Sunday!
In the late 80’s, MTV was doing this thing where it played Monty Python’s Flying Circus every night at 7.
For you young’uns, Monty Python was a comedy troupe made up of philosophy students, medievalist students, and the usual “how are you going to sell your labor with that degree?” mix. Absolutely brilliant comedy bits that ran with a handful of brilliant philosophical problems cut in with the whole British emphasis on politeness and the tension created thereby.
For example! The Dirty Hungarian Phrase Book sketch ran with the whole “assumption of truth on the part of one’s translator” dilemma that gets touched on in the first couple of classes in any given Philosophy of Language course. That is, deliberate mistranslation of phrases, e.g., “Can you direct me to the station?” gets translated to “Please fondle my bum.”
The Cheese Shop sketch where a customer spends five minutes attempting to buy cheese from a shopkeeper who has no cheese to sell (a dark mirror of the pre-Python Book Shop sketch where a customer spends five minutes trying to buy books that do not exist). The Dead Parrot sketch where a pet shop owner tries to explain that the parrot the customer purchased is not dead and the customer is explaining that the parrot is, in fact, dead.
If you knew an 11th grader during this period, you had to put up with him quoting this crap as if he were the first person to discover it despite the fact that it came out 20 years prior… which, I suppose, is understandable because the comedy stylings from around that time were such things as Small Wonder, She’s the Sheriff, Gimme a Break, Too Close For Comfort, and other “how in the heck did this get greenlit?” shows. In the midst of this desert, a flower of philosophical comedy that was *SO* good that their sketches became examples used by professors in the aforementioned Philosophy of Language courses.
The biggest problem with this type of sketch, however, is the whole “how do you make it pay off?” thing and a lot of their sketches seem to meander off because, hey, how in the heck do you make something like The Argument Clinic pay off?
Well, one member of this chaotic comedy troupe was Terry Gilliam, who took some of the tricks that he learned with the Pythons and began to apply them to stories that he wanted to tell.
But we’ll get into that next week.
So… what are you reading and/or watching?
(Featured Image is “Edison’s Telephonoscope” by George du Maurier from Punch Almanack for 1879)
I need to write a post about when a series ends, and you are happy about it because you were done with it 2 seasons ago, but you kept watching because they never did anything bad, and you felt like it was a question of loyalty, but man, hurry up all ready. Anyway, Castle got canceled and I owe it to them to see it through but there are twenty (TWENTY!) episodes staring at me on the DVR. I’m looking for any excuse not to watch them but running out of options.Report
My introduction to Monty Python was “The Meaning of Life,” which I first saw in (probably) 8th grade at that friend’s house who’s parents were really lax in monitoring what the kids were doing. I was hooked from the opening song.
I’ve since introduced my boys to Monty Python, with my wife and I cringing because we inexplicably forgot how risqué much of their comedy was.
I regret nothing.Report
We’re gonna try to wait until the critter is 14 or 16 and hope she discovers it on her own. We have Princess Bride scheduled in 2 or 3 years, when she’s 9 or 10, Spaceballs at 13 or so, and I hope she finds The Wall at some point when she’s older. She’s only into Star Wars now, and my wife without my knowledge showed her the the three prequels that do not exist.Report
Reading: I finished City of Mirrors, the last of Justin Cronin’s Passage trilogy. Never have I wanted a book to end less than this one. I actually won an advance copy and debated as to whether I should read it or not. I can’t say enough good things about this series, and suggest you dive in right away.
Watching: Nothing in particular. I did watch a film called Moonwalkers with my son tonight. It got terrible reviews, but actually it was kind of a hoot. The story is about a CIA agent who’s tasked with getting Stanley Kubrick for film a moon landing. Violent in the way of a Simon Pegg film, and Jay Benedict does a great send up of Jack D. Ripper. Really juvenile, but if you go in with low expectations, you’ll be rewarded.
@fortytwo Don’t expect your daughter to appreciated the films you enjoyed at her age. I took my son to see Caddyshack with my brother. We cackled throughout the movie, and my son was mystified that we found it so funny.Report
Don’t know exactly where to post this, but I thought this Alt-Right Anti-Semitism Debate would be catnip for several OTers. What struck me the most was the generally post-modernist nature of the argument. One side is arguing that allowing anti-semitism to fester provides fodder for the opposition. The other side is arguing that angering the opposition is their goal and that one can launch racist attacks without being a racist. Notably, no one is really arguing from a core set of principles about what racism IS and why it’s WRONG; just in terms how it will shape perception.Report
We’re kind of heavily into the whole “no politics, no religion” thing here in Mindless Diversions. Not because those things are bad, mind. They’re freaking awesome. It’s more that we’re hoping to avoid the whole “oh, you’re wearing an orange bandana? As someone who is wearing a purple bandana, allow me to place my thumb in your eye” phenomenon that always freaking happens when we start talking about our bandanas.
So know this: Dude. I love ya. But that belongs in a “daily linky” link rather than over in the Weekend, Saturday, Sunday, or music posts that happen to show up here.
S’cool though. I’ll take it yonder.Report
What ?! That’s political? 🙂 No worries, it’s a fine policy and I didn’t mean to step on it.Report
Political and controversial aren’t quite the same thing. (At least, I hope it’s not controversial.)Report
I’m always reminded of this quote whenever two or three nerds are gathered together and they proceed to recite the Parrot Sketch verbatim:
‘One of the things we tried to do with the show was to try and do something that was so unpredictable that it had no shape and you could never say what the kind of humor was. And I think that the fact that “Pythonesque” is now a word in the Oxford English Dictionary shows the extent to which we failed.’
I’m re-streaming “Only Connect” starting at the beginning. Just like QI, it’s funny how many answers I can come up with just because I saw the episode before some time in the past…
Which brings me back to Python… Back when my posse were doing College Bowl, it was amazing – pretty much every round there was a question that could be answered with knowledge gleaned from a Python sketch. Could be Thomas Hardy. Could be 1970s politics. Could be philosophers. But it seemed that just about always there was a question that poked into the same vein of knowledge that the Pythons did. Because they were absurdists, people underestimate how much of their reference material was quite topical.Report
“topical”
It’s eternally topical.
Despair.
Or, I suppose, delight.Report
I’m re-streaming “Only Connect” starting at the beginning
Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to start at the end?Report
When a show has run for 13 series, it’s definitely vulnerable to Early Installment Weirdness. It’s a lot less jarring to watch the host work out their role and get smoother, the graphics get better, and the writing more sophisticated – than to see the process working in the other direction.Report
Yeah, that one was pretty obscure. The phrase “Only Connect” comes from E.M. Forster’s Howard’s End.Report
I knew the money quote, and knew it was from Forster, but I didn’t flash back to the title.
Which is odd, because jumping between text/title/author and words/music/performer is just the kind of lateral thinking encouraged by a certain quiz show now on BBC Two.Report
Reading Bergson, who I’ve mostly encountered second hand through philosophers and writers who were influenced by him.Report
Also, to be completely honest, tripping on acid for most of the day, which led me to rethink the Odyssey quite a bit.Report
I think that I need to read this post.Report
Bergson
I demand a paternity test!Report
Haha! Given when he lived and died, I would that’s very irresponsible use of a time machine!Report
I spent most of the weekend reading Ada Palmer’s _Too Like the Lightning_, which is my newly favorite book of at least the last two years. As it is set in a middle-future that (among many other things) looks back to the Enlightenment with reverence, I think it would be relevant to many readers here (@jason-kuznicki, I thought of you in particular, though you might be too well-educated yourself in the period to appreciate it as much as I did – but the author is a history professor at the University of Chicago, so the odds are better than usual that you won’t hate it).
@rtod – if you haven’t already put this on your reading list, YOU NEED TO.
I read/watched other stuff, but that was the important one.
PS FLYING CARS, PEOPLE.Report
Captain.
Hamster.
Jezza.
Please come home.
All is forgiven.Report
Another thing for those in my generation:
In 1979 or so, Cheap Trick’s anthemic “Surrender” was about having parents who were around in WWII.
1979 is now closer to WWII than it is to today.
We’re old.Report