Toward a positive conservatism
“How much time he gains who does not look to see what his neighbor says or does or thinks, but only at what he does himself, to make it just and holy.”
– Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
“I do not think that a politics radically adversarial to the government holds much promise for the future. And I do not believe that an individual who takes Carroll Quigley and Cleon Skousen seriously is the appropriate spokesman for a serious conservative populism.”
~ Matt Continetti, defending his article, The Two Faces of the Tea Party in a response to Jonah Goldberg.
I thought Continetti’s piece was quite good. That being said, I’m always leery of easy dualisms. Goldberg’s critique, in this sense, is spot on. The two faces of Glenn Beck and Rick Santelli certainly make for a handy rhetorical device, but I imagine the actual composition of the movement is far more complex.
Nonetheless, I think the piece has other merits more important than its rhetorical structure. The most important, perhaps, is Continetti’s assertion that for conservatism to flourish the movement needs to evolve beyond an attitude toward government that is ‘radically adversarial’.
One reason I enjoy the writing of center-right thinkers such as Reihan Salam or Ross Douthat (among others) is that rather than constantly taking a position against liberals or other conservatives, they are constantly on the prowl for good ideas.
I think this is especially true of Reihan, whose wonkish blog over at NRO can only be described as a sort of positive conservatism. Instead of focusing on simply being in opposition to the liberal agenda – which is, really, a fairly easy task – this brand of conservatism is always perusing the market of good ideas. This doesn’t mean you can’t also be against bad ideas, but only that every oppositional stance should be paired with a positive solution.
The bank tax is wrong – here’s why, and here’s a better idea. The healthcare bill is going to be a disaster – here’s why, and here’s a better idea. Positive conservatism, for it to be effective at all, also must avoid Utopianism if it is to avoid the progressive pitfall. Tax and spend liberalism has its own host of smart, wonky, positive thinkers, but much (though not all) of that project, I think, is built on its own widely accepted but not widely acknowledged Utopian vision.
The flipside to this coin may be the Beckian strand of the Tea Party movement, whose ambitions to repeal the New Deal are anything but grounded in realism. A movement built on the sands of fallacious thinking is no movement at all.
Too often conservatives spend their time pointing out only how those across the aisle are wrong or malicious, and too often soi-disant dissident conservatives spill vast amounts of ink pointing out how wrong movement conservatives are or how loathsome the right-wing punditry can be. I have fallen prey to this many times over.
And I confess, it has never helped me sleep nights. I have never stumbled across a good idea while pointing out how silly Talking Head #1 is, or by turning to straw men whenever I find myself exasperated by a particularly frustrating public figure or pundit. I have never come up with a solution to a problem by painting my political adversaries (on the right or the left) with overly broad strokes.
I think the conservative movement on a whole would benefit from a shift away from ideology and toward ideas; away from Utopianism and its inherent cynicism and toward specific, positive policy solutions; and toward a conservatism at once grounded in healthy realism and rooted in something beyond mere opposition.
The problem i think is that self-righteous rage is addictive. once you get used to that, anything less seems like weak tea.Report
@greginak, I think that’s very true. It’s also very easy to slip into that in this particular medium, which lends itself so well to snark and vitriol, and as you put it – addictive self-righteous rage.Report
I think Kevin Drum has written a bit about how the Tea Party people are not new in any way. They are core conservatives and there have been loud rage filled groups of conservatives before ( the John Birch society and the militia movement being two examples). To a degree when circumstances, mostly the economy, improve a lot of that rage subsides. On the other hand i think there is a subset of the conservative movement that will never except any Democrat as president. If Jim Webb became prez, even with his life story and politics, there are conservatives who will shriek about how they are losing their country and everything is going to hell.
Liberals are The Other to many conservatives and that just isn’t going to change. Some of what you are asking the conservative movement to do is let their gaurd down while the The Other stalks them.Report
@greginak, “we’ve always had people like the Afghanistan War Protesters and the people throwing rocks at the G20 Summit.”
See how easy that is to do?Report
@Jaybird, uhh yeah……ah what is easy to do? Its easy to name various groups, so what? We’ve always has libertarians? We’ve always had people?Report
@greginak, we’ve always had (mostly harmless group) as well as (kinda creepy group).
And you create guilt by association thereby.Report
@Jaybird, i really have no idea what you are talking about. I take it you disagree with my observation about a sub set of the right and an historical trend of part of the right. Peoples do often, actually, have trends and histories and threads that weave through time and other liberal stuff like that.Report
@gregiank, indeed they do. It’s the framing that I objected to, rather than the fact.
It’s like pointing out that the biggest historical supporters of Eugenics include Social Progressives and prominent members of the Nazi Party.
Here’s a brief flashback of someone who, in the past, found statement of such a fact to be insufficiently robust:
http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2010/03/critics-of-woodrow-wilson-strangely-ignore-the-worst-aspects-of-his-presidency/
Wacky, huh?Report
Liberals are The Other to many conservatives
And vice versa. Frum, who holds, so far as I can tell, no ideas that are not extremely conservative is branded a “liberal” for his few apostasies to the movement, and he’s not alone.Report
how loathsome the right-wing punditry can be
And it is. Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Beck, Kristol, Hewitt, and McCarthy are disgraces to humanity, and apparently Sowell is working hard to achieve that status.Report
@Mike Schilling,
Ah that ignoble band of grifters. How they squeeze the rubes with such panache and skill that the dupes never even think it possible that the ones pulling the wool over their eyes are their own great illuminators.Report
What do you do when liberals are right? You’ve hit on a fairly positive approach when they’re wrong. The older I get, the less affiliated I feel with anyone. Sometimes, I agree with the guy next door. But it seems to me that liberals are right about 20 % of the time and conservatives are right about 20% of the time, and the trick is knowing when and ignoring them the rest of the time.Report
This also dates back to the whole High Road/Low Road thing.
A positive conservativism… well. We’ll see if it works. But to some suggestions (e.g., “We should do X!”), the suggested thing is so bad that saying “no, we shouldn’t” ought to be sufficient.
Let’s look at the Iraq War.
On the one hand, we could say “well, let’s explore this whole ‘WMD’ thing a little closer, let’s look at the costs for the war, for the price of 1,000,000,000,000 maybe we could make some nuclear reactors and develop battery technologies that could make us completely energy independent and, more importantly, we could then sell the technology (at least the battery technology) to other countries and make most of that money back while, at the same time, making for a greener earth. It’s at least worth discussing!”
While, at the same time, people were explaining how we were attacked. And Al Qaeda wants to kill your child. That child sitting on your lap RIGHT NOW. Yeah, Al Qaeda.
And you want to make batteries?
It’s not surprising that people would move to making signs talking about Mumia and how War is Harmful to Children and Other Living Things and have drum circles.
The “Let’s not do X, but Y!” gets treated similarly to “Let’s not do X but talk about Mumia!”
It becomes quite easy to just start saying “nah, let’s just oppose.”Report
@Jaybird,
Yup, all those filthy liberals insisting the US invade Iraq.Report
@Mike Schilling, they certainly used “liberal” arguments.
“They have rape rooms!”
“Saddam is a vicious tyrant who doesn’t deserve to be Head of State!”
“We have a responsibility to our fellow man to release them from the shackles of oppression!”
Or… are you objectively pro-Saddam?Report
@Jaybird, Odd, I thought the principle driver arguement was “our intelligence service and military say Saddam is near to developing WMD and may well pass them on to terrorists.”Report
@North, Those weren’t the ones I remember most viciously. The ones I remember were the ones that questioned my humanity and ability to tackle such things as tyrants who would be relatively easily toppled.Report
@Jaybird, its somewhat telling that you frame saving people from rape and oppression as a “liberal” argument and not a conservative or libertarian argument. Not that those were reasons to invade but as North noted, OMG they can bomb us in a minute and kill us all was a pretty damn big focus.Report
@greginak, you probably remember those arguments most for a reason.
I am just repeating the arguments read to me that stung the most. Remember the purple fingers? Good times.Report
“…but I imagine the actual composition of the movement is far more complex.” E.D. Kain
Here is the opening paragraph from a Gallup poll released today:
“There is significant overlap between Americans who identify as supporters of the Tea Party movement and those who identify as conservative Republicans. Their similar ideological makeup and views suggest that the Tea Party movement is more a rebranding of core Republicanism than a new or distinct entity on the American political scene.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/Tea-Party-Supporters-Overlap-Republican-Base.aspxReport
@Bob, Yeah, I read a similar poll over at Ambider’s. If anything I consider a large component of the tea party to be a splinter off the GOP that was caused by Bush Minor’s towering incompetence. Prior to Bush and his allies in the GOP congress taking a dump all over the GOP’s claims to fiscal probity I’d have expected the tea party to be happily rabble rousing from within the Republican tent.Report
@North, “Ambider’s. If anything I consider a large component of the tea party to be a splinter off the GOP that was caused by Bush Minor’s towering incompetence”
And if I’d seen them demonstrating both then and now, I’d agree. However, they seemed to have a powerful skill in not demonstrating until a Democrat was in the White House.Report
@Barry,
The straw that broke the camel’s back for the Tea Partyers was Obama’s invasion of Afghanistan.Report
@North and Berry, speaking of Bush II, a recent poll of 200 plus historians has him pegged as the worst president of the modern era and in the bottom five of all time worst. Way to go George.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/01/scholars-bush-worst-president/#commentsReport
@Bob, sorry, Barry.Report
@jaybird- uh yeah. i’m still lost. Yes many people, including progressives believed in eugenics and that has what to do with what. How about telling what you disagreed with about my assertion.Report
@gregiank, I disagreed with the framing.Report
@Jaybird, if it matters, which framing would that be?Report
@gregiank, the framing that put “core conservatives”, “john birchers”, and the “militia movement” together in the same breath.Report
@Jaybird, i’ll stick with john birchers and the miltia types together as similar. Tea party people sure seem like a core, as in died in the wool, long term, part of the conservative movement.
I would contend that the conservative movement has had a strongly nativist, conspiracy minded, bellicose, element for a long time.Report
@greginak, In the same way that those who threw rocks through storefronts in order to protest the G20 were part of “the left”?Report
http://bonzai.squarespace.com/blog/2010/7/2/wonkish-conservatism-i-dont-think-so.htmlReport
@Jaybird- i haven’t paid attention to the protesters at the G20, but futile petulant counter productive protests at international economic meeting is something of a hobby for a subset of left wingers. Some people seem to think trashing a starbux is serious useful political statement.
All political movements have multiple groups and always, like that one odd cousin we all have, embarrass the others. So what. I don’t think every action done by any one right winger, left winger, centrist, libertarian, or what ever, defines everybody else who falls under that same label. That does not mean that there aren’t coherent groups or threads throughout the history of movements. Silly pointless protests that function more as social outings or a chance to pick up chix have long been a feature of the left. Somehow my own beliefs survive.Report