Democracy Symposium: A neat trick
Note: This post is part of our League Symposium on Democracy. You can read the introductory post for the Symposium here. To see a list of all posts in the Symposium so far, click here
Democracies have a number of things going against them. They tend to select for policies that are fiscally unsustainable. There are other ways in which it leads to bad policies,and it is not above violating people’s fundamental rights. Unlike JamesK, I don’t think that it is a point in favour of democracy that it aggregates preferences. Not only is it impossible that any non-dictatorial system can aggregate preferences in a rational manner, it is not necessarily desirable that a political system do so. I’m a moral realist and a moral cognitivist. That means that I don’t see morality as a matter of emotions. As Kant put it, morality is a matter of pure practical reason. Where people disagree about fundamental moral matters, at least one of them is wrong. Even if we cannot find out who, moral sentences are nevertheless the kind thing that can be true. As mentioned by many, much of the desirability of liberal democracy stems from the liberality rather than its democratic-ness. One of the more awesome features of liberal democracies is also one of its least democratic parts, namely the constitution. There was some pushback on this issue, and there does seem to have been some improvement in some respects, but certainly that improvement has been neither uniform nor sufficient and certainly not without other regressive tendencies that we should be jumping for joy. As far as justice is concerned, democracy kind of sucks. I’m not even going to go into the whole Churchillian stuff about it being the worst system except for all the rest. We haven’t tried all the rest, and there is certainly much that can be done at the margins. Often, justice is going to require going against majority opinion even in areas that have been traditionally relegated to democratic authority. Whatever we can do to remove such policy questions from democratic control would be an improvement. More than that, if we were all more rational and all had more epistemic humility, democracy wouldn’t even be able to get off the ground. But, and I can’t believe I am saying this, there is maybe just one thing that democracy seems to do well, and that is to resolve overt political violence. Let me try to explain:
Now, as a matter of fact, some people just are better at answering moral questions than others and those others really should just shut up and defer to those who know better. But of course, people don’t do this. Everyone thinks that their own judgement is supreme* and refuses to concede that others’ could be right. Even though most people, when faced with such disagreement should at the very least, become agnostic about the various policy questions, they don’t. From their own perspective, why should they? After all, it is those other guys who are wrong and acceding to them is compromising what one sees as the right thing to do. But, if we are to live in society, there must be some rules that govern interpersonal interactions. There must be some things which I cannot demand of you and conversely there are some things you owe me. What do we do when we cannot agree with what those rules are? One way this problem can be solved is if everyone agreed on a procedure to adjudicate the various claims and preferences even if they did not agree on. In the abstract, this solution seems to be a tall order. There seems to be no reason why people should find it any easier to agree on a procedure to adjudicate disagreements about what the social rules should be than to agree on what the social rules should be.
Yet, democracies have managed to do just that. Democracies have somehow managed to convince most people that it is better to fight their political battles in the voting booth than in the streets. For majorities, this is an obvious win. They manage to impose their will on the rest without much of a fight. For minorities, it is less obvious. Minorities stand to lose a lot by just acquiescing to a procedure in which they are bound to lose. More than that, somehow, even after they have lost, minorities recognise the authority of the majority’s representative as legitimate and do not rebel against said authority. Yet, there doesn’t seem to be any particular reason as to why they necessarily should.** We can see how legitimation would have worked in the old days of monarchy. The King was the rightful ruler in virtue of having been placed in such a position by divine right. Even the poor trampled peasant could grok that such was appropriate to the king’s station and his rule even if onerous, was legitimate because in part he it comported with his beliefs about social classes, the existence of God etc. It is less clear what the legitimising principle of democracy is and certainly not clear why minorities would accept it.
But, somehow, most people view their democratically elected leaders as having legitimate authority over them. Maybe it is manufactured consent, or maybe false consciousness. I don’t know. But it is still a neat trick. Mere coercion is rarely enough to keep the populace from tearing each other’s throats out. It requires something more. People must by and large see the ruler as legitimate in order for his rule to be stable. This is difficult in any society which is characterised by a rich pluralism of views on substantive policy questions.
Of course, mere democracy is not enough. Even though democracies have managed what seems to be a neat trick, the stability of illiberal democracies seems more precarious than that of liberal democracies. What is going on? One of the key differences between liberal and illiberal democracies is that liberal democracies (at least to a greater extent, even if not all the time) try to justify their policies by giving reasons that everyone can in principle access and accept. Illiberal democracies to a greater degree, justify their policies on grounds which are unintelligible to the minority who disagree with said policy. To be clear, there is no hard and fast distinction between liberal and illiberal democracies on such an account and the difference may only be a matter of degree. Public reason further legitimises the system. by giving public reasons, people can somewhat see themselves as possibly accepting the policy even though they actually don’t.
Now, none of this means that we should conclusively support democracy. Certainly, if we wish to proceed on a more sustainable fiscal path, we will have to find ways to de-democratise. Perhaps a gradualist approach can over time shift the basis of regime legitimacy from whatever it currently is, to something perhaps a bit or maybe a lot more rational:a recognised scientific and philosophical superiority and expertise in policy questions. But this is a big perhaps and we should give props where they are due. Liberal democracy is so far the best, by far, at solving the political legitimacy issue: How do we get people to just kind of get along without breaking out into violence every now and then?
*Even though it really is the case that it is the libertarians who’ve got things more or less right and that everyone else is being either mistaken or perverse.
**To be clear, people can submit to a ruler out of resignation and fear of the ruler’s coercive power, but they don’t therefore see the ruler as legitimate.
I recently finished reading Douglas North’s Violence and Social Orders which tries to tackle these issues, though in an extremely awkward way, imo.
The book labels liberal societies as “Open Access,” and defines them as societies which embrace equal opportunity, inclusiveness, impartiality, lack of constraint into the competitive realms of economics and politics, and large decentralized governments that supply safety nets.
Open Access societies in effect establish a social compact on another way to struggle. One necessary ingredient is that in open access societies we are parts of lots of majorities and lots of minorities. We have multiple networked interests. Indeed they show the vast majority of the worlds voluntary organizations exist in these rare liberal societies.
Thus I would offer that one reason minorities do not resort to violence is that the same minorities are also members of numerous majorities. The system is not one dimensional, and where it is, they can become democracies, but they won’t be liberal.Report
Well said. Which is a bit awkward for me to say, as I just submitted my proposed symposium post to Mark, and this would serve well as a partial rebuttal to it. If I had read this before I sent my email, I might not have sent it at all.Report
Nice post Murali. But one quibble – at the meta level: it strikes me that you’d never realized this before. That might account for some of the disagreements we’ve had about democracy in the past.Report
it strikes me that you’d never realized this before.
Yeah, I’ve recently come to think that actually perceived legitimacy, whether warranted or not, is important for pragmatic, stability related reasons. Previously, I tended to focus on the justice of the system and even now, still think that perceived legitimacy has nothing to do with whether the policies it enacts are the right ones.Report
Also while I have more or less always preferred to buy stability with just policies that serve everyone’s actual interests, I have laely come to appreciate that this may not always be possible.Report
Unlike JamesK, I don’t think that it is a point in favour of democracy that it aggregates preferences.
More to the point, what they actually aggregate is a synthesis of preferences and beliefs about how certain policies will satisfy those outcomes. Since voters are really bad about getting the second part right, democracy is bad about getting the first part right.Report
Yes, that second part is a definite drawback.Report
However tentative it is in granting the real value provided, this enunciates at a least a notional suggestion about why we might care about democracy for it’s own sake, or for what it can provide that liberalism really can’t (i.e. you could have a minimal state – definitionally satisfying the demands of liberalism – governing a society that employs a large amount of violence to settle its political, though that word is redundant here, disputes). As I’ve mentioned, the symposium until recently hadn’t really offered much of a reason why we should be concerned with the democratic part of liberal democracy, rasing the question of whether its subject was even compelling on its own terms. (Though I didn’t give enough recognition the last time I pointed that out to James K.’s contribition which did do that.)
This post continues to help balance the ledger of considerations on each side, and I think we’re arriving at something that actually offers a reason to give real thought to both sides of the topic we’ve chosen to discuss. So kudos Murali and to the League for again eventually identifying the key questions around a topic raised for discussion and producing a very worthwhile series. We should keep doing this.Report
Murali, I talk about this in my guest OP that may or may not ever actually make it online. Since it hasn’t shown yet and since I won’t be around if/when it does, I’ll steal some of my own thunder and point to one of my sources here. In it the authors contend and I agree that it isn’t the ‘democracy’ per se that gives it staying power but the “institutions”. In a democracy we may not like the leader “we” elected, but if the institutions are sound we know that we get to wait our turn and perhaps fix the problem in the next election. That hope alleviates the distress at being under the wrong leader, to a point. To say more would steal too much thunder from the OP, which I wrote fully expecting to be the last in the Symposium since Burt was ending it early. It doesn’t /have/ to end it of course, it just talks about a serious touch of grey in the silver lining of democracies.
I considered adding an economic element to my post but gave up as unwieldy. This was going to be my foundational text for that component of the discussion. You might like it on general principles.Report
What is the delay? Did you send it to Burt?
On the economic text, I wasn’t persuaded. They seemed to be looking at the pie and ignoring the size of the pie. Per capita incomes continue to rise in GB, for example, even as their share of world income drops.
I agree that economic progress is cyclical, but I am more aligned with the philosophy of Mancur Olson. Countries become prosperous to the extent that they create institutions which enable them to become more productive and innovative (and it is easier to import these than create them the first time). However, over time, special interest groups form which resist change and seek rents and privilege. The system gums up and eventually the leaders are passed up by the followers, who will gum up later. From the city states of Italy, to the Netherlands, to GB, to Germany and the US. As long as there are competing and cooperating states, some are advancing and some are gumming up.Report
What is the delay? Did you send it to Burt?
Gee, ease up on Burt. He’s doing his best, I’m sure. 😉Report
Actually, Burt was so awesomely responsive I assumed he sent it somewhere else.Report
The email I got from Burt said it was going to be up at 9 this morning and then he had to go to a funeral. Perhaps it is waiting for someone to click a box or ED has nixed it, who knows? I do keep pushing the imaginary line on this site to see where it might be. I figured the guns post would do it, but it just got held up a week or so. 🙂Report
Sent it to Burt yesterday. They like to make we wait until I’m out of town here before they post so I can’t reply to my detractors. 😉
On the economics text, you’ll see they have those 5 stages. Britain is on the 4th stage, regardless of size of pie. They had a big dip down because of two world wars in quick succession and eventually recovered to the economists’ average of 70% of our income as they have. When you look at GB’s industries you don’t see much beyond their financial system. Take that away and they’re far worse off than they appear at first glance.
To your last point I agree that special interests conspire to capture as much of the pie as they can and factionalize the country in the process. That’s one of the theses of my OP but of course not as neatly eloquent as you would have said it. 🙂Report
To be fair to Churchill he did say “democracy is worst form of government, save for all the others that have been tried”. I took it to be a description of current political technology, rather than some eternal truth.Report
Have plausible improvements for democracy arisen since then? (In the real world, not purely in the realm of the imagination.)Report