And He Thinks It’s Funny: Joker
So I saw Joker on Saturday and have a handful of thoughts about it. If, for some reason, you wanted to read this essay but are also hoping to avoid spoilers, I’ll just tell you that, yes, it’s good and yes, you should probably go see it BUT only if you see it with someone whose hand you can grab and squeeze during the intense parts. OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY.
After this, there are spoilers. Be warned.
First off, I want to say that this wasn’t the movie I expected. Given all of the various hype and rigamarole surrounding the movie, I expected the movie to be vaguely alt-right (if not overtly alt-right). It wasn’t.
This might be the first movie that has the Joker as a main character that has the Joker be mentally ill. I’ve mentioned before that my issue with the Heath Ledger Joker was that he wasn’t crazy. I’m going back now and trying to think were any of the Jokers crazy?
Cesar Romero’s Joker wasn’t crazy. He was a villain who wore clown makeup. I suppose you could argue that it’s crazy to wear clown makeup when you rob a bank and that puts you in a different category than a guy who just robs a bank, but you could also just see it as being a bad guy with a clown motif.
Jack Nicholson’s Joker? I don’t think he was crazy either. He had a chemically induced grin and, sure, he had a bad day with Batman at the start of the film but I don’t think he was crazy.
I’ve already talked about how I don’t think that Heath Ledger’s Joker was particularly crazy… was Jared Leto’s? He was certainly a psychopath who didn’t care about hurting people and he had “damaged” tattooed across his forehead but he didn’t strike me as crazy either. He was a villain in a superhero movie.
Joaquin Phoenix? He’s playing someone who is mentally ill. Like, not merely “psychopathic with sociopathic tendencies” mentally ill, but “stops taking his medication and starts rubbing his arms because he’s going through depersonalization-derealization” kinda mentally ill. We see him have some interactions with his mother and we see that she’s seriously narcissistic (and we learn that she has a history of mental illness that resulted a history of abuse for him).
We see him go from being a vaguely sympathetic figure into a vaguely unsympathetic villain. Like, if you’re worried that the movie more or less justifies the things that he does, it doesn’t. He kills several people in the film and I suppose we could discuss whether the people he murders deserved some form of consequences for their actions, I’m pretty sure that nobody would take the side of “they deserved to die”. There is no “Joker-as-antihero” thing going on in this movie. You’re not building up to a cathartic orgy of violence (though there is violence and gore galore). You’re watching someone spiral down, down, down and turn into a murderer. Is Joaquin’s Joker vaguely sympathetic? Sure, vaguely so. But he’s also got this thing going on where he makes you feel uncomfortable. You’re not drawn to him. He’s repulsive.
At its core, it was a character study of a Bad Person who happens to suffer from Mental Illness. Truffaut generally gets quoted as saying “there’s no such thing as an antiwar film” but, as I was researching to find the source of that quotation, I found that he didn’t say exactly that but said something more nuanced and interesting. In a 1973 interview with Gene Siskel, he said “I find that violence is very ambiguous in movies. For example, some films claim to be antiwar, but I don’t think I’ve really seen an antiwar film. Every film about war ends up being pro-war.”
What Joker tries to do is give us a Joker but not ennoble him. It fails… because Truffaut was right. That said, they’re going out of their way to NOT give the audience an antihero finally standing up for himself (resulting in an orgasmic release of endorphins during the culminating orgy of violence). They, instead, give the audience an origin story for a Joker for whom it makes sense that he gets put in the violent ward of an asylum rather than in a prison without possibility of parole.
Which brings us back to what I opened with: this wasn’t the movie I expected. I rather expected an alt-right movie about an antihero who eventually grows into Batman’s biggest villain. You know, something hinted at in this meme that traveled around the internets a few months ago:
Instead, what I got was a movie that was almost alt-left in its criticism of The System (while maintaining a straightforwardly New Deal Liberalism take on the importance of social services). (And it was only alt-left insofar as it was asking “do you want masked idiots rioting and setting things on fire? Because this is how you get masked idiots rioting and setting things on fire.)
I imagine that it will get a kabillion award nominations (the sound editing, for example, was pretty amazing) but I’m not sure that it will be a movie where we talk about the Joker for years and years and years to come (like we did with Heath Ledger’s Joker). I’m not sure that I’d want to see a Batman movie set in this particular universe. Despite its name and despite the handful of scenes that tell the audience “you’re in Gotham”, it’s not a comic book movie. It’s an impeccably acted movie about someone suffering from mental illness who goes on, in turn, to make the world itself suffer. And he thinks it’s funny.
My original tagline for the post was “Content Warning: Tobacco Use”.Report
I haven’t seen this film. I never worried about the sanity of the Joker for the same reason that I never worried why Batman never encountered a criminal who was strong enough to beat him in a fistfight. I never thought that Batman and the Joker were “real” in the same way that Anna Karenina seems “real” to me. Comic books validated my idea that the fearful and puny being of my prepubescence was merely a disguise hiding my true identity of someone who was powerful and mattered. If I am to believe that the Joker is mentally ill, it would mean that he has a mind, a soul, and is “real.” Then I would have to regard the people he kills as real and open my heart to their pain and suffering. I’d rather see Coyote flattened by an anvil to get up and continue the chase three seconds later.Report
Yeah, this is strikes me as accurate. I’m trying to think of something to add but you covered it.Report
I’ve heard it said that you don’t win awards for the “best” acting/directing/writing etc. but for doing the “most.”
Joaquin Phoenix is very much doing the most acting here.Report
Yeah, he’s going to get a nomination and I’d put him down for an early favorite for the win based on the whole “harrowing” thing.Report
Agreed; Heath Ledgers Joker wasn’t crazy; no one who could plan like that can be called crazy. He was more like a demonic entity or a person possessed by the same. In the Dark Knight returns comic when Batman kills the Joker he narrates that whatever was in him rustled as it left his dead body. I think that would have applied to Ledgers Joker.
I have been profoundly disapproving of this Joker origin story concept movie in general because I felt that any form of origin story would be utterly inadequate and would diminish the character or glorify it in a horrible way. Do you think it did that?Report
I think it skirts that problem by being the story of a more mundane mentally ill and marginalized spree killer, and not a plausible origin story for a charismatic and capable mass murderer like the other Jokers. So largely diminishment.
This dude would be a couple hours work, maybe a night or two, job for even the least capable versions of Batman.Report
One thing they did that was kinda funny and comic booky was that they established that Joker could take a beating. So, sure, Batman could take him out and beat the crap out of him. Joker would be ready for more tomorrow night, though.Report
I look at it this way: Much in the same way that Ben Affleck’s Batman in Justice League was very much a Batman past his prime, this Joker is newly-minted and not yet the Joker who will become Batman’s nemesis.Report
My idea of the Joker is that he’s part of an argument against Batman.
Batman represents some vague form of cheating on the part of civilization in service to civil society and Joker represents some form of the argument that the institutions are failures and we’re in some weird cartoon-logic place where we’ve already walked over the cliff and we won’t fall until we look down and he’s telling us to look down.
Plus some weird obsession thing on Joker’s part.
This Joker is a “real” one. The character is diminished by becoming real, I suppose, in the same way that a “real” Batman would be. You know how in Quentin Tarantino movies, he sometimes alternates between absurd violence that is funny and “real” violence that is horrifying? This movie has all of the violence being the horrifying kind without any of the funny violence. As such, Joker isn’t really glorified beyond the Truffautian “to depict a thing is to glorify it” sense of the term.
Inadequate? I dunno. It’s like they decided to finally make a mentally ill Joker. And I realize that I prefer my Jokers to be archetypes.
It was a really good movie… it’s just that Joker isn’t improved by reality.Report
Yes, that seemed to be the Dark Knight Rises position too IIRC. Joker went basically catatonic during the long years when Bruce hung up the cape then revived with a vengeance once Batman re-emerged.
I like your analysis and agree. Joker isn’t a concept that can survive outside comic books or their themed movies very well.Report
I’ve seen a theory, and I’m not sure how true this is but its something that as a lot of truthiness to this, that the Joker movie might have started life as a generic slasher movie and the Joker got slapped on later to make money.Report
I didn’t get that feeling. It might be true, of course… but this didn’t feel like someone tacked Joker onto this.Report
I wasn’t the only one to make the comparison, but the first thing I thought of when they were talking about Joker was Todd Phillips’s first movie, “Hated”, about G.G. Allin, which was arguably also about someone suffering from mental illness who goes on to make the world suffer, and the people around him who think it’s funny.
It’s debatable whether or not G.G. Allin was “acting”, although I’ve heard someone recently make a really plausible argument that he was suffering from a brain tumor. Anyway, it’s not a movie I’d “recommend” per se, but it’s better than the comedies Phillips has done and, in interviews, he’s been making the comparison to Joker apparently.Report
Jeez, I only knew him as the “Hangover” guy. I didn’t know that he was the Borat guy (or one of the Borat guys).
Andy Kaufmann’s bastard children using their tricks on us even now.Report
I saw the film at a midnight screening in a little arthouse theatre in DC (long gone) when it first made the rounds and, wow, was that weird! It was me in this little arthouse theatre and everyone else in the audience was a skinhead. I imagine the Hangover audience is different.Report
Joker felt like someone took “The Downward Spiral” and turned it into a move.Report
for me Heath Ledger was crazy Joker! Why not? I don’t understantReport