Boris Johnson set to win a clear majority in U.K. election, exit poll suggests

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  1. Avatar Jaybird
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    Maybe Time should have picked Corbyn.Report

  2. Avatar North
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    No surprise there, may Corbyn’s antisemitic ass rot in agnostic hell. Brexit may have been Cameron’s baby but Corbyn was the midwife and he’s turning Labour into an left wing version of the GOP.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to North
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      he’s turning Labour into an left wing version of the GOP.

      I’m afraid that I need you to break that down for me.Report

      • Avatar North in reply to Jaybird
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        Incoherent on policy, an inept populist leader, a split apart base. He and Trump are almost opposites in personal attributes but their effect on their parties is somewhat similar.Report

        • Avatar Jaybird in reply to North
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          Okay, I guess that makes sense. But, until today, I had always seen Johnson as the “populist” and Corbyn as the person who was represented by the Certainly-Not-Populists.

          See, for example, this one:

          Now, if Trump hollows out the Republicans like Corbyn did, it makes a *HUGE* amount of sense to compare them to each other.

          But without that hollowing out, I’m stuck comparing policy and comparing aesthetics.

          And Corbyn ain’t anywhere near the first to come to mind when I start making those comparisons. Not yet, anyway.

          Not yet, anyway.Report

          • Avatar North in reply to Jaybird
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            You definitely don’t know Bojo enough to see that he and Trump share very little in common except for their odd hair. He’s a classic Tory elitist playing at being a buffoon whereas Trump has always been a bit of a buffoon desperately playing at being an elitist.Report

            • Avatar CJColucci in reply to North
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              This is why we need “like” buttons.Report

            • Avatar Jaybird in reply to North
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              I will cheerfully concede that.

              But the whole “playing at being a buffoon” thing took off and it wasn’t only him that was running with that, but Labour as well.

              To be quite honest, the first time that I’ve heard that he is *NOT* a buffoon is after the election where he gave the Tories the most seats since 1980-something.

              Which makes me wonder.Report

              • Avatar North in reply to Jaybird
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                Go read Andrew Sullivan over at NYMag, he’s been calling Boris on not being a buffoon for months now.
                And yeah the parties tend to go down the paths their leaders take them: Labour into incoherent socialist wingdingism, the GOP into incoherent nativist nonsense.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird in reply to North
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                I have been reliably informed that Andrew Sullivan’s insights ought to be avoided.

                But I will take your word for it that his insights were there on Johnson beforehand.Report

              • Avatar North in reply to Jaybird
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                *snorts* Being told someone’s insights need to be avoided typically makes me go check out their insights personally.Report

              • Avatar Brent F in reply to Jaybird
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                Playing at being a buffoon has been a view on Boris since he was mayor of London at least. That impression probably isn’t going to jump the pond outside of niche circles until he became a candidate to lead a major state.Report

          • Avatar Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird
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            That’s satire right? Do people still Kael unironically? Even Pauline Kael didn’t Kael unironically.Report

            • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Brandon Berg
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              My take is always “this person is saying what they’re saying seriously!”

              I mean, sure. To some extent, people are likely to say something like “nobody I know is saying X!” when, really, they live in a bubble. Seriously, the only people they know who have said anything close to X are people who are “domestic help”.

              That said, we need to assume that the people who say things are saying them.

              Otherwise lies madness.Report

    • Avatar George Turner in reply to North
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      UK Mirror story on the reaction from Ken Livingstone, former mayor of London, left-wing Labour icon, and democratic socialist

      Ken Livingstone says it’s ‘the end’ for Jeremy Corbyn and blames ‘Jewish vote’

      I don’t think their problems all started with Corbyn.Report

    • Avatar dragonfrog in reply to North
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      It’s really odd to me how much is apparently being made of Corbyn’s antisemitism, when

      1 we have decent indications that Labour voters are less antisemitic than Tory voters, and that specfically under Corbyn’s leadership that gap has widened considerably (by Labour voters getting much less antisemitic while Tories got only a bit less antisemitic)

      https://imgur.com/a/HszNd64

      2 Boris Johnson full on wrote a novel featuring the sinister Jewish cabal that controls the media

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/boris-johnsons-record-of-bigotry-antisemitism-and-far-right-politics-must-not-be-forgottenReport

  3. Avatar Michael Cain
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    Assuming all the numbers hold up, I’m more interested in seeing the consequences of the Scottish National Party winning 55 of 59 seats in Scotland.Report

    • Avatar InMD in reply to Michael Cain
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      Referendum 2.Report

    • Avatar PD Shaw in reply to Michael Cain
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      The SNP won 56 seats in 2015. I don’t think anything happens. Scottish independence had a thin line to walk for success that included Labour needing SNP support following this election in exchange for a referendum. The independence movement wants to remain outside the Eurozone, while being accepted by the EU, whose members don’t want to give indirect support to other independence movements.

      Northern Ireland on the other hand . . .Report

  4. Avatar PD Shaw
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    Projecting Labour’s fewest seats since 1935. There seems to be a broader problem on the centre- left in Western democracies following the Great Recession (possibly with the exception of Spain). Sometimes referred to as the alienation of the professional and working classes.

    So I don’t know how much of this can be blamed on UK specific factors alone, but they appear to be (1) widespread Euro-skepticism that created an issue ripe for realignment; (2) an opposition leader that was not right for this moment; and (3) the pull of national parties that prevent Labour from forming a broader economic-based coalition.Report

  5. Avatar Jaybird
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    Welp.

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  6. Avatar Jaybird
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    It’s official. Boris has a majority.Report

  7. Avatar Brent F
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    The worst thing that happened to Labour recently was doing less bad in 2017 compared to expectations going in. That gave evidence to the widespread delusion amoungst the Momentum faction that Corbyn was good at this and deserved everyone’s support and the many many warnings they got that he was a milestone on Labour’s neck were waived off as the sour grapes of the almost-Tory Blairites. Meanwhile, the Tories eventually turfed the weak leader who failed that election and ended up renewed and stronger for the next match.

    Even a couple days ago, I was hearing from Corbyn’s fans about how much ground they’d make up in the end and that the polls were lies.

    One of the biggest questions now is whether Corbyn’s cult of personality remains in charge of Labour pursuing their goal of being a 100 seat ideologically pure party or if the defeat will marshal his opponents to manage a successful counter-revolution against them.Report

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