Just Because She Has Crazy Eyes Doesn’t Mean She’s A Traitor
Setting aside some of the obnoxious partisan rhetoric (seriously, how is it the left’s fault that Michele Bachmann has dual citizenship?), this post by Mark Krikorian at NRO has some interesting nuggets buried within.
First, and maybe less interesting, this is what happens when our news cycle becomes politics 24/7. We become incapable of seeing the world as anything other than a game of tribes and loyalty. Everything you do becomes about which team you’re on, who you’re pledging allegiance to, and so on. It creates this Manichean drive where everything is either right or wrong, and if you disagree with me it’s because you’re some kind of heathen.
Why is it an “insult” to the United States and Switzerland to want citizenship in both? I don’t know Michele Bachmann’s story, and I don’t pretend to, but I have friends with dual citizenship. One of my best friends spent part of her childhood in Germany and most of the rest of her life here, but she still has family in Germany. She visits them often, spends a fair amount of time there, speaks the language fluently. She even likes the food! Germany is as much a part of her life as anything else. I don’t think she feels like she is “pretending” anything with her dual citizenship.
That said, there is an interesting tension inherent in this, and I think Krikorian is getting at it fairly well underneath all the hyperbole. He quotes the oath we make new citizens swear, which I’ll reproduce (in part) here:
I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.
That’s not very ambiguous. Dual citizenship is incompatible with the words in that oath. So is Catholicism, I think. But rather than conclude that that means dual citizenship (or Catholicism) is un-American, why not turn it around? Is that oath really necessary? Does it represent what we want from citizens?
Krikorian also quotes John Fonte: “Dual allegiance is incompatible with the moral basis of American constitutional democracy.” This strikes me as just totally confused. Dual citizenship may be incompatible with some formal or legal aspect of American constitutional democracy, but its moral basis? The moral basis of American constitutional democracy is precisely that “all men are created equal” and endowed with rights, like the right to pursue their happiness. What’s more, it was laid out in a document that expressly rejected the authority of the crown. From literally the first moment the United States was even a thing, we opposed the notion that allegiance has much of anything to do with the moral basis of government. Government exists to defend our freedoms, not demand our loyalty.
This, of course, is not something we always get right. I grew up saying the Pledge of Allegiance every day – with the “under God” part in it! The Japanese internment camps of World War II are a blight on the nation’s honor. Just a few short years ago, you were either “with us or against us”. Joe McCarthy had a list. There is an authoritarian strain in American politics that comes from the worst in us, but it is not a natural part of our political order. We should recognize that our core constitutional rights involve the right to criticize the state, to defend ourselves against it, and to live unmolested by it. Our tradition says that the state is not the thing that makes us Americans; rather, it’s the freedom to form all the little allegiances – to family, to church, to our favorite football teams – or not to form any at all, if that’s what we choose. That a conservative thinks loyalty to the state trumps all of this says everything you need to know about contemporary conservatism.
I am rarely in the business of defending Michele Bachmann, and she is hardly innocent of stoking the authoritarian undercurrent in America, but leave the woman alone. I don’t pretend to know what Switzerland means to her or her family, and I don’t need to know. It’s her business. She isn’t hurting anyone. Leave her be.
“even likes the food”–fighting words, sir. Hendl is goddamn delicious.
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I’m not sure that “roast chicken” is really Germany’s to claim.Report
I don’t think dual-citizenship is an issue for regular citizens. However, I think it’s odd and inappropriate for a legislator to proactively apply and get foreign citizenship while in office.Report
This is actually an interesting aspect of the argument that I now wish I had discussed!Report
I would go with “odd” and maybe even raising questions, but I don’t think I would full-on say “inappropriate.” The whys matter here. If you have a foreign spouse, for instance. Or you adopted internationally and want citizenship in your child’s country of birth.Report
I agree with Will, but I’ll add that when it come to someone who wants to be president, it becomes less appropriate for someone to retain dual citizenship, again assuming it’s not an issue similar to the one Will describes where the person might only unwittingly be a dual citizen.Report
I can’t disagree with any of this. I also appreciate you taking Krikorian’s argument seriously. There is a case against dual citizenship. I don’t find it convincing, but it should be addressed as you do here. (Also, props for the Catholic angle!)Report
She wouldn’t be eligible for membership in any intelligence oversight committee. SECRET/NOFORN means no foreign nationals and almost everything of national significance is so classified.Report
Would this apply to a Jennifer Granholm?Report
DoD Secret clearances are routinely denied to dual citizens.Report
Routinely as in “regularly” or routinely as in “uniformly”?Report
I don’t know of any exceptions. I do know dual citizens who were denied. It’s a question asked on every clearance application I’ve filled out.Report
I know of one person who received TS even as they were in process of getting rid of two other citizenships. And another tri-national (same deal).Report
As an aside, Turgid Jacobian has one of the most delicious screen names I’ve seen in some time.Report
Thank you sir!Report
Yeah, there are some citizenships which have to be renounced outright, I think UK works that way. There’s also the matter of dual passports: they don’t want you travelling on a non-US passport.Report
I have two passports and travel on my non-US passport regularly. However you must use your US passport when entering or leaving the US. As I’m currently on exchange in the EU, I generally use my EU passport while moving between EU countries.Report
The adjudicators desk reference can be found here: http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/products.html#ADR
The Foreign Influence and Foreign Preference sections indicate “(b) action to acquire or obtain recognition of a foreign citizenship by an American citizen;” is potentially disqualifying.Report
Interesting point. I do wonder how that all gets adjudicated for elected officials. I imagine it really isn’t the same as us peons.Report
DoD does the classification. They run that part of the show.Report
But Congress provides oversight. There is no situation where the fox can completely choose who guards the hen-house.Report
Not really. Some Congresscritters get the PDB, others don’t. DoD wants you to shove your CAC card in the reader. No tickee, no washee.Report
If you have first hand info on that I’ll take your word for it, but my impression is that they play a little looser with clearance rules of committee’s Congresspersons (not really a problem) and their staffers (a problem)Report
Lots has changed over the last few years in the wake of the Bradley Manning fiasco. Upthread, I said membership in the intelligence committees would be the big issue for a dual national. Most Congresscritters don’t know any more than the average civilian. Staffers, jeebus, who the hell knows. I don’t.Report
Nothing’s changed on the clearance or access side due to Manning – there was nothing in his background that would have been negative anyway, under today’s rules. The changes have all be in info systems and the processes associated with them.Report
Manning would be revoked in a heartbeat after his Article 15 these days. And hanging around with hackers.Report
Yes many people get there clearances suspended or revoked going the mast depending on the offense. And for questionable associations. That was true before Manning and is true now. If you want to say supervisors in sensitive positions are being a bit less laisez-faire and more into the intrusive leadership of their troops right now when the spotlight’s on, I won’t disagree.
(otoh, hookers in Colombia)Report
If only this were equally true of the swarms of vile contractors which infest the nether parts of Uncle Sam. The untold and presently un-knowable tiers of subcontractors that swell the ranks of parasites upon his Dark and Stinky Parts have become a national disgrace.Report
Interesting, as of 2005, members of Congress appeared to gain S ex officio. References throughout the interwebs seem to also have bloomed during the ’08 election when birthers were terrified we were electing a Kenyan Usurper–a transcript of a radio interview with an FBI SAC who claimed same (ex officio)Report
Ecch, having a Secret clearance is like being vice-president of a bank, it’s a big nothing. Want a Secret clearance? Get hired by some federal contracting firm, they’ll push you through. Next thing you know, you’re sitting there at that little office at Ft. Dix or some damned where and they’ve printed up your CAC card, hey nonny nonny, you’re back in the saddle again.Report
I’m aware. And in point of fact the same is true for TS. But the point was that they are not adjudicated in the usual way. Staffers go through the usual process, as far as I know–and I know folks who’ve staffed the relevant committees and they were cleared through the same process that everyone else goes through.Report
Your point was that some folx were getting CAC cards ex-officio. I could throw a rock from one end of DC to the other and hit some consulting firm like SAIC or CSC or Boeing or NG every time, they’d hire on any damned old political has-been as a rainmaker and get him a CAC card. Those consulting firms are sprouting up like mushrooms on horse turds all over the area.Report
Negative, my point was exactly as stated, that congresspeople are not cleared through the normal channels. It was merely an interesting question to me and I’d never even cursorily looked for info. It would seem that I was not alone.Report
You sure about that? It seems like a pretty standard pipeline, they’re civilians, they do an e-Qip just like the rest of us contractors and get fingerprinted. Now, as for what happens in the approval pipeline, you might be right — oh, he’s a Congressional aide, stamp him approved. If that’s the case, we’ve got waaaay bigger problems than I understand and you do.Report
I was referring to the member, not the staff–I know for a fact that staff go thru the normal process.Report
Here’s what seems so odd about this: a clearance is revoked upon project termination and I presume on termination of officeholding. I don’t think even an ex-POTUS gets to keep a DoD clearance after his term in office. Mine are always shut down the minute I leave the project, I turn in my CAC card on the spot, just before I go out to the goodbye dinner.
You’d pointed out some dumbass ex-FBI SAC was spouting off. There must be a thousand such bozos trading on past laurels. That moron Robert Baer’s been at this for years. There’s a rule of thumb I use for detecting such bullshit artistes: the more they saw the less they say.Report
Ahh, I saw Turgid, swollen and staff all in the same post and it didn’t go where I was expecting at all. 🙁Report
Whoops, Freud got the better of me there, meant to say I saw turgid, MEMBER and staff in the same post… Ah the hell with it… I’ll never ever ever be as funny as Jaybird.Report
Welcome to the club Ward, we’ve a large bitter membership. Have a drink on me and we can sit and smolder with resentment at Jaybird and his obnoxiously easy wit.Report
Would a Jew who lived in Israel for a few years have to explicitly renounce Israeli citizenship?Report
Heh. Nobody gives an Israeli a secret clearance any more, not after Pollard and Nozette.Report
BP, I know you can’t talk about it if it’s true and all, but your inside baseball take on oh-so-many things gives me the impression that you’re ex CIA. If that’s true, then of course, you can’t say anything about it. So don’t! Just deny it. Or admit it on the pretense that no one will believe you anyway.
{{{It’ll be our little secret.}}}Report
Heh. Let’s just say I served my country, a little patriotic missionary’s son who had an aptitude for languages, an abiding hatred for Communism and an ability to Go Native in extraordinary circumstances. I worked with CIA but was not one of them. I was strictly US Army.Report
Gotcha. {{{wink}}}Report
Good post. There is a good discussion to be had on the issue of dual citizenship, and I certainly hope we have it here in the threads. But if I may just digress…
I’d just like to say that having the former presidential candidate most likely to patriotically wave the “traitor” flag over where someone else may or may not have been born seemingly having no issues with applying for dual citizenship after the primaries are over, tells you everything you ever need to know about people that run on populist platforms.Report
One of the talking points I recall about why it was OK to kidnap and torture Maher Arer was that he was suspect because he’s never renounced his Syrian citizenship. That’s completely evil BS.Report
Dual Citizen is an issue when she has access to classified intelligence.Report
Ditto Jennifer Granholm? Ahnold?Report
Yes to both, although I will allow that Canada has a unique relationship with the USA.Report
I think NRO writers are required to put in stuff like
The fact that even a patriot like Bachmann would do something like this is testament to how thoroughly the moral relativism of the post-national Left has permeated our culture.
It’s like the tech support guy who has to ask “How may I provide you excellent service today?”
I love this from his Wiki biography, though:
Mark Krikorian is an Armenian anti-immigration activist. He is the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a think-tank in Washington, D.C. that promotes stricter immigration control and enforcement.
[…]
Krikorian studied two years at Yerevan State University in then-Soviet Armenia, after which he moved to the United States
Of course, he’s also the guy who thinks it’s weenie to pronounce people’s names correctly.Report
Well, see, that gives him credibility! Just like Lou Dodd’s Mexican wife.Report
Huh. My dad’s from another country, and I’m still a dual citizen (which has had pretty much zero impact on my actual life). I had no idea it made me traitorous to this country.Report
I was born abroad on a U.S. military base. I know that I had dual citizenship until I reached the age of majority by virtue of being born in that other nation. I thought it was forfeit by now. But I’ve never actually looked it up. Maybe I’m still a dual.Report
I think mine has technically lapsed, but since making it valid again is a question of simple paperwork it’s still real in all but name.Report
Dual Canadian/American, it rocks.Report
Ryan, you need a picture for the post. The question for you is whether it will be the Newsweek cover or the eating-the-corn-dog shot. I doubt there’s going to be many of her in front of the Swiss flag.Report