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            1. Attica
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              Not to mention, Gitmo got it’s reputation in the last decade. The ones I mentioned have had reputations for decades, some dating back to Prohibition.Report

              1. Florence ADX. Who needs reputation when you have the goods. Look up current inmates. Do you hear Coloradans shaking in their boots? Not I.Report

        1. And that makes you love it? I recognize the need for prisons. But I don’t love them. I’d rather they not existed because I’d rather we not have a need for them. But I accept them as a necessity. That is far different from loving them.

          This seems a perfect example of the reactionary right sticking their thumb in peoples eyes. “Some liberals hate Gitmo? Fuck them. I fuckin’ love it!”Report

          1. No, I don’t advocate keeping folks that are innocent or don’t pose a threat. I don’t advocate releasing folks that maybe guilty or do pose a threat just for publicity stunts, attempts to buy goodwill or other silly reasons, either.Report

            1. And, again, that makes you love a place that has also been the home of so many horrible things? So much that your response to my post is to say you’re going to go out and by a couple of your own such bumper stickers?

              Or are you, as I suspect, just sticking your thumb in people’s eyes because GODDAMNIT you’re just not going to let those commie Dems have their day?Report

              1. I should add, this is what’s wrong because all we know about many of them is that they “may be” guilty. We have no way of finding out, because they will likely never go to trial… at least not any kind of trial we’ll have access to (or which respects their right to defend themselves).Report

              2. I read that and I find myself wishing that we had the students at CU that we used to have.

                Kids these days are all silent protests and getting pepper sprayed anymore.

                When *I* was in college, they would have made some mayhem, I tell you what.Report

          1. Why do we want to close Gitmo, again?

            If it’s because we don’t want to have a site where we imprison people who have broken no laws for their entire lives, I’d say that moving it to Illinois would, in fact, not give us what we want.

            If it’s just because it’s in Cuba, well… I fail to see why Gitmo is that big of a deal. Is it Castro? He had a stroke, I understand.Report

            1. I oppose detaining folks without cause. Whether it is here or Cuba or the moon matters little to me. If these folks are guilty of something, a criminal case, military tribunal, or hearing in an international forum should follow. If not, they should be released back to their home country. If we think they are guilty, the onus is on us to prove or release. That is my take, at least.

              How would we respind if the roles were reversed? Fuck, man, how nuts did people go over Amanda Knox?Report

              1. Oh. Sure. I didn’t follow the entire thread. “Close” and “move” are very different if “move” isn’t accompanied by “and then do X, Y, and Z.”Report

            2. Why do we want to close Gitmo, again?

              Because, being outside the US, it’s not under the juridiction of civil law. That allows people to be detained indefinitely without trial or any access to the courts.Report

              1. Well, isn’t that sort of exactly the point? Under what authority are we holding them?

                Seriously, what exactly are you arguing here? Right now, the US Government is holding foreign nationals against their will and have given zero evidence as to the cause for doing so. That is wrong. If you think it’s right, please make a positive case.Report

              2. That’d be an interesting thing to find out, right? How does the criminal justice system typically treat non-citizens? Of course, this isn’t apples to apples because thr Gitmo guys were brought here, presumably against their will (assuming they are moved stateside).Report

  1. do you guys have the “terrorist hunting license” stickers out in ‘merica? because i still see one here in ny every so often and they baffle my socks right the hell off.Report

    1. It’s basically a “you come here to stir up some shit, I’m going to shut you down, hard” comment.
      *shrugs* jingoistic, but not terribly baffling.
      Don’t see them out my way, but then again, I’m in Appalachia…Report

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