37 thoughts on “The Emperor Of Ice Cream By Wallace Stevens

    1. Also, for many years this was my favorite Wallace Stevens poem, but now I just start thinking about “Sunday Morning” like once a week. The themes are not, of course, dissimilar.Report

  1. Well, if I had to pick a favorite Wallace Stevens poem, this would be The Poems of Our Climate.

    http://www.immortalmuse.com/2010/06/14/tuesday-poem-the-poems-of-our-climate-by-wallace-stevens/

    Re-Statement of Romance comes in a close second.

    http://wallacestevens.tumblr.com/

    I almost had it read at our wedding but thought people might find it a tad bleak.

    Stevens is one of my favorite poets, even if I’m never really sure what his a lot poems mean. But they’re just so wonderful to read aloud. That said, I’ve never really liked The Emperor of Ice Cream and, were this poem all I knew of Stevens, I doubt I’d be a fan. I do like your interpretation of it though, Jay. I might have to reconsider.Report

    1. “Bleak”

      That’s one of those things that I see other people describe him as that I don’t really see. Okay, maybe Lunar Paraphrase. But, for the most part, I see him as almost naively describing the things that he sees before him and, if he’s to be faulted, he’s to be faulted for being childishly honest.Report

      1. I don’t see it either. Irreverent, maybe, at times profound, at times profoundly un-profound, at times abtruse, but rarely bleak even when he’s talking about death. Because as I mentioned, “death is the mother of beauty,” and he uses it as a celebration of life (see Sunday Morning).

        Bleak is more like,

        I cannot live with you
        It would be Life
        And Life is over there
        Behind the Shelf

        That’s some bleakness.Report

      2. I should clarify. I don’t find the poem bleak but felt others might especially at a wedding since, to me, it’s basically saying that no matter how close to someone else we get, we’re still essentially alone. Plus, The Russian didn’t like it. Nor does he have much use for Wallace Stevens. Not enough rhyme for him. Apparently, in Russia, all poems must rhyme.Report

      3. I used to agree 100% with The Russian on that.

        Then I met Morrissey.

        In any case, I understand the whole “essentially alone” thing, but it’s very nice to find someone with whom you can be essentially alone.Report

  2. As someone who’s been reading this site since nearly its inception, I had no idea what Jaybird looked or sounded like, but that was not even close to what I imagined in my head.Report

    1. I have actually taken and bottled up what I figured Jaybird to look and sound like and have decided that I will take that and use it in a novel some day as a side character. (His bottle is standing next to Tod Kelly’s, who – if I ever write said novel – will be a chief of staff and advisor to a governor in the Mountain West). I haven’t figured out what I will use Jaybird for.Report

      1. I would like to be a character, with the understanding that I will a.) be a decidedly evil villain, and b.) have the ability to shoot flames out of my eyes. If b.) is not possible, then shooting flames out of some other part of my body will suffice.Report

      2. The fat bearded guy who explains the universe!

        “If you’re so freakin’ smart, why are you behind the counter at a gas station?”

        “Time to read. Slushpuppies. The ability to go home and think about things that aren’t my job.”

        (edit to bring it home)

        “It can’t pay that much.”

        “The only emperor is the emperor of Slushpuppies.”Report

      3. be a decidedly evil villain

        Will do! Warning, though, you might reform at some point…

        have the ability to shoot flames out of my eyes.

        Will do! Maybe the eyes, maybe the ears. (“What’s that, I can’t hear you! {blast} BWAHAHAHA!”)Report

      4. Grows in very unevenly for me. I have a non-connecting stache-goatee when I have facial hair. When I try to grow it all out, it actually looks kinda cool on one side. It’s almost a bit like this dude’s. But on the other side it’s a mess. I get like a love patch on my cheek.Report

      1. It’s like with radio personalities, people you hear all the time but never see. I’ll listen to someone for years, building up this picture in my mind, and then one day I’ll google them and I’m always waaay off.Report

      2. I sound much younger than I am, especially on the phone. I was in my thirties before phone soliciters stopped asking if my parents were home. Or maybe that was just Do Not Call kicking in.Report

  3. Speaking of the poem itself, I always figured “Let be be finale of seem” was not only where we are told that we’re in the presence of death, but that it’s where we get told what the poem as a whole is supposed to tell us, specifically that death puts an end to the illusions of life (the social? our fantasies about ourselves and others?), lays it bare so to speak, and leaves us with only what is.

    I’m trying hard not to read it in the context of Sunday Morning, but with its focus on the value of this life even in the absence of another above, before, and after it, that’s the message I get: death brings into stark relief the reality of life in its finitude, and essentially demands that you cut the shit out and live for what is, for what’s now, for what’s good. The only emperor is the Emperor of Ice Cream.Report

  4. Or maybe:

    QUEEN GERTRUDE
    Good Hamlet, cast thy nighted colour off,
    And let thine eye look like a friend on Denmark.
    Do not for ever with thy vailed lids
    Seek for thy noble father in the dust:
    Thou know’st ’tis common; all that lives must die,
    Passing through nature to eternity.

    HAMLET
    Ay, madam, it is common.

    QUEEN GERTRUDE
    If it be,
    Why seems it so particular with thee?

    HAMLET
    Seems, madam! nay it is; I know not ‘seems.’
    ‘Tis not alone my inky cloak, good mother,
    Nor customary suits of solemn black,
    Nor windy suspiration of forced breath,
    No, nor the fruitful river in the eye,
    Nor the dejected ‘havior of the visage,
    Together with all forms, moods, shapes of grief,
    That can denote me truly: these indeed seem,
    For they are actions that a man might play:
    But I have that within which passeth show;
    These but the trappings and the suits of woe.Report

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