed to be playing the bureaucracy to continued employment.

                My experience in the private sector is that while you can get rid of people there are all kinds of ways that it gets dodged or delayed to an absurd degree, from nepotism to ass covering to laziness (i.e. easier to keep a bad performer than recruit and train someone better) to just plain risk aversion.

                Not that you want a place where people think every day they walk in the door could be their last either. I’m just saying the private sector isn’t the well oiled machine of brutal efficiency where you perform or you’re out that it’s at times made out to be.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Damon
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      we don’t forget about the problems. We want to fix them. But we have to deal with new political appointees every four years and a Congress that values the publicity of new and sexy over old and reliable. Never mind the desire by an entire political party to cut taxes before everything.

      Take FEMA – it has mobilized 7,000 feds into the disaster zone in little over a week. They have already shoveled $50 million ish into rescue, recovery and relief efforts. How much faster and more competently do you want them to work? And are you as upset with the House that adjourned to go get reelected without acting on FEMA’s request disaster funds the week before Helene?Report

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