39 thoughts on “Some quick thoughts on the SCOTUS Obamacare decision…

  1. The path to good, affordable health care is now pretty clear.

    Get coverage in another country. Take care of routine and emergency needs in the US, and spend a few hundred dollars in airfaire when needing expensive planned procedures.Report

    1. … bullshit. you want artificial reconstructive surgery, you want a new gallbladder? you is coming here. You think we don’t get plenty of folks from the Middle East and plenty of other places???

      You haven’t had the conversation: “He’s from egypt. is he african, asian, caucasian”
      “the government doesn’t care. they only care about American minorities”Report

      1. Kimmi, You’ve never heard of medical tourism? There’s a hospital in, iirc, Bangkok that was western-built and only hires western trained doctors. Costs are so low that it’s cheaper to fly there and pay out of pocket for many procedures than to have it done in the U.S.Report

            1. Yeah, if it was covered, we’d just let the insurance company pay for it!

              (Of course, if pregnancy-related bills are any indication, we might not tell them about it and just sneak off to India for the treatment. Our insurance company is using my wife’s pregnancy to modify the terms of routine claims that were covered before. Now it’s all considered pregnancy-related and thus applies to the deductible.)Report

    1. A note to future lawmakers: if you don’t want to call it Obamacare, Hillarycare, Bushstimulus, Stop With the Alphabet Soup!

      If I don’t even remember the abbreviation, I’m just going to use Obamacare, because at least that’s recognizable.Report

      1. I dunno, I think PPACA is pretty straightforward (“Packah our even Puhpackah work for me. I think the defensiveness surrounding “Obamacare” was out of proportion, but it was an easy enough request to honor.Report

          1. There’s no reason we can’t call it Obamacare, except that I was told it was a slur. But there’s no reason not to call it PPACA for the same reason we call EMTALA and HIPAA by their acronyms.Report

            1. Actually, I take that back, we shouldn’t call it Obamacare because it wasn’t his baby half as much as it was Pelosi’s. So, if anything, it should be Pelosicare.

              (Pelosi was truly an amazingly impressive Speaker.)Report

              1. Successful legislation has a thousand fathers. PPACA was a loaf kneaded by a hundred hands, not least of which was Karen Ignagni, who single-handedly struck the Single Payer provisions from the bill with a naked threat to Obama, in the Oval Office.Report

              2. Successful legislation has a thousand fathers. PPACA was a loaf kneaded by a hundred hands,

                So what were the other 900 fathers doing?Report

            2. In all fairness, it *was* coined as a slur. I think of it as being similar to back in ’08, when people would take care to emphasize the “Hussein” and then ask innocently, “What? What? Isn’t it his name?”

              That the name Obama care hasn’t taken on the level of shame it was meant to doesn’t make the original intent any less true.Report

              1. See, I don’t remember it that way at all. I remember lots of people using the term, and not just fans of Fox News. Obama’s attempts lacked a widely-used name, and Obamacare filled that void. Then suddenly it wasn’t acceptable anymore. Hit me like a ton of bricks because I’d been using it in a non-slurry way the whole time.Report

              2. i don’t recall it being in heavy use… people just used “health care reform”. but it is Obama’s signature issue…

                hillarycare was coined around when people started weighing the law…Report

    2. Obama has recently embraced the name “Obamacare” and I think that will be even more the case after the SCOTUS decision today.

      Imagine 30 years from now “Obamacare” being used the same way “Medicare” is used now. I’d think that would warm the heart of ol’ Obama sitting in the Ex-Presidents Retirement Village.Report

  2. The current mindset we cling to – that we should be allowed any and every kind of care regardless of cost, efficiency, or effectiveness, without being subjected to rising premiums – needs to be discarded. This means its time to stop with the “Death Panels!” hysteria. It’s time, in other words, for us to start acting like grownups about our own healthcare system.

    Yes. This.Report

    1. Agreed. Something has to give, especially as the population. Perhaps it should be the notion that we should be kept alive at any cost because it’s technically possible to do so.Report

  3. Now that the questions of the law’s legitimacy have been put to rest, we need to start having a very real conversation about what healthcare in this country should and shouldn’t be.

    While I agree with most of what you’ve said in this piece, I don’t think that a 5-4 Supreme Court decision is going to put questions about the law’s legitimacy to rest. Conservatives are just going to move the fight to Congress. Romney’s already doubled down on his call to repeal it.

    We do need to have a real discussion about health care policy; just as we need to take an honest look at entitlements such as social security and Medicare. But neither of our political parties has indicated that they’re serious about addressing these issues beyond using them as political talking points. Particularly the Republicans.Report

    1. I’m not entirely sure I agree with this being a bad thing.

      One of the things I noticed over these past few weeks, when conservatives were so sure that they were going to be victorious this morning, was how much they’ve been pushing the need to keep certain parts of the HCR bill alive. Scott Walker, Boehner, even Rubio in the interview the other night stressed hard that they were going to Do Something.

      I think it’s one thing to say “Unconstitutional!” in front of a microphone. I think it’s another thing to start telling people that you’re going to take away things like pre-existing condition laws. Most polls that I have seen suggest that voters, Rs included, do not favor Obamacare as a fuzzy concept, but by and large support much of what the bill does. I don’t think we’ll see a straight repeal at this point without a counter-proposal of some sort, which is what should have happened two years ago – so better late than never.

      If I’m wrong, and the GOP thinks they can just repeal without having to answer to voters why they eliminated the things voters wanted to keep, then their goose will be cooked for a long time coming.Report

      1. I think a lot will hinge on the outcome of November’s election, both presidential and congressional. If Obama survives, then Obamacare stays and becomes increasingly difficult to repeal. But if Romney and enough Tea Party types get elected, I think the whole thing is at risk, even the stuff people like. Some Republicans might want to “do something” but, aside from the Ryan Plan to privatize Medicare, I’ve yet to see many specifics.Report

        1. Its pretty unlikely Rs will get the trifecta required to repeal Obamacare, though. Provided Ds retain either the Senate or the White House, there’s no actual repeal. So the worst you get is attempts to de-fund or otherwise prevent implementation of the bill. But precisely how does that go – I’m having trouble thinking of an avenue that doesn’t either create a awesome “Republicans killed your grandmother” talking point, or give someone standing to sue.Report

      2. If I’m wrong, and the GOP thinks they can just repeal without having to answer to voters why they eliminated the things voters wanted to keep, then their goose will be cooked for a long time coming.

        I see all the crap that the GOP has done over the years and, as long as they have the media in their pocket, I doubt anything will cook their goose.Report

Comments are closed.