Food Liberalism & The Death of the Pancake
It has been brought to my attention recently that the youth of this great nation has been seen slipping further and further into a state of moral decay. At first I chose not to believe such accusations, but on second observance I started to see why the older generation might think such things. Whereas youthful wonderment and curiosity is good for a society as a whole, there indeed can be too much of it: when traditions are so radically challenged that the previous generation can sit idly by no longer. They must fight back with a deep and true ferociousness.
So naturally at this point one may be justified in asking “for what new event or circumstance has warranted this geriatric resistance?” The answer, most surprisingly yet surely understandable, is what I would vaguely describe as a newfound food liberalism. Where one generation has honored traditions, the generation at hand is whimsical, unorthodox, and living in a fantasy world that may be likened to a saloon, gaining the reputation of “anything goes” over the years. But anything does not go. It shan’t go.
Granted I am writing this in the heat of the moment. Here I sit after returning from a breakfast with friends (I do not think we shall be called that in the future for reasons that will soon become clear) hammering away with ink and quill at my frustrations. Of all the things that transpired this fine morning, the debates, the politics, and the general town gossip, none set me off like the spread of food stuffs that was lain before me.
My hosts were a younger, newly intertwined couple. This is not about them per se, but it is about said meal; an assortment of foods. “Did you make any pancakes?” I asked eagerly as a plate of food was put under my nose. “Of course, they’re on your plate,” my generous host replied.
But they weren’t. All that lay on my plate was a couple strips of bacon, some eggs, and disc shaped bread with dots of other foods (or so it looked like) crudely jammed at will into the surface of them. As I pondered the flaw in my host’s thinking that “they were on my plate already,” I wondered if I, for a second, had gone mad. “Are they indeed on my plate?” I shoveled around some foods for a second, lifting the disc shaped monstrosity with my fork to see if the pancakes were hiding underneath. Oh, what a joy it would have been to find pancakes there!
“I’m terribly sorry to ask, but I’m afraid I didn’t receive any pancakes,” I said out loud soon after realizing I had done the requisite pondering and physical searching to render me sane. “Sure you do! Those are pancakes with chocolate chips in them. Some of them have blueberries too!” A lump gathered in my throat and I immediately lost my appetite, for these “discs” were the pancakes.
There’s a place for conservatism in most places and this should be most readily, and most necessarily, applied to breakfast spreads. Nothing was wrong in the great history of breakfast spreads—pancakes, eggs, bacon, ham, biscuits, gravy, etc.—to warrant such a radical change as blueberries being jammed into the pancakes. I say again, no one was complaining. But this generation’s moral apathy is truly shining through: rebellion for the sake of rebellion and change for the sake of boredom seem to be the only thing on the menu. When pressed about “why” these pancakes were so physically assaulted, the answer isn’t because the previous pancakes were bad; indeed, most everyone likes the original pancake. It is likened to that “spicing things up” or the “I don’t know; because!” attitude of youngsters.
Food liberalism is only the beginning. Change for the sake of mere change or boredom is a dangerous game. As the breakfast table before me as my witness, some things are fine, nay great, the way they are, and I will never again be subject to the whimsical morality of this generation’s willy-nilly need to put “stuff” in my pancakes.
But wait, I’ve been getting blueberry pancakes since I was a tiny veronica. This is not new.Report
My grandmother, a woman in her 80’s from small-town eastern North Carolina, served us blueberry pancakes the morning after Thanksgiving every year when I was a kid. Not new at all.Report
Gasp!Report
Seconded, you can have my blueberry pancakes (ideally made with sweet wild Nova Scotian blueberries not their fat bland mildly sour commercial cousins) when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
Also having come to Minneapolis with its Scandinavian and dutch roots I’ve discovered, with joy, the ancient tradition of the pannekoeken which would surely give poor Adrian heart palpitations of a negative variety.Report
PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREE TO CHOOSE THE PANCAKES THEY WANT!
(Or crepes, I suppose, if that’s what they like. Even waffles, maybe, if it proves necessary.)Report
Liege Waffles!
Or, if you’re Amy, you can have all the waffles!
(The gal who tried Every Waffle Joint in NYC…)Report
I’m not against the culinary union of flour and blueberries. I just don’t like people trying to redefine pancakes.Report
You should see what horrors people do with Cornbread!Report
Next you’ll tell me people start making “pancakes” that don’t even have flour.
The world has gone bananas! People are nuts!Report
If they don’t have flour, they’re idli.Report
The devil’s playthings.Report
Problem with waffles is they’re mind melting delicious for about 5 minutes off the griddle then they are just wa-wa-waaah.Report
Versus pancakes, which are warm for all of 5 minutes and 30 seconds before they become wa-wa-waaah…Report
But they have blueberries in them. I’ll eat a blueberry pancake cold.Report
At which point, why not just eat a blueberry muffin?Report
Fair question!Report
Waffles can have blueberries…Report
Madness! Someone go cut me a switch! I’m about to go all Charles Sumner in here!!Report
LMFAO!Report
Uncle Bill’s Pancake House in Manhattan Beach, CA serves a really (!!!) good cheddar&bacon waffle.Report
Confirmed.
I don’t think it’s worth a 90 minute wait, though.Report
Oh that does sound good.Report
You are implying that there is something untoward with waffles? Why? They are pancakes with little butter and syrup pockets! You can even make them with blueberries if you don’t mind the possibility of having to give your waffle iron a good scrub afterward.
Delicious little pockets!Report
*sigh* fine, I’ll go there. Waffles are too much work. I can make pancakes blind hung-over on two hours of sleep while pretending to listen to my mother chatter on the phone and grunting wittily at appropriate intervals. Waffles require more than that.Report
My pancakes require more work than that.
I refuse to own a waffle iron — too dangerous.Report
And they’re unitaskers. Back before he became just a celebrity, Alton Brown had a lot of things to say about unitaskers – and except for fire extinguishers, he rarely saw them positively.
Note: I’m specifically excluding the possibility of a waffle iron where the plates flip over to become a panini press. That’s not a multitasker, it’s just silly because it doesn’t do either job properly.Report
He also probably doesn’t eat the same thing every day. If you eat popcorn every day, buy a popcorn popper.
I don’t eat toast a lot, so I don’t have a toaster (I consider that a unitasker, personally).Report
My waffle iron is (because my wife has a strong Norwegian identity) one that makes the little heart shaped waffles. The best part of those is that they freeze really well, which means when my son has a hankering for pancakes/waffles, and I can’t muster up the will to make fresh ones, I can pull some out of the freezer, nuke ’em for 45 seconds, and give him his fix.Report
Sure and microwaved heart shaped waffles will suffice for a little man like that but a late 30’s hung over homo requires more than a microwaved waffle to get moving in the morning (unlike his husband who’s bouncing around after two slices of bacon and a cup of coffee chattering about wanting to go for a walk*).
*God(ess?) I hate him!**
** God(ess?) I love him!Report
Last time he wanted them, the “little man” tucked away 20 of the damn things, plus strawberries. Kid can eat. If he wasn’t so damn tall and lean, I’d worry about him…Report
Worry about him around 28 when his young metabolism says “Whelp, my work here is done, I’m off to Florida. My colleague Adult Metabolism will be taking it from here. Good luck.” Man oh man I miss the metabolism of a 20 year old. It just went in the mouth and vanished without a trace.Report
No kidding, I had it nice & strong until the motorcycle wreck (when I was 20). The kind of trauma that puts you out like that does a number on that youthful metabolism as well.
Sigh…Report
For me it was 35, but … yeah.Report
My adult metabolism hit in when I achieved voting age. Since I stopped growing at fifteen I guess that my body decided I did not need a kid’s metabolism anymore.Report
Man, I can see it considering you’re a compact model but that’s still dog.Report
Right. Pancakes take 10 minutes to half an hour, tops, depending on how many you want. Waffles take me about two hours. (Granted, that’s my grandma’s waffle recipe that involves separating the eggs, beating the egg whites, and making a special waffle sauce. Once you’ve had it, it’s really the only way to have waffles – but it’s not often worthwhile when you’re making waffles for one person.)Report
real waffles are made with yeast, and are most definitely not just pancakes.Report
Shouldn’t be more like you can have my blueberry pancakes when you rip them out of my stomach in a state or partial digestion?Report
Same here. Same with pancakes with other fruits like bananas and strawberries.Report
Blueberries I get — bananas and strawberries sound like awful things. They’re toppings, not for in the pancake itself.Report
Blueberry pancakes were a cafeteria staple at both of the colleges I attended, back in the 80s.Report
Pancakes! Pancakes!
Dude, your new couple is WAY BEHIND. Crepes are the thing now.
Damn reactionaries!Report
Meh. Have you seen how many recipes there are for spicing up beans?
Ooodles and oodles and oodles of them.
A pot of good fresh plump beans is a treasure that doesn’t need spicing up — just a splash of oil and plenty of salt.
Of course, good luck finding fresh beans up North, they’re a homegrown delicacy.Report
If you go to Maine, blueberries are traditional, which just futher proves that New England is always First in Liberalism.
I’m not too upset over pancakes. Mess with my biscuits and someone is going to get hurt.Report
We all have our off-limits food, eh!Report
That is because Maine, second only to Nova Scotia, is a generally superior source of blueberries.Report
West Virginia has some alpine that makes fine blueberry fields.Report
Pennsylvanian quality blueberries? You’d have better luck convincing me that the gnomes of Zurich consult with you on national matters.Report
I said West Virginia and I meant West Virginia.
You check out the Dolly Sods and tell me they don’t remind you of Nova Scotia.
We also have a fine microclimate near Erie which makes awesome blueberries.Report
@kim @north
Everyone knows huckleberrys are better than blueberries.Report
Found the Val Kilmer fan.Report
@damon Madness! Someone go cut me a switch! I’m about to go all Charles Sumner in here!!Report
Bring it!
*racks the slide*Report
I know no such thing sir.
I disparage not the sour sweetness of a ripe huckleberry. But they are not the same thing as a plump juicy blueberry.Report
A good black raspberry for me.Report
Red mulberries, picked straight off the native tree. My folks had two trees at the back of the property. Too sweet to do much with by themselves, but great mixed with things that might otherwise be too tart. My mom swapped some of them with the woman up the street for cherries. Half mulberries, half cherries, no added sugar — outstanding pies.Report
Hellz yeah, ripe mulberries are the stuff.Report
You, sir, are obviously delusional, misinformed, or a troll.
Good huckleberries, picked from the slopes of mountains such as Rainier, St Helen’s (god bless her), and Adams are unequaled in the berry world, particularly those growing near the openings of lava tubes, which bring in the cold air from the higher slopes.
Ah, the rich purple, nearing black, so ripe you could loose your soul starting into the depths of those luscious berries.Report
This lapsed Catholic – practicing Lutheran cries Fie! on your disgusting blueberries. The only berry that belongs on a pancake is, of course, the lingonberry. Even the Coen brothers know that.
https://youtu.be/w6_PtNRYhy0Report
What kinda biscuits do you like? Light fluffy? flaky?
What’s your recipe?Report
Not biscuits, per se, but a close cousin. My wife’s favorite birthday treat is strawberry shortcake, with the shortcake being sweetened biscuits (instead of the sponge cake they sell in the store), the whip cream made fresh, and the strawberries mixed with rhubarb and cooked down a bit on the stovetop.
Much easier to make than a birthday cake.Report
Ya don’t need to sweeten the biscuits. the filling should be rich/sweet enough.
But strawberry shortcake is an awesome treat.Report
It’s a hint of sweet, like a teaspoon of sugar for a whole batch. The berry mix & whipped cream do most of the sweet (and even the whipped cream is only lightly sweetened, the berries release so much sugar as they cook down…)Report
I prefer pound cake on my strawberry shortcake rather than biscuits, but meh. All the except the rhubarb sounds tasty. Might have to try it.Report
If the rhubarb was raw, I’d be right there with ya. But when cooked down, the tart becomes very sweet.Report
people do eat raw rhubarb, dipped in sugar.
people are crazy.Report
Ergo, my wife is crazy.Report
Oh, you should meet my husband…Report
My wife’s favorite birthday treat is strawberry shortcake, with the shortcake being sweetened biscuits (instead of the sponge cake they sell in the store), the whip cream made fresh, and the strawberries mixed with rhubarb and cooked down a bit on the stovetop.
That sounds great, but it doesn’t technically sound like strawberry shortcake. It sounds like strawberry-rhubarb shortcake.
Also, while it’s fine to cook down some strawberries for strawberry shortcake topping (In fact, you should!), you also need to include some fresh pieces of strawberry on it. OR ELSE.Report
It’s her birthday treat, she can call it whatever she likes.Report
Thesis: I like regular pancakes; that’s it. That was the entire point 🙂Report
That is foodism I can respect!Report
Antithesis 1: We know. We’re teasing.
Antithesis 2: what kind of self-righteous ignorant prig doesn’t know about the long history of fruit in breakfast cakes? Why, back in the early 1700s American housewives were writing about ….. 😉
My waistline mandates that homemade pancakes are very rare, but in addition to blueberries I’ve been known to add a little bit of jalapeño.Report
The only reason blueberries ain’t traditional is that we had sugar. Older recipes than pancakes have raisins as a sweetener (which is why I tend to loathe them in desserts. If you’re using sugar, leave the raisins out)Report
I am laughing pretty hard at these comments, I won’t lie… especially the debates!
I will say, though, my anecdote was pretty objective. Pancakes are being assaulted. Specifically when someone asks for a pancake it is sometimes assumed that something should be in it. That’s my problem. The assumption of liberals. Makes my self-righteousness ignorance fume! 😉Report
Typical conservative, standing in the way of a happy marriage between pancakes and chocolate chips. Claiming its tradition, when it’s clear he’s just being breakfastist.Report
(FTR, that was a joke. In all seriousness, pancakes with chocolate chips are disgusting.)Report
That’s not a pancake, it’s a fecking breakfast cookie!Report
Well yeah, if you advertise a pancake, you produce a simple pancake. If you want to liven it up with additions, you need to make that clear to the diner that you are offering adulterated pancakes.Report
This. Warn people about blueberries or chocolate chips in the pancakes you’re serving, bacon or jalapenos in the cornbread, or candied ginger in the angel food cake. Not that it’s not yummy, but you need to set expectations.Report
Warn me before you put sugar in yer cornbread.Report
By Ceres and Demeter why would you need to sugar your cornbread?
If it doesn’t turn out sweet enough from, you know, the corn, that’s what honey butter is for.Report
Northerners think cornbread should be made like a cake.
I didn’t even know I liked cornbread till I tried it southern style.Report
Are you pro- or contra-jalapeño?Report
Mostly contra, but that’s because cornbread’s supposed to be a side to something kicked up a notch. Making it not be plain is like “sprucing up” bread — it’s something that bored people do.
I like cornbread — so why mess with a good thing? (This is also to say that if it’s subtle, then I won’t mind at all).Report
@kim
@burt-likko
Hoecake > cornbread.Report
I admit of lacking sufficient evidence to render a competent verdict. But I’m willing to do the necessary research!Report
That’s the spirit!
I’ll personally escort you if you can pay my way 🙂Report
Recipe,plz?Report
@adrian-rutt
You didn’t quite know the forces you were invoking when you posted this, did you?Report
Oh my stars!Report
Gadzooks, it turns a sweet into a savory.Report
Loosen your grip on those pearls, dear lady. My lovely wife makes brownies with jalapeños and chipotle. (Chipotle being, of course, smoked jalapeños.) I can barely eat a standard brownie now, because I crave the warmth of the capsaicin admixed with the chocolate.Report
Objection, assuming facts not evidence. Absent a recording, there is no way to know if “oh my stars” was meant in a positive or negative way.Report
Vosges makes a really delicious dark chocolate and chipotle candy bar. Expensive and hard to find, yes. I particularly like how a little goes a long way – I don’t have to eat a whole bar as a square or two does the trick for me.Report
Chocolate chip pancakes are perfectly acceptable fare, if you are under the age of 12.Report
Chocolate chip pancakes are awesome and I’m 31Report
I have friends like that. The calendar says they are in their 30’s, but they are still 12…
😉Report
@oscar-gordon
Would you like to call me 12?
😉Report
There is no way you eat pancakes with chocolate. Dude, isn’t your entire diet lean meat veggies and protein powder?Report
@rtod
Ha! Well, I was running something resembling a Paleo diet for a while, but once I found myself getting more and more into old school bodybuilding workouts, my diet had to change alongside it. Doing hypertrophy workouts in a glycogen-depleted state sucks, even in a caffeinated state.
On training days, my macros are approximately 35% protein, 45% carbs and 20% fat. Most of them I consume between dinner and post workout (I work out at night). My food choices most of the time – small amount of fruit, a small sweet potato and oatmeal, which I have with dinner, pre and post workout meals.
As far as my liking chocolate chip pancakes, my son likes them so I make them, and if he has any leftover, I’m not shy about taking a small bite or two. I don’t eat them as a regular meal.
That said, don’t think I haven’t thought about substituting one of my oatmeal meals for some uncooked pancake batter. I don’t think it would be as filling and I don’t care for the added sugars.
@oscar-gordon
I’ll not be intimidated by your musculature! You are obviously 12!
To be fair, considering that I’m 5’5″, I have to admit that there are 12 year olds taller than I am. I can’t say I like it either!!!Report
Doing any workout in a glycogen depleted state sucks…dude.
Try working out with someone with liver failure…Report
Low intensity steady state cardio is manageable. It may be one of the few things that can be done reasonably well in that state without hitting a wall.
I experimented with a protein sparing modified fast last year, and other than low volume maintenance lifting, walking on a stairmaster or inclined treadmill walking was one of the few things that didn’t make me feel like crap and burned a fair amount of calories.
Disclaimer: I don’t recommend anyone try what I tried.Report
I’ll not be intimidated by your musculature! You are obviously 12!
(Besides, you are the way the hell over in New Jersey…)Report
You ain’t fooling no one. The only carbs you consume are in your liquor.Report
@north
Perhaps I should go look up the carb content in bourbon.Report
Pancakes are prepared using the “muffin method”.
Chocolate chip muffins are delicious.
Therefore, chocolate chips are fine in pancakes.Report
EVERYONE BOW DOWN TO MY FIAT.
French Toast Panettone.
It rocks. Plain and simple. (mixing a little almond extract with the egg wash makes it ever more rockin’.)Report
If you’re insisting on respect for a car company whose name is an acronym for Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation ..
I want respect for my Fix Or Repair Daily Mustang (convertible, of course. I live in LA County).Report
Fiats are crap. No I should have use declaration or command 🙂Report
I am OK with blueberries, but I am willing to forge a coalition with the anti-blueberry ranks if they will join me in my efforts to stamp out the scourge of beets from our society.Report
Have you ever had spring beets, smaller than your pinkie, and with beet greens?
If not, you need to try ’em.Report
Lettuce doesn’t survive well in my area, so I use fresh beet leaf as lettuce on sandwiches.Report
*blink* lettuce doesn’t survive well? Where the Hel are you?
Have you tried “spring mix”? (that’s chard and rocket and a couple of other good greens, not actual lettuce at all)Report
Beets are fine so long as you cook them and mix them with other things so that you can’t tell that they’re in thereReport
The best way to cook beets: Boil pasta, and then drain off the water into a pot. Cook the beets in the used water. Throw the water and beets away, eat the pasta.
Another recipe: Take the beet juice and use it to draw on the boxes of microwave dinners. Then take the dinners out of the box, microwave them according to instructions, and eat them.
An old folk recipe, requires some good aim: Take some uncooked beets and a sling into the woods. Use the beets to hunt a wild turkey. Eat the turkey.Report
Beets are awesome. Roast them up until they are soft, peel the skin off, eat them plain. Red, candy striped, or gold, don’t care, love them all.
Also good pickled, or in a salad with gorgonzola.Report
I’m on your side of this budding civil war. Fortunately beet juice makes a great uniform dye.Report
Mother Russia will support us in order to defend borscht.Report
True that.
Rally the Purple & Gold!Report
always purple for me.Report
An agent provocateur enters our ranks, trying to split the unified pro-beet alliance!
We must adhere to a strict all-of-the-above policy when it comes to supporting beets! Roast, baby, roast!Report
Blargle. I’d rather eat a yellow beet than a roasted beet.Report
I am OK with blueberries, but I am willing to forge a coalition with the anti-blueberry ranks if they will join me in my efforts to stamp out the scourge of beets from our society.
This.
I keep telling people, when I see them purchasing beets, that their heart is in the right place of getting that off the store shelves so others will not accidentally think it is food and serve it to people, but that is simply not how the market works. If people would simply *stop buying* beets, that poison would eventually be removed from store shelves. (Well, or the FDA will eventually get off their asses and sue the beet producers for the various lies they tell the public, such as beets being ‘edible’.)
And a lot of the time, when people buy beets to dispose of, the beets accidentally end up in the pantries anyway, where they can be accidentally given to people as if they are food. I help by throwing them them out whenever I see them, but there is only so much I can do.Report
Gonna sneak some into that chocolate cake I’m making for you…Report
Since you live in Washingon state, in going to cross my fingers and hope it’s something other than beets.Report
Well, the pot will help to make sure he doesn’t notice the beets…Report
The entire Polish nation will mobilize against your Anti-Beet Alliance.Report
Though I am indiferent to pancakes, I shall pledge my shield to your anti beet coalition. They may plant their 13 thesis’, but we know it for the fairy tale it is.Report
I suppose I can put my pancake radicalism aside and get on board with this.
I was at the gym the other day, and my friend was drinking a Beet-infused pre-workout. It’s natural so it’s cool. It’s what cavemen drank before they would fist-fight woolly mammoths.Report
@adrian-rutt
I was at the gym the other day, and my friend was drinking a Beet-infused pre-workout.
In other words, your friend killed his/her gains before he/she even started.Report
Indeed, that is what I told him.
Just had to make sure we were talking about the same kinds of gains…as opposed to GAINZ!Report
@adrian-rutt
Just had to make sure we were talking about the same kinds of gains…as opposed to GAINZ!
No Gainz! I want to see those people on YouTube in gym fail videos. They deserve it.
Beet infused…better take an aromatase inhibitor with that. 😉Report
When I first read this I completely missed the word “fight.” And i thought, “well that’s a pretty freaky thing to do with a wooly mammoth, but to each his own I guess.”Report
Mammoth fisting? Okay! Blueberry pancakes? MORAL DECAY!
Think that’ll fit on a bumper sticker?Report
Have you no respect for the rights of woolly mammoths? What a disgrace.Report
Those were some long, lonely nights in the shadow of the glacier.Report
As I’ve written before, pancakes suck. But the very sucky IHOP chain has been selling a variety of pancakes for at least two decades.
More importantly, food experimentation is a wonderful thing and should be embraced. It will undoubtedly yield failed outcomes, but the process is the only reason we aren’t still eating rocks (fact… look it up).Report
I’ll just leave this here: https://ordinary-times.com/2014/11/21/food-fight/Report
Just so ya know, Jan 28 is National Blueberry Day.
Blueberries resisted domestication. The first commercially grown blueberries were sold in NJ in 1916, exactly 100 years ago!!!!! and “blueberry fever” swept the region. I’m guessing people in the NE were putting blueberries in pretty much everything, pretty much right away.
So does 100 years represent a recent challenge to tradition, or tradition itself. Perhaps that’s how we should define liberalism/conservatism.Report
This whole post is misguided. And UnAmerican. The pan cake – so-called in honor of the long-honored Greek god of blueberries and chocolate chips, much loved by real Americans – has been associated with flighty experimentation in US artesinal food stuffs throughout history. Lincoln’s wife Mary was famous for purchasing expensive Illinoisian berries (expensive because they were illegally imported from the South) for inclusion in Abe’s cakes during meetings with foreign dignitaries, including those from faraway places like the Confederacy. Jefferson’s notes reveal a cotton-based pan cake recipe which included fibers from naturally grown non-GMO “hemp” sprinkled with hand-picked mushrooms fried in butter. The historical record mentions this dish being served only once at an official function tho TJ’s head chef claims the meal was served daily as a form of both mental and physical sustenance. Andrew Carnegie is purported to have created an iron-ore-based pan cake served with yogurt and strawberries which John Rockefeller purchased for $432 million dollars. The list goes on and on.Report
A great deal of this discussion reminds me (pleasantly) of Rex Stout’s Too Many Cooks and Nero Wolfe’s lecture “Contributions Américaines à la Haute Cuisine”, asserting the subtle superiority of American poultry that has been regularly fed fresh blueberries over anything available in Europe.Report
I don’t really know what this post is about it, but it should most definitely be called “Food Progressivism…”Report
A relation of mine who’s on a paleo diet makes “pancakes” out of eggs and banana.
They’re edible, but they are not pancakes.Report
Great writing style and tone, very enticing!
I think you are right, society is changing. Everyone should have popcorn for breakfast, for goodness sake! Or, something of the sort.
Ha, jokes.
Keep up the great work, you are truly a great writer,
NatashaReport