Veronica Mars and the Case of the Overused Sexual Tension
SPOILER ALERT! Seriously, this whole entire article has massive Veronica Mars spoilers in it, and a Farscape one too.
I’ve really been sitting on the fence about watching the new Veronica Mars reboot.
The reason for this is not only because I hated the terrible Veronica Mars movie but also because I accidentally read that Logan dies at the end of the fourth season of VM.
Ok, it was accidentally on purpose. I don’t like being blindsided by sad things happening to characters I like – I always read the last few pages of the book and read the synopsis before, or even during watching a movie – so when I read a headline about a shocking death in Neptune I couldn’t resist finding out who it was. Anyway, I’m glad I read the Cliffs Notes, because I would have been really peeved if I invested a bunch of time watching S4 only to have that happen.
I’m pretty peeved anyway though because I think Veronica and Logan are a really interesting couple. Despite the fact that the writers of Veronica Mars did everything in their power to repeatedly break Logan and Veronica up only to get them back together again, despite the fact that neither the breakups nor the reunion made a lick of sense at all, Veronica and Logan remain one of my favorite TV romances ever.
To catch you up, non-Marshmallows, Logan was originally the primary antagonist of the show, and I don’t mean a cute and cuddly misunderstood James Dean kind of antagonist. Logan Echolls was a legitimately awful bully, a broken person, and a good part of the time you were wondering if he was either a rapist or a murderer. Veronica had a much more likeable romantic interest who seemed of paramount important to the plot, and I would have sworn Logan was simply there as an obnoxious foil standing in the way of true love always. When the writers pulled that bait and switch on me and got Veronica and Logan together, it was pure awesomesauce, in no small part because it was so unexpected. It was such a breath of fresh air to have my predictions turned completely on their head.
And the weird thing was, it made sense. LoVe was a total surprise, a shock, even, and yet I was like “oh wow that would have actually happened IRL”. Any girl who’s ever had a boy dipping her braids in the inkwell knows that often the meanest guy in the pack is the one who’s totally into you (that is NOT just your mom saying that to make you feel better). That same girl also knows that for reasons only the ghost of Charles Darwin understands, we often find ourselves drawn to that bully even when we don’t get why. It’s befuddling. You think you hate each other, and yet, there you are, finding yourself in a relationship with someone you don’t even think you like. Veronica and Logan seemed genuinely and believably confused by their fledgling romance, with both of them having second and third and tenth thoughts regularly.
If you haven’t watched Veronica Mars you may think this is just another case of opposites attract, like Sam and Diane on Cheers or Dave and Maddie on Moonlighting, but it isn’t. Logan and Veronica were not just another case of “Will They or Won’t They”; it was a story of two wounded people finding something in each other. Their coupling felt totally fresh, I’m sure because the personal failings of troubled and traumatized teens resonated with me a lot more than “retired pro ball player” and “retired supermodel” .
I couldn’t wait to see where VM creator Rob Thomas was going with it all. I thought for sure Veronica and Logan were going to team up and start solving mysteries, like Nick and Nora Charles, only the much more emotionally unstable 2000’s edition. I was really looking forward to watching Logan and Veronica, with all their quirks and foibles and baggage and mutual fault lines, meandering through the VM universe stirring up trouble. As a viewer, there is little better than putting yourself into the hands of writers who have a plan to take you somewhere you haven’t been a thousand times already.
But I’m sad to report the writers didn’t actually know where they wanted to go with it, or maybe it was just because they wanted Veronica to have a lot of boyfriends, #feminism. IDK. Regardless of why, as is so often the case, the writers fell back into the comforting arms of the “Will They or Won’t They” trope and started throwing manufactured melodrama at the characters to keep them apart so we viewers could keep hoping they’d get back together again. You know the kind of thing I’m talking about – some ridiculous falling out over the thinnest of pretenses, where no one talks to each other even though any rational person would just say “hey this thing that happened, what was that about?” and get it all worked out. Well, the writers beat that dead horse again and again and by the end of the third season I was so sick of it I wasn’t even too sorry that Veronica Mars had gotten cancelled.
I maintain “Will They or Won’t They” is a poison. I despise it. More accurately, I like it at first, but after a reasonable time, any sane red-blooded couple would get together, it’s just how life works. No one in their right minds, unless separated by work requirements or marriage to others, would carry on a smoldering pseudoromance for season upon season if they wanted to be in a relationship. Even if you know the other person isn’t right for you in the long term, in the long term we are all dead, and hormones are powerful things. 999 times out of 1000, if a Logan and a Veronica wanted to be together, even if they didn’t always or usually make sense, they’d find a way to make it happen. All the clumsy writing and Shakespearean misunderstandings in the world couldn’t keep them apart.
But whatevs, I guess, because apparently now Logan has outlived his usefulness and has been blown up – despite the fact that he’s a great character who grew and changed over time, and despite the fact that Jason Dohring, who plays Logan, is a fantastic actor with a unique “creepy boy next door” vibe. (What do you get when you put Jimmy Stewart and toxic masculinity in a blender? Jason Dohring playing Logan Echolls.) Even though Kristen Bell is both darling and talented, Jason Dohring is a huge part of why Veronica Mars worked as well as it did, and sadly I think we’re all about to get proof that that was the case. Both the actor and the character deserved better than being exploded by a car bomb (he didn’t get a death scene, or even a funeral!!!) so some lazy writers can passively splooge their way out of having to think outside the “Sam and Diane” box. I assume they killed Logan so Veronica can now have “Will They or Won’t They” with some other guy, because that’s apparently all the writers of Veronica Mars know how to do.
In my life, I’ve often been struck by how hard people will work to avoid work. It’s true in every arena I’ve ever been involved in, and writing is not exempt. I suspect that to many writers, “Will They or Won’t They” is easy. It’s a known quantity, all cozy and familiar. We grew up watching Friends, we know the script by heart already. Writers have it drummed into our heads to keep our leads apart even when it makes no fricking sense for the plot or the characters to be apart, because “everyone knows” once they get together no one watches any more.
But it doesn’t HAVE to be like that, particularly in a mystery series like Veronica Mars. Couples solving mysteries together is decidedly a thing in the detective genre – I already mentioned Nick and Nora Charles, but what about McMillan and Wife, Scarecrow and Ms. King, Hart to Hart, or any one of hundreds of popular mystery book series that feature a relationship at their core? Even Agatha Christie had Tommy and Tuppence. Romance aside, there are tons of shows where two guys team up to solve mysteries – Hardcastle and McCormick, Simon and Simon, Jake and the Fatman, Starsky and Hutch – and several more where two women or a woman and a man solve mysteries as partners, not necessarily sex partners. “Will They or Won’t They” is NOT a prerequisite for a compelling detective show.
I refuse to believe that there was no reasonable way for Veronica and Logan to get together, stay together, have adventures together, and work things out, together. The writers of VM did not have to resort to such ridiculous lengths to continue the “unresolved sexual tension” trope way past its expiration date, even resorting to have Veronica turn into an uncharacteristic huge naggy bitch in S4. “Will They or Won’t They” was NEVER mandatory. It wasn’t necessary. It was taking the easy way out. And don’t tell me “it’s noir”, because The Thin Man – featuring Nick and Nora Charles – is noir. While noir is dark and gritty, it doesn’t have to end with everyone dying. Veronica Mars is not a Tarantino movie.
As a writer myself, I just do not believe it is any harder to write a continuing relationship than it was coming up with all that crap that was supposed to keep Veronica and Logan in the land of WTOWT lo these many years. From Season 3 on, watching Veronica Mars is reminiscent of that person we all know who spends 10 hours plotting and scheming and stressing out to avoid 5 hours of doing actual work. Rob Thomas even ADMITS he killed off Logan because he was tired of doing the additional writing Logan’s character required.
Here’s a novel concept, Rob, my man. JUST DO THE WORK, DUDE. I gave you my time, energy, and even money to rent the Veronica Mars movie (which, I’d really like a refund on that, because it totally sucked). It’s really quite disappointing that people who get paid into the seven figures can’t expend a wee bit of extra effort to keep going with a character who was fundamental to the chemistry of the show simply because it was a bit of a challenge for them. I would kill and/or die to make money writing a TV show as would a whole lot of other people. If you don’t wanna do it any more, Rob, hire some people who do. The world has no shortage of talented writers trying to break into the industry.
There is so much to love about Veronica Mars. The characterizations, the intricate plots…the season finale of Veronica Mars’ first year is hands down the most gripping hour of network television I’ve ever watched. Rob Thomas and crew are undoubtedly creative, imaginative people. I just wish they’d have stretched their brains rather than going back to that dry old WTOWT well and then giving up when they found nothing but Sam Malone’s discarded toupee down there.
Veronica Mars could have, and should have given us “They Did, Now What” instead of “Will They or Won’t They”. It would have been a much better show for it. And even more, it would have had a better message.
Because “Will They or Won’t They” is not only completely boring, it’s actually kind of toxic. WTOWT treats sex like it’s the final boss in a video game or something – once you have it, it’s game over. Your goal has been achieved. The shark has been jumped. Sex with this one particular person is the primary driving factor in our characters’ lives and everything leads up to this huge, life-changing, series-ruining moment. But in reality, sex tends to happen more at the beginning of a relationship and not after years of longing looks and double entendres (oftentimes, fairly underwhelming sex that is not in any way transformative, but luckily it tends to get better over the course of time) and then the question becomes what do you do then? Can this relationship work in the long term? What do we want out of this, anyway?
Some people will tell you it can’t be done. But it already has been. The best television romance ever is exceptional in that the lead characters DO get together in the Biblical sense fairly early on in the series and then have to overcome several obstacles (both external and self-imposed) to get to the happily-ever-after. This show is called Farscape and if you haven’t watched it, you should, even if you hate science fiction and Muppets, because it’s the most perfect love story ever featured on the small screen.
In Farscape, sex is not treated as the endgame for heroes Aeryn and Crichton. The endgame is ironing out the problems in their lives and in their relationship and building something that is more than just sex. The endgame is facing all the horrible things the universe has to throw their way, and overcoming them together, despite the fact that – not unlike Veronica and Logan – they’re both supremely flawed beings who drive each other crazy at times. Farscape is much more representative of real love, of a real relationship, than “Will They or Won’t They” and it is SO MUCH MORE interesting for viewers than that same tired shell game of keeping two people who want to be together, apart, even if it means blowing one of them to smithereens.
So will she, or won’t she watch Veronica Mars Season 4?
She won’t.
I think I’ll just watch Farscape again.
For me Veronica Mars was always about the cases, and her romantic relationships with whomever is always the least interesting part of the show, so Logan was no big loss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Report
The mysteries after the first season were pretty shoddy, so not sure why you continued watching at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Report
Thanks for reading, Julia!Report
Thanks for reading. I appreciate your time.
People enjoy different elements of shows. To be honest I couldn’t tell you a single case Veronica solved in any of her hourlong adventures (I do remember the plot arc mysteries). So for me it was a big loss.Report
Yes, thank you, my God. I hate the will-they-or-wont-they thing. It’s fun for a while but, as you said, it wears out its welcome. It was one of the things that dragged down the X-files as well. And the break-up-get-back-together-will-they-or-wont-they things is even worse. One of the things i genuinely like about Seinfeld was that they never had that. Elaine was interested in either George or Cosmo. And she’d been with Jerry, they’d decided it didn’t work and so it never came up as a possibility.
I never watched the show but I understand Bones played this out the semi- right way — there was tension, they got together and then they continued working together as a team.Report
Newsradio did it the best way: the network wanted will-they-or-wont-they so the writers put them together in episode 2.Report
Lord Peter and Harriet Vane are Married (somewhat) straight away… at least he proposes on their first meeting… she declines on principle – what with the allure and sex appeal of a murder indictment, she wanted to make sure it was real love. By the end we have Murder Mysteries with one, the other, both and even children.
A good production of Lord Peter and Harriet Vane would be a billion dollar tent-pole (assuming they reveal their super powers, of course).Report
They meet in book 5 and she doesn’t accept his proposal until book 10. Contrast they meet, he fall in loves, she marries someone else, all in one short story for Irene Adler.Report
Well, can’t argue with a short story…
But to Kristen’s point… its not a boring will they / won’t they crutch… Book 5 is Peter solving Harriet’s mystery; Book 7 is them jointly solving a mystery; and Book 10 is Harriet leading the way. Meanwhile Books 1-5, 6, 8 & 9 have no love story at all (IIRC)… Peter isn’t pining for Harriet while working out the intricacies of English Church Change-Ringing and Harriet is doing the bohemian things that mystery writers do. It takes some effort to keep them apart and to shift the narrative from Peter to Harriet. That’s the effort I think Kristin is suggesting.
If and when I tire of Marchmaine, I shall retreat to Death Bredon.
If you haven’t already, you should read the short story:
<a href="https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/sayersdl-treasury/sayersdl-treasury-00-h-dir/sayersdl-treasury-00-h.html#Page_258"THE BIBULOUS BUSINESS OF A MATTER OF TASTEReport
Yes! With a little effort and creativity this stuff is doable. On Farscape, Crichton and Aeryn weren’t always attached at the hip, they both went off and had adventures separately and it only added to the complexity of the show.Report
I read a synopsis of their adventures researching this piece, thanks for mentioning it.Report
NewsRadio totally blew my mind when they skipped the WTOWT. I was actually going to stop watching it (I hate sitcoms but gave it a whirl) but then that happened.Report
The X-Files really infuriates me because they could SO EASILY have had it as Scully gradually gets more and more disillusioned with Mulder even as she gets more and more convinced that some of the supernatural stuff is actually real. Sometimes spending a lot of time with a person makes you like them LESS, not more – and in the workplace this is a particular thing. Thanks for reading!Report
I’m happy that you ultimately decided not to watch it, because I invested the time in watching the entire season just for Logan to die at the very end and ruin all of it. I want my time back, or, more appropriately, I want the writer to go back in time and not ruin something that could’ve had a really satisfying ending.Report
Thank you for letting me know that. I really do think that for me, it would have been a lot of wasted time.Report
I hate and despise the “all girls want bad boys” trope with a fiery passion. For some reason it just flares up a lot of anger because as somebody who is far removed from the bad boy type, it just sends an impression that “these are the men heterosexual women desire and you are not it, even if you get a woman she might love you but she will never desire you.” Loveable rogues are another source of irritation.
Years ago, when I still read dating advice sites, a young woman had an essay where she wrote about the difference between the the type of men you have sizzling chemistry with and the type of men you have deep loving connections with. Since this site had a comments section, I admit to kind of flipping because she didn’t seem to consider that a man might want to have sizzling chemistry to even if he wasn’t officially that type of man. It’s treating men as a sort of prop. There is a similar quote from one of those mid-20th century anthropologists, I think Ruth Benedict, about women needing three type of men in her life. I’m not going to find the quote but it roughly translate to a bad boy for thrills and chills when young, a stable loving man to raise a family with, and something else for old age. And I guess if you aren’t the bad boy type, you are just supposed to wait around until women need who I am.
I’m getting really tired of the entire edifice of heterosexual dating. I’m turning 39 very soon and still looking for a girlfriend when nearly all of my peer group is married with children, maybe even more than once, or at least had a couple of relationships. I’m stuck where women think that I’m a kind/interesting guy but for somebody else or can’t seem to stand me at all. And you can’t complain about this, if you do people have so many ways to attack you “nice guy”, “incel”, etc. For these bad boys, being a real man seems an exercise in eternal self-indulgence while I get to be the sacrifice.Report
I actually have a piece in my head about the bad boy trope and Veronica Mars. There’s part of the show where they do it right – really more of a cautionary tale where Logan actually and honestly shows (unlike most shows where the bad boy walks around in a leather jacket and does nothing wrong) the many negatives of being in a relationship with a bad boy – and then part of the show where the writers do everything wrong in the bad-boy and somehow Logan magically turns into a perfect superhero and it’s all pretty gross. I should write that.
But until I do, the relationship between Veronica and Logan is not what you think it is, and should not be now taken as evidence in your larger case that good guys are being wronged by women because they only want bad boys.
For whatever it’s worth, it sometimes seems to me that out of one side of your mouth, you (rightfully) criticize (some) women as buying too much into tropes and caricatures regarding men, but then out of the other, you totally buy into tropes and caricatures of women. On the one hand you’re like “how dare women reduce men to lovable rogues/incels” but then on the other you are reducing women to shallow, superficial ninnies who want thrills and chills and then to settle down with some poor sap they are taking financial advantage of. Fun fact, a good number of “good guys” who take care of their families are in fact bad boys who settled down as they got older, and a good number of “good guys” wake up at the age of 40 or 50 and decide to run around and be “bad boys”. These categories are not mutually exclusive or set in stone.
Maybe we’re all just a lot more complicated than a series of Hollywood tropes, the men’s rights movement, and the blathering of mid-20th century anthropologists would have us think.Report
Bringing back Veronica Mars seems like the same creative bankruptcy as bring back Roseanne, Will and Grace, Full House, Murphy Brown, etc.Report
I enjoyed the revival of Prison Break. It wasn’t the best season, but I was ok with it. I can’t think of another revival that I watched and liked. Actually, I’m having trouble thinking of any I even watched. If a show has been around long enough to become iconic, it’s probably near (or past) the point that it’s running out of material. In principle, though, I’m ok with revivals. Not every cast clicks. There aren’t that many premises for TV shows, so if you’re going to play out a scenario with a random cast or a dependable one, I have no problem with going back to the originals.Report
To me, there’s a difference between bringing back shows that ran (and overran) their course, and then shows that were wrongfully cancelled.
But yes.Report
Never watched VM but I’ve watches Farscape a LOT. The “romance” is written well and I concur with the author’s statements. Loved the scene in S 02 E 11 where Aerin scented her hair and then runs off in a huff so as not to be a “slave to” John’s hormones. She can’t tell him she loves him and he won’t either, not until he thinks he’ll doe over the brain implant. Frankly, the writing is some of the best I’ve seen on TV.Report
YES!!!! It’s so so so good.Report
Veronica Mars on this set was vulgar, doing drygs, foul mouthed, total jerk (okay she was not warm and fuzzy before, but really ramped up the unlikable part in retro season 4), and very judgemental. I like the more honorable Veronica Mars in the previous seasons.Report
That’s what I read as well. Thanks for sharing your take on it!Report
I had never originally watched Veronica Mars, and was looking for a binge-worthy show. I really enjoyed it. I admit the movie wasn’t as good as the first 3 seasons, but it was adequate. I found season 4 ok. I think that having Veronica have some hard edges made sense. She’s older and has had experience in the real world. I loved that she and Logan were together, but she was reluctant to take the leap. I hated the ending. I actually cried. I was thinking she was going to visit him in some rehab hospital when she was driving. I was hoping for that. I actually miss what might have been between them in a future season. Anger aside at Logan’s death, I will still watch another season if there is one!Report
I know I would cry and I have enough bad stuff in reality, I don’t need that in my shows! Thank you so much for reading and sharing your take!Report
Season 5: Veronica keeps finding clues that somehow Logan, in his top secret naval intelligence, is still alive and she desperately searches for the man she loves beside her former flame/ FBI agent Leo.
Here’s hoping because I need Logan Echols/ Jason Dohring alive!Report
That actually makes total sense and once again restores the tension between the two of them except Logan would help her be calmer since she is more jaded and he seems to be a calmer person with a less anger problems. And Leo helping to find Logan along with Veronica that’s a great great twist. Nice!Report
I read a few people speculating about that and I will happily watch if that turns out to be the case!!!
Even if they don’t bring Logan back, I hope someone gives Jason Dohring a vehicle of his own sometime soon. He deserves it.Report
I completely agree! Veronica and Logan were quite the epic love story and he was a huge part of the show. I really wanted to see them solve crimes together! I have watched them for all these years just to have him die? No thank you. Frankly many times I thought she was quite the bitch and expected way too much from him. She definitely should have appreciated him more. How often did she pour her heart out to him or show him that she loved him??Report
Thanks so much for reading!! Really appreciate it.Report
This is a…strange take on Veronica Mars, which was never really WTOWT. I think maybe there’s some misremembering of of the early seasons of VM going on there. (Which is not that weird, considering how long ago it was.)
For most of season one, Logan was still in pure ‘psychotic jackass’ mode, and, no, there was no UST there at all. Then, about four episodes from the end, Logan became less jackassy, and the UST started….along with him being considered as a serious suspect in Lily’s murder, so…a large amount of danger of Veronica working with him to investigate that! And then, after we learned he didn’t do it, they got together, and broke up, offscreen, between season one and two!
That’s not WTOWT. WTOWT is whether or not two characters will get together at all, it’s not two characters that have already dated.
The show’s never been ‘Will Logan and Veronica get together?’, the question it’s always asked is ‘Will Veronica end up with Logan or [obviously less dangerous choice]?’.
This…is rather obvious when you realize the show is a Hardboiled Detective stories, except gender-flipped. (For simplicity’s sake, I’ll keep using the wrong gender-specific terms for the characters, simply because the gender-flip isn’t done often enough for there to _be_ opposite gender terms.)
The question in that genre isn’t never ‘When will the detective will hook up with the femme fatale?’, because they do that all the time. The question is if they will choose the femme fatale or the nice safe girl. Aka Duncan. Or Piz. Or even Leo to some extent. That’s why those characters _exist_, as a contrast with the dangerous but sexy choice of Logan, femme fatale.
But then, the creators did something that is not normally done in Hardboiled Detective, and, assuming this was their last story with that universe, honestly redeemed the femme fatale, and had him and the detective ride off into the sunset together.
But then…Hulu said ‘Okay, let’s make more’ and the writers had a problem. The entire conflict, the entire way romance plots function in that genre, is supposed be between who the detective will choose, with the femme fatale presenting the overt sexuality and danger and everything, and the nice safe girl representing a future and a family and someone they can trust. But they’d…basically turned Logan into a character with all the advantages of both.
Which would be an entirely reasonable _ending_ to a series, but can’t possibly work within future Hardboiled Detective stories. Not only because that screws up the romance dynamics (And honestly the entire season 4 felt somewhat odd because of that.), but because hardboiled detectives aren’t supposed to be happy.Report
That said…I sorta think killing Logan was a dumb move, mostly because I feel the fans never actually understood what the writers were doing, and the rotation of nice safe girls resulted in most of the fans eventually hopping on Team Logan, and the movie shrugging and saying ‘Sure, we can end with that, why not?’.
Their original intent sorta fell apart when Duncan left the show, and then the movie, and I feel trying to get _back_ to how the show was supposed to work was probably a mistake. And even if they had wanted to go back, they could have done some sort of watered-down thing where Veronica and Logan have a much worse relationship, with a lot of stress in it from his military duties and her putting herself in danger, and even shown that Logan wasn’t quite as picture-perfect as the movie had turned him into….and then had them split up for some reason.
Which would have allowed the writers to reintroduce another nice girl character (Or just use Leo.) and the dynamic is back.
Or alternately just made Logan into the nice guy that he halfway was already, shown that Veronica isn’t actually satisfied with a nice safe girl, and introduced some actual new femme fatale.Report
There seems to be an ongoing theme in the comments here where I am told “but the show is a mystery, not a romance” as if mysteries are somehow superior to romances and that by liking the romance angle I’m somehow revealing myself as incapable of getting the point of the show.
But hey, go back and reread the other comments. Several other people chimed in to concur that they too enjoyed the romance angle – perhaps even more than the mystery angle – and hey again, we get to do that. We don’t all have to like the same things in this world and you are not the arbiter of what is proper/intellectual in this world. And if Rob Thomas is too stupid to see that, and kills the goose that laid the Golden Egg, thereby losing lots of viewers based on some misguided, misogynistic notion that romance < mystery, screw him. When you cross genres, the funny thing is, you can cross genres. Farscape is a sci-fi show with a great romance. Shows can have more than one component. A person can enjoy both aspects, and/or prefer one vs. the other. One isn't inferior to the other just because it appeals more to women than dudes. VM turned the rules of the hardboiled detective show on its head in several ways. It is ridiculous to say "oh how delightful, it's a trope twister" and then turn around and say "but detectives aren't supposed to be happy" - if you break one rule, you can break others. You know, David, your "takedowns" of my pieces where you claim I'm too stupid to understand a plot or character, or too addled to remember things correctly, or where you try to explain to me what I am actually saying, reflect a lot more on you than on me. I have ignored it, made light of it, whatever, but telling someone they're "misremembering" something is so ridiculously insulting and sexist I really feel the need to point it out this time. I am not misremembering anything, you missed a fairly critical element of the VM magic when you watched the show.Report
One of the X-Men writers, I forget who (Claremont?), said something to the effect of “I was putting so much effort into my story about the mutants fighting both the evil mutants and the greater society that feared and hated them and all of the letters I was getting were talking about who was kissing.”Report
The problem is, some people see “who’s kissing who” as a problem but there’s a fundamental assumption there that I find kind of sexist. Romance = women = inferior. But love and romance is what makes the world go round. All the wars in the world are fought in some way to get notice/access to women or to be able to provide for a family.Report
and if you think romance is too silly to be discussed, consider Battlestar Galactica, which put a sci-fi wrapper around a philosophical discussion that lots of people found more interesting than the laser battles…Report
Lulvesh@gmail.com now that is a great story concept! Now if we can just get Rob to listen. Logan could now use his connections with the military to help on some of her cases. the new Dynamic that would form would be that Logan would be the calmer one now who would help calm and support Veronica now that she seems to be even more jaded and sarcastic.Report
I’m sorry, that was a response to Patricia’s comment. If you scroll above then it will all make sense!Report
Heather I agree on using his military connection. I thought the same thingReport
Or I thought in one of the seasons they’d bring Duncan back! Then she’d find herself trapped by two people she truly loves or she’d be with Logan and Duncan would have to move on. 🤷🏻♀️
BUT they didn’t have a funeral, didn’t even show a grave so no ones to say he REALLY died. Hardly likely he avoided being killed in a car bomb but maybe he turned around and went back inside for something (granted I think you hear the car engine start). But what I’m saying is there’s no proof really. Not even when she’s driving and “talking” to Logan at the end. She doesn’t exactly indicate he’s dead. Tho she is bitter and I think not wearing a ring (which I would not have taken off!!!!)
How’s the bomber truly know she’d be in her car at 5pm? Seems a little risky that he’d “miss” killing her. 🤔Report
I have to admit I’ve been shocked they didn’t bring Duncan back for at least an episode or two along the way.
They seemed to want to inhabit some in-between with an episodic show and one with story arcs and recurring characters, and too often they’re making IMO wrong choices (keeping recurring characters that aren’t good, writing off good characters in the interest of keeping things episodic)Report
Yes! I would love to see that, although it does feel a little bit “this was all a dream” LOL.
Thanks for reading!Report
I’m sorry, that was a response to Patricia’s comment. If you scroll above then it will all make sense!Report
I too was disappointed in how that season ended. I get if the Logan has other films to do or other things to accomplish so they had to kill off his character but come on. Just as they had gotten married you had to kill him off that quick.
I’d only hoped there was a “we are writing a season 5” where either she’s going to visit him in a hospital or we find out she was pregnant maybe. Idk.
I ended up REALLY liking the show until that last episode and it has honestly left a void in my life. Ugh! Why?!Report
Yeah, see, that’s what happens to me if I hate the way something ends! It’s not just that I think “welp that was a waste of time”, it’s actually upsetting to me. There’s just enough stuff in the real world that I have to deal with already, and I don’t want to expend my life energy on fictional characters if I hate where the story is headed. Thanks for reading!Report
I really want you to watch this season now so that I can read you discussing the folley of criticizing something you haven’t seen. Perhaps you still won’t like it, but at least you’ll understand how utterly ridiculous 95% of this article is.Report
I’m sorry you didn’t like the article. The fact is, I have a very busy life and I have to pick and choose what I watch and what I don’t, and this was an article about why I decided to pass.
Kinda would have defeated the purpose if I had watched the show.Report
I’ve decided that we should scrub season 4 from our memory and hire Kristin to re-write it.
A Nick-and-Nora version of V-and-L would be pretty choice.Report
There are times when I’m laying there in bed, half asleep, dreamthinking “they’re going to do a Kickstarter to remake the Veronica Mars movie only better” but then the alarm goes off…Report
I have to agree on so many levels with this article. I was a kickstarter on the movie, we are a dedicated fan base. I mean this premeried almost two months ago and we are still talking about it. The entire season was LAZY writing. She is an adult so she does adult things now like take E and get high and shoots a gun. UM No. Just NO. I would have been mildly ok if they had felt the need to write Logan off if it was done appropriately. If they ended the will they won’t they, with they won’t because VM can’t seem to get her act together emotionally. Or if they used his job to be a killed in action, with a funeral and a goodbye. But instead Rob Thomas DOUBLED DOWN on the very thing he was complaining about the high school romance will they won’t they angle. Rob if you didn’t want us to be invested in the LoVe situation then you should have spent the entire season developing it even more. RT is no George R. R. Martin, I am sorry to say, when he killed a beloved character off it was for purpose, and meaning, and drove the story along, and not by force, and not for the ease of it, it meant something. I’ve been telling friends to watch this show for years, and now that there is a new season out I had a few say ok I think I will and sadly I told them don’t bother. He put the story and all the characters through a grinder and served up a pile of bland mush in it’s place.Report
YES!!
If they didn’t want us to be invested in LoVe then they could have simply had them part ways when Veronica went to college. He didn’t have to continue that terrible love triangle in the movie. It made no sense to even do that, if he was trying to cater to the people who liked Logan. So it’s very silly of RT to do all that stuff (at the expense of S3 and the movie – not having Logan in either of those – or as a less important character – probably would have improved them) only to be all like “yeah this is getting too hard, car bomb”Report
I agree with Brandon’s comment. I find it a bit ridiculous for someone to rattle on for that long and to be so critical about something they haven’t even seen? Couldn’t take the article seriously and can’t help but think that you would might change your mind after watching the show.Report
Sorry you didn’t like it. I’ve wanted to talk about WTOWT and Veronica Mars for a long time, and the ending of S4 gave me the opportunity to discuss something I wanted to talk about already.
I don’t have time in my life to watch things I don’t want to watch. There’s too much great content out there. This isn’t and never was a Season Four review, it was an article about what bugged me about S3 VM, the movie, and why I’m taking a pass on S4.Report
My all time favorite (book) mystery series is Nero Wolfe. And lets face it, he and Archie Goodwin are an old married couple.Report
Ha! YESReport
I honestly thought the show was a season too long as it is. The premiere episode set up a premise that, by the season 2 finale, had been completely resolved.Report
I couldn’t agree more. I felt like they’d had a plan, and the plan was two seasons, and they didn’t know what to do next.Report
I was the season. I also read articles where Rob Thomas was asked about it. He pretty much said they decided to eliminate the “will they/won’t they” angle by having Veronica and Logan getting their happily ever after and then having it cut short. Their feeling is that they’d like to expand the world of VM a bit, and also focus on the hard-boiled detective aspect more. Noir detectives aren’t generally happy, well adjusted people. So it made sense that as Veronica’s life seemed to be falling into place, tragedy struck. I’m willing to give it a chance that they’ll go into interesting places with it.Report
See, I don’t think they are going to eliminate it. They’re going to bring in some other guys/gals and have the same dynamic with them, only they’re going to have less interesting characters and less interesting actors and it will be used as a plot device.
There was just a magic with those two characters that doesn’t happen very often. I wish they could have thought outside the box (and it wouldn’tve even had to be far outside) and made it work, even if it meant changing the way they’d imagined the show would be.Report
Agree with most people’s view on Logan’s untimely demise. I hated the reintroduction of Leo…. the puppy waiting in the wings to be adopted because he wags his tail uncontrollably! I think I will pass on VM 5 because I will never be able to gargle the taste of mush that RT served by killing off Logan!Report
Well put!!Report