Square Peg, Round Hole: Veronica Mars Season 4
Remember how I said I wasn’t gonna watch Veronica Mars Season 4?
Welp.
My good friend came for a visit and she doesn’t have Hulu. After I caught her looking longingly at the Hulu promotional ad for VMS4, we ended up bingewatching it over the course of a couple days. I’m pleased to report for those who read my last piece and were shocked, shocked I tells ya, that I had the unmitigated gall to write about something I hadn’t watched, we BOTH hated it (and I kept my mouth shut and didn’t ruin anything for her – she hated it all on her own).
My original instinct to not watch Veronica Mars S4 was spot on. The mystery was somehow both boring and rushed, the bad guy was obvious, and the twist on a twist where you thought there was a different bad guy but then it turned it was the first guy all along was equally obvious. Helpful hint, when you cast three famous people in guest starring roles, it’s OBVIOUS they are involved in the mystery somehow even if it seems like they’re only doing a cameo. While the Veronica Mars writers had pulled that trick off well in the past, the plotlines were interesting enough to make up for it. Not so this time. Nothing that happened was in any way surprising; no big reveal made me gasp in surprise. Seems to me by the time you get to multiple incarnations of ‘the most famous guest star did it’, it might be time for another approach.
There were plotpoints that came not from any VM show, but from a book series – and virtually no explanation of this was given onscreen. It was apparently, and bizarrely, a prerequisite that you’d read an extraneous Veronica Mars book series to know why Veronica and her old frenemy Weevil were angry with each other, a situation that was critically important to the plot.
Many of the characters you cared about or loved to hate from the original series, like the aforementioned Weevil and Veronica’s friend Wallace, were clumsily shoehorned in and/or barely present, and others like computer hacker Mac weren’t there at all. While some of this has been chalked up to “scheduling problems” rumor has it that some of the actors (particularly Tina Majorino, who played Mac) were less than pleased by a very limited amount of screen time. Giving Veronica a teen sidekick who ate up massive amounts of time you would have rather spent with the characters you already like was the most trite ploy since that Scrappy Doo and Cousin Oliver crossover event.
But this is really not a review of Veronica Mars Season 4 any more than my last piece was. Lots of people have written lots of words about how bad the show sucked, and you have Google.
During the same visit, my friend and I also watched Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel, you may recall, was a bit controversial in that it was supposed to be some feminist extravaganza starring a woke actress, and some people don’t like being preached to about feminism. As we all are sadly aware, that’s enough to launch a kerfluffle in 2019.
Anyway, the interesting thing I noticed by having VM and CM so nicely juxtapositioned, or is it juxtaposed IDK whatevs, is that they have the exact same fatal flaw to them. Since it’s one of my fave fatal flaws, I couldn’t resist writing about it.
You can’t just plunk an actress down in a story that is inherently about men and make no changes to her character or motivation and call it feminism.
Some of you are groaning now because you know I’ve written about this in the past, like in pieces about Wonder Woman and Better Call Saul’s Kim Wexler and Skyler White from Breaking Bad and in several other places besides. But since repetition is in a thinkpiece writer’s job description, I’ll say it again – you CAN’T just plunk an actress down in a story about men and make no changes to her character or motivation and say that it’s feminism!
Women don’t always or even usually have the same character flaws or motives as men do and it’s not anti-women for writers to take that into consideration. I find it’s actually pretty darn misogynistic to pretend that women are basically the same as men, only crazy, and if only they’d shuck off their cultural brainwashing and realize they were exactly like men and think and feel and behave exactly like men and realize their interests and desires are precisely the same as what men want, then maybe they wouldn’t be so crazy any more.
And that is exactly where both Veronica Mars S4 and Captain Marvel went wrong for me. Treating female characters exactly like male characters and pretending you’re striking a blow for women’s rights as if female characters written as women and not beboobed dudebros are somehow less compelling than male ones, is to my way of thinking a form of sexism. It may not be as overt as some other forms of sexism, but it’s sexism nonetheless.
You may recall that at the end of VMS4, Veronica’s brand new hubby Logan got exploded by an unexpected car bomb. After some thought, it occurred to me that at least part of the reason why Logan got so unceremoniously blown up was because we’ve all seen lots of hardboiled detective shows where the detective or whoever meets an awesome girl and settles down and then his lady love is murdered right on their wedding night. It’s a trope. So, they were doing that thing, because doesn’t it suck that no one in the history of #feminism ever turned that trope on its head before??
I maintain that the primary reason Logan was killed off is because the showrunners wanted Veronica to have “will they or won’t they” romantic relationship(s) with new love interests because the writers were feeling lazy and it’s an easy cheat to add manufactured drama to an otherwise boring episode. But “will they or won’t they” is only part of it. I think VM writers are obsessed as many writers are these days, with having female characters act like the worst stereotypes of men as some sort of nod to #feminism. They wanted Veronica free to have sexual relations with lots of other people because that is what a male character would do if his wife got blown to smithereens and the critics at The Mary Sue seem to like that sort of thing.
VMS4 seemed to confirm my suspicion as fact not only with Logan’s vaporization but also with a really peculiar scene in which Logan’s friend Dick does a striptease in a crowded club where women are groping him (I would happily post a link to a video so you could see what I mean, but I’m terrified of the search results I would find under “Dick striptease” so you’re on your own). Veronica takes drugs and drinks herself sick several times, which is completely out of character for her. Then she has a really involved, borderline X-rated erotic dream about a recurring character named Leo that apparently needed to be shown in exacting detail.
Now, maybe you consider most of that simple fan service, but here’s the thing. My friend and I represent a pretty wide swath of the target audience of Veronica Mars. We’ve been watching the show for quite some time and were once loyal Marshmallows. At the same time, we are both fairly staid and prudish people. We don’t take drugs. We have never attended a performance of The Thunder Down Under. I find stuff like male stripping and graphic sex scenes pretty cringeworthy unless they are of critical import to the overall plot (trust me, they weren’t) and my friend is even more staid and more prudish than I am. I don’t know what fans these scenes were meant to service, but it sure as hell wasn’t us. We liked Veronica Mars for other reasons – the intricate mysteries, the characters – 75% of whom were missing or barely there in VMS4, and yes, even the romance (by which I don’t mean soft core porn).
Above all else, I loved the original iteration of Veronica Mars because felt like it was made for ME. Veronica had problems that male detectives didn’t have – she’d been drugged and raped, her friend was murdered by an intimate partner, and she was treated like a pariah by the community because of it. She was a victim, but she wasn’t a victim. She picked up and went on like so many of us have to do and in doing so, she carried a banner for a lot of women doing the same in a way that I’ve never seen before or since. She didn’t become a nun, she didn’t become an emasculating bitch, she was still courageous and strong and powerful despite her trauma.
Just as all women do, Veronica had to find a way to navigate in a world where people could and did perform violence against women regularly. She had to seek some semblance of a normal existence despite knowing from brutal experience that when it comes to men, you never know if you’re getting Veronica’s dad or Logan’s dad, or if Veronica’s dad could actually just be Logan’s dad in disguise.
And she had to decide where her love interest Logan fit on this continuum. Watching Logan wrestle with his demons gave me a weird hope that maybe men weren’t always all bad, even as I learned about men who I thought were ok like Bill Cosby and Louis CK who turned out to be very f*king far from ok. Watching Veronica wrestle with Logan’s demons gave me a weird hope that it was ok to have a weird hope that men weren’t always all bad, to not give up on that guy you see something in even if you sometimes have to squint and use a lot of imagination.
This mattered to me. It was important to me that VM was revealing the truth of the world as I saw it – that men could be your biggest supporters, your cheerleaders, your saviors, even, and simultaneously your worst nightmare. Sometimes a man who seems like a friend can be revealed to be a murderous creep infected with chlamydia. The truth of the world is that the human male is the most dangerous animal who ever lived, and most of what they kill is smaller and weaker than they are. Half of all the women who are ever killed are killed by their intimate partners, and many more of us are hurt physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually by guys who say they love us.
And yet we keep coming back for more.
Veronica was a gal like me, trying to exist in that dangerous world all women inhabit without having superpowers, without friends (at least at first), without a functioning legal system, without even having a mom to protect her, to warn her. Against this backdrop she was irresistibly drawn to Logan, someone who had real potential to be a bad guy, who on many occasions WAS a bad guy, and yet despite knowing better than most that men could be Actual Bad Guys, she succumbed to the inclination. At the heart of Veronica Mars stood the quintessential female problem – that women still want to be with men despite knowing that they can literally kill us and very well may. It’s way more likely than dying of toxic shock syndrome, just saying. Girls who stay well away from tampons have boyfriends. I don’t know a single other show besides Veronica Mars that touched upon this problem, but it’s the defining problem of many women’s lives.
Romantic relationships from a woman’s perspective are akin to being a lion tamer, the kind that sticks her head in the lion’s mouth. Why would you do that unless you wanted to be bitten, just a little? We’re just as messed up as the dudes are, in ways no one really wants to discuss since it’s more convenient to talk about men instead and blame everything on them, and Veronica Mars at its best poked that hornet’s nest with a stick relentlessly.
My husband has a theory that sometimes creative people are just touched by God. They don’t know what they have, they don’t understand the deeper subtext or social meaning of the story spilling out of them, it’s coming from someplace beyond rationality, almost as if it’s been sent from a higher power. And as I’ve watched Veronica Mars degrade from the first two seasons of sheer perfection to the just-ok Season 3 to the lukewarm movie to the awful Season 4, I think that must have been true for VM creator Rob Thomas and his fellow writers. They thought they were making a hardboiled detective show with a girl in it and they didn’t know they were making a girl show that happened to be about a hardboiled detective. So now they want to keep on making that detective show only more harderboiled-er and have the girl act like a dude because that is a popular trend, but I preferred the girl show. The girl show was what I wanted to watch. The girl show was what was extraordinary and unique and meaningful to me. But it apparently came from God and not from Rob and God has moved on now.
That brings me to Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel, unlike the apparently accidental genius of Veronica Mars, is clearly a deliberate attempt to create something that MEANS SOMETHING. Captain Marvel is meant to impart a Very Important Message and it bludgeons you over the head with it repeatedly until you cry “aunt” which is the 2019 #feminism version of crying “uncle”.
The linchpin of Captain Marvel is to take that trope where the Chosen One has to learn to reign in their emotions in order to harness the Force or whatever, and turn it on its head. Captain Marvel has to embrace her emotions to use her powers. Since women are often told we’re too emotional and we need to be more logical and rational, it was a strike for feminism (not just #feminism, but the real deal) to have Captain Marvel’s powers hinge on her emotions.
It was a clever twist. I enjoyed it. It actually pissed me off that I didn’t think of it first.
What I didn’t like about Captain Marvel was how shallow it all felt. It was mostly #feminism, even including a cringey scene where Captain Marvel kicked some butt to No Doubt’s “Just a Girl” which had every eye in the room rolling.
Captain Marvel very much demonstrated what I hated about the latest incarnation of Veronica Mars. Rather than create a character who is a woman and has some problems that are possibly gender specific (gasp, the HORRORS) and thus relatable, they wrote a male character and then cast an actress in the role. Supposedly their entire raison d’etre, according to CM writer Nicole Perlman, was to avoid making Superman with boobs, and then they totally gave us Superman with boobs. Rather than stop for the smallest moment and consider what it might MEAN to the character and the story for the lead to be a female person rather than a male one, they just went with the tried and true (by which I mean to say boring and totally overused) “loose cannon” script even though women are generally more risk-averse than men and on the whole, we don’t tend to be loose cannons.
We’re expected to believe, because we are told at the start – fortunate, because they cast an automaton in the role and do precisely zero character development – that Carol Danvers’ problem is that she is overly emotional – but she never really displays any emotion other than supposedly being a cocky hothead (aka Tom Cruise in Top Gun) – mostly a male characteristic.
Just to use the most utterly stereotypical example I could come up with, let’s imagine for a moment instead that Carol tended to cry or panic when she got upset and that people didn’t take her seriously because of it. You may say this is somehow anti-woman, but if you say this, YOU are anti-woman, because I AM a woman and I’m telling you crying and becoming easily flustered when upset an actual problem for me, or at least it was when I was younger and still cared about anything. It didn’t cease to become a problem for me because I saw a movie where a woman gets angry and punches a wall (a thing I have seen 1435 men do IRL, and zero women) and I felt a surge of testosterone or possibly empowerment, which Hollywood seems to be telling me are the exact same thing. Emotional crying ceased to be a problem for me because I worked hard to overcome it and gradually learned that people’s temporary opinions of me really just weren’t that important and I could handle a lot more than I thought I could. I would find much greater meaning in a woman overcoming a legitimate problem that I have actually experienced – even if it’s somewhat stereotypical – and finding power within it, than having a proto-dude overcome a cocky hothead problem I’ve never personally had, despite being relatively feisty.
A fictional portrayal of women overcoming actual problems many women experience is not sexist. Thoughtless and limiting stereotypes are sexist, sure. Knee-jerk descriptions of damsels withering in the face of distress because they don’t have the wherewithal to withstand it are sexist. But stereotypes are not overcome by simply pretending that women are men and we don’t have problems we actually do have, any more than menstrual cramps are cured by watching a movie about a woman who doesn’t have them because she was in a secret government program where Midol was inserted right into her DNA.
Some things are real. Some things are true, even when they’ve been used to justify diminishing or dismissing women in the past. Women face challenges that men don’t and vice versa. This isn’t wrong or bad, it’s just reality, and I find female characters who are subject to reality a heck of a lot more inspiring than the shenanigans of superpowered superheroes.
https://youtu.be/nXsm7vKuoVo
Much was made over the deleted scene where a man asks Captain Marvel to smile, and then she proceeds to kick his ass and steal his car.
Can anyone explain how exactly seeing a woman embrace the worst stereotype of male behavior is empowering? Is this not just continuing the message of “he who has the gold, makes the rules” – whoever is strongest gets their way, and those who are weaker should take great care never to say the wrong thing because “To the moon, Alice, to the moon!”
If so, I humbly submit this approach doesn’t work out too well for women, the vast majority of whom were never exposed to a piece of the Tesseract and don’t have phenomenal cosmic power. We mostly just have itty bitty living space, and adopting Captain Marvel’s mouthy approach outside of a movie screen is a good way to get seriously hurt. Because as I mentioned above, when it comes to men, you never know if you’re getting Veronica’s dad or Logan’s dad, or if Veronica’s dad could actually just be Logan’s dad in disguise.
You’re probably thinking “Golly Kristin, it’s just a movie, it’s just a TV show, get over it” right about now and you’re right. Fiction is, well, fictional, it doesn’t have to accurately represent reality, nor does it have to speak truth. But one real live truth that Marvel has always gotten right is that with great power comes great responsibility. The creators of shows that purport to be empowering to women, that purport to be carrying the banner of feminism and imparting a message have a greater responsibility to keep it real then let’s say, Weekend at Bernie’s 2. If Veronica Mars and Captain Marvel don’t live up to that responsibility, hey, maybe it’s ok to point that male characters and female ones are not interchangeable, is all. And so, I point.
Veronica Mars and Captain Marvel have sold themselves as feminist representation. And their creators have financially benefited by doing so. These shows don’t claim to be merely #feminism, but the real thing. Real feminism entails a celebration of who and what women are, and even an implicit understanding that by virtue of biology, history, and culture, women may be in need of protections that men are not in need of. Not because we are inferior, but because we are different. And to deny those differences and act as if physical strength and male values are the default setting, seems to me to be a step in the wrong direction, away from real equality towards a new and improved form of sexism in which femininity is equated with weakness and masculinity is just how people ought to be.
I have not seen the new Terminator movie. That said, I heard a rumor that the three female (human) leads all yell “I am not a machine” against the antagonist during the climax of the film.
Movie lost $100 million, I understand.Report
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Veronica Mars and Captain Marvel have the same fatal flaw.
If it’s the the same flaw Ricky Martin and Philip Marlowe have, I think I’ve cracked the code.Report
I’m editing an unnecessarily argumentative comment I made because it occurs to me this may not be saying what I think it is saying and may be a patented Schilling obscure reference.
Can you kindly elaborate?Report
My first guess was “Um, she bangs?” but I didn’t see how Philip Marlowe tied in.Report
My assumption was that ‘you can’t generalize about human beings ever because Ricky Martin and Philip Marlowe are two totally different archetypes”.Report
There’s a classroom exercise I remember from middle school. Students take turns naming things and the teacher says whether she likes them or not. The first one to figure out what determines the answer wins. What makes it fun is that people generate intricate theories to explain what seem like random, contradictory responses when actually she “likes” every word that ends in a vowel.Report
Thank you for explaining.Report
I think your description of both season 4 Veronica and Carol Danvers as somehow male characters played by an actress just shows that you have bought into really limiting stereotypes regarding male versus female characteristics. The idea that being a cocky hotshot is somehow a male things seems laughable to me. I am an attorney and most my colleagues are cocky hotshot women, none of whom become flustered, panic, or cry when upset. There is nothing wrong with those tendencies, but they are not somehow more feminine than those of us who have always been tough fighters and found the only characters we can ever identify with (until recently) are male because writers think women are a certain way. Women are individuals. Many women do use drugs, enhoy strippers and casual sex. Many men do not.
I 100% like your point about the ways in which men are dangerous to women. I am a domestic violence attorney and have lived those truths. And as a result of repeated traumas, many women do become like Veronica in that we can’t let our guard down or set down our anger and have to relearn how to be gentle and open to others. I really identified with season 1 Veronica as a young adult and as a 40 year old I really identify with season 4 Veronica.
And I totally fantasize about being able to respond like Carol Danvers when some jerk tells me to smile. It’s pure power fantasy. Obviously, it would never be safe for me to (over)react like that in real life, but if I had super powers, nobody is ever telling me to smile again.Report
Seconded. I know several military women, and Carol Danvers was a very good amalgamation of them. If we are to believe that she was the sort to persevere through boot camp and beyond, then there is *no way* for her to have been as emotionally demonstrative as this review wants her to be. I found that representation to be well done, and I greatly enjoyed watching her embrace the power that not suppressing her emotions gave her.Report
I picked something really ridiculous and stereotypical to make a point, and I should have been clearer that was my intent. Thank you for reading.Report
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I agree. I think Kristin really missed the mark by saying these stories are “inherently about men.” I call bullshit on that.
Women firefighters exist, as do women soldiers, women boxers, etcetera. Plenty of women do “guy stuff” in real life — enough that maybe we should stop calling it “guy stuff.” So why not the movies also?
I think she can make the case that too many movies these days feature “cocky” women doing violence. Fair enough. Perhaps she doesn’t personally like this topic. Perhaps she would rather see more movies that portray women she can relate to. That would be a reasonable point. All else being equal, I’d rather see more options than less. I’d like a broad spectrum of art to exist.
That said, cocky women exist. I’ve met quite a few. Likewise, many of us enjoy movies about cocky people doing violence (but only in the movies, not real life). Given that, it seems (I shall say) brutally sexist to say that such stories somehow belong to men. Balderdash. Nonsense.Report
I’ve sat on this for a few days since it seems to be a minefield, but I’ll try.
It is ridiculous that you (who ostensibly know me, to some extent) could read what I wrote above and your takeaway is that I don’t think cocky women have a place in movies. I never said that, I would never say that, and while I can forgive a couple posters who aren’t OT regulars for perhaps making that mistake, and I could have maybe been clearer (and would have had I known this piece had legs beyond the site) I really don’t see that criticism coming from a person who “knows” me. At least, not as a fair appraisal.
You realize you’re talking to a person who named herself “atomic.” You’re talking to someone who gets into arguments online and spars with people, who writes inflammatory sh–, who started her own conservative feminist website and named it after herself, etc etc etc. Long story short, I’m pretty flipping cocky myself. You know as well as I do that I was not ever saying “cocky women don’t exist IRL” or that cocky female characters are not awesome and entertaining. Veronica Mars is cocky. Buffy is cocky. I love those characters. I could sit here for ten minutes and list 5000 cocky, tough, and strong female characters from fiction and reality that I stan for.
It is a totally twisted interpretation of my writing to imply that I was saying we can’t or shouldn’t have entertainment about women firefighters, women boxers, soldiers, etc etc etc That is just pure unadulterated nonsense, or like you said, balderdash.
that having been said, I personally happen to believe that cockiness in men and women have different flavors, different manifestations, different motivations, and people around cocky women react differently to them than they do to men. All these things are worthy of investigation. I found the manifestation they showed in Captain Marvel to be done badly, thoughtlessly, and to be a continuation of this knee jerk misogyny running amok in which male values, male standards, and male behaviors are held up as superior and things that women should emulate because it behooves men to have them do things that way.
I reject that, and am hoping for a better way in which women have ACTUAL representation of women in all of our variety. NOT just what is popular among the superwoke right this minute, but actual representation of a variety of women. Just as you say, more options, rather than less. From where I sit, I am seeing less and less representation of any women who aren’t supernatural killing machines, and it’s both boring and insulting to the majority of women who aren’t supernatural killing machines, in addition to being problematic in a number of ways I laid out in the piece. And that absolutely includes female soldiers, firefighters, boxers, etc.
I think we would both agree that gendered behavior is a continuum, like the behaviors of youth and old age are a continuum, and liberals and conservatives exist on a continuum. Something that exists on a continuum does not immediately make it an unhelpful lens to view the world through, even if it isn’t always true for everyone all the time. Generalizations based on a continuum can also be helpful, because there are certainly spots on a continuum where more people tend to fall than others. When it comes to women acting like Tom Cruise in Top Gun, they’re pretty few and far between compared to a lot of other women who are getting precisely zero representation on the screen and never HAVE gotten any (including female soldiers, boxers, and firefighters, with a few notable exceptions of course) That’s why it utterly sucks to see Veronica Mars, who was a pretty rare and precious character to me as I know she was to you as well, turned into just another iteration of Tom Cruise in Top Gun to cater to “fans” who aren’t even the primary fan base of Veronica Mars.
Here’s what I think. I think that you have so bought into what you believe is “conservative” on the continuum that you read in my words a stereotypical person who doesn’t exist and thus you immediately see me calling for all movies and television shows to star Carol Brady because I find her relatable when I’m saying nothing of the sort. I am merely pointing out that going from a world in which only one manifestation of the female gender was being regularly portrayed on screen, to another world in which only one manifestation of the female gender (which is IMO not even a very common manifestation, leaving the majority of women not represented at all) is not feminist and in fact is pretty darn misogynistic. Both of them present being a woman as some kind of pass/fail in which anyone who doesn’t fit a very narrow set of behaviors need not apply.Report
We can both agree on this. My complaints were about your phrasing and the whole “good versus bad” feminism spiel. That said, the whole superhero genre can be pretty shallow. Nevertheless, a lot of people find it entertaining, because it is. So having an occasional “girl power” movie in the genre seems like a welcome thing to me.
Furthermore, even among the superhero glut, we have characters like Jessica Jones, who are very different from Wonder Woman. Despite having super strength, Jones is clearly embodied as a woman, which makes her a better character I think. I still enjoyed Wonder Woman, on its own terms, although I wish they made more shows like Jessica Jones.Report
I just watched Captain Marvel and it left me a bit cold. I think you put your finger on one of the things that bothered me about it: that the character was sold as revolutionary but just seemed so mundane.Report
Yeah, mundane would have been a great word to include here.
I apologize to everyone for continuing on my same damn theme as always but it really, really bugs me to have one limiting stereotype that alienates lots of women replaced by another limiting stereotype that alienates women while we all have to applaud and say how brave it is. It isn’t brave or revolutionary to do the same thing everyone else is doing to get social approval.Report
Very well put. Glad you’re writing for us again! It gets a lot less fun around here when you’re not around 🙂Report
I loved Veronica Mars Season 4.Report
I’m so glad, there’s something for everyone in this world. Thanks for reading.Report
Logan made the show… his character had the most growth. Without him there is no show! Rob Thomas wrecked it!Report
I know, right??? Thanks for reading!Report
Veronica makes the show.
And Keith.
Everyone else can go, it’ll STILL be Veronica Mars.
Period.Report
Rob Thomas, is it really you?Report
I liked all the Veronica Mars seasons. They were very entertaining. Its not real life but it was very entertaining and that made it enjoyable to view. I just glanced over this article and read some feedback and peeps are just to negative. Enjoy life and get off the hate machine. It was a fun series.Report
Thanks for reading! I’m glad you found things in it to enjoy.Report
I kept rolling over my reasons for being disappointed in Season 4–it couldn’t be just that they off-ed Logan, could it?—but I thought I was being too picky about how Veronica came across as jaded and emotionally-stilted. Like, why was she so opposed to therapy? Why did she still hate Neptune so damn much even after giving up a promising legal career for it? Why was she constantly getting so drunk she needed face time with her toilet? Why does she hate babies so much?
None of that felt true to her Marshmallow persona. Underneath seasons 1-2 Veronica’s trauma was a girl who was looking for connection, understanding, and hope. Season 4 V Mars thinks hope is for sissies. She was selfish and terrible to the people she loved. I don’t want to buy into that.Report
It actually annoys me how easily everyone writes off our complaints as “well they just didn’t like them offing Logan” when it was so much more than that! Thanks so much for reading.Report
I enjoyed it. A little off from the original series, but what does one expect more than a decade later.
And, I was NEVER a LoVe fan.
Glad they left it open for ANOTHER season, happily anticipating one.Report
I dug VM S4 a lot (except for the theme song. Never thought Chrissie Hynde would let me down, but she did). Thought the mystery was twisty and enjoyable even if it was quickly pretty clear the villain was the villain, they were getting too much screen time not to be. Fun dialogue (the Trump joke was deadly), solid acting (Veronica’s quick turn from “Keith’s faking illness to provide a diversion for me” to “oh sh*t, what if he’s NOT faking, what if he’s really sick” was great).
(I’ve, ah, forgotten how to do spoilers around here so if anyone wants to clue me in I’ll do a better job hiding some of this next time).
This: “Veronica takes drugs and drinks herself sick several times, which is completely out of character for her”
strikes me as missing the part where Veronica’s no longer a high school, or even college student. She’s now in her late twenties, or thirties. I didn’t drink at all in HS, and not overmuch in college (relatively-speaking). Didn’t even smoke weed for the first time until I was out of college.
But the post-college twenties, I and many people I know tore it up. Near-constantly. Alcohol and more, to excess.
Some of this is just opportunity/access, and some of it is, like Veronica, realizing that your post-college life isn’t turning out the way you once thought it would, that in some ways you’re still stuck right in the same place you always were.
If the Veronica of S4 seems to you to have changed, it is because she fears she hasn’t.Report
Hey Glyph, long time no see!Report
Hey AD! How goes it?Report
Not too shabby, moved to Oregon!Report
Holy crap, It’s Glyph!Report
It’s me. Sorry I’ve been a stranger. How’s things?Report
Um, the last Alt-J album sucked. Other than that, pretty much nothing has been going on. I saw the Joker movie.
How’s about you?Report
Kids. Working in a company and industry that’s gone from ascendant to trying to somehow hold onto its ever-smaller-piece of pie, and doing that by predictably doing the sorts of things that rarely work. Riding around on a OneWheel, AKA DangerBoard. Getting older.
I didn’t see Joker, but I did enjoy this:
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Good to see ya Glyph!Report
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I disagree. She had some pretty solid reasons for not drinking and taking drugs, and she never would have done it knowing Logan is prone to overindulging. What’s more, Logan himself was in the active military and in therapy, and maintaining his self-control was of pretty high importance to both those things. I really doubt he would have taken the chance on drugs knowing that he himself tended to have a weakness in that department.
If they did want to change that, they needed to establish the reasons why the situation was different. They didn’t, and I think it was because it was a simple cheat by the writers, an easy way out to show like, how totally edgy Veronica had gotten, without doing any of the actual work. It’s inexcusable laziness on the writer’s part. If they wanted that as a plot point it could absolutely have been done and done well, but the way they did it was dumb and cheaty and did not seem in keeping with the Veronica I know, even if she was an adult.Report
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