Liberal First Principles
Look, I think the important question remains whether or not Kaus’s work is to the benefit of the liberal cause or not. To me, the answer is “usually not.” But that’s an argument about policy and strategy, not nomenclature.
I think Freddie is half-right. Right that the central question is not whether M.Kaus should or shouldn’t be labeled a liberal (Freddie himself admits that was an error on his part) but an individual’s role in the liberal cause. But wrong I think insofar as he (Freddie) thinks that the bone of contention within the cause is one of policy and strategy.
I think rather it is a question of first principles and primary commitments.
Freddie admires the various brands of reformist conservatisms (Mssrs. Douthat, Salam, Larison, Dreher, Poulos, Schwenkler, et. al), seeing in them a pride in their own tradtion. For neoliberals (with Kaus as the emblematic incarnation of that tendency in Freddie’s mind) it is in Freddie’s mind rather the opposite:
Reformist conservatives tend to say “we are the real keepers of the tradition.” Neoliberals, meanwhile, tend to define themselves by how distant they are from traditional American liberalism.
Everything then resides on how one understands “traditional American liberalism”. I think Freddie is bypassing this main artery of political philosophy in favor of the capillaries of policy and strategy. Policy and strategy are second-order to the question of commitments and vision or outlook–they serve the vision.
The conservatives he mentions are not just (or I would say even primarily) focusing on the tradition but rather on a first principles argument–what conservatism should be all about. I think that he has some respect for their approach suggests a potential parallel for himself and like-minded folks. I think (along with Scott) that this first principles 21st century liberalism would be a prime spot for Freddie to take up blogging residence instead of say focusing more on policy-strategy (generally the provenance of the so-called netroots/liberal blogosphere).
Unlike Scott however, I don’t think the issue is that liberals tend to forward looking as opposed to backward looking. I’m not entirely sure how accurate such a stereotype really is. The Civil Rights Movement, The New Deal, The Marshall Plan, Kennan’s Containment Strategy, The Progressive Era, The Great Society, The Creation of The Liberal Internationalist Order–liberals are not lacking in their own history. Even if it’s forward-looking, it’s a constant them of forward-looking-ness.
Since we live in the ashes of the age of Reagan, as that corpse of a political vision, zombie-like hollowly walks and talks, because of its preminence for the last three decades (including the neoliberal interregnum of the 90s under Clinton) we tend to think of conservatism as the dominant political philosophy with the deep roots, the tradition, and the like.
But undoubtedly liberalism–for all its strengths and weaknesses–was the dominant political philosophy of the 20th century. Until that is the New Deal synthesis and coalition collapsed under Carter, ushering in the Reagan (counter?)revolution.
That synthesis was Big Labor-Big Gov’t AND Big Business. With the breakdown of the New Deal coalition (which even the Republicans who ruled during its dominance only moderated, see Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford), liberals through the 80s largely sided with Big Gov’t and Big Labor (increasingly government and service sector instead of big industrial) with Big Business largely going the way of the Republicans.
And here is where the neoliberals come in. They sought to re-admit the Big Business (now largely financial) to the Democratic Coalition. In my admittedly partial understanding of the mind of neoliberals they see themselves as reviving that core piece of traditional liberalism. I think they over-reached generally and lacked balance but that probably was a factor of being aligned against an unbalanced liberalism in the form of post 60s progressivism.
But for all of Mickey’s pro-business/anti-union talk, he is profoundly opposed to a core policy of neoliberalism and democratic-left generally: open borders. In that sense, I see Mickey (though more pro-free trade) more in line with Michael Lind’s critiques of progressivism–against the post 70s dominance of the Democratic Party by liberal interests groups (often racially-sexually-environmentally conceived) and white mass upper class technocrats (socially liberal, fiscally libertarian/conservative). I see Kaus as trying in his own (I think in some regards flawed way) to get back to the New Deal Coalition: Big Business and middle/working class populism. Again Kaus believes that income inequality is a done deal, contra Lind, but believes strongly in social equality.
Why would this reviving tendency in Kaus matter? Because, quoting Freddie once more:
The standard neoliberal attitude is that someone or some idea is serious precisely to the degree to which it represents a split from liberal orthodoxy. The goal should be to say “this idea is what’s best for liberalism.” Not to begin from the assumption ”this idea, by virtue of being too left-wing or liberal, isn’t what’s best for liberalism.”
But again which liberal orthodoxy? Which liberalism? Which is why I think first principles is the missing ingredient here. If the goal should be, as Freddie says, “what’s best for liberalism” then if someone is really convinced that the dominant group in liberalism is a parasitic upon true liberalism, then why shouldn’t Kaus argue “by virtue of being too left-wing, this isn’t what’s best for liberalism.” If say liberalism is a New Deal center-left liberalism as opposed to say progressivism. But that yet again gets back to the argument about what is the operative understanding of what constitutes liberalism.
Chris, as mentioned in the post, I don’t suppose the characterization I make to hold true 100% of the time. But as an orienting generalization, I don’t think it’s terribly off the mark. Certainly liberalism has a history to which it has a relationship, I’m not arguing some sort of a-historical view. Rather, I’m suggesting that the relationship of liberals to that history is much different than conservatives to their history precisely due to the first principles of modern liberalism. So looking for liberals to articulate their relationship to their traditions in the same way that conservatives do strikes me as strange.
I think, though, that we have larger fish on the line in terms of a discussion about the first pricnples of a twenty-first century liberalsim, at which I would love to take a stab with you, Freddie, and anyone else who would like to jump in.Report
Interesting post, Chris, but doesn’t this whole debate strike you as rather trivial? I mean, is Kaus’s self-identification really undermining liberalism from within? Personally, I’m inclined to think that the benefits of keeping a few heterodox thinkers around outweigh any downsides, but Kaus isn’t exactly a critical cog in the liberal political machine. If he was less abrasive, I doubt he’d draw a fraction of the amount of attention he attracts now.Report
Scott,
Re: liberals have a different relationship to their history than conservatives.
I don’t know, depends on which liberals. One of the things that always (and still does) struck me about Obama was his sense of the historical arc of liberalism and how he connected that to a kind of liberal patriotism and the larger American story. I think if Freddie is looking for a kind of pride in that tradition, Obama’s is the guy to follow.
I think rather than a different relationship to their history, I find on occasion liberals not really knowing their history. Maybe that supports your generalization. That they don’t know the history bc of their different relationship to it.Report
Will,
I think the question about whether Mickey is really a liberal or not is pretty meaningless. I’m not a self-identified liberal (I’m not a self-identified anything really politically speaking) so I don’t have the same identity-emotional resonances that Freddie does around the issue (given it’s his tribe) and therefore am not particularly attracted to or repelled by the talk about “pride” in liberalism.
But I do think it does (or at least can) touch on the issue of the first principles discussion–however imperfectly that was what I tried to communicate in this post–vis a vis liberalism and that to me is very interesting.
My sense like in Freddie’s post is that liberals tend to jump to policy and strategy (Ryan Avent, M. Yglesias, E. Klein being probably the best and smartest examples of that trend) but not have this more philosophical first principles discussion. While I don’t always agree with their views, I like the heterodox conservative writers because they do broach that topic. I like that they bring onto the front burner if I don’t always support their views. Does that make sense? I think that is something liberals could learn from reading those guys. It would be interesting to me see a similar kind of conversation occur more often on the left.Report
Chris –
I think there were big, messy debates over the first principles of liberalism in the 1980s and the early 2000s, when conservatism seemed ascendant and liberals had to go back to the drawing board. I tend to think that those discussions only take place when a party is down and out.
That said, I also think the nature of the fusionist project means that first principle debates are simply more important to conservatives than they are to liberals. Some self-identified Republicans would describe themselves as modern heirs to the liberal tradition, while others are staunch traditionalists. The Democrats, on the other hand, don’t have a major philosophical fault line running through their intellectual history. A few academics have developed communitarian and postmodern critiques of modern, technocratic liberalism, but this takes place at the movement’s fringes. The divide between cultural and fiscal conservatives, on the other hand, is always front-and-center.Report
Will,
Interesting points. I think the fault lines in worldwide liberalism are much stronger than you suggest–but you may be right about US liberalism.
I also think you are right that these first principle discussions generally happen during a time of political wilderness for the group involved. This discussion may need to be more upfront though now for liberals especially if the stimulus/bailout thing doesn’t really fly. Obama ran against Clintonism (rhetorically) but has now filed himself with Clintonian types and is a little more left version of a New Democrat seems to me. If that doesn’t work, they could be in for some serious problems.
I’ll have to think more about your fusionist point, but it strikes me that there is a weird disconnect forming (see Matt Bai’s The Argument) between the increasingly homogenized Democratic Federal Congress and the voter base. Those fractures were held together undoubtedly by the glue of anti-Bushism. But that can’t hold forever. I think a more fusionist-first principle MO would be a help over the tendency towards interest group-ism on the left. But that just might be my idiosyncratic musings.Report
Chris –
I think there are real fault lines developing within the democratic coalition, and I think you’re right to point to the emerging divide between democratic voters and their policy-making proxies. But I think the party rank and file basically agree with their leadership about what constitutes a good society – egalitarianism, tolerance, economic opportunity etc. – the really disagreements arise only when the discussion turns to means (this, I think, is the fundamental difference between neoliberals and progressives).
With conservatives, on the other hand, social traditionalists and fiscal conservatives have vastly different political worldviews. I don’t think this forecloses the possibility of tactical collaboration, but I do think it makes conservative debates over first principles a lot messier and a lot more important than comparable debates on the progressive end of the spectrum.Report