28 thoughts on “Stephen Miller and the Theater of Outrage

    1. Miller seems more like the Eichmann type. The mastermind behind the scenes. His love of outrage is definitely in the mold Goebbels. I’m ashamed that a fellow Jew can be creating such a shanda in front of the goyim.Report

      1. I don’t know how much shanda there can be, when the goyim of this Administration made shanda a prerequisite for membership.

        Its more like the cantina at Mos Eisely.Report

  1. The focus on Miller leaves other people off the hook. I somehow doubt Miller is the only one that supports this — Sessions is being unusually full-throated in his support, and Kelly’s past statements are pretty indicative of where he lies.Report

    1. Miller is definitely not the only one supporting it, but he seems to be the prime mover of a lot of it, and especially the tone and roll out of it. There is quite a bit out there that the original “crying child” pic that came out and started a lot of the current controversy was pushed out by Miller himself. Plenty of blame to go around, but Miller is a good place to start.Report

  2. Sigh. This week a conservative friend started linking to pieces in The Federalist about liberal outrage and how it was such a terrible thing.

    I’m not going to link to it, you can find it by searching “federalist liberal outrage”. Meanwhile Miller and his kind troll, and stoke counter-outrage.

    Miller isn’t the only one who thinks that whenever the people are thinking immigration, they are winning. Bannon thinks that, too.

    I keep reminding myself that this happened in CA 20 years ago, and the result was that CA is now deep blue. In spite of it being solidly red in the 80s.Report

    1. People foolishly thought that Bannon’s firing would signal a modulation by Trump, but that was laughable as long as Miller was in place. McMay’s linked piece does a good job going through the history of how Miller-through Sessions-brought the immigration as banner to fight under to Trump in the first place.

      I agree with your first point, I am beyond done with this childish notion that outrage by any side somehow justifies the actions and responses of the other.Report

    2. I keep reminding myself that this happened in CA 20 years ago, and the result was that CA is now deep blue. In spite of it being solidly red in the 80s.

      I cannot imagine this not killing the GOP’s already poor numbers among Hispanics. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if they end up voting as reliably Democratic as blacks do, and for pretty much the same reason.

      If you can look at this mess (the act, the defenses, and ye gods the comments from the average supporter of this mess!) and think “Oh, well, they wouldn’t do this to the good brown people — you know, citizens and legal immigrants” you’re deluded.

      It’s not about illegal immigration — you notice this isn’t on the Canadian border, or that ICE isn’t grabbing people on expired visas — this is pretty much an extension of now-pardoned Arapio’s outright crusade against the non-white.

      And the GOP’s response to this has been terrifying. It might be Miller’s plan or Trump’s orders doing this, but the GOP is completely complicit in this.Report

      1. There was a recent piece in Slate claiming that the admin is stepping up effort to de-naturalize people who have been here for years but have some sort of infraction.Report

        1. Whats really stupid is that most of these people are waiver eligible. So they get denaturalized, put in removal proceedings, apply for a 237 waiver, keep their green card, and re-naturalize five years later.Report

  3. At this point we need to just concede that Trump, Miller, Sessions, and the rest are true believers in their cause. They aren’t going to back down or change policy in the face of mounting public pressure. Miller has a near lifetime of trolling liberals that stretches back to middle or high school according to reporters. Trump’s views on race are well known and even older.

    Today Trump tweeted about how immigrants are an “infestation.” This is precariously close to “nits cause lice” as an argument and very dangerous and very racist.

    So it is hard for me to say that people shouldn’t be outraged by this and the best call for action is decorum and restraint. This is the rhetoric and actions of fascism that they are using. Along with the revelation yesterday that ICE officials say they are taking the kids “for a bath” before taking them away.

    I also don’t see the 11th dimensional chess that Miller is allegedly playing.

    Semi-OT but I’ve been looking at photos of Trump. I find his gestures and expressions repulsive but they clearly have a dark charisma and connection to his supporters. He has a very jocular “amirite?” kind of pose when discussing immigration and using flame-throwing language.Report

  4. The United Methodist Church brought charges yesterday against Jeff Sessions for violation of church law. Per the article, the max punishment is explusion, but basically, historically, this procedure has never gone beyong a talking to by the regional authority for the church.Report

    1. This seems like a thing the admin really won’t like nor did that calculate for. I mean i’m sure they are fine with aiming the poo faucet at Methodists in theory but as a practical matter i’m not sure that will work.

      I’m also thinking of some solid “method” puns but i’ll keep them to myself.Report

    2. Sessions is Methodist?!? I would never have guessed. They are pretty big-tent, but people like Sessions tend not to like being in big tents.Report

  5. The part of Trump’s NFIB speech today where he talks about judges gives away the game.

    starts at about 18 minutes

    “I don’t want judges, I want border security. I don’t want to try people, I don’t want people coming in”

    edit: also a riff on judges at about 15:15 “we have to have a real border, not judges”Report

    1. (the Ted Cruz immigration proposal is to double the number of immigration judges from 375 to 750. So who the heck knows where Trump is getting his ‘thousands of judges’ thing from)

      (I mean, it’s likely the usual place, but there’s usually some penumbra of some policy that floated from the far corners of the media-political verse that his utterances, though twisted, are based on)Report

    2. It’s pretty obvious that Trump clearly thought the President was a dictator, and is currently very mad this isn’t the case.

      The loving way he sucks up to dictators, praises them, talks about how he wishes America was like that is a big clue. it was also pretty clear way back during the primary that the man believed all the conspiracy theories about Obama’s dictatorial actions, and his whining about the DoJ makes it obvious he believed he should be using it (and the FBI) as his own thugs.

      So this is just another tantrum the President is throwing because he’s not a dictator — although he is highlighting a number of places the American system has relied on “President being sane and interested in public reaction” rather than “laws”.Report

  6. What this should also put to rest, is the idea that there is a legitimate political position by the Trump Administration and its supporters.

    That is, there is no intent here to make America a better place for all, or to pursue the founding principles.

    Instead this is pure blood and soil nationalism, ethnic tribalism run amok.Report

      1. The silver lining is that it is becoming obvious to all but the most oblivious and/or disingenuous that we are past the point of civility. Sure, some people responded to Trump looking at self-professed Nazis and seeing a lot of good people with “well, I don’t personally agree, but that is a valid position to take.” But now these people have to respond to open child abuse the same way. America has a long history of having more sympathy for Nazis that we openly admitted. But child abuse is a tougher sell.

        Also, this may (and certainly should) push those people who imagine themselves to be above the fray into voting Democrat in the fall.Report

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