The Financial Class and the Middle Class
In recent weeks I’ve begun pretty seriously rethinking my positions on organized labor and especially public sector unions (more on this in some upcoming posts) and I think there is a compelling case to be made that a really vibrant, stable middle class requires some sort of resurgence of the labor movement. But I have a question: how does organized labor work as a counter to the financial industry? It was one thing to have unions stand up against corporate industrialists, it’s quite another when the real robber barons of our time are all hedge fund managers and multi-national banking CEO’s. But something has to be done to counter the power of these institutions and the danger they pose to the American economy. Do we return the banking sector to its past (and perhaps proper) role as a less aggressive, less risky business? Noah Millman points out that:
Fifty years ago, banking was a sleepy profession, with easy hours, comfortable but not extraordinary salaries, and a professional culture that was anything but entrepreneurial. Now, it’s an extremely aggressive culture, but all of that aggressive, competitive energy goes into figuring out better ways to rig the same game. A lot of people think the solution is to go back to what banking was fifty years ago. I’m not sure that’s possible, and I’m pretty sure if entrepreneurship is as important to the economy as Jim thinks it is that it’s not optimal. Rather, we need bankers with more of an entrepreneur’s appreciation of uncertainty.
Of course we can’t just snap our fingers and voila! presto! imbue bankers with either a sense of uncertainty or honesty. We’ve given too loose a rein to the wild speculators at the top of the economic ladder, and rewarded them with unsustainable riches for their unsustainable risks. Perhaps the fact that there is no possible way for organized labor to act as a counter to the banking industry should set off some warning bells. What kind of industry moves so much money through so few fingers? We keep buying the idea that all this innovation and growth is only possible with a really aggressive banking industry. I’m not at all sure this is true. For one thing, there’s no reason investment banks and traditional banks should be operated under the same roof. For another, there was still a stock market and trading and growth long before we undid Glass-Steagall. The last time we had a largely unregulated banking sector we fell into the Great Depression. This time it’s the Great Recession. If curbing some of this “growth” coming out of the financial sector leads to a Great Stagnation, well that strikes me as a better fate than either of the other two. Smaller, more less leveraged banks [had reworked this sentence and mangled it in the process sorry], and separate traditional and investment banks is likely the best option we have to prevent another financial meltdown and return banking to its sleepier, less risky former self.
How does organized labor work as a counter to the financial industry?
You probably realize this, but if anything, organized labor has historically enabled the excesses of the financial sector. The big pension funds have historically relied on high returns – and thus big gambles – in order to meet their obligations, which is why they’re all on the verge of bankruptcy right now. From what I can tell the same has been true in countries where labor is stronger.
I’m generally pro-union but I think this has been a huge and costly blind spot for them.Report
I see. If working people (or their proxies) didn’t have as much money to invest, they wouldn’t lose it in the market.
Pure brilliance.Report
“Smaller, more leveraged banks….”
Shouldn’t that be “less” leveraged banks?Report
I’ve always thought that lack leverage rules was the main factor in the recent banking crisis. Legislating leverage requirements seems a simple solution. I said simple, not easy.Report
The two most highly leveraged banking systems in the world are:
1. Switzerland; and
2. Canada.
And if you’ve been following how Canadian banks have been buying up troubled American banks, then it is fairly plain that leveraging is not really the issue.
This isn’t about margin calls.Report
Will H:
You say “are.” Do you mean to say that Switzerland and Canada are the most highly leveraged now? If so, that’s not really relevant to the banking crisis.
If you are saying they were the most highly leveraged before the crisis, in 2007, say, then that is relevant. But I seriously doubt Canada would be among the most highly leveraged.
Where are you getting this data from?Report
I’ll have to see if I can find that again. This was a paper with a lot of graphs that examined the banking systems of some 20 different nations. The US was high, but about #5 or so.
But yes, both is and were.Report
I found a graph here – http://economistonline.muogao.com/2008/12/bank-leverage-ratio-by-country.html.
In 2007, Canada less leveraged than the Eurozone, UK, US investment banks. Less leveraged than all in the graph save US commercial banks.
All financial crises are the product of leverage. Put simply — when people lose savings it’s a problem, but when they lose money they’ve borrowed they panic.
Leaving aside the specifics of margin calls, there were a variety of leverage issues at stake here in the crisis. People borrow money, i.e. use leverage, to buy homes. Lower down payments means more leverage. Banks were trading OTC derivatives without sufficient capital to back up the risk. Again, leverage.
Bob was correct. This was about leverage. The question is how do we get the requirements (for bank capital, collateral, down payments, etc) right. Not easy. However, given that everybody, rather than realizing that leverage, broadly speaking, was and is always the reason for these crises, and using that as the basis for coming up with rules to mitigate systematic risk, have instead picked up whatever piece of the crisis is convenient to beat their particular hobbyhorse. The left is blaming banks and saying consumers were duped. The right is blaming the CRA, Fannie and Freddie.
BTW, Will H. I’m not accusing you of that latter point. But leverage is the key point and it worries me that people are saying that it’s not.Report
I still don’t see where going long where you should short amounts to a leveraging issue.
Of course, it was the extensive leveraging that enabled the mess to become so massive.
But it still comes down to positioning.
Now, I don’t see the CRA as being a cause.
But every one of those other things you named do have a degree of culpability.
I don’t think that Frannie is bad, but it was definitely mismanaged. I believe they would do well to model their requirements after NACA’s.Report
And to be clear about this…
A margin call is when you borrow the money to purchase a stock, and then the people that you borrowed the money from want it back. That’s not what happened here.
When you buy a stock, and the bid price tanks, that’s just a bad investment. Leveraging has nothing to do with it.
Of course, the other side of profit is risk.
The risk was not managed well in the US.
Canada has a remarkably similar system; however, they were just a bit more prudent. And the commodity currency didn’t hurt them a bit; in fact, it helped them, the same as Australia.Report
Well there is a lot more differences than it may seem at first glance.
Canada has, for example, no mortgage interest deduction in their tax code. The Canadians also have no Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac style entities purchasing mortgages; most banks in Canada have to hold the mortgages they issue on their own books. Also the Canadian banking system is very strictly regulated to the point where there are only really a small handful of big national banks (though there are a romping horde of Credit Unions and smaller financial entities) and as a personal anectdote I find the personal finacial services offered in the US to be cheaper and more convenient (but full disclosure I haven’t banked in Canada in like five years so things may have improved a lot there).
I’ll note also that only a few years ago the relatively predictable and moderate profits of Canada’s stoic boring banks were the subject of considerable mockery by their peers south of the border and east across the pond in London.Report
Ah, yes.
It was so much easier to mock their so-called dollar back in the days when parity was nothing more than a pipe dream.Report
Ooops, lax.Report
Happens to the best of us, Bob.Report
Amen, brother.Report
Well we have made some small changes. We’ll have to see how they shake out. I’d really have liked a really strong Volcker rule implemented personally.
As to your general question, I don’t know if there are natural opponents to the financial industry like the natural opposition between labor and management.Report
“…I don’t know if there are natural opponents to the financial industry like the natural opposition between labor and management.”
My CommieDem side, my only side, sez they are. I don’t see a lot of day light between finance and management when it comes to the fostering of widespread income inequality. “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss,” is my view.
I think the primary question has to be, How can we grow labor membership?
Thanks to E.D. for discussing labors role here.Report
Okay Bob, fair enough, but how do you figure? I mean reason it out for me. Let me try from my own end.
The Old Way:
-Management needs more money/profitability so they put the screws to the workers: longer hours, lower wages, more unpleasant working conditions.
-Labor protects the workers, fights managers to prevent such mistreatment.
The Modern Economy:
-Financiers create complex interwoven layers of financial instruments that generate profit mostly by financial maneuvering. When all of this goes wrong this precipitates a financial crisis that causes cascading failures and threatens the entire financial system. Management, as in management of workers, involvement with most of this is relatively peripheral.
How, in this situation, do the interests of Labor and Finance necessarily conflict? How would the Teamsters or Service Industry Union be in direct conflict with the financiers? I don’t see it myself.Report
My point is more general. Big business and big finance have goals that are not mindful of a strong middle class. The current situation is sufficient evidence of that. I’ve never bought the “trickle down” theory any more than I believe what’s good for GM is good for the country.
Here is Simon Johnson on the finance industry:
“But there’s a deeper and more disturbing similarity: elite business interests—financiers, in the case of the U.S.—played a central role in creating the crisis, making ever-larger gambles, with the implicit backing of the government, until the inevitable collapse. More alarming, they are now using their influence to prevent precisely the sorts of reforms that are needed, and fast, to pull the economy out of its nosedive. The government seems helpless, or unwilling, to act against them.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/05/the-quiet-coup/7364/
If one buys the argument that financial interests are fighting “reform” to correct the situation its seems that labor unions, the middle class in general, should have an interest fighting for reform. In short, oppose the interests of banks, brokerage houses, hedges funds, etc.
A lot of New Deal legislation was was designed to regulate finance. I don’t see any reason that labor should not have a natural antipathy to financial interests today just as the did in the the 1930’s.Report
I think your general point is key. Labor is an oppositional force to the financial sector to the extent that stronger Labor means a stronger middle class. I don’t expect you mean that strengthening Labor is the only way to strengthen the middle class, though correct me if I’m wrong.
It is the stronger middle class that is needed as a counter to the financial industry.
I’d add, per your link, that talking about how to do anything to reform the financial sector is moving to Step 2 without covering Step 1 – breaking what Johnson calls the financial oligarchy. The cozy relationship between the financial sector and the government brought us the bailouts and then have effectively held the pitchforks at bay with a relatively weak FinReg bill.Report
and North, I don’t wish to speak for E.D. here but I think I’m coming from his general starting point. Erik points out, “…I think there is a compelling case to be made that a really vibrant, stable middle class requires some sort of resurgence of the labor movement.” All I wish to add, from Erik’s mouth to god’s ear.Report
Maybe that works. I think you’d have a stronger case if you left labor out of it entirely and focused on the Middle Class. We’ve seen a lot of situations where the attitudes and interests of labor are hostile to or at odds with the interests of the middle class.
Beyond that though I agree with 62across. How to break the regulatory capture is a difficult nut to crack.Report
As to your general question, I don’t know if there are natural opponents to the financial industry like the natural opposition between labor and management.
It was for most of history, social conservatism. The Abrahamic religions all have rules governing the money business, in some cases banning it entirely.
In American history specifically, that the Republican party currently has the bulk of the more religiously observant (christians) as well as the bulk of Wall Street is a historical aberation.Report
Yes, these days we have the Prosperity Gospel.Report
“But I have a question: how does organized labor work as a counter to the financial industry?”
How do beans work as an answer to crocodiles?
Organized labor doesn’t work as a counter to the financial industry because the two have nothing to do with each other. The “capital/labor” distinction which organized labor depends on doesn’t exist in the financial industry; effectively, the market is the boss and every banker is labor.Report
Who could have guessed?
According to Think Progress the U.S. Chamber of Commerce plus AIG and ExxonMobil have hired a law firm to smear labor unions and other critics of the Chamber. According to the article the plan included planting false stories the Chamber hoped critics would spread. Then the Chamber could expose Think Progress and others of falsely vilifying the CC.
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/10/lobbyists-chamberleaks/
Nice to see AIG using their bailout billions for something other than huge bonuses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIG_bonus_payments_controversyReport
I think it’s absurd that so many very bright people dedicate their brilliance to finding ever-more-creative ways to exploit loopholes in the system or to prevent the exploitation of those loopholes. We need fewer financial analysts and wonks and more scientists and engineers. Would simply letting banks fail despite systemic risk do more than anything else to foster this?Report
Simply put, no.Report
We’d have more scientists and engineers if we had more jobs for them to do. But we’d rather give money to old people and poor people, so we don’t have any jobs for scientists or engineers anymore.Report