Pop It Like It’s Hot!
Hello, my name is Chris, and I like pop. No, not Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus, both of whom I would consider teen pop, but pop more broadly. In fact, let’s get something out of the way: you like pop too. Or if you don’t, man, you’re missing out. There is a lot of great pop, if we define pop by features rather than record sales. Pop is relatively simple in its structure, clean and clear, usually with catchy hooks, and more often than not, fun. For the most part, pop is not music you need to listen to deeply, though some pop rewards careful and repeated listenings. Some pop is just fun, and that’s OK, because sometimes fun is all we want, right?
Within pop, there is a continuum of accessibility. At one end you have music that, while it has the features described above, may only appeal to small subsets of listeners. The song above, for example, might not appeal to people who don’t like electronic music, or who find the sorts of vocal manipulations it employs annoying. On the other end, there is the music that sells a bazillion albums because it’s perfectly innocuous and is designed to promote a person rather than the music itself. In between these two is a bunch of wonderful music, a bunch of God-awful music, and a bunch of stuff in between the two.
For those of us who like more “serious” music and pop at the same time, the last decade has been pretty damn good. More and more the lines between the two are blurred, or at the very least, more and more pop artists are operating at the fringes of pop where it borders on “serious.” My own theory about why this is is pretty simple. In hip hop, traffic between the underground and the mainstream is constantly flowing, such that, while hip hop fans can tell the difference, space between the two is minimal, and the stigma of “making it,” issues with “selling out” aside, is seriously diminished. As a result, there are some really, really good artists who are smack dab in the middle of the hip hop mainstream: old school folks like Dre and Snoop (OK, there’s a little bit of Snoop in this post), newer artists like Kanye and Kendrick Lamar, an moguls like Jay-Z, who as an incredibly influential rapper, considered one of the best of all time by many, has a net worth is somewhere in the neighborhood of half-a-bil.
Warning, there be bad words herein.
As pop music has become more and more influenced by hip hop, some of the ethos of being good enough for the underground but appealing enough for the mainstream has carried over, and really talented artists who, in the 90s, might have wanted Mudhoney levels of anti-success, now let Old Navy or Apple use their songs.
So for the rest of the post, I’m going to present you with some artists whom I think most people would consider pop, and whose music I generally enjoy (some of whom have Apple commercials).
You probably know Feist from this song (Apple commercial!), which even made Sesame Street, and I can’t lie, I like that song (though I have heard it so much that I don’t ever need to hear it again). But she’s a lot more than that song.
Feist ort of a more whimsical, accessible Cat Power (who is also pop, but with an edge that makes her OK for “serious” folk to be caught listening to). She makes catchy, danceable tunes, stuff you’re probably not going to be listening to 20 years from now (except when it comes on the retro station, and you experience a moment of nostalgia), but that you can listen to a lot now without it getting old (unless you hear it every 5 minute, like “1234”).
Jessie Ware is even more straight up pop: serious love songs that get stuck in your head instantly, by an artist who doesn’t take herself at all seriously (watch her roll her eyes at herself). Oh, and damn can she sing. I actually discovered Ware listening to non-pop, or at least fringe pop:
Because, again, this is the age of fluid boundaries. Ware can make “Wildest Moments” one day, and “Nervous” the next:
And SBTRKT, who is considered an up-and-comer in the electronic scene, can work with pop artists like Ware and Drake without thinking twice. Or with Little Dragon:
Who, on their own, make something called “dream pop”:
Airy and fun, but with texture. It’s like M83 without the Depeche Mode nostalgia. And speaking of M83, if this had been recorded in 1985, as it was clearly meant to be, it would have been pop:
I can’t lie: I love that song. It’s the sort of tune that tempts to get up and dance like a fool in the privacy of my own home every time I hear it. It’s what pop is supposed to be: fun.
And speaking of fun, I’m particularly fond of Santigold, whom I’ve talked up here before, and who makes irresistible gems like this:
Alongside playful silliness like this:
Oh, and I have whole Regina Spektor days:
If this isn’t pop, nothing is, but listen to it again:
So we made the hard decision
And we each made an incision
Past our muscles and our bones
Saw our hearts were little stonesPulled ’em out, they weren’t beating
And we weren’t even bleeding
As we lay them on our granite counter topWe beat ’em up against each other
We beat ’em up against each other
We struck ’em hard against each other
We struck ’em so hard, so hard ’til they sparked.
A relationship has clearly grown stale and cold amid the monotony of everyday life, resulting in mutual resentment, plays out in a kitchen conversation. It’s not Shakespeare, but if you’ve ever been in such a relationship — I know I have — the song likely rings true. It has an emotional depth that you’re not supposed to find in pop. Oh, and it’s catchy as hell.
Spektor is a prolific songwriter, hit or miss like most pop artists, but with a pretty wide range: love, God, sex, youth, made-up words:
Difficult vocal tricks:
And Guns ‘n’ Roses references:
All in the form of catchy, seriously un-serious tunes. She is the anti-Decemberists. Classically trained, a skilled musician with a little bit of a Bohemian flair, neatly packaged in a way that works great on Saturday Night Live, pop radio, adult contemporary radio, a commercial, at an emotional moment in a movie or TV show, or in your headphones when you want to hear something light but worthy of actually paying attention to.
I can get something similar with Yael Naem:
Jem:
Temper Trap:
Passion Pit:
Mike Snow:
Or Sara Bareilles:
And that last one reminds me of something else that’s great about pop. Most of what I’ve played so far is pop you’d probably listen to by yourself, maybe in the car, maybe in your headphones as you eat breakfast, or as you’re walking through the grocery store, that sort of thing. But there is another context for which pop music is perfect. I’m thinking of the time when you’re falling for someone, or falling for them again, and you’re just sitting their looking into each others eyes, soaking each other in. You don’t want music that’s going to distract you from that, but you want music that might heighten it without having to listen closely. Enter pop!
In such a context, when Michaelson says “I love the way you call me baby,” if you don’t melt into each others arms, you’re doing it wrong. (If you’re from my generation and you don’t have a crush on Michaelson yet, how ’bout now?) And for Michaelson’s sake, I’ll point out that she does have other songs:
This song works well in the same context:
Or maybe some Rilo Kiley:
You just need something sweet (even a little sad, because there’s nothing like a sad love song to remind one of the urgency of the moment), something to provide form to the charged emotional temporal space of burgeoning love and growing passion that, left alone, might become amorphous, confusing, or overeager and rushed; something that releases the right chemicals at the right time, without having to think about anything but the eyes and lips in front of you. Pop is perfect!
I could go on and on and on (and on, and on… ), but I’ll stop here. Look, I can give you art music, I can give you serious electronic music or rock. We can do jazz, or roots blues, talented singer songwriters, political folk, or whatever you like. When it comes to music, I’m pretty much infinitely flexible, and that’s not by accident. Music, and art in general, it seems to me, are about context, and music in particular should be listened to at the right moment — a moment defined by place, people, and emotional states. Sometimes the moment calls for catchy, simple tunes that aren’t meant to uplift the spirit so much as keep you right there. And there ain’t nothin’ wrong with that.
So I hope you find something in here that you like. If not, I can always try again. Or maybe someone will have something in comments that’s even better. And maybe someday you’ll decide pop ain’t so bad.
Interestingly I don’t consider most of the music you posted to be “pop” music.
I suppose we can give “pop” music a very broad definition because it is merely short for popular music and much music that is listened to in the 21st century is someone descended from the Rock and R & B of the 1950s. Neither The Arcade Fire or The Magnetic Fields or Kayne would exist without Elvis and Chuck Berry and Little Richard and Jackie Wilson existing.
By this metric, almost anything can count as pop music.
I consider Feist and many of the other artists you posted to be more in the Indie and Singer-Songwriter genres. There are indie bands that are more pop than rock but the indie is still dominant.
To me pop music is stuff like Mariah Carey or stuff that you would hear an a LITE-FM station or Z100*. It is mainly about being ultra popular, bland, safe, and usually not doing anything that would be too shocking or controversial. Madonna is the rare pop star that was once transgressive. Maybe really early Elton Jon was also transgressive.
*NYC’s Top 40 station. I rebelled against it and listened to the sadly defunct WLIR/WDRE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLIRReport
including pop opera?
(even if it is based on something from the Vatican’s vaults)Report
I feel like you are defining pop so broadly in this piece that it loses any definition and therefore everyone loves pop by default.
This broadness makes the definition of pop fail under a void for vagueness standard.Report
“Void for vagueness.” Ye cats, everyone’s a freaking lawyer.
…Oh, wait. @newdealer is a lawyer.Report
I have defined it pretty broadly, but only to suggest that “pop” is a continuum rather than a specific thing.
And “1234” is pure pop. As is Ware’s solo stuff. And Spektor could be called a singer-songwriter, but it’s also pretty clearly pop. Little Dragon, Mike Snow, and When Saints Go Machine are unabashedly electro-pop. Ingrid Michaelson is in an Old Navy commercial, which I think would be a pretty good candidate for a sufficient condition for popitude. I think that Yael Naem song might be in every TV show made in the 3 years following its release. Kanye wants to be Michael Jackson, the King of Pop.
This is all stuff that’s firmly within pop culture, it can play on pop radio, or adult contemporary, which is basically the pop station for people who can’t handle the Michael Garrix of whatever year we happen to be in.
None of this is Beyonce, of course, but not all pop is Beyonce.Report
Also, you made me do this. Made me. Now I will hear this in my sleep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCYcHz2k5x0Report
@chris
What makes something not-pop? I concede that there is music that I listen to and love which probably can be considered indie-pop. I also concede that there is going to be a deal of subjectivity in whether a particular musician falls into a particular genre or not but there have to be objective parameters to a certain extent otherwise any argument can be won by staying within preferred subjective parameters.
So I say I don’t listen to pop music and then us using different definitions proves for what is and is not pop music proves nothing.
Stars is probably closer to pop than rock but they are still indie and a lot of people say their indieness is the key selling point against bland Top 40 muisc which they consider to be pop. Same with Miike Snow or Feist.
Are the Arcade Fire pop? The Decemberists? Holy Ghost? The Magnetic Fields? Thee Oh Sees? What makes someone more indie-rock than indie-pop?Report
New, what do you mean by indie? I get the sense that “indie” doesn’t mean much other than “kinda Portland-y” anymore, and I think it’s pretty easy to be all Porlandy-y and all Poppy at the same time. Hell, there are some really mainstream, top 40 radio artists that basically copy the Portland-y indie formula.
You mentioned The Decemberists the other day. I think they’re mostly non-pop, though they have some seriously poppish songs, like “Los Angeles, I’m Yours.” But I wouldn’t have included that in this post, because it’s pop done by a non-pop band, and its appeal is probably limited (also, dhex might have shot me). Everything I included in this post, then, is by artists whom I consider to be pop artists first, even if they have an indie feel, or a signer-songwriter feel, or whatever. They’re making pop songs, songs that are radio friendly, TV friendly, commercial friendly, singing loudly and earnestly with a bunch of friends in the car friendly, and so on. They’re not Beyonce, but not all pop has to be multi-platinum R&B/dance/hip hop style stuff, any more than all R&B/dance/hip hop style stuff has to be pop.Report
Making things even more complicated there is also difference between traditional pop like Frank Sinatra and the pop that emerged after rock music. I think that pop now means any sort of music with a mass audience that doesn’t fall strictly into any musical genre. Whether its Madonna, Mariah Carey, or Katey Perry; what there doing isn’t quite rock or hip-hop or even R&B. Therefore, its pop.Report
While out and about today, I saw a guy wearing a shirt that said “RAP – LYING = HIP HOP”. I have no idea how accurate that is.
The M83 song is one of my favorites from the past few years (heck, the video itself!) and I recently found out that it has not one but two sequels!!!
http://youtu.be/DJQQrjVmQG0 is reunion (which got a small amount of airplay) and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAwYodrBr2Q concludes the trilogy (and the time I heard it to conclude the music video trilogy was the first time I heard it).Report
The song is undeniably awesome (as are the ones you linked), but this is my favorite M83 song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Pg-2LP76gReport
Or live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPMzqJwjZrEReport
Well, given my obvious enthusiasm for Bastille, I’m sure it comes as no surprise that I listen to a LOT of pop.
Here’s a particularly well-loved example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMQanuaDgo8Report
And one more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfDg7Vz8Ow4Report
Also, when I really want all pop all the time, I go to C89.5 Seattle and stream. It’s a high-school run radio station.
http://www.c895.org/
Probably the most relentlessly cheerful radio station in the world.Report
OK, that Dan Black song is yet another invitation to get up and dance like a fool in the privacy of your own home.Report
It has been known to get me up and dancing like a fool in my own (glass-windowed) office :D.Report
I loves me that Jem. She deserves a bit more love here:
Down to Earth
Come on Closer
Falling For You
24
Crazy
I enjoy Feist and Yael very much too. But Jem is Wales’ best showbiz export since Anthony Hopkins.Report
Anthony Hopkins is Welsh?!Report
Well, crap. There goes next week’s Monday Trivia.Report
@tod-kelly – Anthony Hopkins is Welsh?!
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
[That’s “yes”, in Welsh. It can take several days just to order lunch there.]Report
Ah, Jem is pretty awesome. She’s got a trip hop feel, but is more accessible than most trip hop.
And she’s on the Gossip Girl soundtrack, yet another sufficient condition for pop.Report
Just so’s ya know, Burt, I’ve been listening to these all day now.Report
My favorite of these is “Falling For You.” Many love songs explore the delights of falling for someone, but very few confront the fear one must confront in becoming so vulnerable to another person. The minor notes in the instrumentation underline this tension very well.
Incidentally, I heard that Jem recorded and mixed her entire first album almost entirely by herself, in the bedroom of a London flat, laying down one instrument or vocal track at a time. I don’t know if that’s true, but if it isn’t, it ought to be.Report
@burt-likko few confront the fear one must confront in becoming so vulnerable to another person
Ever hear this one?:
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I argued this with a friend once…..
Madona and Mihael Jackson: Definitely pop.
Billy Joel and Elton John: Almost certainly pop.
The Beatles: Probably pop.
I see “pop” as music being made for the masses, music which does not require an intimate understanding of music to enjoy and appreciate, music which crosses or ignores genres.
By this definition, yes, nearly everyone likes pop.Report
@kazzy The Beatles: Probably pop.
I definitely think of the Beatles as “pop”, and the Stones as “rock”, even though both were and are extremely popular bands and crisscrossed freely between simple, catchy rock and more complex styles.
But I think if the Beatles came out today (assuming the same basic songs and performing style), regardless of the level of popularity they achieved, they’d be considered “rock” and not “pop”; simply because they use guitars and live drums, which seemingly much “pop” today doesn’t.
I’m not making a comparison musically; but they’d be considered more like The Strokes or something.Report
I agree that they’d probably get lumped into alt or indie rock were they to arrive on the scene today.
I think the idea that pop music has to be teeny bopper and full of synthesizers is off-base and what I understand Chris to be pushing back against. That seems to be a relatively recent trend. Pop music probably carries with it a certain appeal to younger audiences for a variety of reasons (generally less sophisticated taste; less exposure to music; a tendency towards group think) but the idea that it was the exclusive domain of young artists seems wrong. Yes, Jackson got started young as did the Beatles. Madonna didn’t debut until she was 24.Report
“Oh, and I have whole Regina Spektor days”
Sounds like a good plan. Challenge accepted!Report
Still working my way through these, but a few things occur to me:
1.) I had my own difficulties defining “pop” – and even in that post, the type of pop under discussion was/is itself sort of a niche concern (though periodically examples do break through to much wider exposure – say, something like Weezer).
2.) Related to #1, I note that based on this post and my own anecdotal sense, there is seemingly a preponderance of female singers and a dearth of guitars (or live drums) in what we typically think of as “pop” nowadays; my feeling is that having guys and drums & guitars in the band will these days more likely default-slot that artist out of “pop” and into “rock” (though not always – also, I have a gripe that what is called “indie rock” [and even post-rock] nowadays is often severely lacking in the “rock” department – the term used to encompass many unruly, loud, or abrasive sounds, which is to be expected from something that basically may be thought of as varieties of “post-post-punk”. Today “indie rock” often tends to refer to music that is far more genteel and tame. But that’s a different rant.)
3.) I forgot what I was going to say here, I got so worked up about today’s so-called indie rock. To be continued.
4.) But I do like the songs I’ve listened to so far.Report
I forget what eight was for.Report
KROQ’s house band!Report
More seriously (now that I’m on a computer instead of a phone), pop is incredibly difficult to define. My suspicion — and I could be wrong, because I don’t know NewDealer’s friends — is that when hipster types treat listening to pop as a moral imperative, they don’t really mean Miley Cyrus, they mean something closer to what I’ve presented here.
That said, I think listening to pop is something close to a moral imperative, in that pop more than any other music reflects the times, and understanding the times you live in is important, morally. I’d have to flesh that out more in my head to defend it, though.
And I think you’re right, guitars are generally seen as anti-pop. However, there’s a breed of “hard rock,” one might even say what hard rock in general has become, that I think is pretty widely considered pop. For example (note, I despise this whole genre in its current incarnation, and this song is no exception, but it’s one I know of):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVZe5K3PZigReport
@chris
while i’m down with pointing out that “indie” is about as meaningless as “alternative” used to be…
this is insane:
“That said, I think listening to pop is something close to a moral imperative, in that pop more than any other music reflects the times, and understanding the times you live in is important, morally.”
it might be helpful in understanding the mental landscape of the person you’re talking to, but taking it as a reflection of zeitgeist is just plain jane insane in the membrane like saddam hussein on cocaine in tulane.
my version of the 90s would reflect the times i was living in; i’m not sure it would help you understand much more beyond that.Report
@dhex – saw this on DM and thought you might enjoy:
http://metalalbumswithgooglyeyes.tumblr.com/Report
i do indeed enjoy googly eyes.Report
@DHEx, like I said, I would definitely have to flesh it out more in my head in order to be able to defend it, but I do think understanding the times we’re living in is important, and I do think art, particularly popular art (and here I may need to consider “popular” more broadly, more as a means of distinguishing it from “high” art than of distinguishing it from niche art or art enjoyed by particular subcultures), is a vital window into the times.Report
@chris – sorry to interrupt, but I think that might have been more defensible when there was more of a monoculture (though in truth, there never was just one) but the more splintered/multi-channelled culture/art becomes, it probably becomes more and more as @dhex posits.Report
Or to put it another way, this is the first time I ever heard Lily Allen AFAIK. I think I didn’t hear “Call Me Maybe” until a year or more after it was a big hit, and then only b/c Johanna linked a mashup of it. I just don’t get exposed to it, b/c I am usually submersed in alternate channels (some of them somewhat “popular” in their own right).
Maybe I could make an argument that in retrospect, the aggregate creme de la creme may show us some general contours; that we can sometimes know with some certainty what *happened*, after the fact, but while it’s *happening*, nobody knows WTF is going on.Report
True, though here’s where pop music, in the narrow sense, is a great place to look, because it’s often the result of filtering multiple channels.
So Beyonce has this giant new album out, and if you listen to it, what you will hear sounds like it’s a watered down version of what’s going on in R&B and southern (particularly New Orleans) hip hop, with a some other stuff thrown in. If you listen to that Michael Garrix song I posted in comments somewhere (don’t listen to it), you’ll hear a lot of little things from dubstep and post-dubstep.
I remember being amazed, once upon a time, when pop artists (including “rock” bands) described who their influences were, because they were often, if not obscure artists, then at least non-pop artists. In a sense, pop music, and pop art more generally, is sort of like an aquifer, and the rest of culture is the rock and dirt through which trends get filtered before finally dripping into the vast underground lake. But if you want to find out what sorts of elements you’d find in the rocks and dirt, you can get an idea by taking samples from the lake itself.
I’m going to have to think about this a bit more to flesh it out though. Feel free to push back, but I warn you in advance that my defenses will all look this feeble until I figure out what I actually think.Report
@chris
i getcha on the thoughtwork in progress angle.
i think about this a lot, both as job and hobby.
and i think at this point, however, we are all islands – if it weren’t for spotify commercials and a bit of my job overlap (more than i’d like) i wouldn’t have the first clue as to what the actual pop landscape is like. which is, frankly, the way i like it.
i view the arts as a lens that some folk mistake for a cloak, and in my yute i was very guilty of this myself. you are not your likes and dislikes, and especially with music as a emotional resonator, i am wary of reading too much into what even local scenes mean/”mean”.
though i’d take them to be more indicative of certain local conditions in communities than, say, beyonce – even now, despite the internet and social fracturing.Report
@dhex – totally OT, but…Slowdive reunion!
I’m not saying they re-formed in response to my shoegaze posts, but I’m not NOT saying that either.
No idea what kind of live rep they had back in the day, so I will wait for some early reports to decide whether I need to schedule a trip (‘cos god knows they won’t come to my town).
Unrelated – if you’ve never listened to Bardo Pond’s Amanita, you should.Report
yeah i saw that about the reunion. interesting. dunno if they’ll come within 2 hours of where i live now #realamericaisterrible
i prefer dilate to anything that came after but most of their stuff before 2001 is really solid. they start getting steadily crappier after that for some reason.Report
Bubble bubble toil and trouble.
Why are we cheering housing bubbles now????
Seriously, did I miss a memo?
What next, are we going to say that London is Great
because its housing prices go up with its status
as a reserve currency???Report
Kim, if this comment was from anyone else, I would think they accidentally put it in the wrong thread. However, with you I’m not sure. Is this meant for another post?Report