Conservative Thinkers So Heavenly Minded They’re No Earthly Good
The somewhat hard to define realm of higher conservative thought has spent the last week engaged in a battle between Sohrab Ahmari who attacked the previously never-heard-of “David French-ism” and the response “Against David French-ism “ as written by the actual David French. Now aside from driving traffic to First Things and NRO, the row also spawned dozens of other articles for, against, supporting, and opining on the various matters related to the discussion. In case you missed it, or didn’t particularly care, last week’s version of intra-conservative warfare is readily available via interwebs search if you feel compelled to delve into the particulars. I will not do so here because it mostly boils down to a recurrence of a very old debate: (Fill in the blank X) is an existential crisis du jour threatening to wipe out (fill in the blank Y) and if you do not have the same amount of exothermic chemical combustion process of your protein filament that grows from the follicles on your head, well then, you are an even bigger existential threat than the first existential threat.
Yes, that is over simplification, but simplification is what is needed, not more hair-on-fire same-team rhetorical flagellation.
I love reading, pondering, debating, and kicking around such things on both on a thinking level and a practical level. Thinking about it is good intellectual exercise, and keeping a curious mind busy and fed with such problems to hash out is healthy. Interacting with folks on such things is likewise good and healthy, both personally and for the great good of the country since we should always be questioning, testing, and challenging. I even have the privilege and platform of writing about it and sending it out to the wider world online for folks to react too.
But that is also why I temper myself; writing online, commentating, opining, all of that is well and good but it is still just words sent out into the ether. Meanwhile, there is real world stuff going on that is beyond the power of mere words to control.
Inevitably, the true motives behind such a debate start to come out, since commentators feel compelled to not only tell you what they are thinking, but must continually explain why in ever-widening detail. Thus we come to this nugget of wordsmithing:
This is correct. The fact that some liberals instantly cry “Catholic ayatollah!” upon hearing bog-standard Aristotelian language just goes to show how narrow their intellectual range of reference is, how dogmatic their commitment to their own Highest Good. https://t.co/N7PVZlOcTP
— Sohrab Ahmari (@SohrabAhmari) June 6, 2019
This is amazing. Something that started with ranting over drag queen story hour at local libraries has now become a defense of Aristotelian tradition. I had never honestly heard the term “bog-standard” before. I know what a bog is, Cranberry Glades being one of the real wonders of the natural world, a rare east coast highland bog, and close to where I grew up. I had the benefits of a classical education and a father who was pretty adamant about his Greek studies so I picked up on the Aristotelian part, but the rest is a mess of really important sounding words whose meanings escaped me. And probably most other folks. There have been men dressing as women for as long as we have recorded human history, so I’m skeptical this will change anytime soon on a mass cultural level. Nor do I think a drag queen reading stories to children in a public library — a voluntary participation thing as far as I can tell — is the meteor that will destroy the republic and leave a gaping crater where democratic life once flourished.
But that’s just my narrow intellectual range to not understand the awesomeness of the cause, I suppose. Luckily I do have the capacity to Google “bog-standard” so that I can learn it is a Britishism of some debatable origin. So thank you, Sohrab Ahmari and Matthew Schmitz, for that “today I learned.”
Since the vein of religious scruples is running all throughout this debate, it brought to mind something from my own church upbringing that I wish the bringers of conservative light would keep in mind. Theology can be an overwhelmingly daunting topic, and there are folks who spend a lifetime on the concepts. Seminaries brim with such high debate and vigorous dialogue. But take a seminarian and place them in a small church and those same debates and terms will gloss over the eyes of the people who come to worship for fellowship, healing, haven, pot luck, and encouragement. The concept from scripture, and experience, and an excellent Johnny Cash song, is codified in the saying “so heavenly minded they’re no earthly good.” Variations include the uber-pious who cannot understand the struggles of others, the intellectual who berates the simple faith of the unlearned, and even the annoyingly showy person making sure their faith lives out loud louder than any others.
Come heed me, my brothers, come heed, one and all
Don’t brag about standing or you’ll surely fall
You’re shining your light and shine it you should
But you’re so heavenly minded, you’re no earthly good
If you’re holding heaven, then spread it around
There’s hungry hands reaching up here from the ground
Move over and share the high ground where you stood
So heavenly minded, you’re no earthly good
Those with the aspiration and monikers of “Conservative Thinkers” do themselves and the beliefs they are purportedly trying to proclaim no favors when they forget that what is perfectly acceptable in an academic debate is not only unhelpful but off-putting to the population at large.
There is a segment of the population, a loud one at present, eagerly knife-and-forking all the red meat being tossed suggesting that all-out ideological war is demanded upon us by the seriousness of the present threat to beliefs. There is a vastly greater number that aspire to get along and live in peace.
There are those who really want to know the classical underpinnings of modern liberal tradition. There is a far greater host that want to know if your idea is going to make their life better or worse.
There are some folks who are very concerned with the pluralist origins of American religious liberty and it’s affect on the meaning and scope of separation of church and state. Most everybody else just wants to believe and worship — or not worship at all — as they see fit and be left alone about it.
There are those who are zealots about defeating their intellectual enemy before the enemy defeats them and ruins the country. Most everyone else wishes both sides would just shut up about it.
I fully understand that all those issues are important to hash out. But outside the ivory towers of prestige publications and think tanks, something interesting is happening — or rather, not happening.
While we in the commentariat throw around terms like liberal, conservative, progressive, and hundreds of others there are 7 billion people on the planet, most of whom are more concerned with where their next meal is coming from than what label is attached to them. Even once winnowed down considerably to the 320-odd million Americans, only a small slice of them keep up with politics with regularity, and even less with the ideological theory that underpins the debate surrounding said politics. Consider: after 2 years of the omnipresent Donald Trump presidency, more than a decade of social media, nearly 40 years of 24/7 cable news, and a relentless technological march of more information more of the time, the ideological divide in these United States of America changed in 2018 from the previous year…
Americans’ assessment of their political ideology was unchanged in 2018 compared with the year prior when 35% on average described themselves as conservative, 35% as moderate and 26% as liberal. Although conservatives continue to outnumber liberals, the gap in conservatives’ favor has narrowed from 19 percentage points in Gallup’s 1992 baseline measurement to nine points each of the past two years.
Since 1992, the percentage of Americans identifying as liberal has risen from 17% then to 26% today. This has been mostly offset by a shrinking percentage of moderates, from 43% to 35%. Meanwhile, from 1993 to 2016 the percentage conservative was consistently between 36% and 40%, before dipping to 35% in 2017 and holding at that level in 2018.
Before you decry, “that’s just one poll’s opinion!”, Pew and virtually all other firms have it pretty much the same.
I rather suspect so much of the debate that centers on finding the purist strand of conservative, or classical liberal, or libertarian, or progressive, or whatever other ideology one is debating isn’t changing anyone’s mind as much as it is rearranging the same room over and over again. The plateau in the movement of ideological numbers may very well be that with the information age at its apex, and just about anyone who cared to know and engage has at this point. And inevitably, when a writer goes after another within the commentariat with no apparent pretext, there is usually something personal between them, or at least between the aggressor and the group that individual is using as a proxy for whomever the personal issue is with.
The biggest problem with what Sohrab Ahmari does here isn’t just his premise, which is a fine enough thing to debate I suppose, but the intent of it. Such writing and issues come off like a seminary debate, where cloistered folks argue over some obscure something that 99% of the real world population will never spend a spare moment considering. It matters among writers, and thinkers, and commentators — and probably does have some intellectual value in working through — but in the real world it has no practical value. Add in the gratuitousness “he’s too nice” nonsense as if that is some great heresy and you can quickly drill down to this being less about David French and much more telling of Sohrab Ahmari wanting to justify what he has already determined to be righteous in his own mind, then seeking out the Frenches of the world to contrast it with. And if your conclusion and faith isn’t up to snuff with his, clearly it is the problem of “how narrow their intellectual range of reference is, how dogmatic their commitment to their own Highest Good” is and not his own mistaken thought process.
And he is perfectly free to do so. As was David French, who is more than able to write his own defense, and did. But most everyone not invested in the conservative commentariat are just as likely to sing another round of “No Earthly Good” as they try to navigate the ever-shifting sands of reality under their in-real-life feet.
In the meantime, since I am not a great and vaunted thinker with cool letters after my name, I’ll continue to do what I’ve always endeavored to do: seek truth, call it like I see it, worry about getting it right. I love my country, and with a quarter of my country being made of liberals/progressives I have zero desire to hate or own any of them since loving my country means caring about them, too. My conservative brethren who think me a squish for that are fine and dandy and I care about them too. And if you can figure out what the vast swath of the middle thinks, well…there is a lot of money for you to make since folks spend a lot of time and filthy lucre trying to do just that.
For conservative thought to make gains, real meaningful gains, in the real world, will require a lot of grunt work to explain in plain language why those ideals would leave people better off if applied in a democratic republic. Maybe things like socialism start trending upward in popularity because the belief system that should be set against it has been running on reputation more than accomplishment for years and folks have noticed and started tuning it out. How they can be freer, happier, and deal with temporal issues with something other than ethereal platitudes is what folks want to hear. Otherwise they will find a faith, and belief system, that reaches them where they are. Something that is earthly good, not just printable and sharable among the right sort of ideological circles
And if so, the conservative ivory towers debates will go from intra-conservative, as in among them, to inter, as in the verb to lay something at rest in a tomb. Then they will be isolated, indeed.
I suppose this means my little dash on this debate will not be published?Report
Quite the opposite will be up at 11, and it is excellent. Looking forward to the discussion surrounding it.Report
Now Saul, you know that blogs often have different articles on the same topic.Report
Very different angle though starting with same subject. Much better writing by Saul, of course.Report
Ahmari is not a conservative but a revolutionary.
The injustice, in his own words, was not witnessing someone being attacked or persecuted, but a drag queen reading to children.
Her mere existence is an affront to him, and by extension, the mere tolerance of pluralistic liberalism is the enemy which must be destroyed.
The behavior of Mitch McConnell demonstrates this same posture; Liberals are not equal citizens, but illegitimate enemies who are unworthy of shared power and fair play.
The casual smirking acceptance of Russian interference in our elections, voter suppression, the deliberate cruelty meted out to immigrants- these are all symptoms of the same illness.Report
Ahmari is not a conservative but a revolutionary.
I think this is correct, and more specifically he is pushing for a Catholic inquisition revolution. I didn’t want to get into the religious weeds too much here, but if you drill down into his thinking enough that is what he appears to be after. Zeal of a convert, and all that. I doubt he dare say it, but I really suspect part of the reason he used David French as his proxy for this particular fight is his well-known evangelical faith that tempers his writings. The politics and conservatism appear to be at best a companion, at worst a front, for his main goal of make the world his particular brand of dogmatic Catholic.Report
It’s more than a intra-Christian spat, though.
The common thread that ties the entire contemporary Trumpist movement is the threat posed by liberals to the hierarchy of white men.
When you hear their conversion stories of how they were radicalized, they always sound weirdly trivial; The Kavanaugh hearings, a drag queen, the Russia investigation, etc.
Its never something like witnessing a man shot in the back by a cop who plants a gun and is acquitted; Never the story of an actress sexually harassed and having her career ruined; Never the children being ripped from their families and put in cages;
The real outrage in their eyes is the threat posed by a world in which people like Bret Kavanaugh and Donald Trump are not given due deference at the top of the hierarchy.Report
Evangelical vs. Catholic isn’t the real story; to name just a few, Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr. are red-meat Trump-worshippers, while Ramesh Ponnuru remains a French-like believer in the liberal order. Rod Dreher, who’s now Orthodox (his third brand of Christianity), is the paradigmatic example of “Trump is awful, but not as awful as every single person to my left”, especially the gays, the transgendered, and worst of all the Jesuits. This is all about escalating hatred of The Other.Report
I don’t disagree, I think the theology is being used to justify whatever it is they wanted to do anyway. And if it wasn’t religion it would be some other excuseReport
Ahmari would probably not react well if you asked him what he thought of S.J. Martin or Daniel BerriganReport
Lumping me in with the Jesuits seems awkward for everyone involved.Report
My son went to a Jesuit high school. It was a very welcoming and tolerant place.Report
Really?
I tend to imagine the Jesuits as — well — a bit militant. Although, tbh, I’m not sure that I’ve ever met a Jesuit.
(I’m sure I have, I just didn’t know it was happening at the time.)
In any case, that’s nice to hear.Report
They have a long-standing intellectual tradition. “Jesuitical”, as an epithet, means ” using subtle or oversubtle reasoning”; pretty much the same insult as “Talmudic”, so they’re *almost* Jewish. Remember the guy from Holy Grail who proves that she’s only a witch if she weighs the same as a duck? Him.Report
But wait! The Jesuits didn’t form until long after the period depicted in Holy Grail!
(This comment is ironic.)Report
Dreher, to his credit, grasps that Ahmari’s higher good can’t even be enforced upon American Catholics themselves, much less the rest of the country. Which explains his preference for withdrawal.Report
The fight against The Other is also a religious fight.
Old Protestantism Classic versus Protestantism Without The Dross.Report
” “Kill them all, God will know His own”.Report
Lots of his conservative critics noted that he had all the zeal of a convert.Report
There is a fine line there where I don’t want to question someones actual beliefs, since that is between them and their God, but there is definitely something to “zeal of a convert” in understanding where someone is coming from when they go to a place of absolutism, and especially in how they can make their cause life-or-death.Report
Ahmari is not a conservative but a revolutionary.
Yup. He got his start as a Marxist, and at some point decided to become a Catholic with a decidedly right-wing bent instead, but seems to have retained the basic orientation towards grand struggles and calls to revolution against a class of oppressors, while sneering at the liberals who think those class enemies can be reasoned with.Report
“Bog” is also British slag for “toilet”, as in:
Sun streaking cold
An old man wandering lonely
Taking time
The only way he knows
Leg hurting bad
As he bends to pick a dog-end
He goes down to the bog
And warms his feet
So another meaning for “bog-standard” is American Standard.Report
Well done, MikeReport
Its a purity fight. Idiologists have them every day of the week, from every point of view.Report
I get the desire to BSDI everything, i mean order must be brought to the force and all. But Goldbergs actual quote was, at best very poorly framed for a writer. That is at best and being the most charitable.Report
It’s interesting (and perhaps only barely relevant) that I’ve been hearing “bog-standard” used that way for maybe 15 years? Maybe 20? I see that it was in the OED as of 2002. It appears to come from the British Isles.Report
Same here. “Bog standard” is bog standard language.Report
I disagree with your take on this situation, Andrew. It’s reasonable for conservatives to reappraise the state of the movement and the country after Trump’s election, and by definition anyone who calls himself “conservative” would be inclined to go back to first principles in that reassessment. That’s not to say that every conversation is going to be interesting or important, of course. There’s bound to be some nonsensical relitigation of old disputes. But there’s likely to be some very important relitigation of old disputes too. The close calls and negotiated compromises have to be rethought if they’re going to make sense in a new setting.
There are only three possible courses of action. Either we throw everything out (in which case we’re not conservatives), or we keep everything as it was (in which case we’re not relevant), or we reconsider what is worth keeping and what is worth changing. It strikes me as odd that you’d even question that option.Report
Not sure I follow what you mean by “It strikes me as odd that you’d even question that option.” First Principles are fine things, using the “country after Trump’s election” as an excuse to do what you wanted to otherwise do anyway isn’t a return to principles but a return to default. I am very much for considering what is worth keeping and throwing out, my overall point is while we are discussing the minutiae of that the world keeps turning and few are paying attention to the internal debate other than to notice some people over in the corner arguing.Report
We are some people over in the corner arguing. Arguing in the corner is worthwhile.Report
Only to a point.Report
When you abandon the concept of absolute goods, the goods that are left are positional.Report
But this is the real point of the Amari/French affair, and the pointed reference to Aristotle… you can’t abandon the concept of absolute goods because all polities are organized around the sine qua non of Positional Goods… and the moment you can’t live without them, they cease to be positional.
Douthat deals with the matter in his column from June 8. DQSH is incidental to the matter… the question is what does one do when the goods around which the state are organized are re-ordered.
That’s the problem with saying everything is positional, they aren’t… and the polite fiction of liberalism that they are is only sustainable with broad consensus on exactly which aren’t. That’s the point on which left/right post-liberalism hinges.
That’s my philosophical appreciation of the stakes. My political take is that firing on Fort Sumter is not always as gratifying in the long run as it is in the short.Report
Oberlin got hit with maximum punitive damages (and it strikes me as unlikely that this will be overturned on appeal).
There’s a lot of indicators out there that the inevitable isn’t.Report
I have been reading what passes for high-class conservative thought for close to half a century. It gets repetitious fast. Uselessly general paeans to “prudence” – a virtue of which I am genuinely fond — tarting up an ever-changing set of specifics that one can guarantee will be embarrassing and largely disowned in about a decade. An overstuffed leather club chair and brandy aesthetic that tries to pass itself off as something substantive, until someone calls them on it and they sniff at the vulgarity of the demand. A fondness for substituting Capital Letters for explanations, as if Right Reason, the Highest Good, and the Nature of Evil spoke for themselves.
I’m getting old, and I don’t want to die in re-runs. Can’t somebody give us something fresh?Report
Nope. That’s why allegedly Conservative Republican politicians in Congress have spent the better part of a decade now trying to repeal the Heritage Foundation’s ideas on healthcare reform that were the major basis for the Affordable Care Act. By their nature modern conservative politicians, and thinkers apparently, want to conserve a reality that was harsh, hierarchical, misogynistic, bigoted and bereft of social innovation so that white men can continue to claim undue and unearned political and economic power.Report
Andrew, I also think you missed the point of the Johnny Cash song. It wasn’t complaining about theological ivory towers, it was complaining about religious hypocrisy. Unless you think that is part of the conversation, in which case I misread the point of your article.Report
The song is a touch point comparison. You can have fun with religious hypocrisy and political ideological hypocrisy, close cousins that they are. But no, I was not meaning to do exegetical deep dive on Cash lyrics strickly within Christian Theology.Report
Do you think that Ahmari and French are being hypocrites, or just have their heads in the clouds?Report
I think Ahmari has a religious agenda that he supposes couching in conservative ideology makes it’s underpinnings of his own personal thoughts on how society should be run more palatable to the wider right. He picked a name that would get it attention, in this case French, and then manufactured “David French-ism” out of whole cloth to since many like-minded folks who want a more militant and less tolerant brand of conservative already target him and where he writes anyway. So there was a joy meeting of several agendas at the intersection involved. Who is a hypocrite on what was irrelevant to the purpose of the exercise. The point was to justify Ahmari doing what he wanted to do anyway, which was rail against what he saw as improper.Report
I’m not familiar with Ahmari, so I can’t judge. I did read the original manifesto though.
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/03/against-the-dead-consensus
It’s definitely a statement against the fiscal-conservative social-moderate compromise, but it strikes me as more against the fiscal-conservative than against the social-moderate. You seem to be describing it the other way.Report
for clarification, I knew nothing of him before this, and judge him not only on the original piece but his conduct on social media in the aftermath as well. I can’t reference all of that obviously but it’s out there if you want to dig through it. You’re conclusion may be different of course.Report
I do think these debate, as esoteric and abstract as they are, do matter because they ultimately inform where the party is going. And one thing we’ve learned under Trump (and Obama/Clinton in some respects) is that where the party leadership goes, the party faithful will follow. The GOP voters have happily embraced trade wars, immigration cruelty and foreign policy miasma because … Trump has. A GOP led by the likes of Ahmari will be viciously cruel; one led by French much less so.Report
I see your excellent point as compatible to mine. Neither will ever really lead because the party will just morph into the personality that co-ops it. Then the thinkers will fall into various categories of enabling ot resisting. Then it is all wiped away and stay over with the next cult of personalityReport