A Shot Over the Bow of Centrism
An article from Jack Mirkinson at Salon makes several complaints about Chicago’s mayor, Rahm Emanuel. While I am not inclined to defend Emanuel, given that most of the charges leveled at him seem to be accurate, I did find one complaint to be more subjective. Mirkinson writes:
He exemplifies a particularly loathsome breed of Democratic politician—the constantly triangulating, plutocrat-courting, privatizing so-called “centrist,” that so dominated the Bill Clinton years.
This criticism seems timely in the sense that we are just a few months away from that time when our two nominees for the American presidency will begin to moderate their positions in a bid for the majority of our electorate, It’s also interesting in that Mirkinson seems to make a distinction between “centrism” and “triangulation.” I’m guessing that by this he means that the former is, in theory, a more principled ideological position while the latter is the product of politics in the worse way.
My friend Dennis Sanders and I have both, at times, struggled to define what a moderate/progressive/center-right position looks like for ourselves. It’s a complicated proposition in a society that encourages our citizens to pick teams, whether it be in sports, your favorite soda or your political party. Once you have made that choice, if you feel a pull towards a position that is closer to the other side than some of your same team members, it can be an uncomfortable place.
It is believed by many that Centrism is the ideology of people who feel a compulsion towards compromise. That’s where the criticism of triangulation comes in. You define the two extremes of an issue and then champion a solution somewhere in-between. No one is really very satisfied with the result but it feels like the ball was moved forward a little bit. The question then becomes, if we have to water down our positions just to meet the other side in the middle, would it have been better to do nothing?
For someone like Emanuel, the reason why criticism is leveled is because it is assumed that he doesn’t hold very strongly to any particular principles. He just wants to reach agreements, promote them as achievements and stay in office. This assumes the worst of Emanuel, and I can only speculate whether or not this is true. What I can say though is that Centrism, true ideological Centrism, is a rare thing. It’s almost impossible to find anyone who holds enough positions smack in the middle of American politics that they can accurately define themselves as Centrists. More accurately, there are people on the Left and Right, fairly called moderates, that like to see progress. They don’t triangulate, but they are willing to at least have a conversation.
Jon Acuff said it best when he wrote, “Discourse in our country died the day we decided that if I disagree with you it means I hate you.” If there is one thing I can promise about this election year, it’s that we are going to forget the truth of that many times. We will stake out our corners of the conversation, circle the wagons with those on our team and assume much about the other side. It’s easier than looking for answers or trying to understand a position that seems incomprehensible to us. We don’t have to race to the middle. We don’t have to triangulate. We simply have to talk, try to understand the other side, and see where we end up.
I was browsing through Salon and it seems that Salon seems much more anti-capitalist than usual. I remember a few years ago that Salon was left of center but not explicitly anti-capitalist. Perhaps it is the Sanders candidacy or perhaps some third factor but I seem to be seeing a much more explicitly anti-capitalist (or anti neo-liberal) left. Perhaps it is evidence of increased polarisation or perhaps it is just the last gasp of a dying breed of socialists or perhaps the internet does fish everything up. We’ll just have to wait and see won’t we?Report
I won’t take a position on Salon’s shift to socialism, but I will take a strong stance on its shift to terribileness and posting 4 video links/day of late-night talk show hosts “destroying” some right wing something-or-other.
I’m against it.Report
I agree. I am all for a shift to socialism, but Salon feels a lot like its trying to be a more respectable Buzzfeed/Gawker, and failing to do so.Report
They used to have some really good writers and pieces there. I still check it once in a while from habit but it’s a banal shambles now (no offense intended to any former OT’ers employed there).Report
Banal Shambles
Now there’s a good name for a band.
Or an album title.Report
Read this Glyph comment in which he DESTROYS Salon!Report
If we achieve a socialist utopia, what kinds of late-night content will Salon even be able to re-post?
https://youtu.be/bd8vNJoVwf8Report
but I will take a strong stance on its shift to …
So, Salon is “Shifty” in this scenario, right? Or is it “D-money”? Questions…Report
Those questions can only be answered by whichever white girls are suing Salon for back child support.Report
I stopped reading Salon about a decade ago when it became so rabidly left-wing. I wish it would go back to being the left-of-center journal it once was.Report
Likewise, and that’s saying something.
Its geographically near Jacobin or The Baffler, but on a NewsMax wavelength.Report
One account that makes Twitter worthwhile is @Salondotcom. It’s a parody account that posts pretend headlines. It’s terrific, and half of what they post are simply retweets of something crazy that Salon has itself posted.Report
My off the cuff impression is that we’re kindof at max left-kook right now. The entire left wing of the Democratic alliance is trying to haul both candidates to the maximal left right now so the left-o-sphere is at a rolling boil.
As for Salon, the less said the better.Report
It looks to me more like the left is fissioning along the lines of social vs economic/class emphasis. The BLM folks vs the old school social dems a la Sanders, as it were. Meanwhile Clinton is a centrist-executive-type doing what’s necessary to win. (Not that that’s bad, mind you, I just don’t see her as being particularly leftish, just left-of-dead-center)
It recalls the much-vaunted breaking of the three-legged-stool on the right circa 2006-8Report
Depends on how you define “fissioning”. If you mean the two sides are pulling in different directions or different emphasis I’d agree with you. If you mean there’s a danger of a political split or something I’d disagree. The disagreements aren’t fierce enough.Report
Agreed. I think a lot of us are feeling primary tension between Sanders (to whom I, at least, am more closely aligned on most issues where he diverges with Clinton) and Clinton (who is extremely talented, would be historic, is safer in the general, but has some baggage). I’m sure we aren’t going to have a party split when Clinton wins the primaries.Report
Word, and I think very highly of Bernie who (to his enormous credit) has gone to some lengths to operate his campaign in a manner that has lent itself to a non-destructive contest.Report
I mean they’re pulling in different directions and, should the left collapse purely due to a doctrinal split (which the right is not in the process of doing, even if you do believe it’s collapsing), this will be that split.Report
Yes I think that’s about right and frankly it’s healthy.
I wouldn’t say the right is collapsing, the Establishment Right has been merrily eating their seed corn with increasing severity for about 25 years and the Gods of the Copybook Headings are showing up with the bill.Report
I don’t think there are necessary super differences between BLM and Sanders. Is there any evidence that the BLM side is pro-wall street?Report
The potential is there. I just read a piece I cant remember where (either Salon or Guardian) bemoaning the fact that feminism has ended up hitching itself to capitalism (e.g. lean in). The complaint was that gender parity could have been achieved in many ways, some more solidaristic others more individualistic and neoliberalish. It has turned out, however, that feminism developed in a way as to push for the second option. There is no particular reason why the same cannot happen for racial equality. Insofar as BLM is concerned with racial equality more generally, it seems that it is more likely to get political traction if it speaks capitalist language and hitches itself to capitalist goals than if it speaks socialist language and hitches itself to socialist goals.Report
The BLM side does not favor Wall Street, but they do (as I understand things) object to anything that proposes to solve equality issues and does not explicitly address racial concerns. While the Sanders wing believes that economic solutions will naturally solve racial inequalities on economic lines, or are more important than race-focused solutions.Report
Saul — there’s considerable evidence showin’ that BLM’s prime constituency is pro-torture.Report
So, max left means agreeing with most of Hubert Humphrey’s who was the most establishment Dem possible when it came to economics for most of the 50’s and 60’s policy and political goals? That’s depressing.Report
Well let’s face it, not much of even the feverent left seriously wants to, say, do away with capitalism or whatever. You poll your leftists and they’re not really looking to create a new socialist humankind or whatever they’re hoping more to get closer to Europe on safety nets and regulation (though somehow without the racism and unemployment). On economics at least we’ve moved pretty far away from that.
So yeah, the left now is pretty far to the right of the left in the 1950’s and 60’s no matter what the idiot right wingers say.Report
The problem with “centrism” is that it’s often used in a weird way. For instance, it’s often used (as a self-descriptor) by people who might be quite conservative on some policies, and quite liberal on another. (Generally a split on economic policy and social policy).
Being, for instance, in favor of a BBA and a flat-tax and ALSO in favor of gay marriage doesn’t exactly make you centrist.
Then there’s “centrist” as a sort of pseudo-political party. There’s always someone out there willing to run for office in the firm belief that if he splits the baby right down the middle, a great silent majority will arise to back him. They never arrive. And in fact, those folks almost always run on much the same platform, and one that never struck me as even being all that middlish. It was mostly heavily economic/budgetary, with silence on any other issues.Report
Yes, there’s a persistent sense that if you just cut benefits (to appeal to Republicans) and raise taxes (to appeal to Democrats) you’ll just be able to cruise into the Oval Office.Report
Don’t forget “centrism” in the beltway pundit sense, which means that every criticism must apply equally to both parties, every observation must be couched under a “center-right nation” observation, etc etc.Report
Let’s see if I can be obnoxious… centrism is what happens in the suburbs. The important fissures on the left can be described as tension between suburban liberals and the urban poor. On the right, between suburban conservatives and the rural poor. Control of everything from the Presidency down to state legislatures depends on winning in the suburbs.Report
That’s obnoxious but it’s definitely a contributing factor, oh boy howdy.Report
It has a certain plausibility, whoa dang!Report
This is indeed a good distillation of post-WW2 US political dynamics. When crime was on everyone’s mind starting in the 70s and ending right around the end of the century, suburbs through their weight in with conservatives. As crime went away, and ‘suburbs’ themselves got more dense and more immigrants, the suburbs now go with liberals.Report
Rahm’s big issue then his that he really isn’t serving his constituents. He is the mayor of a city. Not the mayor of the suburbs.Report
Yup, that’s mighty obnoxious.
Centrism is what happens when your conservatives can’t side with the Republican Party.
In other words, your urban poor — the folks that are pro-torture, and generally favor being strict on crime and guns.Report
Black Lives Matter is centrist activism, pure and simple.
They’re centrists (ConservaDems, to use Pew’s charming terminology), and they’re engaged.Report
Morat raises a good point. Centrist is lazy because pollsters will take someone with a hash of positions and call them a moderate or centerist.
I think the race to the center is largely dead in American politics. Rahm is playing from an old school playbook that no longer is popular with large and growing segments of the Demicratic base. Privitazation no longer is popular. He alienated the black base that elected him.Report
The race to the center is dead, primarily because the Democratic Party has occupied that position and is already there and the GOP is currently not even trying to get there. It’s like the start gun sounded, one runner was already at the finish line and the other one ran in the other direction.Report
Rahm’s issue is that he took things to far. I can’t think of any other Democrat that privatized government services with Rahm’s zeal. Also closing down the schools was bad.
I would say there is more of a push left. “School reform” and charter schools have a bad taste for the Democratic base now.Report
For sure, Rahm very obviously went corporate which is a problem centrism makes Democratic pols especially vulnerable to.Report
Other issues is that the Democratic base wants to catch up with Western Europe when it comes to things like paid leave and vacation. This is hard for centerists who want to give it to the base but don’t know how to fund said programs without putting off their donors and corporate Akerica.Report
I think that concern is a big part of it, but another is that the Democratic establishment has become committed to the premise that raising taxes on the “middle class”[1] is so toxic that the Dems must never, ever do it. Sanders rejects this, and that drives a lot of the policy differences between the Clinton and Sanders camp.
[1] Which somehow wound up being households making less than $250K/year. Maybe that is a donor base issue….Report
HRC clearly doesn’t want to alienate the upper middle class base of the Party.Report
Not just a donor base issue. It’s a media and perception issue. The young professional policy wonks, the media mouthpieces and the party actors make money in those ranges. So cynically they don’t want to gore those peoples oxes and non-cynically they think of those people (aka themselves) as middle class.Report
Funding isn’t the only issue. Paid leave and mandatory paid vacations also impose obligations on corporations that they do not want.Report
Why should Rham leave underperforming or under utilized schools open? As much as I dislike him, I’m glad he stood up to the teachers.Report
I’d say it happened when people started insisting on litmus tests that determine whether we’re a Democrat (and therefore agree with them) or a Republican (and therefore can be safely hated, mocked, and ignored.)Report
The GOP has no litmus tests? Who knew!Report
RINO is only an animal in Africa.Report
To liberals, “Centrist” generally means “I gave up my principles and took the money”. Let’s not pretend that most political battles are won by anyone besides the lobbyists.Report
Yup, looking at the most recent DW Nominate scores, even though there one space away, there’s a distinct difference between Max “I Need to Keep the Health Insurance Lobby Happy” Baucus and Heidi Heitkamp.Report
I would state that differently. Political battles are won at the polls. Lobbyists just draft the terms of surrender.Report
It is believed by many that Centrism is the ideology of people who feel a compulsion towards compromise.
I think the term “centrism”, in our current discourse, picks out the group of people and policies that aren’t ideologically absolutist, actually. So it doesn’t strike me as being defined as a compulsion or willingness to compromise, but more the absence of ideological extremism.
Adding: Emmanuel isn’t a centrist, he’s a combination of corrupt and incompetent.Report
“If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a moderate. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist.”
— Joseph SobranReport
And this is why I use “statist”. It cuts through the “noise” of sides and clearly reveals that there is no real difference between the two “sides”.
“If you want government to intervene domestically, you’re a statist. If you want government to intervene overseas, you’re a statist. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you’re a statist. If you don’t want government to intervene anywhere, you’re an extremist.”Report
We’ve been over this before, but I believe the view of centrism is essentially a strawman.
Not only does it assume that party-level politics are determinative, but there is an underlying presumption that parties are even relevant; when, in fact, they are not in much of politics.
For example, say I work for a lobbying firm, and there is a client, a collection of local retail grocers, whose account I am working.
Is this politics?
Is this conservative or liberal? Republican or Democrat?
Secondly, the insistence that there are only two ways of viewing the world is a false dichotomy.
Frankly, I find it somewhat disturbing that no one among this group has called you out on that point by now.
We can say that “Everything si made of either wood or stone,” and then struggle to fit everything into those two just as well.Report