Hipster Conservatism
Prelude: I’ve been mulling over something like this post for years, mostly because of arguments with the original Post-Modern Conservative himself, James Poulos. I wrestled some of it into place a few months back, and finally decided to put it up after reading the Acculturated Symposium on conservatism and pop culture.
Let’s get one thing out of the way: I am under no illusions about my coolness. None. I got married in my 20s. I have a child. I’m one dissertation chapter away from completing a PhD in political philosophy. I listen to (more or less) the same music I listened to five years ago (unironically). Most of the books I read come from the Western philosophical and literary canons. I think it’s the height of wit to repeatedly quote overused lines from The Big Lebowski. I am a better-than-average oboist. I own several pairs of pleated pants, and one pair of pleated shorts.
It would, in sum, take much more than a whetstone to get me anywhere near cutting edge. Clear? Great.
BUT, despite my own hopeless unhipness, I still know this: by almost any standard measure, I am considerably cooler than most American conservatives. By far. Their most culturally exciting major figure is Ron Paul—a 77 year-old grandfather with shaky right-wing credentials.
See, when I’m at a party—stroller parked in the corner, diaper bag on my shoulder—and someone mentions their same-sex partner, I don’t bat an eye. I’m totally untroubled. When a couple walks up and, casual-like, makes it clear that they’re living together out of wedlock, I’m more likely to go for high-fives than scoldings. I’m not the coolest, but I’m hip enough that their lives don’t faze me. If I’m not cool, at least my cultural convictions don’t completely rule out the possibility of occasionally stumbling into it. Call it “the effortless coolness of a progressive dork.”
The American Right, meanwhile, is still working out whether bigotry is cool or not. They’re undecided, in general, about whether sex is shameful. Same goes for ethnic and cultural diversity. Etc.[i]
This is basic stuff. Conservatism has long been uneasy about Hollywood, New York City (its residents, if not its kitsch), trendy music from Buddy Holly to Lady Gaga, culinary cosmopolitanism, artistic radicalism, and so on and so forth. You can organize a hyper-popular concert (or two, or three, or a dozen) to support foreign aid expenditures, public spending on disease prevention, marriage equality, more vigorous responses to climate change, and plenty of other left-wing causes. Very few unequivocally conservative goals can serve that purpose.
Very few conservatives really understand this, but almost all implicitly acknowledge it. Their options, unfortunately, are pretty limited. I can discern at least three groupings amongst the Right’s responses: 1) The Cognitive Dissonants, 2) Stodgy-Cons, and 3) Post-Modern Conservatives.
1) The Cognitive Dissonants are defined by their hypocrisy. They dismiss serious concerns about racial marginalization and urban poverty while bumping the rawest hip-hop anthems born of that very exclusion. When I was young, these conservatives spent their nights with Tupac’s “I Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto”—only to spend their days in class attributing African-American poverty to laziness. Today, they’re often monogamy’s staunchest defenders all week long—and enthusiastically promiscuous all weekend.
These conservatives are terribly frustrating. They enjoy living the cool, uninhibited life, but their public convictions threaten to vilify others for doing the same—or to exclude others altogether. They are privilege and entitlement and personal incoherence incarnate. Hence slut shaming. In the club, promiscuity is as good for the goose as it is for the gander, but we can’t let women feel that way the next morning. Hence illicit, elite drug use. When rich white college kids buy weed, it’s cool and hip and proof of their connection to cultural touchstones from Bob Marley to The Chronic. When poor Latinos bringing that weed into the country are arrested for various crimes, that’s proof that Latin America has serious problems that should be walled off from the United States via immigration policy.
2) Other conservatives miss the point entirely. They argue something along the lines of “cool is in the eyes of the beholder—so long as the beholder is a nostalgic middle-aged guy.” Call them the Stodgy-Cons.
“Get your Dubstep and your ‘the Twitter’ off my lawn!” they yell. “You think that’s cool? Hell no! Cool is doo-wop sock hops and the traditional liturgy! Cool is going steady with your best girl for two years before moving in for that first kiss—and engagement ring—at the prom! Cool is running freaks and weirdos out of town!”[ii]
And sure, you can almost make anything cool simply by willing it to be so,[iii] but no one’s about to mistake Andrew Lloyd Webber for André 3000. There’s a certain evanescence about coolness. Almost every high schooler knows that you can’t get it simply by wanting really badly to be it.
Thing is, Stodgy-Cons (at least those who bother to fight) are fighting for the wrong adjective. Coolness, whatever else it is, usually leans into transgressiveness. It pushes the envelope. Stodgy-Cons confuse cool with “good” or “right” or “responsible.” It might indeed be better for your health to abstain from alcohol during college—but that doesn’t make it cool. It might be more responsible to abstain from sex until marriage—but cool? Really? Abstinent living doesn’t scream out “I am awesome’s pinnacle!”
For an example of Stodgy-Conservatism at its worst, check out this article from Rep. Thad McCotter. Here’s a sampling:
Yes, it seems that in these abysmal days of a culturally triumphant Left, the idea that conservatism was once hip is as hard to imagine as 4% unemployment rates and the Flock of Seagulls selling records. But, alas, ’tis true…In the 1980’s, the Left viewed the septuagenarian Ronald Wilson Reagan (aka, “The Amiable Dunce”) as a former B-movie actor/Governor, unlicensed chimp handler, corporate shill and political reactionary, who conspired to foist his right-wing animadversions upon an unsuspecting America. In this vile undertaking, he was abetted by a horde of pinstriped, Rock-n-Roll Reaganites (aka, “Yuppies”), who knew that the Ramones weren’t an Italian splinter-party; that this Blondie wasn’t Dagwood’s wife; that Some Girls wasn’t written by Jane Austen; and that America was kick ass.
McCotter’s thesis, in sum: today’s GOP isn’t cool, but the “Rock-n-Roll Reaganites” were. If you lived through the 1980s, you know that Reagan’s blue blazer brigade was hardly competing with Madonna, MTV, and miniskirts. Reagan was a successful politician, sure, but it’s ludicrous to confuse him with cool—remember his fundamental misunderstanding of Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the USA?[iv]
3) Finally, we come to Poulos and the Post-Modern Conservatives. They’re the savviest of the bunch. This crowd can’t stand being culturally marginalized. Many live in plural liberal enclaves—places where the official conservative lines on homosexuality, urban poverty, public transit contraception use, gender roles, etc are as socially marginalizing as they are empirically dubious.
Want to bring a conversation to a screeching halt at a party in San Francisco (or Brooklyn, or Austin, or Chicago, etc)? Tell your gay host that you wish his partner serving in Kabul would just pipe down about “his husband back in the States.” Or, alternatively, use the hummus as an opportunity to warn your tablemates about the incessant creeping of Sharia law. Switch the set from “National Pravda Radio” to Rush when no one’s looking. Joke about “the language of the ghetto.” Try that sort of stuff and you’ll soon be living a conservative “dream”: you’ll be completely left alone.
As a result, the Post-Modern Conservative badly wants to be out front with the cultural vanguardists. They’re often libertarians, since that helps them escape stodgy cultural hang-ups. Honest libertarians don’t want government proscribing or prescribing their drugs, sex, or rock-n-roll. Libertarians are conservative on questions of economic policy, the scope of government, and much more. They’re usually uninterested in the sort of deeply uncool bigotry that marginalizes most conservatives.
They’re onto something. They realized that a conservatism shackled to Santorum-style cultural nostalgia or (even worse) Lost Cause Confederate racism is politically doomed. Whatever is wrong with the progressive view of history, the broad American trendlines all generally lean towards greater cultural tolerance. We start with a political community of rich, white, (mostly) Christian men—and slowly lower class, racial, and sexual barriers to political participation. Same thing goes for culture: Americans start with a community that institutionalizes various Puritan mores (in theory if not in practice)—and slowly relaxes. Have there been delays and retrenchments and countermoves? Of course. The bigger point stands, though: conservatives are newly wary about bashing same-sex marriages because they know that public opinion’s leaving them in the dust.
The problem for the Po-Mo-Cons is that they can’t abandon Santorum’s Wheelhouse (which would be a great name for a conservative indie band) without going Wile E. Coyote. One minute, they’re humming along, deconstructing Coolidge speeches and appropriating Hunter S. Thompson to show how conservatism has always been about cool, hip libertinism, and BOOM, all of a sudden Culture 11 is offline and penniless. All of a sudden they’ve run all the way off the cliff into the libertarian or liberaltarian or liberal or (gasp?) leftist air—never to return. Run far enough from conservatism’s core, and there’s no institutional there there. The Republican Party has done its damnedest to sustain brand purity—which is both a rhetorical strength and an intellectual anchor. Ideological discipline comes with costs and benefits, and it turns out that a coolness deficit is among the former.
Here’s a theory for dissection in the comments, then: the benefits of ideological discipline are political, whereas its costs are cultural. Whereas it behooves rhetoricians to build snappy, compelling rhetorical arguments for their platforms, such rigidity is kryptonite for the cultural cutting edge. Perhaps (and only perhaps) that’s because coolness relies heavily upon emotions—especially inchoate, unspecific ones. And hey, no one does amorphous and emotional platforms like the Left.
Update: Here, by the way, is another piece I wrote about this problem—more philosophy, fewer jokes, and (maybe?) better for you.
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[i] I’m painting with a broad brush here, I know. It should go without saying that the various exceptions to the variously uncool conservative positions usually prove the rule. Show me a right-wing figure who’s escaped some of his or her team’s most heinously stodgy positions, and I’ll show you a dozen Santorum acolytes.
[ii] “Cool is Bob Dylan—his evangelical stuff! Cool is feeling guilty about sex! Cool is football before the forward pass—and the forward ‘pansies’ who rely on it! Cool is saving for your retirement! Cool is xenophobia!”
[iii] Insert Billy Madison pants-peeing joke of your choice.
[iv] “Oh yeah? Well, Thad McCotter plays the guitar!” Yes. Yes he does. So does Raffi.
Interesting how this is not similar on the left. I mean, there are ardent polyamorists or whatever, but they are SERIOUSLY fringe. The dividing line on the left between true believers and left-leaners seems solely political rather than cultural. How did the left get away with that?Report
The left figured out the truth in LBJ’s assessment of J. Edgar Hoover, to wit:
It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.
So they generalized it. There are some fringe loonies in the Democratic Party, you’ll find the ardent polyamorists, you’ll find the PETA types. But unlike the Republicans, the lunatics aren’t running the asylum. The PETA types make nuisances of themselves every once in a while, but the party platform doesn’t have a “meat is murder” platform. The polyamorists are (nominally) content to have the freedom to do as they choose without being hunted down and stoned to death by raging conservatives.
Around here? In one breath Tom Van Dyke is insisting that talk radio hosts don’t represent “real” conservatism, in the next he’s repeating talk radio talking points while Scott’s busy ranting and raving incoherently about “Barry.” I tried and tried and tried and couldn’t get a straight answer out of him as to how many or what level – talk radio host? national talk radio host? Number of followers? Speaker of the house? Majority whip? Minority leader of Senate? Governors? Official state GOP platforms? – it would take for a particular point to represent the mainstream of either the GOP or conservatism.
51% of the GOP are Birther A-category who “do not believe Obama was born in America”; another 21% are Birther B-category “I’m not sure and why didn’t he just release the birth certificate” (note: he did, over and over again) Birthers. That’s 72% of the GOP that will admit to a pollster that they are Birthers.
When Romney uses the phrase “Keep America American” in his stump speeches, he’s not just whistling Dixie – he’s whistling to the anti-Muslim bigots, to the racial bigots, to the “deport them all” crowd. And he’s also making an undeniable insistence that President Obama is “not a real American”, another of those commonly repeated phrases (right along “Kenyan” and “Marxist”) that is repeated far too often by hosts and callers alike on right wing talk radio.Report
There are some fringe loonies in the Democratic Party, you’ll find the ardent polyamorists
Well, there are some cultural conservatives on the left, clearly.
By the way, “ardent polyamorism” is all the rage among the early-20s hipster set these days.Report
On the other side… this.Report
Dude, it must be hard being as rigid as you are. I’m almost tempted to say that you are, in the end, pretty much identical to your favorite League villain.Report
Are the 20-somethings doing ardent polyamorism as a permanent lifestyle choice, or a temporary sowing of wild oats?Report
Who knows? I imagine it’s more of the latter than the former, but it’s much more common now than it was when I was in my early 20s, that’s for sure. And it’s an entire little hipster subculture, at this point.Report
Rose, I’d hazard it’s because the cultural right has been pretty much unified for quite a long time. The cultural left has been fragmented pretty much from the get go (and it’s gotten even more fragmented with the death of communism).Report
Yeah, you’re right about the death of communism (and, for that matter, unions) leading to some fragmentation. But it’s not crazy fragmented. A Brooklynite or Upper West Sider has a lot in common with a Portland dweller. I bet both are environmental activists in some way or other, interested in food growing or at least the origins of their food, eager to seek out multi-culti experiences, do not spank their kids, etc. etc.Report
I think you’re right: the fragmentation of the American left has been greatly exaggerated, as has the unity of the American right. A two party system means coalitions of fairly diverse groups, so there’s going to be some fragmentation, but hell, we’re all growing up, living, working, and watching TV in (broadly) the same place.Report
The fact remains the American right has enough unity of purpose to flat out control one of the two national parties. The American left’s control of the Dems amounts to indirect influence through fund raising and voter enthusiasm. I’m drawing a blank trying to think of left wing figures who every Dem politician has to kiss the ring of. The right has Grover, Rush, Zombie Regan etc…Report
Oh, I agree that the real left has no real influence on the Democratic party. I don’t think liberal = leftist, and I don’t think Democrat necessarily means liberal, though there are liberal Democrats. And the right does have a great deal of influence on the Republican party, though I think the American Right has a fringe element that doesn’t have much (or any) influence just like the American Left does (here I use left just to refer to whatever is on the other side of the American spectrum from the Right).Report
Okay fair enough, I can agree with that with the caveat that the left fringe that their own side rolls their eyes at and quietly shuffles off to the kiddy table is much broader than the right fringe that gets treated the same way by their own side.Report
I’m not sure what you mean by broader. On the right, you have the militia types, the conspiracy theory types (Alex Jones), the white nationalist types, the ultra-Randian types, hard core anti-abortion types, the hard core anti-gay types, and so on. These are not mutually exclusive groups, of course, but they are hardly coextensive either. On the left you have, what? Socialists, old schol Communists of various sorts, anarchists of various sorts, hard-core animal rights folks, hard-core environmentalists, hard core anti-globalization sorts, radical feminists, and so on. As with the groups on the right, these are not mutually exclusive or coextensive. I’m not sure I can make out one side to be broader than the other.
I spent much of my adult life in the hard core anti-war set, and I saw most of the left groups represented there. The diversity was largely in focus, rather than in general ideology.Report
I’d say that the right mainstream pays much more attention and is kinder to their right wing fringe (mostly because the right mainstream is closer to their fringe) than the left mainstream does to theirs.
So broader as in the right fringe is narrower because more of them are part of the right main-stream. You don’t see many radical commies, radical animal rights groups or radical feminists paid respectful lip service by the mainstream left.Report
What’s the difference between the “right mainstream” and the “right wing fringe” at this point?Report
how much koch is paying. 😉
/snarkReport
I’ll be honest, I don’t think most liberals know anything about the left, in America or elsewhere. How many of them can name one “radical feminist,” for example, or even know what makes a feminist “radical” in the first place? I doubt many. I think, at best, they have some conception of Green Peace and PETA, and aside from that, the “left” is a mysterious group that lives somewhere in the unexplored regions denoted on the map by dragons and other scary monsters. Hell, I’m not sure you know them other than to say, “There be dragons!”Report
Yep, and ignoring and being utterly uninterested and uninformed about some group is the nastiest thing you can do to em.Report
I’m not sure that deciding something is looney and fringe, and then ignoring it, without ever having actually heard anything about it, is really much of an insult. It’s mostly just sad.Report
Communism is a longlong way from dead in the world at large. Communism only arises as a reaction to feudalism, which is Not Dead Yet.Report
True, where you get feudal or capitalist abuses you get socialist or communist backlash absolutely but in the modern developed world there’s no large constituency either politically, socially or academically who actually thinks the communist system still stands as a plausible alternative to capitalism.Report
That’s correct. But that doesn’t imply such conditions can’t appear again when capitalism has concentrated enough power in the hands of the few. As the centre of mass rises in the structure of the Capitalist Tower of Babel, the tower becomes vulnerable to external forces in ways a more-distributed structure could withstand.
“While evils are sufferable”, don’t look for much change. But the cracks are appearing. If those cracks are small, they are structurally significant. Though they are not seen as Liberals in the modern sense of the word, the Tea Party does represent the re-emergence of Classical Liberal tradition.
Perhaps not a re-emergence, for Classical Liberalism never truly went away. It was attenuated by a false sense prosperity which arose in the era when Communism held sway over China and the Warsaw Pact, attenuating the differences between Conservatives and Liberals in the USA.
The politicians and the academics are deluded on this subject. The ghost of Marx is still out there in the shadows and poor men still read his works in translation. If Communism is not a plausible alternative, Capitalism can only hold out the equally-implausible dream of universal prosperity for so long in front of the workers’ horse before that horse is no longer motivated.Report
I think we agree Blaise. Communism arose in the first place because of the abuse of the elites. If, in its death, the capitalist elite unlearns the lessons that they learned and employed across the last century to defeat communism then something very communist could arise once again.
By classical liberal are you talking about the kind of government minimalist individual freedom liberalism that libertarians claim to mostly be informed by? If so then we agree there too since my own (uneducated) read on history was that in the west (and in America in particular) the rise of communism caused a very curious alliance of the conservative old guard and the classical liberals that informs much of the modern political spectrum to this day. In America especially it’s a strange thing that the party of cultural conservatism and authority frosts itself all over with libertarian slogans like a hooker covering herself with whip cream whenever it finds itself out of power.Report
Yes, exactly, with a few caveats. I have said before, however tiresomely I repeat myself, that the Libertarians suffer from the same delusion as the Marxists, that government ought to retreat and the private sector advance. And like the Marxists, when the need for government is demonstrated to them, grudgingly concede the smallest possible point, then return to their Individualist Idiocy.
Ayn Rand could not have arisen without the rise of Lenin and Stalin. Here, the Libertarians are equally squeamish about their intellectual roots, as the Marxists were about Lenin about the time Trotsky was driven out and eventually murdered. When confronted by their own lunatick forebears, the Libertarians will claim to have evolved beyond their embarrassing and spittle-flecked prophets, but continue to believe in their precepts, all the evidence of what mankind’s selfishness has produced to the contrary.
I have given up on the Libertarians. They are not entirely dishonest but they continue to live in the Cave of Plato. Their simplistic notions are too dear to them. And like the Marxists who fell prey to the totalitarian monsters within their ranks, I am darkly amused to see the Koch Brothers come a-huffing and a-puffing like the Wolf in the story of the Three Little Pigs. They will eventually find a brick house but it will not be that residence built of straw on Cato Acres.
The old guard of Conservatism is dying off. Ronald Reagan has been mummified and lies in state, exactly as Lenin’s pickled corpse lies in state in Moscow, periodically re-dressed in a new suit and the makeup reapplied. The faithful still line up to venerate him, yea even hereabouts, where a jovial beer-drinking Ronald Reagan adorns the lobby of one of our sub-blogs. It is easier to make museums and shrines than to make progress in this world of sin and error, where the best-laid plans are the least-likely to survive contact with the enemy, where truth and innocence are the first casualties of war.
The current generation of soi-disant Conservatives are nothing of the sort. As Communism morphed into Statism in China and Russia, it was transmogrified into fascism. In like manner, those old-guard Conservatives who are deluded enough to believe they can harness the Tea Party to their ends are as deluded as old Trotsky thinking he could outmaneuver Stalin in the wake of Lenin’s death.Report
Did I ever mention that I read and was utterly fascinated by your pieces on Trotsky? I did and was, just in case I didn’t mention it before.Report
As I was writing them, I entered a period of profound depression, to the point where I couldn’t continue the series. I should revisit the topic, for I left off where the story becomes interesting.Report
I would encourage you to do so unless you have reason to believe that they had any sort of causative connection to your depression.Report
Ecch, I’d just changed medications.
I know I periodically re-alienate everyone around here on a regular basis. I would not wish bipolar disorder on my worst enemy.Report
By fragmented I mean common priorities. On the right you have religion pretty much gluing a lot of the parts together. There’re a lot of religions, yes, but their basic assertions are generally compatible and they generally care about the same things so they can all pull together for the same cause through a network of quasi-religious bridging organizations (Focus on the Family and, well now, the GOP and RNC too). The political leadership on the right ignores their right wing at their own considerable peril.
On the left there’s some respect for the various different factions goals and desires but each parts priorities and desires are different and there’s not as much unified pulling (and some of the priorities conflict with each other). Which means the political leadership is pretty much free to focus on what they think polls well or what they personally care about (mainly reelection).Report
Here’s a theory for dissection in the comments, then: the benefits of ideological discipline are political, whereas its costs are cultural.
I suspect there’s something to it, though I think its application to the left-right distinction is a bit less straightforward than this post implies. The consensus among social and political psychologists is, at this point, that “openness to experience” is a personality trait associated with left-liberalism, it’s true, but this doesn’t quite line up with the quoted passage, because there is ideological discipline in parts of the left, specifically the far left (what I’d just call the actual left). And as anyone who’s spent time with people from the far left can tell you, you’ll find a lot of cultural rigidity there. So maybe there’s something to your idea here, it just doesn’t conveniently line up with the American political spectrum.Report
Yeah, in essence the right-conservatives have acquired themselves control of a national party. The left-liberals on the other hand haven’t (though they’d sorely love to). The Dems are quite a muddle of a party but they’re certainly not controlled by the left-liberals (they’d do a lot worse in electoral politics if they were I imagine).Report
I agree, though I suspect that you’ll find that there are about as many Democrats who aren’t exactly comfortable with their gay neighbors, and certainly aren’t comfortable with the thought that their son or daughter might end up being gay, as there are who are cool with all of that. And I also think you’ll find that the cool kids among the Democrats are, as often as not at least, on the left end of that party’s spectrum.Report
Well sure, but you’re not going to find many peeps anywhere who are comfortable with the prospect of their children being gay. Even allies or sympathetic people are aware that life is harder for people who are gay, why would you wish that on your kid?
As for cool kids, I quite disagree. The left wing of the party is treated as kind of embarrassing or naive. Can you name a national popular Dem or left wing figure who is to the left end of the left to center spectrum? Nationally I’d submit that the “cool kids” are pragmatic leftists who’re leftish, sure, but overarching practical (I’ll admit being biased since I consider myself left wing but predominantly practical).Report
Maybe you and I have a different definition of cool.Report
Probably, is there an objective cool is is coolness essentially subjective?Report
Dude, cool is cool.Report
Culture is always rigid, else it wouldn’t be culture.
There are always two sides to culture. There’s what the culture says it is, usually a litany of things every culture espouses, Mom, apple pie and the flag. Then there’s that second part: what the culture says it isn’t, always a lying litany of other cultures’ shortcomings.Report
Sat up last night in bed and watched a documentary on the great photographer of Modernist architecture, Julius Shulman. When Postmodern architecture came along, redolent with in-jokes and perverse quotations from everyone from Vitruvius to Holabird and Root, Less was a Bore. And Julius Shulman had to wait it out, hating all of it. Eventually the world would return to Modernism, this time with better materials to support those clean, improbable, daring lines and planes.
Today’s PoMoCons are in the same boat as all those wretched PoMo architects of the 80s. In their search for ties to the past, they sorta forget the present. Look at Red Eye on Fox, all snark, no bite.
Ann Coulter is the ultimate PoMoCon: though she’s a bit frayed at the cuffs and her schtick grown old out of memory, here and there, through the loose threads and the smudged clown paint, we can see someone who doesn’t believe any of this vicious crap any more. She might as well fly to Milwaukee and register her face at Clown Hall of Fame. Truth is, Ann Coulter is a genuinely nice person.
So let’s not beat up the PoMoCon with too much harshness nor call them hypocrites. A few Nerf darts will do fine. There’s one truth about Postmodern Anything: it’s a critique, pure and simple. It has no point to make. If hypocrisy is the homage virtue pays to vice, postmodernism is the homage vice pays to virtue.Report
“Truth is, Ann Coulter is a genuinely nice person.”
Over the past few months, there have been a number of comments of this flavor: “X is a genuinely nice person, even though they play a frothing-at-the-mouth mean-spirited intolerant lunatic in their professional conservative capacity.” This seems to me to be a significant weakness for today’s “movement” conservatism — you can’t be both a conservative and a nice person.Report
Also, a sane person. I agree that this is a real problem. One with longer-ranging implications than might appear at first glance.Report
“I’m really tired of the same old shtick, but it’s like Julius Caesar. I’ll get stabbed in the back if I cross the rubes I con.’Report
In addition to all else, you’ve just reminded me how much perplexity T.S. Eliot — “the last poet to wear spats” — ought to cause. He was decidedly unhip and uncool — and decidedly on the avant-garde. (By comparison, Yeats was a kind of romantic-turned-toward-authoritarianism, not a “conservative”; Pound was decidedly “hip” and really didn’t care about standards of personal behavior.) So, in a way, maybe Eliot — if anyone — is the better ideal for conservatives who don’t want to resign themselves to Sinatra and sock-hops.
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I went to a high school effectively populated by group (1). I can still remember how delighted I was to realize, at one point, that with the exception of a handful of genuinely believing Christians, the (even smaller) handful of liberals were leading the most conservative personal lives. Ah, high school… you couldn’t pay me to go back… (Well, in reality, it depends on how much we’re talking about…)Report
Eliot was a conservative’s conservative and a monarchist to boot. There is no more ardent zealot than the convert. His mentor, Ezra Pound was that worst of poets: the Broken Preacher Type. At least the Rebel Without a Cause knows he’s got no cause and goes in search of one. Pound’s entire life was an eloquent rejection of any such search.Report
For three years, out of key with his time,
He strove to resuscitate the dead art
Of poetry; to maintain “the sublime”
In the old sense. Wrong from the start—
No hardly, but, seeing he had been born
In a half savage country, out of date;
Bent resolutely on wringing lilies from the acorn;
Capaneus; trout for factitious bait;
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Caught in the unstopped ear;
Giving the rocks small lee-way
The chopped seas held him, therefore, that year.
His true Penelope was Flaubert,
He fished by obstinate isles;
Observed the elegance of Circe’s hair
Rather than the mottoes on sun-dials.
Unaffected by “the march of events,”
He passed from men’s memory in l’an trentiesme
De son eage; the case presents
No adjunct to the Muses’ diadem.Report
The Greek didn’t come through. I’ll do my own bit here:
idmen gar toi panth, hos eni troie : a bit of Homer there.
But when we were as far distant as a man can make himself heard when he shouts, driving swiftly on our way, the Sirens failed not to note the swift ship as it drew near, and they raised their clear-toned song: `Come hither, as thou farest, renowned Odysseus, great glory of the Achaeans; stay thy ship that thou mayest listen to the voice of us two. For never yet has any man rowed past this isle in his black ship until he has heard the sweet voice from our lips. Nay, he has joy of it, and goes his way a wiser man. For we know all the toils that in wide Troy the Argives and Trojans endured through the will of the gods, and we know all things that come to pass upon the fruitful earth.’Report
The problem with the American right is that it needs a mechanism for de-demonizing.
Look, I’d love it if conservatives just said a few years hence, “Hey, we were wrong about gay marriage. We’re sorry. We screwed up. Can we, like, be friends?”
If they did, I’d make some effort to forgive them. But that’s not what they’re going to do.
Nope! They’re going to ride the remaining anti-gay sentiment to every last electoral victory that they can. And then, when the well dries up, and when blatantly attacking my family doesn’t win them any more elections, they’re going to dog whistle the hell out of the issue, just to make sure that the bigots still turn out. And in the hopes that no one else will notice.
How do I know? Because it’s exactly how they’ve treated black civil rights. If they had a way to de-demonize stuff, they should start right there. But they haven’t found one yet.Report
Given that much of the social conservative agenda is predicated on a religion that puts such a premium on repentance, you’d think there’d be a mechanism for this.Report
Heh. Dr. Saunders, this repentance business only serves as a mechanism for further hypocrisy. Confronted by the seemingly insurmountable dichotomy between the high-minded ideals of what’s said and the bloody consequences of what’s done, this Faux Repentance is a psychic reset mechanism, Cheap Salvation.
This explains why so many GOPers are Born Agains. No matter how serious the crime or the social approbation which arises from it, there is always Pardon from On High and a New Life in Politics to follow.Report
If the way conservatives handled black civil rights is a model, I look forward to hearing how liberals are the real homophobes a few years down the road.Report
That you would question my homophobia makes you the real hater of diversity, Rose, and that makes you homophobic.
Why won’t the lame stream media explain this to people?Report
And they’re going to claim that Harvey Milk was one of them. After all, his issues were small businesses and neighborhoods, not marriage and adoption.Report
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And that the Stonewall Rebellion was an early incarnation of the Tea Party, protestin’ gummint regulation of business.Report
You people are killing me. But I look forward to it arriving because it’ll mean we’ll have won.Report
Of course, they’ll tie Stonewall in with that guy, because they’ll still be Confederate apologists.Report
And they’ll still be flogging Lee’s old war horse, at least until the money dries up.
You all realize there’s money in this, right? As in, dates back to the civil war money?Report
“I’d love it if conservatives just said a few years hence, “Hey, we were wrong about gay marriage. We’re sorry. We screwed up. Can we, like, be friends?” ”
And here in this comments thread we see how even if they did that, they’d be called hypocrites on one hand and political opportunists on the other, so why bother? No matter what you do you’re wrong, so you might as well stick to what you wanted right from the start.Report
First of all, seriously? “Why bother”? Is one only not racist or homophobic because one wants to make the right impression? Is there not a moral reason not to be racist or homophobic, even if one were wrongly labeled opportunistic or hypocritical?
And secondly, what you say is not true. I understand that there exist conservatives who repudiate conservatives’ initial slowness to recognize the seriousness of civil rights without demonizing the left. That is neither hypocritical nor opportunistic. There are plenty of public voices on the right, however, who insist that the left are really more racist. That is what is hypocritical.Report
they’d be called hypocrites on one hand and political opportunists on the other, so why bother?
Doesn’t this claim presuppose that the only reason a person would make an apology is to look a certain way in other people’s eyes? Couldn’t it just be an honest expression of how they actually feel?Report
It is fucking hilarious that I say “why bother changing, you’ll say we’re changing just so we look good” and two people instantly reply “you’re really saying that the only reason you’d change is just so you look good?”Report
Well, that’s pretty much what you said DD. If the apology will only be used against that person, then why bother?
Is there another way to interpret it?Report
Ahh, just re-read. Neither Rose or I said “why bother changing …”. You in fact didn’t say “why bother changing …”. You said ‘why bother apologizing…’
That’s what we’re objecting to.Report
I must admit I’m missing the hilarity. I take “Why bother doing X, because if X then Y” to mean that Y is a reason not to do X. “Why bother doing X” more generally means there is not good enough reason to overcome associated costs in order to do X. Do I misunderstand the term?Report
Hypocrisy is a word used exclusively by those who have no intention of doing any good in the world — of those who are trying to do some good.
It is pointless to say the Modern Conservative is a hypocrite, for he is no longer a Conservative. Once, you see, long ago, back when manly men bestrode the world, Conservatives understood their mission, to preserve what was good in the world and test all things new and Liberal, to see if they made sense in the long view of things, where stability and reason and honesty were the highest of virtues. Those Conservatives were willing enough to modify their views in the light of progress, for they did believe in improving the world. To this end, they instituted the Senate, where the long view of six year tenures would attenuate and ratify the works of the two-year tenured House of Representatives, blown by every passing fancy.
Where are today’s Conservatives? Where’s the long view any more? A Conservative believes in the paramount powers of government to provide stability and thus encourage progress. Not any more they don’t. They have never apologised for their connivance and whoring about with bigots and moneyed interests, they assiduously court them to this day. No longer the defenders of the virtues of thrift and perseverance, the resolute defenders of laws and regulations, written in blood, most of them, they cannot tear them down fast enough.
Of course today’s Conservatives will never apologise for the sins of their past. We can’t even get Augustine’s prayer “Give me chastity and continence, but not yet.” What is the bloody point of condemning them for their hypocrisies any more? They can’t even quit booing gay soldiers.Report
What did they want right from the start? The closet, at best, a battle they’ve lost that battle so completely that it boggles the mind.Report
Incidentally, conservative victimhood continues to look ridiculous. “Oh, we’d be nice to gays, but liberals wouldn’t think we were being serious about it and would probably say mean things to us at dinner parties, so we’ll just continue to advocate for second class citizenship for gays instead, which is all we ever really wanted in the first place.”Report
I am always amused by the Modern Conservatives’ appeal to alienation and past glories. The fascists were past masters of this line of rhetoric. The fascists had no place for gays as history shows. They got to wear the Pink Triangle and were exterminated along with those who got to wear the Yellow Star.Report
No, we’re predicting that, rather than apologize, they’ll claim they were on the right side all along, unlike those filthy liberals who are the real homophobes, and in addition continue to milk dislike of gays for every vote it can get them. Doing the right thing would make us look foolish (in addition to being the right thing to do.)Report
Coolness, whatever else it is, usually leans into transgressiveness.
I don’t know how much more analysis you need than this. “Cool” is about transgressing the status quo, which is anathema to conservatism. To simultaneously transgress and defend cultural norms invites the cognitive dissonance you discuss in category 1 above. There may be many wonderful attributes of conservatism (not necessarily by my lights, but plausibly), but it’s a fool’s errand for them to pursue “coolness.” Does the world really need another iteration of Stryper?
(Not that I’m any expert, mind you. I may have been briefly cool for a few 20-minute bursts during the 90s, but moving to New York City pretty much obliterated any sense I might have that I am cool. See also how weary Vegas made me in a mere 48 hours.)
(I also love that Andre 3000 is your benchmark of cool, given that I’d bet a good number of Today’s Young People have already forgotten who he is.)Report
How many cool points does Andre 3000 lose for doing razor commercials?Report
Is it still uncool to sell out? Or is it extra cool?Report
It’s cool to sell out. You just have to admit that you’re doing it, and then blow your brains out later.
This is why I’m hugely unimpressed with coolness.Report
Here’s an interesting question:
If Steve Guttenberg had died young of an overdose – say, right after he made Cocoon – would he be a icon of cool today? Would people look at movies like 3 Men and a Little Lady and say, “Man, that’s what’s wrong with Hollywood today. It’s just a bunch of commercial sellouts. All the good ones like Steve Guttenberg are gone.”Report
Well, if it was right after he made Cocoon, that would have spared us Three Men and a Baby, etc. But he still would have survived to make Police Academy 2, so the answer is “no.”Report
John Belushi made 1941.Report
Fair enough. But he also did plenty of other stuff that (many people thought) was awesome. (I am not the biggest Belushi fan, but understand myself to be in the minority on this one.)
The best one can say about Steve Guttenberg (who, in full disclosure, I actually thought was kinda cute way back when I was still Just Beginning to Realize Things) is that he did not louse up a movie starring a bunch of much more talented older actors, and was not bad in a horribly dated ensemble comedy. And that does not a legend make, I’m afraid.Report
This is my impression of Guttenberg as well. He was a reliable but unexceptional performer, and either had a great agent/management team or an excellent knack for picking very successful franchises during the 1980s. When he came back after a five-year hiatus, it appears that he attempted to replicate that success, but by that point, tastes had changed, and none of his subsequent efforts were quite so successful.Report
Well actually Steven Speilberg directed and Roger Zemekis wrote 1941. Not a bad pedigree for a movie. It wasn’t , what we movie geeky guys call a “good” movie but still. I also have to admit i’ve always thought Nancy Allen was hot and especially when i was young and Christopher Lee was in the movie which automaticlly makes it cool.Report
It’s cool to sell out, so long as when you celebrate the stuff you got fron selling out you’re all ironic.Report
Just about all of them, I’m afraid.
My bemused near-admiration of Gillette for using Mr. 3000, along with Gael Garcia Bernal and Adrien Brody is, sadly, outweighed by the impossible smugness of those ads, along with the reality that I have no desire to look like any of them.Report
I do wish I could get my goatee that straight and precise.Report
Precision grooming just creeps me out.
“Go for the Rasputin”, that’s my motto.Report
It’s good to know a man who lives his convictions.Report
Can one be cool and not know who Mr. 3000 or Gail Garcia Bernal are? I know who Adrien Brody is because he can act and has shown up in mostly better than average movies, but the other two draw a huge blank.Report
Can one be cool and not know who Mr. 3000 or Gail Garcia Bernal are?
No.Report
But is coolness all that transgressive? From my outsider’s perspective cool just seems like rigid conformity to a different set of norms.Report
That might not make you cool, JamesK, but per Mr. Kain’s sage observation, it makes you hip.Report
Really? How disappointing.Report
It’s possible to be transgressive and rigidly conforming at the same time. This is true of many sub and countercultures (bikers, say).Report
Can we continue to play the “Cool is…” game in a thread somewhere? “Cool is modern corporate country music!” “Cool is contestants on American Idol!” “Cool is a nice pair of slacks with neatly pressed shirt!”Report
“Is that a real poncho or a Sears poncho?” -FZappaReport
The original version of this post was going to be a sort of po-mo/meta thing along those lines…just a list of “THAT’S NOT COOL! COOL IS…Sobriety! Table Manners! Getting Good Grades! Xenophobic jokes!”Report
Topsiders!Report
Anything by Malcolm Gladwell. Also Ray-bans. And hand sanitiser.Report
The likes of Ross Douhat will always encumber the earth with their doughy recapitulations of Aquinas. There’s no getting rid of them any more than we can eliminate Aquinas, they arise from the same tiresome place in literature and history, the Young Fogey.
Orpheus sang in the darkness to retrieve poor dead Eurydice. Plato says in the Symposium that Hades produced an illusion of Eurydice which could never have survived the journey back to daylight. That’s where these PoMo Conservatives are today, hoping to resurrect Reagan and they will not get him back. They will get a corporate golem like Romney in his stead and they will not like it.Report
Ross Douhat
Is that his real name, or is he just daring us to call him Ross Douchebag?Report
It’s a Sanza Poncho (he said, quixotically.)Report
I’m a moron, ‘n’ this is my wife
She’s frosting a cake
With a paper knife
All what we got here’s
American made
It’s a little bit cheesy,
But it’s nicely displayedReport
Maybe conservatives are just too hip to be cool.
Terrific post, Conor.Report
Beatrice: You here to make fun of me too?
Kay: No, ma’am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor we’re aware of. May we come in?
Beatrice: Sure. Report
Excellent post. Great comments.Report
+1. Conner has been on fire.Report
Thanks guys. Always nice to know when it’s working. With uncoolness comes a lack of social awareness…i.e. pretty limited resources for knowing how an essay will be received.Report
I always thought the “cool folk” were rebelling. Didn’t matter what it was, they were rebelling. Whatever, it’s just another clique, except perhaps, they are even more annoyingly pretentious than other groups that have come before them. Frankly, they embody everything I hate about people. Frickin’ posers! A bunch of nabobs following the “latest thing” when they haven’t the brains, or the willingness to use one, to think for themselves.Report
Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?Report
Yeah, that’s another one that people look at me funny when I start doing it.Report
Conor- I thought about this post today in my car. Glenn Beck was on, describing a new project he’s undertaking: music producer. I’m not entirely sure what he scope of this enterprise is, but my inderstanding is that the mission is to make music about conservative values “cool” to today’s kids.
I’d have thought Beck was far more media savvy than to fall for the belief that all that was missing from the cool equation was higher production values and an “Approved!” stamp from a middle aged radio talk show host that kids’ grandparents listen to.Report
Funny—I thought I saw Beck today while running home from work. As I came up on the guy, I decided I’d stop and say, “Hey! You’re on TV! You’re that Olbermann guy, right?”
But it wasn’t Beck after all. Shame.Report
I have news for you. No one who takes his politics this seriously is cool, liberal or conservative. That’s what uncool conservatives fail to understand. The “post-modern conservatives” are most definitely not “on to something.” Kerouac was cool and very conservative (regardless of Norman Podhoretz’s disdain for him), but can you really see him “deconstructing Coolidge speeches”? This seems to be a conservative obsession (see Jeffry Goldberg’s unintentionally hilarious piece on Springsteen and Christie), and the truth is as long as you obsess about it, you can’t be cool.Report
Just curious, but I’m wondering how much of this cultural divide comes down to simple preferences – for movies, books, music, etc. – and the trappings that come along with them.
As telling as it might be to use those preferences as informative of ‘coolness’, it likely depends upon the audience’s own view (bias). Cultural touchpoints have different cache with different groups. Re: the Coen Bros, Mitt Romney has mentioned “O Brother, Where Art Thou” as a favorite film. Really??! I consider myself neither conservative or liberal, but I wonder aloud whether Mitt isn’t a) trying too hard to be cool, or b) just ‘whistling dixie’ here. (sorry.)
And how does this square with the wide perception that Mitt will never, EVER “out-cool” The President…?Report
P.S. I just read Jeff Goldberg’s interesting, awkwardly written take on Chris Christie’s Springsteen obsession (129 shows and counting) and how The Boss won’t give the NJ Gov the time of day. Am I missing something if find Christie’s incredulity a bit unseemly?Report
First, let me say that I really liked this post, although frankly I didn’t really understand it- but I really do chalk that up to my own total lack of coolness.
By “conservatives”, we’re talking about American right wingers, right? Because I know a lot of hipsters are, well, not exactly conservatives, but traditionalists. I see hipsters who live like they’re in the 50s, or the 70s, or hell even the 1920s. I know people have criticized those types here for not being aware of how great things are now, but I think identifying with past aesthetics is pretty harmless. Now, I don’t think any of them are politically conservative- at least, not if we define it in these social terms: they do support same sex marriage and access to abortion, so there’s that. But, living in Canada, I know plenty of conservatives who also support those things. In the US, it’s never clear if the Republicans are a political party or a religious movement. Elsewhere, it’s easier to tell. Finally, you’ve got oblivious to social inequality as a conservative trait, although I’m sure you know that hipsters are pretty notorious for that.
Okay, so abortion, entitlement, and gay rights puts American right wingers in the unhip category. You’ve got three divisions of how conservatives deal with that. I like those quite a bit. I guess my question is can’t we imagine a “stodgy con” who just wasn’t a Republican? I know quite a few, actually. I don’t really know where they’d fit in, but I take one of your arguments to be that one can’t be both Republican and hip, which is probably why they’re usually liberals. However, if you take the frequent hipster lament about the “mainstream” for what it is- an argument that our culture is in decline along with a romantic identification with the culture of the past- you can’t exactly call hipsters cultural progressives either.Report
I’ve yet to make my way through comments (which will prove, natch, enlightening and entertaining because that’s how y’all roll at The League) but first I’ll quickly share how thoroughly I enjoy reading your thoughtful, cleverly-crafted posts, Mr. Williams.Report
I think the un-coolness comes not from the type of ideology, but from the ideology itself. It’s hard to be cool while taking yourself too seriously.
This may be too weak a definition, but for me a conservative is someone who, having seen the nightmares created in the name of utopia, wants to proceed down the unknown road with foot on the brake. A conservative is anti-ideological and suspicious of meta-narratives, believing instead in gradual pragmatic progress by way of tinkering (Burke was an early bricoleur!)
One of the problems I have with contemporary American conservatism is that, while it has retained its suspicions of leftist ideology, it has adopted an oxymoronic conservative ideology (e.g. the quasi religious belief in free markets). Also they have taken Sowell’s “constrained vision” and turned it myopia …hence the aversions to social programs that have a proven track record; where the road in known.
As long as the conservative takes the universe and his place in it with a grain salt (a bottle of wine and a rare steak), he is cool in my book.Report