On the value of higher education
Here’s James Poulos on higher education, claiming things like:
We fixate on higher education as the key to employment because no other institution but college really acculturates Americans into “legitimate” society. Those who do not attend college are second-class citizens in a cultural sense first, and in an economic one only second.
Regrettably, the personalities produced by this acculturation process are deeply dysfunctional. With stunning efficacy, college administrators have implemented their cultural visions with ubiquitous, standardized policies that dramatically shape the character of college students and graduates. Rather than being tutored in specific skills and fields, students are trained above all to publicly embrace official moral programming, regulations and ceremonies.
On the surface, it is the most sensitive, placid, managed and idealistic culture the world has ever seen. But below, students busily learn the cynical rules of the unofficial world that thrives beyond the reach of administrators’ moral police power. Pent-up longings for transgressive recreation collide with psychological “issues” and “baggage” that the dark corners of hedonism often worsen.
The contrast intensifies as students enter professional life. Inside the workplace, careers are captive to maternalistic human resources departments that subject all employees to unending sensitivity seminars, team-building retreats and performance reviews. Outside the workplace, singles and couples struggle over the spoils of mutual manipulation and forced intimacy.
Or:
It is the direct consequence of the use of higher education as our principal engine of social — not economic — equality. Nevertheless, its economic knock-on effects are profound. Millions of parents invest incredible sums of time, money and productive energy to get their children into the “right” college. Millions of students expend vast amounts of the same resources — this time, often borrowed — to get out of college with the “right” credential. And millions of corporations hire these students for little more reason than that they are applying at the “right” time.
At the wrong time, like the midst of this protracted economic crisis, the job is gone, the credential is useless, the costs are sunk — and the precarious, expensive system of rewards that compensates and justifies the rotten culture and rotten character of America’s college experience also begins to rot away.
The victims of all three types of rot are poorly suited to recover from today’s crisis. Neither life nor learning have equipped them for success as entrepreneurs. The loss of a foreordained career track strikes a devastating blow, not only against their prejudices but their very identities. In tough economic times, their appetites for pleasure and leisure tug them toward downward mobility.
Upward mobility once fueled the rise of American culture to a position of global preeminence. But the sweeping mid-century shift in America’s cultural foundations ushered in a cult of upward mobility.
And here are the credentials listed right after the article:
James Poulos is the host of The Bottom Line and Reform School on PJTV. A doctoral candidate in Government at Georgetown University, he holds degrees from Duke and USC Law. His writing has appeared in The American Conservative, The Boston Globe, Cato Unbound, The National Interest, and The Weekly Standard, among others, and is featured in the collection Proud to Be Right, edited by Jonah Goldberg. He has been an editor at Ricochet.com and a fellow of the Claremont Institute. He lives in Los Angeles. His Twitter handle is @jamespoulos.
There really are a rash of stories – a glut of stories – on the worthlessness of a college degree. I’ll give James credit that he at least comes at this with a new angle, taking on the very notion of upward mobility itself. Then again, for people who already have a great deal of upward mobility, or for whom the “mobility” is not itself necessary to achieve the “up” it’s not really surprising that the actual value of a college education might be somewhat murky.
But college, in this worldview, is not just a waste of money or responsible for this terrifying “cult of upward mobility” it’s also a bastion of cultural decay. These institutions, from Georgetown to Duke to USC Law, are dramatically shaping the “character of of college students and graduates.” And not in a good way, so the story goes.
I’ll respond in two ways.
First, the actual economic value of a college degree is simply undisputed if you look at the facts. Freddie makes some good points about this as well. So does Matt Yglesias. And if that doesn’t suffice, read David Leonhardt.
In 2010, college graduates had an unemployment rate of about 5.4%. For those with a high school diploma only it’s about 10.3%.
Maybe in some other world where there are no credentials and everyone strives on merit alone – maybe in that world higher education would take a different form, would be relegated to academics and researchers rather than business majors. I don’t know. Who cares about that world. There are all sorts of compelling-enough philosophical arguments against creating a system of credentialization. One could easily enough argue that it is the credentials alone and not the education that crowds out the non-degree holders from the market. But we are not going to rid ourselves of credentials by making college less accessible. If anything, we’d just make the problem worse.
In this world the economic value of a college degree is not in dispute, and so far as I can tell, outside of a few super-nerds like Mark Zuckerburg and Bill Gates, most entrepreneurs also have college degrees. So does just about everyone writing about the worthlessness of said degrees.
It is only in a truly sideways universe that we can blame university for a decline in entrepreneurship. And even if we can level a smart critique of many of the problems surrounding higher education, to blame the institution itself for all this social decline and economic floundering, well I just don’t live in that reality I guess. There are good arguments to be made that the traditional model of higher education needs to evolve. Then again, everything evolves.
The second, and perhaps more troubling claim, in Poulos’s piece is that college is leading to social decline, that the personalities emerging from college are stultified and uniform. That this unmanning of the American workforce leads to sensitivity seminars and cuddly bosses.
This has all my alarm bells ringing. I hear the old seductive song of nostalgia playing loud and clear. Back when college was an institution for the wealthy and elite, it was designed to build character! Now that the masses have climbed the garden walls and are threatening the ivory towers the culture is being poisoned!
And who is poisoning the culture? Why the liberal academics. They’ve snuck past the gatekeepers of the social order and along with the egalitarians are wreaking havoc on young minds, social institutions, and all the rest. Decadence and atrophy ensue.
I say poppycock. The world changes. Nostalgia is all well and good, but it can warp our reason and judgment, send us shrieking into the night at the very scent of change. Liberals and conservatives alike suffer from it, the former lamenting the decline of public education as it invariably changes with the rest of the world and the latter lamenting the very existence of public education to begin with.
I don’t buy it. The world changes and there’s not a damn thing you can do to stop it. Higher education will change in ways that many public education traditionalists will surely decry, and the “cult of upward mobility” will continue to grow as more and more people realize that anyone who talks about opportunity or economic growth or upward mobility as though it were a fixed pie are only doing it because they want to protect their status, their advantage, their wealth and success. They may be motivated by little more than nostalgia, but that’s really all it takes.
I kinda think that this is putting the cart before the horse.
A college degree is a *SIGNAL*. Even the much-derided Philosophy degree (I got mine!) is a signal.
It says: I am capable of sitting still for a few hours at a time. I am capable of writing full paragraphs. I am capable of taking direction. I am capable of being left to my own devices. I am capable of reading a book, digesting the information, and applying it.
A guy without a degree? Who knows? For a while there, in the 90’s, there was a slew of kids who did HTML and C and C++ in their free time in their basements who got big jobs with big salaries right out of high school but they are *NOWHERE* near representative… the folks who are representative are the ones who can write a sentence that looks okay even after auto-correct gets a hold of it… and college, if it does nothing else, gives people the best high school education you can buy.Report
Well yes, in many senses it really is (until we start getting into very technical fields). Which still means that it’s a valuable commodity and that rumors of its death are greatly exaggerated.
Blogging has been a better education for education’s-sake for me than college was.Report
Oy. Of course its a signal. College is also a chance for people to explore different ideas, meet many new people, be challenged in many ways, be exposed to new ideas, deeply study all sorts of concepts, skills and ideas. Come on, this is the lame way to call out signaling since there is far more to it. IT is a quite different field then, say, nursing or engineering isn’t it. Some of the non-specific skills people learn or practice in college, like studying, showing up on time, time management are pretty useful.Report
I don’t think the signalling or networking or social aspects of college are arguments *against* college at all. Quite the contrary.Report
Greg, when you read these essays talking about the value of a college education, they usually make caveats to point out that they aren’t talking about stuff like “hard sciences” or “engineering”.
They’re talking about Art History majors. English Literature majors. Philosophy.
The Humanities… you know, the courses that give you the time to meet many new people, be challenged in many ways (THE HOUR OF POWER!!!), and otherwise be exposed to new ideas.Report
see Freddie’s post below. Signaling is one of those good perceptive points people correctly raise, then overuse as if it explains everything. Its just one of many good points.
Compare and contrast signaling with the benefits of rigorous study.Report
Claims of some sort of unified system of higher education are even more ridiculous than claims that our K-12 system is unified and easily described in broad strokes. Harvard and Duke are entirely different animals than a rural community college. University of Michigan is a somewhat different experience than the small liberal arts college (1100 students) where I teach.
But his claim that
“Rather than being tutored in specific skills and fields, students are trained above all to publicly embrace official moral programming, regulations and ceremonies.”
Almost makes me stop reading. I thought we academics were supposed to be trapped in our silos, ONLY teaching our specific fields and skills, instead of teaching the true general critical thinking skills and strength of character that really matters. Which one is it? This reads as if he didn’t actually go to college, but just read a whole lot of jeremiads.
I don’t think college is perfect, and I don’t think it is the engine of upward mobility we imaging it to be (see Peter Sacks’ book “Tearing Down the Gates”). But a guy who writes:
“Inside the workplace, careers are captive to maternalistic human resources departments that subject all employees to unending sensitivity seminars, team-building retreats and performance reviews. Outside the workplace, singles and couples struggle over the spoils of mutual manipulation and forced intimacy.”
Seems more pleased with his own clever prose than actually trying to understand something.Report
Jaybird mentions signaling effects, which people endlessly take as this damning argument against the college wage premium. However, as Tyler Cowen has taken great pains to point out, the major wage premium studies find a very large and growing college wage premium after correcting for selection bias.
I can’t say it often enough: college graduates are employed at a far higher rate and earn far more than those with just high school diplomas. The media, particularly bloggers, have invented this “college isn’t worth it” narrative and flog it relentlessly, but it is simply incompatible with reality. As James Joyner put it, college graduates have an unemployment rate about half that of those with only high school diplomas and earn about half as much again as they do.
Incidentally, the much derided philosophy major in fact produces graduates who earn above the median income for college graduates. Certainly there is some selection bias there; elite universities produce more philosophy majors than less competitive ones. But the idea that philosophy majors (or English majors, humanities majors, or a whole host of other derided “impractical” majors) produce disadvantaged graduates is, again, inconsistent with reality.Report
I don’t think that the problem with signalling is the signalling, per se.
I believe it’s more of a meta-issue of the signalling no longer signalling what it used to signal when everyone realizes that a college degree (even in Philosophy) is a signal.
If you know what I mean.Report
If I recall, philosophy majors do pretty well employment-wise, at least relative to other humanities majors.Report
Hells yeah, we do.
(Though I wonder if this was true prior to the tech boom. Seriously, the tech boom was a *GODSEND*.)Report
Hmm… when did the tech boom start, officially? I graduated with a b.a. in philosophy in ’98, and the data I was thinking of was from back then. I went to grad school, though, so I avoided having to even think about getting a job.Report
I have no idea about “officially” but I’d probably say that as good a marker as any is when the first $999 computer became available. That’d be around 1997, I think.
That seems a little late to me, though…Report
Higher education teaches us how to learn. As Jaybird observes, it’s not the degree itself, it’s the fact that you have one. I’m watching as C goes back to college, mostly doing online courses at this point for a degree in Computer Science. Some students simply cannot jump through the most trivial of hoops: her team assignments feature a certain percentage of duds and lazy borstards who won’t get their work in on time.
Just how different is the workplace from college anymore? It seems a growing percentage of college students are already employed. These students have returned to pursue degrees later in life. I dropped out of college to join the military and didn’t return for eight years. By then, I was ready for the intellectual rigor of higher education. When I dropped out the first time, all I could see was a horrible vision of myself as a recapitulation of my father.
The UK has the notion of taking a year off after sixth form. This might be a good idea for here in the USA. Freshman year of college can be a trial, terrible stressful, if my own experience and that of my children was any guide to the matter.Report
Two of my friend has similar experiences. When they first went to college they , while both smart and curious, were immature and bombed out. A few years later they went back, completed and moved on. One is getting his PhD i think.Report
On top of the UK having students take a year off, I know Israel has a policy that asks young men and women to give a year of service, be that military or whatnot, before university. I’ve heard that students tend to come to school much more mature and appreciative of the opportunity. But, then again, that is purely anecdotal and I have no hard evidence that the year of service yields better outcomes. Not to mention that Israel is naturally a more militaristic society, and Americans would scream bloody murder if they were asked to sacrifice a year for public service…Alas, though definitely an interesting idea.Report
Obviously this debate is linked to the economy and people wishing they didn’t need a degree to gain an edge over other job applicants. It’s a worthy conversation but I believe it will disappear if the jobless rate gets back into single digits and stays there for a while.
What I would find to be a much more interesting conversation would be the value of a Master’s Degree verses a Bachelor’s Degree. Liberal arts academics have consistently raised the bar every few decades as a way of creating more barriers to the top of their field. There’s a finite amount of jobs up there and it’s easier to tell a graduate that the reason he can’t have one of them s because he is under-educated or under-published rather than simply tell him he was sold a bill of goods but college admissions officers.Report
In this world the economic value of a college degree is not in dispute
The private economic value is not in dispute. The anti-college argument (the good version, anyway) is that there’s an element of rent-seeking in earning a degree. The degree gives you an advantage over people who don’t have it, so it’s something that people are rationally willing to expend considerable resources to get. But if it doesn’t actually make you more productive, the social economic value is negative. You’re just transferring money from other people to you, and expending resources in order to do so.
This is pretty clearly not the full story with most STEM programs, which do teach skills needed to perform certain jobs. But many other programs don’t teach skills which are obviously applicable to the sorts of jobs typically held by the people who earn those degrees. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t improve productivity, but it’s certainly a question worth asking.
The earnings chart strikes me as being potentially rather damning. A low-skill job is pretty much by definition a job for which there is no clear reason to expect education to enhance productivity. And yet the college premium for low-skill jobs is not much less than the college premium for medium-skill, managerial, or professional jobs. Someone arguing that the college wage premium is mostly skill-based has a lot of explaining to do.
The answer to the question, “Should I get a bachelor’s degree?” is “Yes, if you can.” The answer to the question, “Are we subsidizing college too much, or not enough?” is not so clear.Report
Right – I get this. I don’t think the article in question did a very good job at presenting this stuff, but I do mention in my response that I understand (and I actually even agree) with the problems created by barriers to entry, rent-seeking, etc. in higher education. I just don’t think the answer to those problems is less higher ed, but rather more access to more kinds of education – more vocational education, more community college, etc.Report
I’d say to take a look at the graph again. The gains are less for lower skilled jobs. However, I’d argue that a good education should produce gains even in some lower skilled jobs or at least allow one to advance faster and thus increase one’s compensation more quickly that someone without the same level of education.
I would also posit that productivity is not the only metric to be concerned about. Creativity and idea incubation are two examples of things that are hard to measure but it is clear that universities and colleges play a major role in these things and people who have attended an institution of higher learning reap many of these benefits without having finishing their degrees (see the tech boom). Given this there must be some value in attending university which is what I hope and what I’ve seen in my personal and professional life.
Personally I think that creating more educational opportunities (e.g. more robust technical schooling, strong community college systems linked into public flagship research universities, and more access to liberal arts colleges) is the way to go. The world is becoming more complex, as are the jobs, as a result the question shouldn’t be “should I get a degree” but “what degree should I get to meet my goals.”
One last thing: We (all american states) have been consistently de investing in higher education. Is this the correct course? I won’t say but that is what we’re facing and frankly I think that is the more important question communally.Report
Insofar as “de investing” means steadily increasing real per-capita expenditures.Report
This is a bit misleading, especially living in WA state myself. Using per-capita metrics for higher education spending one would have to assume that the structure and composition of higher ed in the state remained unchanged from 1980 to 2008. This is not the case. For example, many of the community and technical colleges in WA state were not even part of higher education spending until 1991 (See the WA State Community and Technical College Act of 1991).
Further, colleges and universities educate more students today then in 1980. Using the University of California system as an example one can see that in 1993 there were around 93 thousand FTE (Full-Time Equivalents) and in 2011 there are 137 thousand. This makes state spending per FTE the best metric for tracking state support to educating students. For example in 1990 the University of Washington provided around $14,000 per FTE (Full time student) while in 2008 this was under $12,000 and today it is near $6000 (UW 2011 budget letter; see page 3).Report
I linked to that chart more for the national average than for the Washington State numbers. That said, there was no major discontinuity in the Washington line at 1991, so it seems unlikely that that was a major factor.
“Further, colleges and universities educate more students today then in 1980.”
And the population is greater, so the per-capita numbers translate to correspondingly greater totals. But let’s suppose that the percentage of the population currently enrolled in college has increased. This may or may not be the case; the percentage of the population aged 16-24 has fallen from 17% to a bit under 13%, but enrollment rates are up.
How can this be considered disinvesting in higher education? “Yeah, but we’re sending more students to college!” is not a particularly powerful rebuttal to the thesis that we are not in fact disinvesting in higher education.Report
More to the point, what evidence is your belief that we are in fact disinvesting in education based on?Report
Sorry; missed the UW link. First, this appears to be the *proposed* budget. Cuts are proposed, often as political theater, much more frequently than they are actually made.
In fact, here’s the current version of the governor’s proposed budget (table 3). I’m not seeing any major cuts to the UW line item or to higher education generally.
Also, I vaguely remember hearing something a while back about the state government considering taking funding away from UW to give to other schools, so keep in mind that funding cuts to one particular institution, even if they were real, would not necessarily be indicative of even a statewide trend, much less a national one.Report
The information I was referring to has nothing to do with the purposed budget for this year. I was merely linking to the information on pervious years. Also, higher education spending was cut in the budgets your were referring to (table 4 of your link). Also, UW budgets have been cut again this year and you can search any seattle paper to find that information.
Further, I get my impressions from the numerous white papers I’ve read on the subject. As a noted above there is an easy way to see how government’s are spending money on educating college students (spending per FTE). You can see this white paper (SHEEO report on higher ed) that show on average spending per FTE has decreased around 7 % this decade (Fig. 6 pg 26).
However, upon looking at more sources I will concede that the case for a trend since the 80’s is less robust and varies too much state to state.Report
Huh. The governor’s budget claims $6 billion biennial funding for UW, but UW claims funding on the order of $320 million per year. I’m not sure why the discrepancy.
That said, if UW’s numbers (which sound more plausible) are correct, there was about a 20% cut in total funding in 2009, from $400M to $320M. I’ll give you that, but obviously you can’t infer a long-term, nationwide trend from cuts in funding to a single university during the worst recession in 80 years. States can’t run huge deficits the way the federal government can, so there have to be cutbacks when the economy slows down. Historically, this has been more than made up for when the economy picks up again.
Also, per-FTE funding is misleading because the denominator includes both in-state (subsidized) and out-of-state (unsubsidized) students. Since the trend at UW at least has been towards a higher percentage of nonresident students, changes in the FTE do not necessarily reflect changes in the subsidy each in-state student receives.
The SHEEHO report shows no discernible long-term trend in inflation-adjusted per-FTE funding, despite a 50% incresae in enrollment.
Again, the fact that schools have chosen to use their increased funding to offer enrollment to more students, rather than to offer greater subsidies to fewer students, is not evidence of disinvestment.
Colleges are getting more money and using it to educate more students. How is this disinvestment?Report
The 6 billion includes research funds and running the UW medical system. These things include funds that can be used for nothing else. The State supports the teaching mission of the university and that money is separate. Politicians use the 6 billion dollar figure so people don’t really know how much the teaching budget has been slashed. As money cannot be transferred from the medical system and research grants the state is misleading you not the university.
The trends prior to 2008 are still clear in the UW letter . For example from 1990 to 2002 the funding per FTE dropped $2,000. This had nothing to do with the economy as we have come to see in post 2007/8 budgets. Regardless the UW was merely an example.
The SHEEHO report does show that from 1980 to 2008 state support on average has oscillated but remained flat ($6739 in 1980 and $6520 in 2007) while enrollments have increased. Enrollments at public universities are not merely a function of finances. The state has an interest in schools continuing to increase enrollments with increases in population at least. As you pointed out earlier populations have increased and I don’t think Universities are getting the go ahead to keep class sizes flat given the political realities of state funded education.
However, you raise a valid point that if states won’t pay for class size increases then maybe we shouldn’t educate more students. Yet, having seen some of what goes on in state appropriation battles I think it is overly simplistic to say that schools are getting more money to educate more students. It seems as if they are educating more students with not quite enough new money.Report
Poulos’s second point is warmed over “The Organization Man”, the main difference being that Willam H. Whyte wasn’t a hack.Report
No question a bachelor’s degree has a great deal of utility for those who get them — though how much is correlation, how much is causation is debatable (i.e., does a bachelor’s make someone more economically productive or is it a proxy for a higher IQ and ability to dot i’s and cross t’s — that is follow through on professional goals, understanding some really smart folks don’t do this well; and smart flaky folks might not make for good workers). I’m really not sure on the correlation-causation issue.
I’m more concerned with young folks getting student loans. You really have to ask how much a particular degree worth. If you get accepted to Harvard, or any Ivy League, it might be worth a 6-figure student loan. But many private schools that are NOT Harvard charge something comparable for degrees and majors that won’t pay off.
For those who don’t get accepted to an IVY or get someone else to foot the bill, a safer route is two years at a community college and two years at a state school. Pay as little as you can for the best bachelor’s degree. Someone should make a blue book value matrix on the cost of a degree that factors in its prestige, as well as a major. A hard science degree from the same school is more valuable than a political science degree. American University and Georgetown are comparable in costs (??); but a degree from Georgetown is (probably) far more valuable.Report
Jon,
Good points. the sad/tragic thing is that student loans have become a very acceptable part of getting a degree. When I was in school they seemed to be more like a last resort than a given. Now, with a daughter about to start college, everything we read implies that loans are almost considered the norm. We’re determined to not let that happen.Report
I’m not sure I understand either of your points about student loans, Mike & Jon. Why are loans themselves an issue? Are you arguing that if you have $100,000 on burning a hole in your pocket when you’re 18 it’s well worth it, but if you don’t you shouldn’t bother? Why is college any different than a car or a house, or anything else you might not be able to afford up front? (My friends that do investing for a living are always telling me that when you compare what the average retirement portfolio returns vs. interest rates on most student loans, they don’t know why you wouldn’t take the loan even if you had the cash.)
Additionally, you might argue that education itself is over-priced, but statistically speaking the answer to the question “do you get anything worth for what you pay for” seems self evident:
http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm
The difference in average pay between high school only and bachelor’s degree is over $20,000 a year – for a master’s it’s well over $30,000 a year. (And those don’t even take into consideration that you might get a professional degree and make even more on average.) If you assume you work for only 30 years and retire at a comparatively young 55, that’s a whole lot of return on your investment. Added to this is the odds of you being unemployed right now as a college graduate is twice what it would be if you hadn’t gone.Report
RTod,
I think the answer is to work your way through collge and pay as you go. The reason people take out loans is because they think college has to be finished in four years. If you stretch it out to 6 or 7 years for a BA and lower your sights on a state school it’s completely do-able.Report
To do this, you have to be able to find a job (that doesn’t require a degree) where you can make the kind of extra money to plop four to five digits in annual tuition. That’s easier said than done, these days.Report
I bagged groceries at the local supermarket and pulled it off. It’s really just about patience.Report
But I still don’t see the logic. If, statistically speaking borrowing $100k at low interest yields, statistically speaking, over $20,000 a year in income why is it a bad idea to do so, other than personal preference? And then why is paying for a house with a home loan instead of saving for a house ok?
I paid my way through for a variety of personal reasons, but I can’t see that me having gotten a loan and taken less time to get it done would have been a “society-is-wrong” bad thing.Report
I would also add that while some can handle it, I’ve seen college careers ruined by people trying to do both at once. When you do that, you serve two masters. And while college is important, work is always more urgent.Report
The problem is that when you borrow for a home the bank knows you can pay the loan with your current job. With a school loan there is no guarantee you will have a job waiting for you that enables you to pay it back.
Also, paying back a school loan after college means you have to immediately worry about income. No low-paying internships to get your foot in the door somewhere. It changes your priorities.Report
The fact that they aren’t dischargeable in bankruptcy is part of the concern I have. With other areas of life, people get loans they should not, all the time. For those in over their heads they can discharge them in bankruptcy; but I understand the interest rates on dischargeable debt isn’t nearly as good.Report